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02 Feb 12 - 02:57 PM (#3301030) Subject: BS: I broke one of my nuts From: GUEST,olddude Lug nut on my tire wheel ... dang rusty thing. Now what |
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02 Feb 12 - 03:04 PM (#3301039) Subject: RE: BS: I broke one of my nuts From: gnu New nut... did ya get yer nuts off? |
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02 Feb 12 - 03:16 PM (#3301048) Subject: RE: BS: I broke one of my nuts From: John MacKenzie Well they're usually only pressed into the wheel flange. You need to knock the old one through, and fit a replacement. The new one can be just tapped in, and then drawn in tight using the wheel wrench. Don't lubricate the new one, they need to be a tight/interference fit. A 3 Lb Hammer and a punch should get the old one sorted out. |
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02 Feb 12 - 03:17 PM (#3301051) Subject: RE: BS: I broke one of my nuts From: John MacKenzie I'm assuming it's got disc brakes, cos if it's drums, then you need to take that off, and do the same thing. |
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02 Feb 12 - 03:41 PM (#3301064) Subject: RE: BS: I broke one of my nuts From: gnu Hmmmm... he broke his nut. That's the little thingy that goes on the the thingy that sticks out, right? So, if he heats the nut and torques it off with a binding wrench and the stud threads are not damaged... ? Sorry if I seem mechanically declined. |
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02 Feb 12 - 04:04 PM (#3301085) Subject: RE: BS: I broke one of my nuts From: GUEST,olddude Thank you !! |
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02 Feb 12 - 04:11 PM (#3301092) Subject: RE: BS: I broke one of my nuts From: gnu Iffin ya ain't got a torch, make sure yer nuts are tight, ceptin fer the broken one and get thee to a torch. A course, why any grown man wouldn't have a propane torch is beyond me. I still have the one I bought over 30 years ago fer doin hot knives. Don't do any hot kinves before ya fix yer nut. |
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02 Feb 12 - 04:56 PM (#3301138) Subject: RE: BS: I broke one of my nuts From: Richard Bridge If it has drum brakes on that axle, you need to remove the drum. Depending on whether the brake shoes are behaving this can be fun (or not). If the drums have become lipped you may get away with slackening the drum brake adjusters to create enough clearance to get the lipped drum over the shoes. If not then brute force and ignorance will often work but there is likely to be collateral damage. The worst case scenario is to have to shatter the cast drum. Wear eye protection. If it has discs, most discs are held onto a hub by a small set-screw or two and the lugs (or studs as we call them in the UK) pass through flanges on the hubs, then the discs, then the wheels and then the wheelnuts hold the lot together. To get the studs out to replace the broken one involves removing the hub - and that will depend on the sort of wheelbearing. Some are held together by a castellated nut that sets the bearing clearance. With luck the bearing runs in a cage and does not fall to pieces when you undo the nut (after removing the split pin through the castellations). Some have use-once nuts and you bend the nut end to secure the bearing. Some have non-dismantleable bearings that are pressed into the hub or pressed onto the axle. Whatever you've got I've never seen one that does not involve removing the hub and therefore the bearing. For the last type you will need at least a bearing puller to remove and probably a hydraulic press to reassemble. |
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02 Feb 12 - 05:04 PM (#3301145) Subject: RE: BS: I broke one of my nuts From: Rapparee My wife and I had that happen once, while driving 65 mph down the Interstate. Whole wheel and tire sort of angled over. A trucker stopped, used a large hammer to fix it as best he could, and we got a new wheel and drum from a car dealer at the next exit. It was a pretty exciting ride..... |
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02 Feb 12 - 05:51 PM (#3301167) Subject: RE: BS: I broke one of my nuts From: Bobert A very learned professor had just had new tires put on his car and was on his way to work when one wheel having probably not had the nuts tightened fell off the car, rolled into a ditch right in front of the state mental hospital... The professor got out of his car, retrieved the the wheel rolled it back to car and was standing there with a most puzzled look on his face trying to figure out how he was going to get to work without any lug nuts to hold the wheel on... Then he heard a voice from inside the tall hospital chain link fence ask, "Do you need any help, Sir?" "Well, yes I do but unless you have some lug extra lug nuts then there's really nothing much you can do", responded the professor... "That's not entirely correct, Sir" said the mental patient"... "Okay, I give" remarked the professor... "Well, Sir... Each of your other wheel has 5 lug nuts, right... Take one off each wheel and use those three to get you to town"... Well, ya'll, there times when ever the most learned professor learns a new trick and the learned professor should have just said thanks but, no... He had to say, "Thank you, but aren't you in there because you are mentally ill" to which patient without missing a beat shot back... ..."I might be nuts buy I ain't eat up stupid!!!" Nevermind... Just tap the sumabich out and stick another one in, Ol'ster... B~ |
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02 Feb 12 - 07:24 PM (#3301226) Subject: RE: BS: I broke one of my nuts From: Bert Vinegar and brown paper. |
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02 Feb 12 - 07:36 PM (#3301236) Subject: RE: BS: I broke one of my nuts From: Stilly River Sage Thank goodness - I thought this might be an attack on Liz's tits. SRS |
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02 Feb 12 - 10:19 PM (#3301272) Subject: RE: BS: I broke one of my nuts From: Bee-dubya-ell For many years, Chrysler used lug nuts with right-hand thread on one side of their vehicles, but left-hand thread on the other. Almost veryone who owned one of the damned things snapped a lug nut off on the side with left-hand thread due to turning it the wrong way while trying to take a wheel off. |
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02 Feb 12 - 11:36 PM (#3301290) Subject: RE: BS: I broke one of my nuts From: JohnInKansas Actually, B-dub, it was Henry Ford what originally used left handed & right handed wheel nuts, if my history books were right. That was 'cause the "power wrenches" all ran off of a single overhead shaft, with a belt hangin' down so if the wrench pointed one way it spun clockwise but when it pointed the other way on the other side of the line it spun counterclockwise. Some of the aircraft factories here had similar "torque wrench" power shaft setups in the late '30s or so, but they got rid of all the overhead shaft drives when all the able bodied bodies left and stuff had to be done with "less skilled(?)" workers. (They only lost a few arms wrapped up in the belts before they figured it out.) And yes, I too have busted a lug on a "not all that old" Dodge junker when I got on the wrong side of it. Of course it had drums, and the bearings needed some fresh grease anyway, so the replacement wasn't all that hard, although the argument at the parts shop that tried to sell me a wrong-way threaded replacement did get a little ... ... (tense?). (They didn't much care for a 15 y.o. smart-ass kid have'n to 'splain things to 'em?) John |
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03 Feb 12 - 02:08 AM (#3301315) Subject: RE: BS: I broke one of my nuts From: Gurney Well, OD, if you take advice from Bobert's lunatic story at 05:51, just remember it is a get-you-home fix! I lost a wheel/lug nut, kicked down a storm drain (clumsy bugger) just before I set off for home for the Christmas holiday, 230 miles. OK, a Mini is a lightweight car and the front wheels do everything, so I went with three (of four) nuts on one rear wheel. The problem was, I couldn't get a nut over the break, but it was working, wasn't it? However, after 500 miles -I had to get back, of course,- I needed a new wheel because the holes were shot. Well, three of them, anyway. ;-) |
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03 Feb 12 - 03:00 PM (#3301611) Subject: RE: BS: I broke one of my nuts From: gnu I am still kinda in the dark here. Dan busted a nut... not a stud... not a bolt that is attached to the wheel... right????? So, why not just heat it up and take it off with a binding wrench... a pipe wrench... Now, if it's just rust on the stud, Liquid Wrench might work rather than heat. Am I missin somethin here? |
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03 Feb 12 - 03:07 PM (#3301619) Subject: RE: BS: I broke one of my nuts From: GUEST,olddude broke both gnu ... fixed now and yup heating and pounding and a set of good vice grips does the trick |
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03 Feb 12 - 03:23 PM (#3301625) Subject: RE: BS: I broke one of my nuts From: GUEST,999 That reminds me of a good joke. |
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03 Feb 12 - 03:31 PM (#3301632) Subject: RE: BS: I broke one of my nuts From: frogprince My aquaintance with left hand lug nuts was limited to at least one farm wagon built on a prehistoric car frame and axles. Which side of the car had left hand studs and nuts? I was told that the lefty- tighty thing was based on the idea that the nuts on one side would tend to loosen with motion and vibration if they were all the same. |
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03 Feb 12 - 03:34 PM (#3301635) Subject: RE: BS: I broke one of my nuts From: frogprince The busted-nut part is bad enough, but if your stud is all skinned off and peeled too, that gets truly miserable. |
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03 Feb 12 - 03:34 PM (#3301636) Subject: RE: BS: I broke one of my nuts From: John MacKenzie Correct Dean, it still persisted into the 80's and beyond, some semi trailers had this feature until recently. |
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03 Feb 12 - 03:54 PM (#3301645) Subject: RE: BS: I broke one of my nuts From: gnu Aha! Ya broke em both!! So, folks round the Cafe are not psychotic, just psychic. Wish I'da known. I coulda asked a buncha questions. Too late now. >;-) |
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03 Feb 12 - 04:23 PM (#3301664) Subject: RE: BS: I broke one of my nuts From: GUEST,999 Paul Mills' car in 1980. Had to change a tire while he went off to find something or other in a store, likely a phone because we were late for a session (I think). Anyway, I reefed on that somunabitch for ten minutes. The tire wasn't change when Paul got back. He asked what the problem was. I told him. He picked up the tire iron and reefed once and the nut loosened. He reefed to the right. I remarked that anyone could do it the easy way. I think it was a Dodge. |
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03 Feb 12 - 04:34 PM (#3301670) Subject: RE: BS: I broke one of my nuts From: gnu Say... are we all on the same page these days? Lefty... loosey... righty... tighty? Or are there countries where it's vicey-versey? I used to know that some quip was opposite but I haven't done any mechanical work in a long time... just around household stuff. And, as far as working on my truck, well, my only reliable tool these days is a small plastic card. Wish I had my 1984 F150 straight six manual tranny back. You could work on the engine on a rainy day and not get wet. Just get in and close the hood. My new truck? Can't even get a small plastic card under the hood. |
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03 Feb 12 - 05:47 PM (#3301717) Subject: RE: BS: I broke one of my nuts From: Jeri It's usually lefty-loosey, rightie-tightie in most countries EXCEPT when the bolt/nut is on something subjected to torque in the loosening direction. If you can't see the threads or read the manual (like, who does THAT!?) you just try both ways and hope you don't damage your nut and you have to superglue your whatsit back on. |
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03 Feb 12 - 07:18 PM (#3301766) Subject: RE: BS: I broke one of my nuts From: JohnInKansas "Broken" nuts are generally pretty rare, at least in auto or aircraft maintenance, but sloppy use of ill-fitting wrenches (spanners for UK people, I guess) can easily take the points off, making it nearly impossible to turn the nut. It's also fairly common to find nuts rusted onto the bolt/stud so tight that you may break the bolt if you put enough torque on to do anything. The well-equipped mechanic generally keeps a "nut-cracker" that can be slipped over the nut, and when you turn the screw on the side of the cracker it drives a wedge into the side of the nut until it separates enough to be loose on the bolt, or in really tough cases, cut the nut on two sides so a goodly piece falls out. Lug nuts are usually wider than others, so an oversize nut-cracker might be a good investment for anyone working in a wheel shop. The standard size is generally all you'd need for working suspension parts, where frozen nuts are probably most likely (since they're exposed to all the road slush there). Most shade-tree mechanics can get by with "knowing someone who has one," since there really are few occasions when you really need one, although they're not particularly expensive. As to the right-handed vs left-handed threads, I think there's a rude song or two, and a couple of limericks, on the subject, but since we're below the line I won't bother to try to quote one here. John |
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03 Feb 12 - 08:48 PM (#3301797) Subject: RE: BS: I broke one of my nuts From: Gurney Most knock-off wheels, wire wheels/spoke wheels like you had on your E-Type, are handed. The language changes. In this case, knock-off means one large nut with two or three big ears. You remove them with a soft-face hammer. My Dad, an army driver, could remove a frozen nut with a sharp cold-chisel, with one blow, providing the nut was on solid components. You put the chisel on the centre of a flat, directed to 'just miss' the thread, and wallop! An ex-nut, shaped like a number 6. "Don't torment it, lad, hit the bloody thing!" He also taught me to free a taper with the two-hammers trick. |
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04 Feb 12 - 02:46 PM (#3302190) Subject: RE: BS: I broke one of my nuts From: gnu I put Liquid Wrench on the wheel studs every fall (salt on the roads here) in early evening and then grease in the morn. When I used to hunt, I used to stow a 4' piece of 2" OD pipe. When yer 3 miles in back of beyond, ya carry a lotta "odd" tools. |
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04 Feb 12 - 03:33 PM (#3302212) Subject: RE: BS: I broke one of my nuts From: JohnInKansas A well-known "classic" case of the difficult nut was the single nut holding the rear wheel on the classic Beetle. The installation torque specification was, if I recall, something "North of 250 ft-lb" and as an additional complication the nut was precisely 1/16" larger than the biggest socket standard in a US 3/4" drive socket set. Naturally, when the wheel had been in place for a while it "got a little tighter." The usual procedure, if you had the special oversize socket (that you "special ordered" for about the price of the rest of the set), was to use about a 6 to 8 foot cheater pipe on the wrench. Most people just got a 24" or larger Crescent wrench, jacked up the wheel, fitted the wrench onto the nut and blocked it against something solid, and then just fired up and dropped the clutch to get one off. (Sometimes it took several tries, even if you were carefull to have it in the right gear to turn the right direction.) Lots of wrenches got bent, either way, and with the "field method" lots of wrenches made some pretty spectacular flights. John |
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04 Feb 12 - 04:36 PM (#3302244) Subject: RE: BS: I broke one of my nuts From: gnu Minds me... I was way back and some buddies needed to get somethin done. I hauled out a 2' pipe wrench and a 2' crescent wrench and a 4' pipe. They looked at each other and then asked... WTF? I said, "I drive a Ford. If you woulda bought a Ford insteada that piece a shit overpriced GMC that has you sitting "like a rock" in the backwoods, you could afford some tools." Okay, okay, I lied... they needed to get a trailer hitch ball off and I embellished a tad. I actually just said, "I drive a Ford." and they took to laughing. Either story works for me. |
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04 Feb 12 - 06:36 PM (#3302292) Subject: RE: BS: I broke one of my nuts From: frogprince A college roommate wrote this about 1969: For four score and seven years, I rubbed my balls and scratched my nuts; only to find out, as I lay dying, that I could have bounced my balls and cracked my nuts. |
