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16 Mar 12 - 05:23 AM (#3323500) Subject: BS: An end to pink slime in US schools From: GUEST I rarely had school meals but, when I did, I disliked them intensely. This would probably have made me throw up - but did it taste as bad as it looks? 'Pink slime' |
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16 Mar 12 - 05:46 AM (#3323513) Subject: RE: BS: An end to pink slime in US schools From: GUEST,CS I only caught a few of Jamie's latest campaigning progs, but it stood out like a very standy outy obvious thing that the US govt dept which makes legislation on food is completely in the pockets of big food production companies. Children in US get Pizza as a vegetable in school meals, because the US govt. has pronounced in a somewhat God-like fashion that "Pizza is a vegetable." Now I know we've all seen those pictures of carrots with willies (funny looking vegetables ), but Pizza has to be quite the funniest looking vegetables I've ever seen. |
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16 Mar 12 - 06:03 AM (#3323520) Subject: RE: BS: An end to pink slime in US schools From: saulgoldie I'll have his Spam; I *love* Spam! Saul |
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16 Mar 12 - 07:24 AM (#3323554) Subject: RE: BS: An end to pink slime in US schools From: JohnInKansas Once you know what it is and how it's used, it would be hard for anyone who eats sausages or (most) hot dogs to object all that much. Taken alone, the processed product bears a pretty close similarity to most canned cat/dog food, some of which is arguably a "more healthy" diet than many humans consume. As to pizza being a vegetable, the USDA says only that the vegetables in/on a pizza (they must mean the olives???) can be counted as part of the "vegetable quota" each meal should contain. That pizza is a vegetable misstates what the feds said. The effective standards only specify a "balanced total nutritional content" for each complete meal served (or at least made available) for each person, and the individual components that make it up are pretty vaguely defined and subject to interpretation by the cook. John |
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16 Mar 12 - 08:34 AM (#3323571) Subject: RE: BS: An end to pink slime in US schools From: saulgoldie All of which makes being a vegetarian that much more, um, palatable. Saul |
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16 Mar 12 - 09:21 AM (#3323604) Subject: RE: BS: An end to pink slime in US schools From: Charmion Especially if one is a vegetarian who can cook. Those who can't or won't cook put themselves completely at the mercy of Big Food. |
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16 Mar 12 - 09:22 AM (#3323606) Subject: RE: BS: An end to pink slime in US schools From: Will Fly I hadn't realised that, when I posted this, my cookie had also thrown up - apologies. As far as it resembling cheap sausage meat - which it does - I don't buy brand product sausages, only ones made by local butcher (UK Champion of Champions Sausage Maker for several years). And I rarely eat sausages or hot dogs; I make my own hamburgers... |
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16 Mar 12 - 01:20 PM (#3323736) Subject: RE: BS: An end to pink slime in US schools From: Bill D When I was in grades 7-12, 55 or so years ago, the food was 'real'... not always to MY taste, but always recognizable. I ate in school cafeterias regularly, and we never had anything comparable to 'pink slime' |
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16 Mar 12 - 01:30 PM (#3323739) Subject: RE: BS: An end to pink slime in US schools From: GUEST,leeneia Kids in the this country are going hungry. Some of them are starving, and when somebody finds a way to get them protein, all you can do is sneer. It's just beef rescued from fatty cuts. It's not slimy. Get over it. |
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16 Mar 12 - 01:52 PM (#3323754) Subject: RE: BS: An end to pink slime in US schools From: Q (Frank Staplin) leeneia, a sane voice. We always had disgusting names for things we didn't particluarly like, in school or in the army. I remember shit on a shingle among others (a cheese preparation on toast, or ham relative in cream sauce). |
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16 Mar 12 - 03:51 PM (#3323813) Subject: RE: BS: An end to pink slime in US schools From: Will Fly I have no idea what nutritional value is in the reconstituted meat. My original question was: "did it taste as bad as it looks?" The post headline was the Guardian's phrase - not mine. It looks unpalatable - I didn't say it was unpalatable. Hence my question. |
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16 Mar 12 - 04:32 PM (#3323826) Subject: RE: BS: An end to pink slime in US schools From: Q (Frank Staplin) The product is the lean portion of the meat in the leftover material from cuts. High in fat, the fat is removed by centrifugation, as noted in the linked article. Yes, it looks unpalatable, but when cooked, no worse than hamburger and probably better than what is in most weiners, hot dogs, bangers, bratwurst, etc. It does have the protein content, and is edible, falling within the budget of cash-strapped schools, but those of us who can afford better meats sneer at it. Leeneia's assessment stands. |
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16 Mar 12 - 05:01 PM (#3323838) Subject: RE: BS: An end to pink slime in US schools From: SINSULL I agree. Revolting when presented as pink slime but palatable as a lean beef protein. Have you ever seen what chicken nuggets are made from? Kids love them. I remember an acquaintance years ago who was apolplectic over the use of whey protein in foods. She insisted that it had always been a waste product of food production and finding a use for it was wrong because it meant the food producers were making money off garbage. According to the experts 5% of American childern go to bed hungry. Whey protin sounds good to me. |
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16 Mar 12 - 05:46 PM (#3323859) Subject: RE: BS: An end to pink slime in US schools From: McGrath of Harlow I suspect our cat would turn up his nose at this, unless he was starving. |
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16 Mar 12 - 06:08 PM (#3323867) Subject: RE: BS: An end to pink slime in US schools From: Penny S. It's the ammonia that bothers me. That does not belong in contact with a foodstuff. Whey protein was used to fatten pigs in the past. I have no problem with it being used to fatten children. But wait a minute. There are children hungry because their parents cannot afford to feed them more acceptable forms of protein, so it's OK to feed them what has been used as animal feed in the past? It strikes me there is something profoundly wrong with that logic. Penny |
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17 Mar 12 - 09:20 AM (#3324089) Subject: RE: BS: An end to pink slime in US schools From: YorkshireYankee One of the comments below the article mentions an important fact which was not covered in the article itself: "The article hasn't really done the story true justice. This meat isn't being replaced simply because it is the rubbish cuts from the cow. The true reason there has been so much campaigning against this product is the way it is treated. The meat is basically 'bleached', using a chemical that is illegal in food production. But since it provides cheap meals for schools - the govt overlooks it." |
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17 Mar 12 - 09:28 AM (#3324091) Subject: RE: BS: An end to pink slime in US schools From: GUEST,kendall Who likes eggs? :-) Ever think about where they come from? Jacqui and I almost never eat any fast food. It's an oxymoron anyway. We had excellent meals at DiMillo's on Thursday, but for that price, we could eat 6 meals at home, and we would know who handled the food! |
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17 Mar 12 - 09:38 AM (#3324096) Subject: RE: BS: An end to pink slime in US schools From: saulgoldie Yup. Vegetarianism looking better and better. At the least, organic and humanely produced animal products. Saul |
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17 Mar 12 - 10:57 AM (#3324131) Subject: RE: BS: An end to pink slime in US schools From: JohnInKansas so it's OK to feed them what has been used as animal feed in the past? If you've ever been around any small farm that raised either chickens or hogs, you'd know that everything has been used as animal feed. ... ... (Except tomatoes, the one thing that hogs won't eat.) Actually, whey protein is the principal ingredient in "protein drinks" that are one of the very popular "diet foods" recommended by weight loss clinics for their more affluent patrons. Poor people can't afford the clinics, and certainly couldn't even consider paying the outrageous prices demanded for some of the "special diets" they push, but they're very popular with the (fat?) moneyed crowd, and are considered "desirable supplements" for the body builders down at the gym. John |
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17 Mar 12 - 10:59 AM (#3324132) Subject: RE: BS: An end to pink slime in US schools From: JohnInKansas Incidentally, reports say that the ammonia is not used to "bleach" the meat. It's used to make sure any bacteria are killed, in exactly the same way that it's used in many public water supplies. John |
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17 Mar 12 - 01:40 PM (#3324203) Subject: RE: BS: An end to pink slime in US schools From: Q (Frank Staplin) When I was in high school (c. 1940), ammonia cokes were popular at our local soda fountains. A few drops of ammonia were added to the Coca-Cola. Wonder where those "bleach" stories come from. Diehard vegans? |
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17 Mar 12 - 05:35 PM (#3324301) Subject: RE: BS: An end to pink slime in US schools From: SINSULL Ammonium hydroxide is used leagally and extensively in food production: http://www.foodinsight.org/Resources/Print.aspx?topic=Questions_and_Answers_about_Ammonium_Hydroxide_Use_in_Food_Production |
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18 Mar 12 - 12:01 PM (#3324579) Subject: RE: BS: An end to pink slime in US schools From: YorkshireYankee A very informative link, Sinsull. Well done. |
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18 Mar 12 - 12:16 PM (#3324588) Subject: RE: BS: An end to pink slime in US schools From: GUEST,olddude Hey CS Naw here in America with all the chemical we use on everything they figured out a way to grow pizza plants .. yup .. no need to go out in the wild and pick your own pizza anymore, ya can grow it in your own back porch pot .. :-) We are all nuts here in the States |
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18 Mar 12 - 12:45 PM (#3324610) Subject: RE: BS: An end to pink slime in US schools From: Penny S. Seen pig food and hen food prepared back in the days when it was permissible to boil up the leftovers from school dinners etc for the pigs. As in: Say what you will, school dinners make you ill, And Davy Crockett died of shepherd's pie, All school din-dins comes from pig bins, Why, O why? I remember the pigman coming to take the bin away. And I've really got nothing against whey, it's in lots of stuff. But I still feel an attitude to the poor that holds that food no-one else wants is good enough for their children is not a healthy one. See Johnson on oats, though. Penny |
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18 Mar 12 - 12:49 PM (#3324612) Subject: RE: BS: An end to pink slime in US schools From: Penny S. And interesting on ammonia, thanks for the link. Used to sniff it in the school lab while waiting for the teacher. (Eek, H&S would go mad.) Penny |
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18 Mar 12 - 12:57 PM (#3324619) Subject: RE: BS: An end to pink slime in US schools From: Jack the Sailor I've been listening to this story go through the usual cycle of hysteria on NPR, from "Don't eat the Pink Slime!" to just Jamie Oliver and a few others call it that. To an explanation of what it actually is (about the same as hot dogs and sausages. To the announcement by the government that it will be OPTIONAL for school lunch programs. To the end of the cycle of hysteria and going on to the next chicken little news story. I notice a very similar cycle has been followed in this thread. It is a small wonder that as a society that we are having more and more difficulty making rational decisions. Look at how we process information. |
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18 Mar 12 - 01:02 PM (#3324622) Subject: RE: BS: An end to pink slime in US schools From: GUEST,CS "yup .. no need to go out in the wild and pick your own pizza anymore, ya can grow it in your own back porch pot .. :-) We are all nuts here in the States" Excellent, you can't stop progress Oldude! Mind you, though I say that, in the UK some poorer people are regressing from buying ready-made meals in the supermarket chiller to actually growing there own vegetables in allotments! Sad but true. We hush it up over hear (after all it's supposed to be a first world country, just think of the shame) but I swear my neighbour had mud under his fingernails last time we spoke! As for Pizza plants, do you think you could discretely end me some seeds, preferably in a brown envelope? |
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18 Mar 12 - 01:11 PM (#3324629) Subject: RE: BS: An end to pink slime in US schools From: olddude At first I thought you were talking about .. ahhhh, ahem .. have to force myself to say it ... that dreaded Jell-O word ... although that is probably better than the stuff I saw at the school when my kids were there |
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18 Mar 12 - 04:03 PM (#3324747) Subject: RE: BS: An end to pink slime in US schools From: Q (Frank Staplin) Orange, lemon and slime. Anecdotally attributed to a Jack Benny program. |
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18 Mar 12 - 11:04 PM (#3324913) Subject: RE: BS: An end to pink slime in US schools From: GUEST,leeneia In the 1960's, when I was in high school, our English book briefly covered how to recognize propaganda. One thing to look for is negative images that arouse the process of association. For example, "My opponent was born in a decaying shack!" "Pink slime" sounds like much the same thing. We could carry the idea further. Let's get rid of: green sludge (pea soup) orange blobs (mararoni and cheese) dirt fruit (potatoes) ======== Sometimes I wonder if today's columnists even went to high school. |
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19 Mar 12 - 06:46 AM (#3325022) Subject: RE: BS: An end to pink slime in US schools From: Penny S. Dry fly pie. Currants, coconut and possibly golden syrup in a pastry case. Face cream. Pale pink blancmange with possible strawberry flavour. Oh, and once, at a university which shall remain nameless, meat with unreadable purple print on it. The purple colour was usually used to mark meat unfit for human use. (Also used for methylated spirit, & poisonous indelible pencils.) Penny |
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19 Mar 12 - 10:15 AM (#3325154) Subject: RE: BS: An end to pink slime in US schools From: GUEST,leeneia Excellent suggestions, Penny! |
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19 Mar 12 - 07:35 PM (#3325425) Subject: RE: BS: An end to pink slime in US schools From: Penny S. We also had, on a couple of occasions, real live caterpillars on the lettuce. Then there was frogspawn - either tapioca or sago milk puddings. Penny |
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19 Mar 12 - 07:43 PM (#3325427) Subject: RE: BS: An end to pink slime in US schools From: TheSnail Back in the sixties there was a major health scare with corned beef from Argentina contaminated with typhoid. We called the meatloaf that arrived at our school in huge catering pans "Tinned Typhoid". |
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20 Mar 12 - 02:10 PM (#3325826) Subject: RE: BS: An end to pink slime in US schools From: Q (Frank Staplin) Marmite- brown slime. |