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04 May 12 - 01:34 PM (#3346873) Subject: Ed Cray bawdy song books From: Jack Campin Are "The Erotic Muse" and "Bawdy Ballads" the same book with different titles for each side of the pond? |
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04 May 12 - 02:36 PM (#3346893) Subject: RE: Ed Cray bawdy song books From: Dave Hanson I bought ' Bawdy Ballads ' here in the UK, published in GB Dave H |
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04 May 12 - 02:45 PM (#3346898) Subject: RE: Ed Cray bawdy song books From: GUEST,Lighter That has always been my impression. While the 1992 (U. of Ill.) ed. of TEM is revised and mostly expanded, a couple of items from the 1968 (Oak) ed. have been dropped. |
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04 May 12 - 03:12 PM (#3346906) Subject: RE: Ed Cray bawdy song books From: Bat Goddess I think it was "The Bawdy Songbook" that Ed published (pre- Oak edition) anonymously. I can ask him privately for the publishing history of his bawdiology, if you'd like. Linn |
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04 May 12 - 03:25 PM (#3346912) Subject: RE: Ed Cray bawdy song books From: GUEST,Lighter BG, you're thinking of "The Dirty Song Book," by "E. R. Linton" (1965). ("Erlinton" is Child No. 8. An academic in-joke.) |
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04 May 12 - 03:44 PM (#3346919) Subject: RE: Ed Cray bawdy song books From: Bat Goddess Exactly, Lighter, I was just coming back here to correct that. Sorry, my brain is still in my sock drawer, what with Tom (Curmudgeon) being away from home for seven weeks -- but he just came home (minutes ago) and I'm about to email Ed the good news. Ed usually doesn't check Mudcat even for threads like "Curmudgeon's Latest Adventure". Linn |
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04 May 12 - 06:01 PM (#3346959) Subject: RE: Ed Cray bawdy song books From: JohnInKansas The frontespiece in the second edition of TEM says: The Erotic Muse A M E R I C A N B A W D Y S O N G S ED CRAY and: ISBN 0-252-01781-1 (cloth : alk. paper) ISBN 0-252-06789-4 (pbk. : alk. paper) A casual comparison of my 2d edition with an owner of a first edition (without the books handy to confirm) indicates that several of his favorites from the first edition were omitted in the second, but most people don't find the omissions too significant, and the 2d claims to include some additional ones not in the first. Maybe you need both editions(?). So far as I know, the 2d edition is still available from U of Illinois, the publisher, although it was a pretty long wait when I ordered from them quite a few years ago. At horntip front covers of "The Erotic Muse" and "Bawdy Ballads" are shown, with a notation that "Below is the 1st edition of The Erotic Muse by Ed Cray," sort of implying that they're the same book, as there's no separate explanation of the other title. I'll leave it to your guesstimator to decide whether that's what the site means. If the "Bawdy Ballads" is a European release of the first edition, it probably is "rare" now. John |
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04 May 12 - 06:10 PM (#3346962) Subject: RE: Ed Cray bawdy song books From: GUEST Indeed, you folks have figured it out. I first sold the manuscript to Oak Publications in NYC. Then Oak was purchased by Music Sales, a major publisher of music world-wide. Oak brought out the first printing, then followed it with a Pyramid softcover, as The Erotic Muse. Meanwhile Music Sales, now headquartered in London, reprinted Muse three times with three different covers, each more garish than the last. There were some real problems with the book. Notes were separated from the songs, higgely-piggaly (don't get to use that phrase often). One or two songs I dropped from the second edition ("John Haroldson"/"Von Hindenberg" comes to mind because I doubted it was in oral tradition. The second edition, published with the University of Illinois Press in 1992, is far and away the better of the two, more judicious, better edited by Judy McCulloh at the press, with some music errors corrected as well. And they pay royalties. In all, I believe that Muse may be the best-selling folk music book since the Lomaxes. Ed Ed |
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04 May 12 - 06:28 PM (#3346967) Subject: RE: Ed Cray bawdy song books From: GUEST,Lighter Because the folk know what they like! |
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04 May 12 - 06:36 PM (#3346971) Subject: RE: Ed Cray bawdy song books From: GUEST,Hootenanny My copy was published in Great Britain by Anthony Blond Ltd in 1970. Hoot |
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04 May 12 - 08:21 PM (#3346998) Subject: RE: Ed Cray bawdy song books From: Charley Noble Ed- Thanks for posting. The experience of any songbook editor on the cutting edge, so to speak, is always of interest to those of us who would dare to try something similarly challenging. Charley Noble |
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04 May 12 - 10:32 PM (#3347031) Subject: RE: Ed Cray bawdy song books From: GUEST,warren fahey and if you are interested in the world's most resilient bawdy song tradition - Australian - then check out the two albums on Rouseabout Records: 'Rooted in the Country' and 'Sing Us Anothery Dirty As Buggery' featuring The Celebrated Knackers and Knockers Band (search under that name on iTunes for a sample of each song). The albums are also available mail order from www.undercovermusic.com And they really are filthy and disgusting and hilarious. Warren Fahey (aka Major Bumsore) |
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05 May 12 - 02:37 AM (#3347055) Subject: RE: Ed Cray bawdy song books From: Dave Hanson Forgot to add, mine is the 1989 edition by Omnibus Press. Dave H |
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05 May 12 - 03:54 AM (#3347067) Subject: RE: Ed Cray bawdy song books From: Steve Gardham Ed I've got the 1970 Blond 'Bawdy Ballads' and 1992 'The Erotic Muse' by UIP. Am I missing anything? |