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16 Aug 12 - 01:37 PM (#3390983) Subject: BS: Tia Sharp murder From: Bonzo3legs http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-19284552 Apparently the body was so decomposed - even after such a short time, that identification was necessary through the child's dental records. Local gossip suspects that this 12 year old child was pregnant. I would not be surprised if the subhuman specimen charged with the murder is done away with in prison. |
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16 Aug 12 - 01:40 PM (#3390986) Subject: RE: BS: Tia Sharp murder From: Bonzo3legs http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disappearance_of_Tia_Sharp |
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16 Aug 12 - 02:17 PM (#3390994) Subject: RE: BS: Tia Sharp murder From: Jack Campin The police have to keep the details of the case to themselves to ensure a fair trial. We aren't going to learn a damn thing until the trial takes place. Live with it. Speculation and rumour-mongering are pointless at best. |
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16 Aug 12 - 03:56 PM (#3391048) Subject: RE: BS: Tia Sharp murder From: Bonzo3legs Live with it??? What kind of a statement is that? |
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16 Aug 12 - 05:05 PM (#3391073) Subject: RE: BS: Tia Sharp murder From: The Sandman it means exactly that, wait, let the person have a proper trial, remember innocent until proved guilty, so stop speculating, and shut up, Bonzo. personally, I would bring back the stocks for whoever did this, but first I want to see a fair trial, so that the correct person is found guilty. |
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16 Aug 12 - 07:03 PM (#3391126) Subject: RE: BS: Tia Sharp murder From: CET I have always preferred Vincent Bugliosi's formulation (from the book "And the Sea Will Tell"): innocent unless proven guilty. "Until" leaves the suggestion that a finding of guilt is the natural conclusion to a criminal trial. "Unless" reminds you that the accused is innocent unless the prosecution succeeds in proving guilt beyond a reasonable doubt. |
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16 Aug 12 - 08:03 PM (#3391146) Subject: RE: BS: Tia Sharp murder From: Don Firth One should remember that since the advent of DNA testing, a disturbing fact that has emerged is that in a distressing number of cases, an innocent person was been tried and found guilty "beyond a shadow of a doubt," and either executed or confined to a prison cell for a large portion of their life, only to be exonerated as a result of the DNA testing. Now, DNA testing is (or certainly should be) part of the evidence in a trial. Often these miscarriages of justice came as the result of errors in eye-witness identification, frequently combine with outrage at the nature of the crime and an urge for vengeance rather than justice. Don Firth |
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16 Aug 12 - 08:44 PM (#3391165) Subject: RE: BS: Tia Sharp murder From: Don Firth AND one should remember that when an innocent person is found guilty "beyond a shadow of a doubt," the guilty party is still at large! Don Firth |
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17 Aug 12 - 02:30 AM (#3391237) Subject: RE: BS: Tia Sharp murder From: Bonzo3legs What a negative attitude indeed. |
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17 Aug 12 - 03:17 AM (#3391242) Subject: RE: BS: Tia Sharp murder From: GUEST,Eliza What I find puzzling about this case is the fact that the Police initially searched the grandmother's house and found nothing. One wonders if this could be because the perpetrator moved the body from place to place, or that the search wasn't thorough enough. I feel it's quite normal to be disgusted and angry at whoever killed the child, but the Law must take its course and proofs obtained. As stated here, DNA testing may shed some light on events. |
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17 Aug 12 - 04:53 AM (#3391275) Subject: RE: BS: Tia Sharp murder From: Bonzo3legs It appears that in that type of council house it may be possible to move an object from one attic into another - the mind boggles! Of course the law must take its course. |
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17 Aug 12 - 07:26 AM (#3391311) Subject: RE: BS: Tia Sharp murder From: Richard Bridge I have heard but do not know wheter either is true): - 1. There was a door between the grandmother's loft and the neighbour's loft and the search HAD to be stopped at the door although the sniffer dog wanted to go on - 2. There is a local rumour the girl was pregnant (but this may merely be the cultural norm for 12-year olds around there). |
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17 Aug 12 - 07:31 AM (#3391312) Subject: RE: BS: Tia Sharp murder From: Bonzo3legs Yes, we have heard the same over the local grapevine. |
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17 Aug 12 - 07:32 AM (#3391313) Subject: RE: BS: Tia Sharp murder From: Megan L And they talk about women being gossips |
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17 Aug 12 - 07:52 AM (#3391319) Subject: RE: BS: Tia Sharp murder From: Bonzo3legs "And they talk about women being gossips" - nowt as queer as folk! |
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17 Aug 12 - 11:07 AM (#3391375) Subject: RE: BS: Tia Sharp murder From: GUEST,leeneia Well said, Don. When the Innocence Project clears one innocent man after another, it certainly raises doubts as to how good our justice system has been all these years. |
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17 Aug 12 - 11:31 AM (#3391386) Subject: RE: BS: Tia Sharp murder From: Bonzo3legs Yes but the signs so far do indicate that this man is the murderer. |
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17 Aug 12 - 02:08 PM (#3391456) Subject: RE: BS: Tia Sharp murder From: Don Firth But "signs" are not good enough to convict someone on. Gotta do better than that. Suspicion is not guilt. Don Firth |
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17 Aug 12 - 04:21 PM (#3391491) Subject: RE: BS: Tia Sharp murder From: GUEST,CS I think it is entirely natural to comment upon and discuss both the known facts and potentials of cases such as these. We do it because we are concerned about crimes such as these, particularly as they so often involve victims we can all imagine from our own lives. We do it because we are trying to understand the events and why they happened. We feel a need to turn these things over, to gain a grasp on them, horrible as they may be. I don't call it "gossip". The girl who died was a person, we are persons too and we all know persons like her. The fact we want to understand indicates a desire to absorb and resolve the awful, to put it right inside us and outside. It's quite natural and not unhealthy. Gratuitous reporting however cynically preys upon all, including the victim, their family, the local community and those of us in the wider community who are disturbed and concerned. Gratuitous reporting cynically exploits and feeds upon the very human need to discuss and understand terrible things. The two shouldn't be confused. |
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17 Aug 12 - 06:27 PM (#3391531) Subject: RE: BS: Tia Sharp murder From: Richard Bridge Then, of course, there is the Contempt of Court Act. |
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29 Aug 12 - 11:56 AM (#3397057) Subject: RE: BS: Tia Sharp murder From: Bonzo3legs It is rumoured that Tia's body had been kept in a water tank in the loft, so the dogs would have had great difficulty in locating her. |
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29 Aug 12 - 01:20 PM (#3397092) Subject: RE: BS: Tia Sharp murder From: McGrath of Harlow Just because gossip and speculation may be "natural", but "natural" doesn't always mean worth doing. |
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29 Aug 12 - 01:23 PM (#3397095) Subject: RE: BS: Tia Sharp murder From: GUEST,Eliza I can't imagine that the Police would release information such as 'the girl was pregnant' or 'the body was in the water tank'. These sort of facts are crucial to the Prosecution and would be withheld for the time being until forensic and other evidence has been gathered. |
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30 Aug 12 - 11:00 AM (#3397570) Subject: RE: BS: Tia Sharp murder From: Bonzo3legs Those of us who live very locally get to hear about these things of course! |
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30 Aug 12 - 11:08 AM (#3397576) Subject: RE: BS: Tia Sharp murder From: GUEST,Eliza I also can't imagine that the murderer revealed these details either. So I'm wondering who knew and who told? |
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30 Aug 12 - 01:00 PM (#3397638) Subject: RE: BS: Tia Sharp murder From: The Sandman bonzo sometimes keeping the mouth shut is the best way to secure justice, and enables justice to be done whilst ensuring a fair trial., wthout the traial being prejudiced |
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30 Aug 12 - 02:05 PM (#3397675) Subject: RE: BS: Tia Sharp murder From: Bonzo3legs We still have freedom of speech in our area I think! |
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30 Aug 12 - 03:49 PM (#3397749) Subject: RE: BS: Tia Sharp murder From: The Sandman i did not know you thought , bonzo, the thinking mans bonzo |
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30 Aug 12 - 05:26 PM (#3397802) Subject: RE: BS: Tia Sharp murder From: MGM·Lion Bonzo ~~ You know well that freedom of speech is not an absolute: there are many forms of speech, defamatory or seditious or treasonous, which are not "free". One such is talking or writing of a criminal case sub judice in a manner which could influence a jury, which is contempt of court. It is perfectly possible that someone reading this thread could end up on a jury hearing this trial. It is a thoroughly mischievous thread, which I think should be entirely deleted as having a potential for most serious consequences. This is a public forum accessible to anyone with access to the internet - ie these days practically everyone. If the thread were drawn to the attention of the trial judge, I think he might well have a thing or two to say about it. I repeat: I think this thread should be deleted. ~M~ |
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31 Aug 12 - 11:47 AM (#3398138) Subject: RE: BS: Tia Sharp murder From: Bonzo3legs I completely agree with you. |