23 Oct 99 - 10:52 PM (#127370) Subject: Irish rebel songs From: Jackdougan@aol.com I was wondering about the lyrics to "Take it down from the Mast", "The man from the daily Mail", "Dungannon 57", "British Army" and "James Larkin". These were all recorded by The Battering Ram in the 70's. Also, their version of Sean South has an extra verse in it that I can't track down. If anyone knows these lyrics I would be very appreciative if you sent them to me. Thanks. |
24 Oct 99 - 03:41 AM (#127419) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Irish rebel songs From: Stewie There was a recent thread on 'The Man From the Daily Mail' to which I supplied 3 versions, including the Battering Ram's. I have the Battering Ram LP with the songs you want. If no one else can readily supply, I will transcribe them for you in due course. Cheers, Stewie. |
24 Oct 99 - 05:13 AM (#127426) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Irish rebel songs From: Melbert Take it down from the mast has, I'm pretty sure, been recorded by Dublin City ramblers. I think James Larkin is on an album I have by Luke Kelly. I try and dig them out later and transcribe - if no-one beats me to it. |
24 Oct 99 - 05:13 AM (#127427) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Irish rebel songs From: Melbert Take it down from the mast has, I'm pretty sure, been recorded by Dublin City ramblers. I think James Larkin is on an album I have by Luke Kelly. I try and dig them out later and transcribe - if no-one beats me to it. |
24 Oct 99 - 05:32 AM (#127429) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Irish rebel songs From: Barry Finn Please buy & don't copy the Battering Ram's music, Rounder has just rerelesed it as a CD & my friend still survives from his music though it be meager. Barry |
24 Oct 99 - 12:04 PM (#127482) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Irish rebel songs From: _gargoyle The postings you made are here - interesting lyrics - Thread about Man with the Daily Mail |
24 Oct 99 - 12:27 PM (#127488) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Irish rebel songs From: _gargoyle Near the time of the '99 Orange Day Parade there were a variety of discussons
Lyr Req: Irish Republican songs
One other thread "questioned the political intents" of those who posted on this subject- It created a REAL cat-fight.
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24 Oct 99 - 12:32 PM (#127491) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Irish rebel songs From: _gargoyle Lets try that thread on Republican Songs again Thread about Republican Songs
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24 Oct 99 - 12:46 PM (#127493) Subject: Lyr Add: JAMES LARKIN From: _gargoyle JAMES LARKIN (Donagh McDonagh)
In Dublin City in nineteen thirteen,
In the month of August the boss man told us,
Then Larkin left us, we seemed defeated,
They shot McDermott and Pearse and Plunkett, ^^
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24 Oct 99 - 01:21 PM (#127503) Subject: Lyr Add: TAKE IT DOWN FROM THE MAST From: _gargoyle "TAKE IT DOWN FROM THE MAST" Take it down from the mast, Irish traitors You've murdered brave Liam and Rory, But we stand with Enright and Larkin, So leave to those who are willing, ^^
From the site IRL-NEWS
The song "Take it down from the mast" sums up the feelings of republicans after the Drumboe executions History: The Drumboe executions
Aengus O Snodaigh on the 75th anniversary of the execution of four Republican prisoners captured by pro-treaty forces in the Civil War in 1923
The executions of prisoners held in state jails, as an offical policy of reprisal against continued republican opposition, was a heinous response by the fledgling Free State. Over 80 official executions (77 is the usual figure given) were carried out in the short period of the Civil War, while the British executed 24 during the Tan War. The policy of execution as reprisal was carried out often against those imprisoned in the areas where the IRA was enjoying a degree of success. By February 1923 there were nearly 12,000 republican prisoners of war incarcerated by the state in various jails and concentration camps around the country. The first of the `offical' executions occurred on 17 November 1922 with the shooting dead in Kilmainham Jail, Dublin, of James Fisher, Peter Cassidy, Richard Twohig and John Gaffney. A unanimous cabinet decision authorised the execution policy and Kevin O Higgins, the then Justice Minister, stated: ``It was done deliberately and in the belief that only by that method could representative government and democratic institutions be preserved here.'' President William Cosgrave said: ``They are dealing with the dregs of society, people who had no regard for life or property or all that people held dear''. The only difference between the offical and the unoffical execution is that the state went through the pretence of a court martial before passing sentence. Most of those executed had been in jail months before being `tried' and then executed at dawn, often in groups of three or four. But in one case six weeks before the end of hostilities, with victory for the State in sight, four men who had been sentenced two months previously were taken out and executed. November 1922 saw a general sweep by Free Staters through Donegal in an effort to end republican opposition in the county. This sweep was successful in that it captured the vast bulk of Volunteers operating in the county or forced them to go on the run in other counties. Amongst those captured were the remnants of Charlie Daly's column (2nd Northern Division) which had been engaging both the Staters and the Crown Forces since May 1922. Daly, a native of Knockanescoulter, Firies, County Kerry, joined the Irish Volunteers in 1914 abd as Adjutant of the Firies Battalion, IRA, he took part in many successful attacks on RIC barracks in County Kerry in the early years of the Tan War, and was also a member of Kerry County Council. In September1920 he travelled north on Cathal Brugha's order to organise the IRA in counties Tyrone and Derry. From the time of his arrival the local units became more daring and active in the struggle. He organised the first daylight attack on an RIC barracks during the Tan War. Drumquin barracks was taken and a large haul of arms captured. The local RIC sergeant was also killed in the attack. Before being arrested and interned in Collinstown Camp, County Dublin, in January 1921 he appointed a County Kerry man, Sean Larkin, as Brigade Adjutant. Larkin had joined the Volunteers in 1914 and was arrested in 1920. In Mountjoy jail he went on hunger-strike and was released, and reported back for active service. During the truce period of 1921 Charlie Daly and Sean Larkin reorganised the IRA in the Tyrone/Derry area and implemented an intensive period of training. When on 6 December 1921 the Irish delegation in London accepted the Articles of Agreement (Treaty) Daly and Larkin were among the first to reject its terms. At Christmas 1922 Charlie returned to Kerry for a short period where he appealed for Volunteers to return north with him to challenge the Orange state. Among those who joined him were Dan Enright and Tim O Sullivan, experienced Volunteers. The reorganised IRA launched numerous attacks on the crown forces in the Donegal/Tyrone/Derry border region. May and June 1922 saw serious engagements between the IRA divisions and crown forces at Pettigo-Belleek, Clady, Strabane and Lifford. With the outbreak of open hostilities between the Free State and the IRA Charlie Daly tried to halt the spread of the conflict and appealed to the staters in County Donegal to join in the unfinished work of establishing a united Ireland, and the immediate task of protecting nationalists in the new Orange state from sectarian pograms. His appeals fell on deaf ears and on 28 June they attacked republican positions in County Donegal. The IRA responded with attacks on staters in East Donegal at Manorcunningham, Drumkeen, Castlefin and Lifford before being forced to retreat further into the county. Daly reported to HQ soon after,"We had something over 100 men at the start, some of them were spies and traitors. In the course of a few weeks we were left with only 30 men and nearly all of them were strangers to the county." He also outlined the harsh conditions which his and other IRA columns operated under during the Civil War. "The country is so assuredly poor that we could hardly get enough to eat. We are often glad when we get potatoes and salt, or a bit of bread and a drop of tea, no matter what side their sympathies were with, they were always hospitable." The 2 November sweep followed in which Daly, Larkin, Enright and Sullivan were captured at Dunlewy in the shadow of Errigal mountain. They were court-martialled in January and on 14 March 1923 the four were marched, from Drumboe Castle where they were being held, to an improvised firing range about 30 yards up a gentle sloping field in the nearby woods. They were summarily executed at this spot. The song "Take it down from the mast" sums up the feelings of republicans after the Drumboe executions |
24 Oct 99 - 03:25 PM (#127546) Subject: Lyr Add: PETER PAN AND ME (Michael MacConnell) From: Melbert How about this one from , I think, Mickey MacConnell, who also wrote "Only Our Rivers Run Free".
We knew we faced the power that comes from money |
24 Oct 99 - 06:27 PM (#127585) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Irish rebel songs From: Barry Finn Hi Jack, if you want to post the verses you have, I'll probably be seeing Shay Walker (former member of the Battering Ram) this Wed night & I'll ask him for the missing verse your looking for unless someone else posts it first. I should also mention that all the members of the Battering Ram were more that singers of rebel songs. Shay is renouned for his wealth of Dublin songs & their history & both Johnny Beggin & Declan Hunt are also great singers/musicians with a great store of traditional songs. I asked Shay some while ago if he'd do "Take It Down From The Mast", he won't do these anymore in light of the peace attempts. Barry |
26 Oct 99 - 02:09 AM (#128079) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Irish rebel songs From: jackdougan@aol.com Thank you to everyone who responded. To Barry Finn: yes, I would like it if you can get the lyrics from Mr. Walker if it's not too much trouble, also I think it is admirable that he refrains from singing some of the more inflammatory songs in light of the peace attempts, though I continue to admire the passion that is evident in the work of the Battering Ram. My copy of "Irish Rebel Songs was bought and paid for, however this is the only cd I've been able to locate. Do they have anymore and if so, are they available in the U.S. or over the web? |
26 Oct 99 - 11:04 PM (#128430) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Irish rebel songs From: Barry Finn Hi Jack, what are the verses that you all ready have, it's easier to fill in the blanks. See ya, Barry |
27 Oct 99 - 10:02 PM (#128841) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Irish rebel songs From: Mick Jack stick round while & drop in more often the group is kin so post the lyrics here . |
28 Oct 99 - 01:33 AM (#128884) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Irish rebel songs From: Barry Finn Hi Jack, Shay still sings with the same passion now as back then. That was the Battering Ram's only recording & as I mentioned Rounder has seen fit to rerelease it. The verse you're looking for was written by Shay's brother-in-law Sean Humston.
May Gog reward those gallant men, may heaven be their home Barry |