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Origins: Mountains of Mourne (Percy French)

25 Oct 99 - 08:47 PM (#127953)
Subject: DT Correction: Mountains of Mourne (Percy French)
From: McGrath of Harlow

The original Percy French Mountains of Mourne is on the Digital Tradition all right.

But I once heard someone sing a version of it that was a sequel rather than a parody. It was Mary's letter back to her young man in exile.

The theme was basically that she was being a bit suspicious about all the time he seemed to be spending looking disapprovingly at these half naked ladies in the big city.

She ends up, I seem to remember, warning him that he might not be so welcome back in the Mountains of Mourne if he didn't watch his step.

If anybody has the words, I'd like to have them. I was told they were actually by Percy French himself, and the singer sang them back to back.

\But while we're about it, any other versions of the song or parodies from it would be interesting. And if there's anybody with anything about Percy French and his songs they'd like to say, lets be having you.


    Digital Tradition lyrics are on the right. On the left are my corrections, from The Songs of Percy French, by James N. Healy. -Joe Offer-


MOUNTAINS OF MOURNE (corrected DT Lyrics)
(Words by Percy French, ca 1900. Melody trad.)

Oh Mary, this London's a wonderful sight,
Wid the people here workin' by day and by night.
They don't sow potatoes, nor barley nor wheat,
But there's gangs of them diggin' for gold in the street.
    At least, when I axed them that's what I was told
    So I just took a hand at this diggin' for gold;
But for all that I found there, I might as well be
Where the Mountains o' Mourne sweep down to the sea.

I believe that when writin' a wish you expressed
As to how the fine ladies of London were dressed.
Well if you believe me, when axed to a ball
They don't wear a top to their dresses at all!
    Oh, I've seen them meself and you could not, in thrath
    (truth)
    Say if they were bound for a ball, or a bath —
Don't be startin' them fashions now, Mary Machree,
Where the Mountains of Mourne sweep down to the sea.

I seen England's king from the top of a bus —
I never knew him, though he means to know us:
And though by the Saxon we once were oppressed,
Still I cheered — God forgive me — I cheered with the rest.
    And now that he's visited Erin's green shore
    We'll be much better friends than we've been heretofore
When we've got all we want, we're as quiet as can be
Where the Mountains of Mourne sweep down to the sea.

You remember young Peter O'Loughlin of course —
Well here he is now at the head o' the Force.
I met him today, I was crossing the Strand,
And he stopped the whole street wid wan wave of his hand.
    And there we stood talking of days that are gone
    While the whole population of London looked on;
But for all these great powers, he's wishful like me
To be back where the dark Mourne sweeps down to the sea.

There's beautiful girls here — Oh, never you mind —
With beautiful shapes Nature never designed.
And lovely complexions, all roses and crame,
But O'Loughlin remarked wid regard to the same
'That if at those roses you venture to sip
The colour might all come away on your lip'
So I'll wait for the wild rose that's waitin' for me —
Where the Mountains of Mourne sweep down to the sea.

MOUNTAINS OF MOURNE (DT Lyrics)
(Words by Percy French, ca 1900. Melody trad.)

Oh Mary, this London's a wonderful sight,
With people here working by day and by night.
They don't sow potatoes nor barley nor wheat
But there's gangs of them diggin' for gold in the street.
    At least, when I asked them that's what I was told
    So I just took a hand at this diggin' for gold;
But for all that I've found there, I might as well be
Where the Mountains of Mourne sweep down to the sea.

I believe that when writin' a wish you expressed
As to how the fine lAdies of London are dressed.
Well if you believe me, when asked to a ball
They don't wear no tops to their dresses at all.
    Oh, I've seen them myself and you could not, in thrath
    (truth)
    Say if they were bound for a ball, or a bath,
Don't be startin' them fashions now, Mary Machree,
Where the etc.

I've seen England's king from the top of a bus
And I've never known him, but he means to know us.
And tho' by the Saxon we once were oppressed,
Still I cheered, God forgive me, I cheered with the rest.
    And now that he's visited Erin's green shore
    We'll be much better friends than we've been heretofore
When we've got all we want, we're as quiet as can be
Where the etc.

You remember young Peter O'Loughlin of course
Well now he is here at the head of the Force.
I met him today, I was crossing the Strand
And he stopped the whole street with a wave of his hand.
    And there we stood talking of days that are gone
    While the whole population of London looked on;
But for all these great powers, he's wishful, like me
To be back where the dark Mourne sweeps down to the sea.

There's beautiful girls here --- Oh, never you mind ---
With beautiful shapes nature never designed.
And lovely complexions all roses and cream,
But O'Loughlin remarked with regard to the same
That if at those roses you venture to sip
The colors might all come away on your lip
So I'll wait for the wild rose that's waitin' for me
Where the etc.


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25 Oct 99 - 08:50 PM (#127954)
Subject: Lyr Add: BENDEMEER'S STREAM (Thomas Moore)
From: Lesley N.

Thomas Moore wrote these lyrics long before Percy French.

BENDEMEER'S STREAM
(Thomas Moore)

There's a bower of roses,
by Bendemeer's Stream,
And the nightingale sings
'round it all the day long.
In the time of my childhood
'Twas sweet like a dream,
To sit by the roses
And hear the bird's song.
That bow'r and its music
I ne'er can forget,
But of when alone
In the bloom of the year
I think, "Is the nightingale
singing there yet?"
Are the roses still bright
by the calm Bendemeer?"

No, the roses soon withered
that hung o'er the wave,
But the blossoms were gathered
While freshly they shone,
And the dew was distilled
On the flowers, that gave
All the fragrance of summer -
when summer is gone.
Thus memory draws from delight
ere it dies,
An essence that breathes
of it many a year.
Thus, bright to my soul
as 'twas then to my eyes,
Is that bow'r on the banks
of the calm Bendemeer.


25 Oct 99 - 09:40 PM (#127966)
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Mountains of Mourne
From: John in Brisbane

Lesley, I've seen these lyrics recently - now I realise it was probably in the DT - but did the tune pre-date French's penning of Mountains of Mourne? Regards, John


25 Oct 99 - 10:17 PM (#127984)
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Mountains of Mourne
From: Bruce O.

I don't know when Thomas Moore wrote "Bendemeer's Stream". It isn't in his "National Melodies" or in his "A Selection of Irish Melodies". I've seen the song in The Vocal Library, John Souter, London, 1818. I think I've still got an old LP with Susan Reed singing it.


25 Oct 99 - 11:17 PM (#128021)
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Mountains of Mourne
From: Lesley N.

If it's in a collection of 1818 and French was born in 1854 I'd say that's conclusive! More specifically (and seriously) though, it's referred to in one source as being in Moore's Lalla Rookh, Part 1 - which was published in 1817 (and for which more received the record sum of 3,000 pounds).


26 Oct 99 - 12:09 AM (#128036)
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Mountains of Mourne
From: paddymac

I'm going on memory here, gang, but Dear Old Percy did not write the tune for "Mountains of Mourne". As best I recall, he literally wrote the lyric on the back of an envelope and sent it to his some-time collaborator (Charles Collison, or something similar) who then fitted the lyric to an existing air. I'll check back on the weekend, and if nobody else has confirmed my recollection, I'll try to dig up some documentation.


26 Oct 99 - 02:47 AM (#128085)
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Mountains of Mourne
From: Melbert

The lyrics were written by Percy French (1854-1920). They were sent to Houston Collison on the back of a post card, and he set it to the ancient Irish air "Carrigdhoun".

(according to "Soodlum's 100 Irish ballads, vol 1).


26 Oct 99 - 01:25 PM (#128230)
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Mountains of Mourne
From: McGrath of Harlow

It's a great tune whoever wrote it. But I reckon Percy French's words are better than Thomas Moore's (and that's high praise).

But did Percy write a sequel using the same tune, that's what I want to know.


02 Nov 99 - 09:01 PM (#131096)
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Mountains of Mourne
From: McGrath of Harlow

??Any answers?


03 Nov 99 - 05:46 PM (#131437)
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Mountains of Mourne
From: Metchosin

Hi McGrath I think you mean the version that has the lines:
They don't plant potatoes or barley or wheat
But there gangs o them digging
For gold in the street
At least when I asked
That is what I was told
So I just took a hand
At this digging for gold
So I just took a hand at this digging for gold
But for all that I found there
I might as well be
Where the Mountains of Morin reach down to the sea
I'll try to remember them or failing that find them on a record I think I have somewhere


03 Nov 99 - 05:50 PM (#131441)
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Mountains of Mourne
From: Metchosin

Oops sorry, thats the one thats on the DT


05 Nov 99 - 04:52 PM (#132327)
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Mountains of Mourne
From: McGrath of Harlow

Yup, that's the one Percy French wrote. But I think he wrote a sequel as well.


07 Jul 05 - 01:38 AM (#1516653)
Subject: Lyr/Chords Add: MOUNTAINS OF MOURN (with chords)
From: chico

Some stupid questions. What are the "gangs" of londoners digging in the streets? I know this is a satire, but I don't get. Are they labourers digging the london subway/metro/tube?

What does the "no top" to the dresses mean, is it describing strapless gowns that expose female shoulders, or actually bawdy lyric?




AIR -- 'Carrigdhoun'
      G          7         C         Am
Oh, Mary, this London's a wonderful sight
       D          7         G      C   G
With people here working by day and by night
                7             C       Am
They don't sow potatoes, nor barley nor wheat
            D             7          G   C       G
But there' gangs of them digging for gold in the streets
    C          7                  G    C? G
At least when I asked them that's what I was told
       G          B°             Am         D7
So I just took a hand at this diggin' for gold
         G            7          C            Am
But for all that I found there I might as well be
            D            7            G   C      G
Where the Mountains of Mourne sweep down to the sea.

I believe that when writin' a wish you expressed
As to how the fine ladies in London were dressed
Well, if you believe me, when asked to a ball
Faith, they don't wear no top to their dresses at all.
Oh, I've seen them myself and you could not in trath
Say if they were bound for a ball or a bath
Don't be startin' them fashions now, Mary Macree,
Where the mountains of Mourne sweep down to the sea.

I've seen England's king from the top of a bus
And I've never known him, but he means to know us.
And tho' by the Saxon we once were oppressed,
Still I cheered, God forgive me, I cheered with the rest.
And now that he's visited Erin's green shore
We'll be much better friends than we've been heretofore
When we've got all we want, we're as quiet as can be
Where the mountains of Mourne sweep down to the sea.

You remember young Peter O'Loughlin, of course
Well, now he is here at the head of the force
I met him today, I was crossing the Strand
And he stopped the whole street with a wave of his hand
And there we stood talkin' of days that are gone
While the whole population of London looked on
But for all these great powers he's wishful like me
To be back where the dark Mourne sweeps down to the sea.

There's beautiful girls here, oh, never you mind
With beautiful shapes nature never designed
And lovely complexions all roses and cream
But O'Loughlin remarked with regard to the same
That if at those roses you venture to sip
The colours might all come away on your lip
So I'll wait for the wild rose that's waitin' for me
Where the Mountains of Mourne sweep down to the sea.

I moved this message here from another thread on the same topic.
-Joe Offer-


07 Jul 05 - 04:19 AM (#1516715)
Subject: RE: Origins: Mountains of Mourne (with chords)
From: GUEST,Paul Burke

What are the "gangs" of londoners digging in the streets?

Sewers of course!


07 Jul 05 - 05:16 AM (#1516737)
Subject: RE: Origins: Mountains of Mourne (with chords)
From: GUEST

The gangs of labourers would have been digging trenches for laying gas, electricity water supplies.

And yes, the "no top to their dresses" refers to strapless ball-gowns.


07 Jul 05 - 02:14 PM (#1517214)
Subject: RE: Origins: Mountains of Mourne (with chords)
From: Steve-o

Chico- definitely NOT a satire (I think you just misused the term). This was based on very real experiences of the Irish "plowboys" when they went to London to "find their fortune".


07 Jul 05 - 03:32 PM (#1517263)
Subject: RE: Origins: Mountains of Mourne (with chords)
From: McGrath of Harlow

Not a satire, but essentially a light-hearted song; it might have a serious topic at the heart of it, but it's intended to make the listener smile.


08 Jul 05 - 04:23 AM (#1517794)
Subject: RE: Origins: Mountains of Mourne (with chords)
From: Peace

Beautiful pic here of the Mountains.

And another.


08 Jul 05 - 07:11 AM (#1517857)
Subject: RE: Origins: Mountains of Mourne (with chords)
From: Genie

Quote:
"But I once heard someone sing a version of it that was a sequel rather than a parody. It was Mary's letter back to her young man in exile.
The theme was basically that she was being a bit suspicious about all the time he seemed to be spending looking disapprovingly at these half naked ladies in the big city."

Gee, I can't imagine why she was suspicious about that! LOL

Genie


26 Nov 10 - 04:36 PM (#3041041)
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Mountains of Mourne (Percy French)
From: Charley Noble

There is also a claim by John Edgar Mann that Cicely Fox Smith "collaborated on a children's operetta with Irish songwriter Percy French" by the title of "Mountains of Mourne," from "Cicely Fox Smith," FOLK ON TAP, Summer, 1999, p. 17. Would we be talking about the same song?

Charley Noble


05 Feb 20 - 02:16 AM (#4032292)
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Mountains of Mourne (Percy French)
From: GUEST,Martin B

For the 'original' words of Mary's reply to Shamus including sheet music see the link below
https://www.itma.ie/digital-library/text/3156-sm


05 Feb 20 - 03:51 AM (#4032299)
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Mountains of Mourne (Percy French)
From: Richard Mellish

Is this a Mudcat record: just over twenty years from when McGrath of Harlow requested the words to when GUEST,Martin B gave us a link to them?

If French himself had written a sequel, I don't think he would have given a girl from the Mountains of Mourne that stage Irish accent.


05 Feb 20 - 02:35 PM (#4032403)
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Mountains of Mourne (Percy French)
From: Dave Hanson

Percy French taking the piss out of the English in my humble opinion, and well done too.

Dave H


08 Feb 20 - 09:58 AM (#4032959)
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Mountains of Mourne (Percy French)
From: keberoxu

Recorded by the original Kingston Trio on their vinyl album,
The Kingston Trio sold out.

Don't know which of the trio sings the lead vocal, but
it sounds different than Bob Shane.
Perhaps Dave Guard?

From the Percy French (?) lyrics posted by chico,
the Kingston Trio sings verses 1, 2, and 5.


08 Feb 20 - 12:22 PM (#4032996)
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Mountains of Mourne (Percy French)
From: keberoxu

Lesley N.'s response is correct, by the way,
as I found when it was necessary to look up Thomas Moore's original.

Lalla Rookh includes this lyric as
a song from the Harem!
It seems that
Bendemir was a Persian river.
Does that mean it flows through Iran today?



There is a French-language translation, however,
titled 'Odalisque."


08 Feb 20 - 06:10 PM (#4033065)
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Mountains of Mourne (Percy French)
From: Tattie Bogle

Very appropriate that this thread should be revived after so long, as on 24th January 2020, it was the 100th anniversary of Percy French's death. This fact was mentioned by Cathy Jordan of "Dervish" on stage at Glasgow's Celtic Connections, during their concert on 19th Jan: she then sang another of his songs, Eileen Oge (or The Pride of Petravore). He was a prolific writer, and some of his songs may be well-known but people sing them without knowing who wrote them!
Percy French

My first impressions of "Mountains of Mourne" was that it was just another of those sentimental Irish songs, but it's full of humour, satire, irony and political comment all in one song!


08 Feb 20 - 06:50 PM (#4033074)
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Mountains of Mourne (Percy French)
From: Steve Shaw

At Curliss family dos, this song was my grandad's party piece. It helped that his missus, my gran of course, was called Mary. He'd launch out, after a pint or several of Tetleys of course, with "Oh Mary, this London's a wonderful sight..." with his hand placed tenderly on gran's head. Upon which gran would call out, "Oh, sit down, you silly ould bugger..."

Good times...


08 Feb 20 - 06:54 PM (#4033075)
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Mountains of Mourne (Percy French)
From: Joe Offer

Somebody posted Mary's Reply back in 2001, without the "stage Irish" of the sheet music.

Thread #30665   Message #394854
Posted By: Michael in Swansea
10-Feb-01 - 06:15 AM
Thread Name: Lyr Add: Mary's Reply (to Mountains of Mourne)
Subject: ADD: Mary's Reply (to Mountains of Mourne)^^

Idly browsing the DT, I noticed the Mountains of Mourne listed but not Mary's reply so here it is. Same tune.

MARY'S REPLY

Dear Shamus, I've learned all your letter by heart
I've read it so often, I know every part
For when it arrived everybody here knew
And they all came to hear the good tidings from you
I need not explain that I missed out the part
Where you put little crosses and words like sweetheart
For my heart said to me, "You must read them alone
By the light of the moon by the Mountains o' Mourne"

I told them you'd met England's King and all that
And he recognised you by raising his hat
But I didn't explain that the cause of the fuss
Was you seeing him from the top of a bus
But the part they liked best sure, is where you confess
That in spite of the glamour and all your success
Your thoughts often wander to where you were born
And you long to be back by the Mountains of Mourne

It's good of you Shamus to send me that dress
But the size of the waist - tell me how did you guess?
Sure it fits me so tight, that Kate, in bad taste
Said your arm must have measured some other one's waist
If I thought that were true, now I think I should die
But the girls are so jealous - perhaps it's a lie
And maybe you'd guessed from the dress that I'd worn
When we walked, arms linked by the Mountains o' Mourne

Some great things have happened, of course, since you went
Kate's got a young man - that's the greatest event
He's employed at a gunpowder works, by the way
And he may get a rise any minute, they say
Her parents don't think his position's secure
And forbade her to see the poor lad anymore
But for what notice Kate takes I'll be sworn
They might as well talk to the Mountains o' Mourne

Oh, Shamus, I don't want to spoil your career
But God knows I wish you were back agin here
Sure it's lonely, avic, waiting day after day
For one face that, alas, never passes this way
But don't think I'm pining, you're better, 'tis true
Say you'll wait for the wild rose - and I'll wait for you
Though friendship may comfort, yet love is forlorn
While waiting for you by the Mountains o'Mourne

Collected by Nellie Walsh for Ireland's Own magazine
MJR ^^


08 Feb 20 - 08:01 PM (#4033085)
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Mountains of Mourne (Percy French)
From: Tattie Bogle

Great posts, Steve and Joe!


28 Aug 22 - 08:51 PM (#4151314)
Subject: RE: Origins: Mountains of Mourne (Percy French)
From: RunrigFan

Oh Mary, this London's a wonderful sight,
With the people here workin' by day and by night.
They don't grow potatoes, nor barley nor wheat,
But there's gangs of them diggin' for gold in the street.
At least, when I asked them that's what I was told
So I just took a hand in this diggin' for gold;
But for all that I found there, I might as well be
Where the Mountains o' Mourne sweep down to the sea.

I believe that when writin' a wish you expressed
As to how the fine ladies in London were dressed.
Well if you believe me, when asked to a ball
They don't wear a top to their dresses at all!
Oh, I've seen them meself and you could not, in truth
Say if they were bound for a ball, or a bath
Don't be startin' them fashions now, Mary Machree,
Where the Mountains of Mourne sweep down to the sea.

You remember young Peter O'Loughlin of course —
Well he's over here at the head o' the Force.
I met him today, I was crossing the Strand,
When he stopped the whole street with one wave of his hand.
And we stood there talking of days that are gone
While the whole population of London looked on;
But for all his great powers, he's wishful like me
To be back where the dark Mourne sweeps down to the sea.

There are beautiful girls here - Oh, never you mind -
They have beautiful shapes, nature never designed.
They've lovely complexions, of roses and cream
But O'Loughlin remarked regard to the same
Since you're a fine famile?, I give you a tip
The colour might all come away on your lip'
So I'll wait for the wild rose that's waitin' for me —
Where the Mountains of Mourne sweep down to the sea

https://open.spotify.com/track/7bntW6D7bCzFQtAY1xXYQA?si=267d81bf0bed4933


29 Aug 22 - 01:08 PM (#4151385)
Subject: RE: Origins: Mountains of Mourne (Percy French)
From: GUEST,jim bainbridge

re the tune, I always thought it was based on the old song/tune 'Carrigdhoun' a location near Bandon in West Cork.

There's a wonderful version of 'Carrigdhoun'on an LP by the McPeake family in the early 60s...


29 Aug 22 - 01:52 PM (#4151392)
Subject: RE: Origins: Mountains of Mourne (Percy French)
From: GUEST,Modette

... more likely 'Carraig Donn'(brown rock).


29 Aug 22 - 07:22 PM (#4151422)
Subject: RE: Origins: Mountains of Mourne (Percy French)
From: McGrath of Harlow

I've just come across this and I'm pleased to see that the song I was after has turned up. The Mudcat can take its time, but it delivers in the end.

Interesting to see that the author of Mary's reply evidently wasn’t Percy French.

What's missing though is the verse where Mary indicates a slight reprimand to her man's attention to the underdressed ladies in London. I'm sure I remember seeing it - I think likely in a copy of Ireland's Own. II'd guess that some singer along the way improved the song. (Maybe even Percy French himself…)

Maybe it'll turn up in time.


30 Aug 22 - 01:44 PM (#4151504)
Subject: RE: Origins: Mountains of Mourne (Percy French)
From: GUEST,jim bainbridge

bit of a pseud respons Modette- I am quite ware of the meaning of the song title, having lived 20 years in Ireland.

I'm pretty sure that was the spelling used by the McPeake family on the LP in question, and I'd take their version rather than yours