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05 Oct 12 - 09:59 AM (#3414827) Subject: BS: Jobless Rate Falls to 7.8%... From: Bobert Wonder what the Mitt's going to do now??? Oh yeah... Etch-a-sketch and lie... Whole lotta shakin' goin' on... B~ |
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05 Oct 12 - 11:29 AM (#3414896) Subject: RE: BS: Jobless Rate Falls to 7.8%... From: Stringsinger if these stats are right, O should be given credit. With Romney, you'll see joblessness rates soar, why, because he doesn't care about the American working man and woman. O might get the rate down further. |
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05 Oct 12 - 12:53 PM (#3414937) Subject: RE: BS: Jobless Rate Falls to 7.8%... From: pdq This is just an October Suprise. Expect many more in the next few weeks. The number was invented by government operatives to get Obama across the finish line. To drop the unemployment by 0.4% would require at least 1 million new jobs. We had 114 thousand new jobs last month. Do the math. It's bullshit. |
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05 Oct 12 - 01:11 PM (#3414946) Subject: RE: BS: Jobless Rate Falls to 7.8%... From: Rapparee I hope that it's not because people have given up looking for work and their benefits have run out. A real decrease in unemployment would be wonderful. |
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05 Oct 12 - 01:16 PM (#3414949) Subject: RE: BS: Jobless Rate Falls to 7.8%... From: Henry Krinkle There's always a decrease at this time of the year. College kids go back to school.Christmas hiring. Then a big increase after Christmas. (:-( ))= |
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05 Oct 12 - 01:18 PM (#3414950) Subject: RE: BS: Jobless Rate Falls to 7.8%... From: pdq This is a last minute dirty trick directly from the office of Hilda Solis, another member of Obama's class of convicted tax cheats. She should be forced to resign. Using the government to lie is a crime. |
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05 Oct 12 - 02:15 PM (#3414982) Subject: RE: BS: Jobless Rate Falls to 7.8%... From: Charley Noble pdq- You are a skeptical one! Yes, I partially agree with you but not the conspiracy part. The only way I can see that the unemployment number could drop so significantly with that modest increase in jobs is if a substantial number of people got discouraged and left the labor force. Still, it's not the kind of number Romney supporters were hoping to trumpet. Too bad for your side... Charley Noble |
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05 Oct 12 - 02:46 PM (#3414998) Subject: RE: BS: Jobless Rate Falls to 7.8%... From: pdq When it takes a lie to boost your slumping candidate, that is bad for your side, even though you will never admit it. Also bad for the country. {PS: I said I support Romney in 2008 also. Said it here on Mudcat. Still say it.} |
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05 Oct 12 - 03:29 PM (#3415015) Subject: RE: BS: Jobless Rate Falls to 7.8%... From: Jack the Sailor "When it takes a lie to boost your slumping candidate, that is bad for your side," A lie like "I never proposed a 5 trillion dollar tax cut?" Or "I care about the middle class?" |
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05 Oct 12 - 04:05 PM (#3415029) Subject: RE: BS: Jobless Rate Falls to 7.8%... From: McGrath of Harlow Using the government to lie is a crime. Isn't that what governments are generally for? |
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05 Oct 12 - 04:23 PM (#3415040) Subject: RE: BS: Jobless Rate Falls to 7.8%... From: Jack the Sailor How did the President to get Murdoch to lie WSJ says 7.8% Here is a liar. |
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05 Oct 12 - 05:13 PM (#3415062) Subject: RE: BS: Jobless Rate Falls to 7.8%... From: Greg F. When it takes a lie to boost your slumping candidate, that is bad for your side, even though you will never admit it. Take that one up with Mitt & Paul, PeeDee- jaysus, have you no shame at all, man? |
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05 Oct 12 - 06:49 PM (#3415108) Subject: RE: BS: Jobless Rate Falls to 7.8%... From: GUEST,TIA If you have any evidence that the non-partisan, non-political Bureau of Labor Statistics is promulgating phony numbers, I suggest you contact any reporter anywhere...they will win a Pulitzer when they break this open. What, no evidence? Really? Just wishful thinking on your part. Too bad. |
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05 Oct 12 - 06:53 PM (#3415110) Subject: RE: BS: Jobless Rate Falls to 7.8%... From: Greg F. Don't try to change their minds with facts, Tia..... |
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05 Oct 12 - 07:55 PM (#3415145) Subject: RE: BS: Jobless Rate Falls to 7.8%... From: Ebbie Why? For instance, why do some members of a family scatter far and wide while other members of the same family spend their lives within 15 miles of where they were born? Why do some people in a family devoutly adhere to the religion they were taught in the cradle while other members of the same family proclaim themselves atheist? (Along that same line, why do some people announce that their lord is satan- why would they cling to #2? :) Why do some people cling to a political figure when they already know his/her penchant for falsifying facts and figures and that his/her opinion as given today may well be the opposite tomorrow? When they have already been given absolute proof that there is no real conviction there, that that politician changes his coat as easily as a summer day slides into autumn? It is as if they would consider it as some kind of betrayal if they were to intimate any uneasiness with their choice, notwithstanding that they know that their clay-footed hero has never heard of them, never will and will never be aware of their apostasy. http://economix.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/10/05/explaining-the-big-gain-in-job-getters/?hp |
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05 Oct 12 - 08:57 PM (#3415170) Subject: RE: BS: Jobless Rate Falls to 7.8%... From: pdq "I hope that it's not because people have given up looking for work...(a) real decrease in unemployment would be wonderful." Rapper may be the only one here who is not sleepeing through the media manipulation. Yes, it took one million people getting so f***ing tired of four years of looking for a job that they gave up. Congrats, Bammer, the tragic circumstances of 1 million people may help you get your precious second term. |
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05 Oct 12 - 09:10 PM (#3415173) Subject: RE: BS: Jobless Rate Falls to 7.8%... From: Bobert Wow... Such bitterness at seeing the unemployment rates decline... BTW, the reasons that the percentage went down was from adjustments for the last couple months where underreporting was a problem... Two different agencies grind the numbers... The Labor Department and the Census people... They are not political pawns or they would have been putting up big numbers all along... B~ |
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05 Oct 12 - 09:23 PM (#3415182) Subject: RE: BS: Jobless Rate Falls to 7.8%... From: Jack the Sailor http://www.marketplace.org/topics/economy/could-jobs-statistics-be-rigged Douglas Holtz-Eakin served in the Council of Economic Advisors under George W. Bush. He says there's no possibility this report was manipulated or changed for political ends. |
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05 Oct 12 - 09:34 PM (#3415189) Subject: RE: BS: Jobless Rate Falls to 7.8%... From: pdq The real unemployment rate includes all people who want to work. The figure being used now used is easily manipulated. The real unemployment number is called U6... ...learn something |
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05 Oct 12 - 09:43 PM (#3415191) Subject: RE: BS: Jobless Rate Falls to 7.8%... From: Bobert Always has, pdq... So what??? Why do we have to point out the details while a Dem is on office and ignore it when a Repub is in... This is all relative... Pick a standard and let it fall upon all presidents... Bush went around saying that the unemployment rates were 5%... But they weren't... So lets get real here, pdq... Like sports players beg, "call it both ways, ref"... B~ |
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05 Oct 12 - 10:19 PM (#3415205) Subject: RE: BS: Jobless Rate Falls to 7.8%... From: Don Firth The report I heard was quite specific that the increase was genuine, and NOT due to people giving up and dropping of the rolls. You're a sorehead, pdq. Take and aspirin and go lie down. Don Firth |
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06 Oct 12 - 09:04 AM (#3415348) Subject: RE: BS: Jobless Rate Falls to 7.8%... From: Sawzaw Percentage of the American Labor Force that have jobs |
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06 Oct 12 - 09:27 AM (#3415353) Subject: RE: BS: Jobless Rate Falls to 7.8%... From: GUEST,Lighter Jack Welch, who started the whole row, now tells CNN he has no evidence whatever that the figures are fakes. He was only raising the question based on the fact that Obama "lost" the debate and the figures are better than expected. Case closed. |
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06 Oct 12 - 09:29 AM (#3415354) Subject: RE: BS: Jobless Rate Falls to 7.8%... From: GUEST,TIA I have never seen so many self-professed Patriotic Americans so upset by the possibility that the US economy is improving. |
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06 Oct 12 - 10:37 AM (#3415363) Subject: RE: BS: Jobless Rate Falls to 7.8%... From: GUEST,Lighter A Romney spokesperson has appeared on CNN to say the campaign believes the numbers are real but represent only a temporary gain. |
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06 Oct 12 - 11:18 AM (#3415385) Subject: RE: BS: Jobless Rate Falls to 7.8%... From: Stilly River Sage PDQ linked to an inflated number based on speculation about those who aren't working. The actual rate is 7.8%. SRS |
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06 Oct 12 - 11:27 AM (#3415391) Subject: RE: BS: Jobless Rate Falls to 7.8%... From: Bobert Yep, TIA... You get a bad job report and the Obama haters are all over it like it's the Holy Grail but... ...get a good one and they piss 'n moan... What a bunch of Sad Sack, washrag crybabies... B~ |
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06 Oct 12 - 11:30 AM (#3415392) Subject: RE: BS: Jobless Rate Falls to 7.8%... From: GUEST,999 "Obama haters" Those people are called Republicans. |
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06 Oct 12 - 11:31 AM (#3415395) Subject: RE: BS: Jobless Rate Falls to 7.8%... From: Jack the Sailor Ah pdq. If you didn't have double standards, you's have none at all. Its not as if 7.8 is all that good or all that much different. To paraphrase Darth Vader ..... The piss and moan is strong in this one. |
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06 Oct 12 - 11:37 AM (#3415399) Subject: RE: BS: Jobless Rate Falls to 7.8%... From: Little Hawk If it wasn't Obama they were hating it would be some other Democrat in his place. In any case, Bobert, you come across the same way as a Romney-hater, so why complain about the yoyos on the other side for acting the way you do? ;-) It's an equal opportunity system. Kind of like a sports event. You Looooove the home team and Haaaaate the visiting team! That's how it's set up. That's how it works. I've been watching it unfold that way ever since I was 10 years old. I still remember the kids in school back when Kennedy was running against Nixon...the first election that really registered on my young mind. They all just parroted their parents, so they either hated Kennedy...and made fun of how his head was square and his Boston accent and the fact that he was Catholic...or they hated Nixon...and made fun of how his head was round and then went in and then was round again (like the number 8) and he had a ski jump nose too! ;-) Really mature stuff, yessiree! If the weather was this predictable, we wouldn't need the weatherman at all. |
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06 Oct 12 - 11:42 AM (#3415405) Subject: RE: BS: Jobless Rate Falls to 7.8%... From: pdq Sad that so many people think saving Obama is more important than saving the country. |
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06 Oct 12 - 11:44 AM (#3415408) Subject: RE: BS: Jobless Rate Falls to 7.8%... From: Jack the Sailor Really? I don't see Bobert attacking the source for the bad news. You can't just pull accusations out of your butt like pdq has. (though to be fair, he has probably pulled them out of some bloggers butt.) You need to have an evidential basis for your complaints to mean something. |
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06 Oct 12 - 12:49 PM (#3415460) Subject: RE: BS: Jobless Rate Falls to 7.8%... From: bobad Appearing on Saturday morning's edition of Up with Chris Hayes , Joseph Stiglitz took on jobs "truthers." The Columbia University professor and Nobel Laureate in Economics explained the absurdity of former GE CEO Jack Welch's assertion that the Obama administration cooked the books on yesterday's jobs numbers in order to gain in the upcoming presidential election. "Let me give you a story that illustrates why it's so implausible. Back when President Clinton was running for his second term, the Bureau of Labor Statistics and the Bureau of Economic Affairs that comes up with the GDP number were changing the way we measure GDP growth, okay? And they were going to something that is a technical term called chained-weighted GDP. And the result of going to chain-weighted GDP was that the GDP number would be lower than the old methodology. The President was furious because everyone thought they were coming up with a number that was lower. He said, 'Can't you stop this? Can't you wait until after the election?' We said, 'No, they're an independent agency. We can't touch them.' …but the point is no president –except maybe Nixon– would try to change what the Bureau of Labor Statistics does or what the BEA does. These are really independent statistical agencies. The idea that they would do that is …literally absurd." |
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06 Oct 12 - 12:53 PM (#3415462) Subject: RE: BS: Jobless Rate Falls to 7.8%... From: Jack the Sailor Literally absurd is the motto or the GOP economics team. |
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06 Oct 12 - 03:24 PM (#3415535) Subject: RE: BS: Jobless Rate Falls to 7.8%... From: GUEST,Lighter It's like when Ahmadinejad said at the UN it's time to form a non-partisan, international commission to determine exactly who was behind 9/11. He finds it very suspicious that the "leading suspect" was done away with before he had a chance to clear his name. |
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06 Oct 12 - 04:52 PM (#3415573) Subject: RE: BS: Jobless Rate Falls to 7.8%... From: Don Firth Since the high in October of 2009, unemployment has shown a steady downward trend. Hardly what the Right Wingers would like to characterize as a "temporary dip." They'd rather see the whole country go to hell than see Obama succeed at anything. The Republican Congress has sure been working hard at it! If Obama demonstrated that he could walk on water, there are those on this thread who would bitch that he is polluting the seas with his dirty feet. Don Firth |
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06 Oct 12 - 06:25 PM (#3415615) Subject: RE: BS: Jobless Rate Falls to 7.8%... From: Greg F. Sad that so many people think saving Obama is more important than saving the country. No, PeeDee - what's REALLY sad is that so many Republicans and associated fuckwits think that thwarting the President at whatever cost is more important than saving the country. Wake up. |
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07 Oct 12 - 02:10 PM (#3415929) Subject: RE: BS: Jobless Rate Falls to 7.8%... From: Stilly River Sage Agreed, Greg. Their hate and bigotry are behind the thwarting, though they will never admit it, always giving some other excuse. SRS |
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08 Oct 12 - 08:29 AM (#3416281) Subject: RE: BS: Jobless Rate Falls to 7.8%... From: Sawzaw "If Obama demonstrated that he could walk on water, there are those on this thread who would bitch that he is polluting the seas with his dirty feet." Please tell us the likelihood of that happening and we will know the likelihood of people complaining about it. That will also tell us the significance of your assertion. |
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08 Oct 12 - 08:48 AM (#3416289) Subject: RE: BS: Jobless Rate Falls to 7.8%... From: GUEST,999 http://www.factcheck.org/2012/07/obama-romney-surrogates-spin-jobs-data/ I doubt anyone will read the whole article, but maybe . . . |
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08 Oct 12 - 04:58 PM (#3416569) Subject: RE: BS: Jobless Rate Falls to 7.8%... From: Don Firth It's amazing that you would need something like this explained to you, Sawzaw, but the significance of my assertion is that no matter what wonderful and miraculous thing that Barack Obama manages to accomplish, there are people such as you who will try to twist it into a negative of some kind. Well, with you, maybe it's not so amazing. When your mind is clouded with irrational hatred, you tend to have difficulty grasping even the simplest of concepts. Don Firth |
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09 Oct 12 - 12:27 AM (#3416765) Subject: RE: BS: Jobless Rate Falls to 7.8%... From: GUEST,marks(on the road) Have we really gotten to the point where 7.8% is celebrated? It is still a bad deal and I hope not the "new normal." |
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09 Oct 12 - 01:41 AM (#3416774) Subject: RE: BS: Jobless Rate Falls to 7.8%... From: Jack the Sailor >>"Wasserman Schultz, July 8: … all three automakers have actually had record increases in job creation. They had a record June — a month of June, 7,000 auto jobs created. We've — we have begun to move in the right direction." "That's not true. The auto industry did not have "a record June.""<<< She didn't say that The auto industry had "a record June. She said that GM Ford and Chrysler had a record June. Any idiot knows that those three companies are not the whole auto industry. The fact checker is this case is ignoring this fact. I don't know if what she said was true or not. I do know that the lazy asshole Eugene Kiely, does not address the proper statement. |
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09 Oct 12 - 09:33 AM (#3416903) Subject: RE: BS: Jobless Rate Falls to 7.8%... From: Sawzaw "wonderful and miraculous thing that Barack Obama manages to accomplish" How do you know what the outcome will be? Do you have a crystal ball? Let him accomplish some wonderful and miraculous thing and we will know what the reaction is. Until than you are spouting rhetoric like Old Faithful. I am sure that if he does accomplish some wonderful and miraculous thing, people will recognize it and applaud it. You are asserting it as a reason he has not accomplished anything wonderful and miraculous. Fine. Build your life around rhetorical reasoning. That is why you are so happy and satisfied isn't it? |
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09 Oct 12 - 10:15 AM (#3416920) Subject: RE: BS: Jobless Rate Falls to 7.8%... From: Don(Wyziwyg)T Don't keep trying to do logic Sawz, you have absolutely zero talent for it. Mind you, that's about 100% greater than your talent for recognising, let alone acknowledging, facts. Don T. |
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09 Oct 12 - 10:34 AM (#3416931) Subject: RE: BS: Jobless Rate Falls to 7.8%... From: Bobert What Don said... B~ |
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09 Oct 12 - 03:27 PM (#3417074) Subject: RE: BS: Jobless Rate Falls to 7.8%... From: Elmore The jobless rate is not falling as fast as some of the President's poll ratings. I'm really worried. |
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09 Oct 12 - 03:44 PM (#3417087) Subject: RE: BS: Jobless Rate Falls to 7.8%... From: pdq The official jobless rate when Obama took office in January 2009 was 7.8%. It was the same last week: 7.8%. Not much of a drop. |
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09 Oct 12 - 03:58 PM (#3417102) Subject: RE: BS: Jobless Rate Falls to 7.8%... From: Greg F. Ah, yes, PeeDee- but how many jobs were lost & people thrown out of work in the 4 years BEFORE Pres. Obama took office? |
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09 Oct 12 - 03:59 PM (#3417103) Subject: RE: BS: Jobless Rate Falls to 7.8%... From: Greg F. The jobless rate is not falling as fast as some of the President's poll ratings. As I've said before: Always bet on stupidity in the U.S. electorate, Elmore, & you'll rarely lose your money. |
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09 Oct 12 - 05:31 PM (#3417165) Subject: RE: BS: Jobless Rate Falls to 7.8%... From: Bobert I predicted the Romney bounce on another thread and I predict an Obama bounce which will negate it... No worries here... b~ |
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09 Oct 12 - 08:08 PM (#3417217) Subject: RE: BS: Jobless Rate Falls to 7.8%... From: pdq Here is a website with an interactive map of US states and Electoral College results. You can click on 12 of the states (as with "swing states") and it will change the electoral score to match: play the electoral prediction game I said recently that it would be 271 to 269 in favor of Romney, but 269 would have to be a tie. I adjusted the states and got 269 each. I predict a tie. Will Obama declare himself the winner? |
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09 Oct 12 - 08:22 PM (#3417227) Subject: RE: BS: Jobless Rate Falls to 7.8%... From: Bobert A tie would be cool... Maybe they could just go out behind the barn and whoever comes out alive is the winner... I'd give Obama a 7-2 odds to win that one... B~ |
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09 Oct 12 - 08:26 PM (#3417229) Subject: RE: BS: Jobless Rate Falls to 7.8%... From: dick greenhaus THe decline in the latest jobless rate ius somewhat less surprising (and less dramatic) when you consider that the same Bureau had announced that they had overstated the jobless rate for the prededing two months. |
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09 Oct 12 - 08:32 PM (#3417232) Subject: RE: BS: Jobless Rate Falls to 7.8%... From: pdq Obama does Aikido. That is a defensive martial art. I think he will give one electoral vote to DC and declare himself |
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09 Oct 12 - 08:35 PM (#3417234) Subject: RE: BS: Jobless Rate Falls to 7.8%... From: Bobert Do you really think that??? If so, we need to institute drug testing here in the mudpit... B~ |
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09 Oct 12 - 08:35 PM (#3417235) Subject: RE: BS: Jobless Rate Falls to 7.8%... From: Q (Frank Staplin) The IMF forecasts the global jobless rate will remain high as the global economy remains weak. The situation in the U.S. is just part of a picture that will not improve rapidly regardless of who is elected in November. |
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09 Oct 12 - 08:39 PM (#3417237) Subject: RE: BS: Jobless Rate Falls to 7.8%... From: Jack the Sailor Better electoral map. |
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09 Oct 12 - 08:56 PM (#3417245) Subject: RE: BS: Jobless Rate Falls to 7.8%... From: pdq The interactive electoral map I linked to is set where I wanted it. To change the states, click on "Reset Map" in the lower right, west of Florida, and you get the "tossup states" back. Then click on each state you want to reset. When you are happy with the results, click on "Share Map" to keep changes. Food tastes better when you candidate is winning. |
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09 Oct 12 - 09:03 PM (#3417248) Subject: RE: BS: Jobless Rate Falls to 7.8%... From: Bobert I like Jack's map better and it is more than likely more accurate... But a tie and cage fight would be cool, too... Romney still has an ass whup coming for having his buddy, the school wrestler hero, hold a kid down while Romney cut his hair... B~ |
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10 Oct 12 - 03:02 PM (#3417637) Subject: RE: BS: Jobless Rate Falls to 7.8%... From: Stringsinger "The number was invented by government operatives to get Obama across the finish line." This is conspiracy theory bullshit. It's the GOP line these days because they can't stand it when Obama does something right. |
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10 Oct 12 - 04:03 PM (#3417672) Subject: RE: BS: Jobless Rate Falls to 7.8%... From: Charley Noble There's always someone whining about the numbers when they don't like which way they are trending. 7.8% unemployment is still horribly high but it does show improvement. If there is a conspiracy, it's by the large corporations who refuse to reinvest in our domestic economy until the general election results are known, hoping for a Republican sweep, on the backs of our unemployed. Charley Noble, treading water in Brooklyn |
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10 Oct 12 - 09:19 PM (#3417865) Subject: RE: BS: Jobless Rate Falls to 7.8%... From: Sawzaw Well Well Well. Here is the infallible Mr Obama's offishul projected unemployment rates. How his stimulus plan was going to save us. The actual unemployment rate with the stimulus is worse than what he predicted without the stimulus. Heckuva job there Barry. No Brag, Just Fact. |
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10 Oct 12 - 09:23 PM (#3417867) Subject: RE: BS: Jobless Rate Falls to 7.8%... From: Stilly River Sage I guess you can't read charts, Sawz. Look again. |
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11 Oct 12 - 09:16 AM (#3418067) Subject: RE: BS: Jobless Rate Falls to 7.8%... From: Greg F. SawzAll: Blow me. (In the spirit of the temporarily under the weather Catspaw) |
