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20 Oct 12 - 08:12 PM (#3423255) Subject: Origins: Taking Nelson Home From: bradfordian Taking Nelson Home Any info on this please? |
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20 Oct 12 - 08:29 PM (#3423263) Subject: RE: Origins: Taking Nelson Home From: Stewie I have not heard that one before, but there is also a different song by Mike O'Connor titled 'Carrying Nelson Home' about which there are plenty of threads in the forum under various titles - Carrying/Bringing Nelson Home, Sing Me A Shanty. --Stewie. |
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20 Oct 12 - 08:55 PM (#3423279) Subject: RE: Origins: Taking Nelson Home From: Leadfingers On the web site of this Shanty Crew are a couple of phone numbers - Ask them ! |
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21 Oct 12 - 02:43 AM (#3423377) Subject: RE: Origins: Taking Nelson Home From: MGM·Lion Just a note on this thread too for TRAFALGAR DAY |
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21 Oct 12 - 02:09 PM (#3423683) Subject: RE: Origins: Taking Nelson Home From: bradfordian A note here from a member of "Nelson's Shantymen" who sing the song. "Thank you for your interest in Nelson's Shantymen. I am pleased to hear that your colleague choose to sing the song Taking Nelson Home, it's a great song and always go down well with us . The origins of the song, i sorry but cannot really help you with. I have tried to research it but no luck. We picked it out of a Sea shanty book and thought it would be a great number for us as we are Nelson's Shantymen base here at Burnham Thorpe which was the birth place of Lord Horatio Nelson. Our CD Singing for Victory has just been put onto iTunes for download or if you would like the CD it's self you could send me a cheque Made payable to Nelson's Shantymen, with your address and I could send you a copy. Price is £8.00 + £1.00 p&p" Nelson's Shantymen |
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23 Oct 12 - 12:54 PM (#3424849) Subject: RE: Origins: Taking Nelson Home From: GUEST,bradfordian "Taking Nelson Home was written by Ian (Pedla) Palmer of Jenkins Ear about 2 years ago." This note from "Peter" of Jenkins Ear A link to Jenkins Ear is referenced by Leadfingers above bradfordian |
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23 Oct 12 - 05:10 PM (#3425029) Subject: RE: Origins: Taking Nelson Home From: Commander Crabbe Courtesy of Wikipedia Following his death at Trafalgar. Nelson's body was placed in a cask of brandy mixed with camphor and myrrh, which was then lashed to the Victory's mainmast and placed under guard. Victory was towed to Gibraltar after the battle, and on arrival the body was transferred to a lead-lined coffin filled with spirits of wine. Collingwood's dispatches about the battle were carried to England aboard HMS Pickle, and when the news arrived in London, a messenger was sent to Merton Place to bring the news of Nelson's death to Emma Hamilton. She later recalled, They brought me word, Mr Whitby from the Admiralty. "Show him in directly", I said. He came in, and with a pale countenance and faint voice, said, "We have gained a great Victory." – "Never mind your Victory", I said. "My letters – give me my letters" – Captain Whitby was unable to speak – tears in his eyes and a deathly paleness over his face made me comprehend him. I believe I gave a scream and fell back, and for ten hours I could neither speak nor shed a tear. King George III, on receiving the news, is alleged to have said, in tears, "We have lost more than we have gained." The Times reported We do not know whether we should mourn or rejoice. The country has gained the most splendid and decisive Victory that has ever graced the naval annals of England; but it has been dearly purchased. The first tribute to Nelson was fittingly offered at sea by sailors of Vice-Admiral Dmitry Senyavin's passing Russian squadron, which saluted on learning of the death. Nelson's body was unloaded from the Victory at the Nore. It was conveyed up-river in Commander Grey's yacht Chatham to Greenwich and placed in a lead coffin, and that in another wooden one, made from the mast of L'Orient which had been salvaged after the Battle of the Nile. He lay in state in the Painted Hall at Greenwich for three days, before being taken up river aboard a barge, accompanied by Lord Hood, chief mourner Sir Peter Parker, and the Prince of Wales. The Prince of Wales at first announced his intention to attend the funeral as chief mourner, but later attended in a private capacity with his brothers when his father George III reminded him that it was against protocol for the Heir to the Throne to attend the funerals of anyone except members of the Royal Family. The coffin was taken into the Admiralty for the night, attended by Nelson's chaplain, Alexander Scott. The next day, 9 January, a funeral procession consisting of 32 admirals, over a hundred captains, and an escort of 10,000 soldiers took the coffin from the Admiralty to St Paul's Cathedral. After a four-hour service he was interred within a sarcophagus originally carved for Cardinal Wolsey. The sailors charged with folding the flag draping Nelson's coffin and placing it in the grave instead tore it into fragments, with each taking a piece as a memento. The term "Nelson's Blood" refers to rum. As it was affectionately known as by Royal Navy sailors. From the notion that he was preserved not in a brandy barrel but in a rum barrel for the journey home. Chris (ex Survey Branch and occasional "Rum Rat") |
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03 Oct 15 - 06:04 AM (#3741474) Subject: Lyr Add: TAKING NELSON HOME (Ian Palmer) From: GUEST,Bradfordian Taking Nelson Home by Jenkins Ear Shantymen The following is a transcription from the video so may not be 100% accurate TAKING NELSON HOME (Ian Palmer) He came on board in a brandy cask, we're taking Nelson home Sailors bending to their tasks, we're taking Nelson home Billy Ruffians homeward bound, take him to his burial ground Taking Nelson home, we're taking Nelson home We stowed him down in the hold below, we're taking Nelson home We're outward bound and we'll roll and go, we're taking Nelson home Billy Ruffians homeward bound, take him to his burial ground Taking Nelson home, we're taking Nelson home North by west we sailed away, we're taking Nelson home Nelson's blood is the drink I crave, we're taking Nelson home Billy Ruffians homeward bound, take him to his burial ground Taking Nelson home, we're taking Nelson home Our harbour lights we saw at last, we're taking Nelson home Our standard's flying at half mast, we're taking Nelson home Billy Ruffians homeward bound, take him to his burial ground Taking Nelson home, we're taking Nelson home We carry him ashore in his brandy cask, we're taking Nelson home On England's shore he'll rest at last, we're taking Nelson home Billy Ruffians homeward bound, take him to his burial ground Taking Nelson home, we're taking Nelson home Billy Ruffians homeward bound, take him to his burial ground Taking Nelson home, we're taking Nelson home. Also note that in another later youtube video, the same group change the phrase (and song title) "we're taking Nelson home" to "carrying Nelson home" So you may take your choice (I prefer the former) Might be something to consider for the forthcoming Trafalgar Day eh? Bradfordian |
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03 Oct 15 - 08:51 AM (#3741491) Subject: RE: Origins: Taking Nelson Home From: Keith A of Hertford Daily ruffians? Could this be a mondegreen for the Bellerephon crew? It was known as the Billy Ruffian and her crew as Billy Ruffians It and Belleisle accompanied Victory on Nelson's last trip.
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03 Oct 15 - 08:07 PM (#3741626) Subject: RE: Origins: Taking Nelson Home From: GUEST,Bradfordian I was a little too impetuous to get the song posted. Of course "daily roughians" don't scan. Anyways, I now understand it to be "Weary roughians" And if Joe Clone could just amend the lyrics above-- that would keep it nice 'n' tidy. Ta. bradfordian |
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04 Oct 15 - 12:45 AM (#3741641) Subject: RE: Origins: Taking Nelson Home From: MGM·Lion There is in fact no such word in Chambers, or any other dictionary I have consulted, as 'roughian'; the word 'ruffian', meaning a lout or trouble-maker, does not seem to derive fron 'rough' [tho it might have formed a sort of folk-etymological connection thru similarity of sound], and its derivation is unknown according to Chambers. I think that Keith's suggestion above of "Billy Ruffian", as indicating a member of the crew of the Bellerephon, known humorously among the fleet as the Billy Ruffian, is a good one. ≈M≈ |
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04 Oct 15 - 01:53 PM (#3741752) Subject: RE: Origins: Taking Nelson Home From: GUEST,Bradfodian I accept that my vocabulary was caught short for a second time, Michael! and thank you and Keith for pointing the error of my ways. It's good to get things correct, that's why we put ourselves up here -- we have many learned members to keep us on our toes. bradfordian ( must do better, reflect and check the detail--- no short cuts, eh?) |