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22 Oct 12 - 08:49 AM (#3424082) Subject: BS: Mexico's Atlantic Coastline? From: GUEST,Tunesmith On UK's quiz-show "Pointless", the following question was asked a few days ago "Name a country in the Americas with a coastline on the Atlantic Ocean?" The first answer given by a contestant was "Mexico". That answer was deemed to be correct. Would any Americans or Mexicans out there also consider this to be correct? |
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22 Oct 12 - 10:26 AM (#3424119) Subject: RE: BS: Mexico's Atlantic Coastline? From: MMario technically yes, the Gulf of Mexico is a part of the Atlantic Ocean. |
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22 Oct 12 - 10:33 AM (#3424121) Subject: RE: BS: Mexico's Atlantic Coastline? From: GUEST,Tunesmith But would anyone - ever - seriously say that New Orleans is on the Atlantic Ocean? |
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22 Oct 12 - 10:40 AM (#3424126) Subject: RE: BS: Mexico's Atlantic Coastline? From: GUEST,Tunesmith In the British Isles, the Irish Sea and the North Sea are clearly arms of the Atlantic Ocean, but if anyone suggested that Newcastle, Liverpool etc have an Atlantic Ocean coastline they would surely be considered incorrect. BTW, as all bodies of water flow into other bodies of water, is it clearly defined, for example, where the Atlantic Ocean ends and the Indian Ocean begins? |
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22 Oct 12 - 10:42 AM (#3424128) Subject: RE: BS: Mexico's Atlantic Coastline? From: MMario Just because it isn't used doesn't make it false. a gulf is "gulf - an arm of a sea or ocean partly enclosed by land; larger than a bay" |
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22 Oct 12 - 10:47 AM (#3424133) Subject: RE: BS: Mexico's Atlantic Coastline? From: GUEST,Tunesmith Yes, but if a gulf is an arm of a sea, then that sea is probably part of an ocean,and therefore, there are no seas and gulfs and bays, only oceans. Apart, maybe, for the Mediteranean Sea. Or is that part of the Atlantic Ocean? |
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22 Oct 12 - 10:51 AM (#3424135) Subject: RE: BS: Mexico's Atlantic Coastline? From: bobad From Wikipedia - FWIW: "A sea is a large body of saline water that may be connected with an ocean or may be a large saline lake that, like the Caspian Sea, lacks a natural outlet. Sometimes the terms sea and ocean are used synonymously.[1]The Mediterranean Sea's area is 1,144,800 square miles. The average depth is 4,688 feet. The Mediterranean Sea is located in the Atlantic Ocean." |
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22 Oct 12 - 10:51 AM (#3424136) Subject: RE: BS: Mexico's Atlantic Coastline? From: MMario boundaries of the three major oceans The fourth ocean is the Artic; the newest is the Southern Ocean - created by fiat in 2000. |
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22 Oct 12 - 10:57 AM (#3424141) Subject: RE: BS: Mexico's Atlantic Coastline? From: bobad It seems that seas and gulfs are sub-divisions of oceans usually but not always defined by their relationship to adjoining land mass. |
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22 Oct 12 - 11:17 AM (#3424155) Subject: RE: BS: Mexico's Atlantic Coastline? From: GUEST,Tunesmith Yes, but all the main bodies of water on the planet are interlinked! Therefore, one could claim that the Artic Ocean is an arm of the Antlantic Ocean! And, so is the Indian Ocean - or is it vice versa? If 90% plus of the population of New Orleans don't consider themselves to have an Atlantic Ocean coastline - then they don't! No matter what someone says is a - man determined - technically correct situation. If you don't agree, then why not say France is part of Asia! Why, because the identification/naming of land-masses - like oceans/seas etc - is something man has determined. |
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22 Oct 12 - 11:44 AM (#3424178) Subject: RE: BS: Mexico's Atlantic Coastline? From: Ebbie The waters of the Panama Canal must really confuse you. :) |
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22 Oct 12 - 12:19 PM (#3424202) Subject: RE: BS: Mexico's Atlantic Coastline? From: artbrooks One assumes that the quiz show participant...if not everyone else here...realizes that Mexico also has a coastline on the Atlantic but not on the Gulf of Mexico. |
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22 Oct 12 - 12:33 PM (#3424212) Subject: RE: BS: Mexico's Atlantic Coastline? From: MMario But that is on the Caribbean Sea - so the same arguments would work as for the Gulf of Mexico. Tunesmith - the seperation of the world ocean into the five recognized oceans is a legal definition. And as I mentioned earlier, legally the "Southern Ocean" has only existed since 2000. Some oceonographers consider the arctic Ocean to be an estuary arm of the Atlantic. |
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22 Oct 12 - 12:37 PM (#3424216) Subject: RE: BS: Mexico's Atlantic Coastline? From: MMario Interesting link regarding the "seven seas" |
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22 Oct 12 - 12:39 PM (#3424218) Subject: RE: BS: Mexico's Atlantic Coastline? From: GUEST,Tunesmith MMario, legal according to whom? Because if the majority of the world have problems with parts of that definition, then legal or not, it is incorrect! |
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22 Oct 12 - 12:44 PM (#3424220) Subject: RE: BS: Mexico's Atlantic Coastline? From: MMario the International Hydrographic Organization There are |
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22 Oct 12 - 12:51 PM (#3424225) Subject: RE: BS: Mexico's Atlantic Coastline? From: Bill D All very interesting, but I think Brazil would have been a 'better' answer. |
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22 Oct 12 - 12:54 PM (#3424226) Subject: RE: BS: Mexico's Atlantic Coastline? From: GUEST,Tunesmith According to these experts, the Black Sea is part of the Atlantic Ocean! Really? What have those people been smoking? |
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23 Oct 12 - 12:15 AM (#3424565) Subject: RE: BS: Mexico's Atlantic Coastline? From: Ebbie "Some oceonographers consider the arctic Ocean to be an estuary arm of the Atlantic." Why not consider the Arctic Ocean to be part as well of the Pacific Ocean? |
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23 Oct 12 - 04:01 AM (#3424602) Subject: RE: BS: Mexico's Atlantic Coastline? From: GUEST,999 Katharine Lee Bates agreed in 1893. If she hadn't, the line would have been "From sea to shining sea to shining sea." |
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23 Oct 12 - 04:27 AM (#3424614) Subject: RE: BS: Mexico's Atlantic Coastline? From: Joe Offer I discovered the Tyrrhenian sea this last summer. It's on the west coast of Italy, one of the many subdivisions of the Mediterranean sea. Wikipedia has a long list of seas that are subdivisions of the Mediterranean. The only two that I "believe" in are the Adriatic and the Aegean. -Joe- |
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23 Oct 12 - 05:27 AM (#3424630) Subject: RE: BS: Mexico's Atlantic Coastline? From: MMario Ebbie , probably because the connection of the Artic with the Atlantic is broad, and the connection with the Pacific is comparitivly very narrow. Also, the major OUT-flow from the arctic is INTO the Atlantic. |
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23 Oct 12 - 08:25 AM (#3424693) Subject: RE: BS: Mexico's Atlantic Coastline? From: GUEST,Tunesmith The more I think about this, the dafter it gets. For example, the correct answer to the following question:- " On what body of water does Venice, Italy stand?" could be, "The Atlantic Ocean"! Pleae tell me that you think such an answer wouldn't be helpful ... or true! |
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23 Oct 12 - 11:24 AM (#3424785) Subject: RE: BS: Mexico's Atlantic Coastline? From: GUEST,999 Italy is not on/in the Atlantic. Nor is Mexico in/on the Atlantic. However, most people can't locate their arses with two hands and a mirror let alone obscure places like Iran, China and Canada. This thread had me looking at a few Youtube interviews (person on the street type things) and the ignorance of the average person shocks me. These people actually vote for our political leaders. "Name a country that starts with the letter U." Two answers were Utah and Yugoslavia, I kid you not. I think if the interviewer had continued he would have also received Europe. Not one person in the video said United States or Uruguay. I was dumbfounded. |
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23 Oct 12 - 01:31 PM (#3424879) Subject: RE: BS: Mexico's Atlantic Coastline? From: McGrath of Harlow Looking at a map it seems perfectly reasonable to see the Gulf of Mexico and Caribbean Sea as part of the Atlantic Ocean in the same way the North Sea AND the Channelmare part of the Atlantic. Unlike the Mediterranean Sea they not linked to the wider ocean by a narrow strait but by wide stretches of water, almost as wide as the seas that link the North and South Atlantic. |
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23 Oct 12 - 02:07 PM (#3424903) Subject: RE: BS: Mexico's Atlantic Coastline? From: GUEST,999 Custom enters the picture, too. Ask Canadians who live on the shores of Hudson Bay or James Bay if they live on the shores of the Arctic Ocean and they would look at you very puzzled. |
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23 Oct 12 - 02:17 PM (#3424916) Subject: RE: BS: Mexico's Atlantic Coastline? From: McGrath of Harlow They'd be right to. The link between Hudson Bay and the Arctic Ocean is even narrower than the Straits of Gibraltar. |
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23 Oct 12 - 02:22 PM (#3424918) Subject: RE: BS: Mexico's Atlantic Coastline? From: GUEST,JTS I am puzzled. I was always sure that Hudson and Baffin bays are part of the Atlantic. I'm pretty sure we were taught that in school. Looking at the map and watching the flow of sea traffic it make sense to me. |
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23 Oct 12 - 02:36 PM (#3424924) Subject: RE: BS: Mexico's Atlantic Coastline? From: GUEST,999 I agree with you both that being part of the Atlantic makes sense. I too was taught that in school. Seems we were taught wrong. http://atlas.nrcan.gc.ca/site/english/maps/environment/hydrology/watershed/1 Look about 1/2 way down that page. |
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23 Oct 12 - 03:02 PM (#3424938) Subject: RE: BS: Mexico's Atlantic Coastline? From: GUEST,Tunesmith Yes!!!! But aren't we taught that New Orleans is on the Gulf? Or are we taught that New Orleans is on the Gulf which is really part of the Atlantic Ocean? BTW, the Mediterannean Sea owes its existence to the Atlantic Ocean i.e. Africa was once joined to Spain by a land bridge, but, at some times during a period when sea levels rose, the land bridge was breached and the Mediterannean sea was created - or at least enlarged greatly. |
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23 Oct 12 - 03:07 PM (#3424942) Subject: RE: BS: Mexico's Atlantic Coastline? From: gnu The obvious answer is Canuckistan. |
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23 Oct 12 - 03:09 PM (#3424944) Subject: RE: BS: Mexico's Atlantic Coastline? From: McGrath of Harlow I think they reckon the Med is the remains of what they call the Tethys Sea, which was there before the Atlantic Ocean opened up. Actually all the Oceans link up, and can be seen as part of one great World Ocean. Where we draw the lines between them is basically a matter of convention and convenience. |
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23 Oct 12 - 04:11 PM (#3424999) Subject: RE: BS: Mexico's Atlantic Coastline? From: GUEST,jts keeping in mind that it is a gameshow, based on polling, I would think that the answer would be acceptable. |
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23 Oct 12 - 04:24 PM (#3425003) Subject: RE: BS: Mexico's Atlantic Coastline? From: GUEST,Tunesmith Well, this game show is based on questions that have been put to a random selection of the public. Then the contestants in the Tv studio have to find an answer that the public didn't come with ( i.e. pointless) Now, if someone had asked me to name an obscure American country with an Atlantic coastline, then I would never have said Mexico because I would have thought that a) it is very well-known country, and b) most people - I would have thought - would have considered it to be on the Gulf. Likewise, if the question was, "Name a famous musical city beginning with the letter "L" that is situated on the Atlantic coast", I would never have said Liverpool; although, that answer would have been technically correct. |
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23 Oct 12 - 10:00 PM (#3425158) Subject: RE: BS: Mexico's Atlantic Coastline? From: gnu OR... it's orchastrated... written... contrived... to create contoversy? IF so, they are getting their money's worth. |