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05 Nov 12 - 07:58 PM (#3431587) Subject: Copyright status on some lullabies From: GUEST,mg This is for the lullaby cd for traumatized children. I know I should do a search myself but I am very short of time and perhaps others have researched these already...could you please let me know if there are copyright holders, legitimate ones, not ones that changed a few words and stole the songs...well, tell me about those too. Please and thank you. ar hyd y nos wind of western sea October winds lavendar blue coulter's candy ban breen (one Paddy sang at Rainycamp) snow one (David, this is the one you sang at Rainycamp) baloo balerie Oh..the Russian one about blue skies...I a pretty sure there would be by our rules but perhaps they ahve different rules. |
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05 Nov 12 - 08:37 PM (#3431594) Subject: RE: Copyright status on some lullabies From: Bert Not an answer to your question, but you might be interested in Terry Woodford's work with lullabies. Here |
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06 Nov 12 - 04:43 AM (#3431690) Subject: RE: Copyright status on some lullabies From: Nigel Parsons from This thread: The tune was first recorded in the Musical Relics Of The Welsh Bards (c. 1784). The Welsh words are by the prolific poet John Ceiriog Hughes (1832-1887). So clearly words & music both out of copyright (UK Rules) Sweet & Low (wind of the westen sea) words by Alfred Lord Tennyson (d.1892) so the words at least are out of copyright. |
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06 Nov 12 - 04:55 AM (#3431695) Subject: RE: Copyright status on some lullabies From: Nigel Parsons This Messgae Lists the contents of the popular Sheet Music archive, with the assumption that anything therein is out of copyright. Sweet And Low is on that list, so, presumably, out of copyright. |
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06 Nov 12 - 05:29 AM (#3431707) Subject: RE: Copyright status on some lullabies From: MMario Lavender Blue is another out of copyright. |
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06 Nov 12 - 12:05 PM (#3431852) Subject: RE: Copyright status on some lullabies From: Q (Frank Staplin) Baloo baleerie (Bressay Lullaby) "was collected in 1951 by the American folklorist Alan Lomax from a recording in the BBC Glasgow archives made on January 22, 1949 on the Shetland island of Bressay. An English version "Go Away, Little Fairies" has been published" [Carlin, Richard, 1985, The Lullaby Book, Amsco Publications]. Above from Wikipedia. I would guess that the Carlin translation is copyright, and I would suspect that anything published by Alan Lomax is copyright. I had heard this song on a recording recently (Twinkle Trax; this recording also presumably copyright), and looked for information. Yes, I know this doesn't answer the question; but the above may interest lullaby collectors. |
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06 Nov 12 - 01:06 PM (#3431888) Subject: RE: Copyright status on some lullabies From: GUEST,mg Thanks..bad news about Baloo Baleerie..that is one of the key songs...but I suspect it is much older...mg |
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06 Nov 12 - 01:36 PM (#3431902) Subject: RE: Copyright status on some lullabies From: GUEST,leeneia MG, I think I learned 'Baloo Baleerie' and 'Lavender's Blue' from the book 'Folk Songs of England, Ireland, Scotland & Wales' by William Cole. That's pretty famous book, and your local library may have it. You could look up the lullabies in it and see if they are public domain or not. I have a Lutheran hymnal with Ar Hyd a Nos in it, and the only credit they give is "Welsh". That has to mean it's public domain, because in other cases they list copyright data. |
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06 Nov 12 - 01:48 PM (#3431911) Subject: RE: Copyright status on some lullabies From: McGrath of Harlow I can't quite envisage why the copyright status of any lullaby could be relevant when it is being sung in a situation that is appropriate to lullabies. |
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06 Nov 12 - 02:04 PM (#3431923) Subject: RE: Copyright status on some lullabies From: GUEST,mg It is to produce a CD that is infinitely copyable so we can not have any chance of lawyers coming after us because someone copyrighted rockaby baby..which they would have probably stolen from public ownership unless ownership is known. mg |
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06 Nov 12 - 03:09 PM (#3431970) Subject: RE: Copyright status on some lullabies From: GUEST,mg Does anyone have this Cole book and would you be able to check out the copyright status? What I saw from googling the book said Trad, with a Namouth?? listed after trad... Does anyone know what year the Cole book was published? |
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06 Nov 12 - 03:43 PM (#3431984) Subject: RE: Copyright status on some lullabies From: Jack Campin Google finds a reference to Cole's book as published by Hansen in 1961. |
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10 Dec 13 - 07:54 PM (#3583123) Subject: RE: Copyright status on Coulter's Candy From: GUEST Please respond to Dianna Genning at: gammonmackinnon@diannahenning.com I've written a book. It will soon be available. I need to know if Coulter's Candy is in the public domain. Thank you. |
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10 Dec 13 - 08:00 PM (#3583124) Subject: RE: Copyright status on some lullabies From: Jack Campin Look it up in Ewan McVicar's "Doh Ray Me When I Was Wee". There is a chapter on it. The story is not at all straightforward. |
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11 Dec 13 - 04:38 AM (#3583199) Subject: RE: Copyright status on some lullabies From: Howard Jones You probably need a Limited Manufacture licence from MCPS, this will cover royalties for any copyright works and shouldn't be very expensive. Or if you send them your track list with as much information as you know they will tell you what royalties, if any, are due, which might work out even cheaper if most are non-copyright. If they're all non-copyright you won't pay anything. |
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11 Dec 13 - 01:25 PM (#3583334) Subject: RE: Copyright status on some lullabies From: Q (Frank Staplin) Baloo Baleerie- Several sites show or list sheet music labelled "Traditional," also a choral arrangement. But be careful of copyright adaptations and arrangements. Coulter's Candy was written by Robert Coltard, 1832-1880 (Song also called Ally bally bee). See Wikipedia. |
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11 Dec 13 - 01:41 PM (#3583338) Subject: RE: Copyright status on some lullabies From: Jim McLean Sean McCarthy, the Irish folk song writer, once apologised to me for stealing my tune Coulter's Candy. I didn't enlighten him, just let him buy me a few drinks! |