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27 Jan 13 - 10:54 AM (#3472032) Subject: Tune Req: Woody's tune sources From: Stringsinger Our friend Adam Miller is in the process of looking for tune sources for Woody's songs. I'm getting a list of those he wants to find out. For example: "This Land is Your Land."...........Carter Family's "When the World's on Fire" "Jesus Christ".........................................................."Jesse James" "So Long, It's Been Good To Know You".................. "Billy the Kid" "Roll On Columbia"..................................................."Irene, Goodnight" "Goin' Down the Road Feelin' Bad" "Chilly Winds" "Pastures of Plenty".................................................."Pretty Polly" Any suggestions would be helpful and useful. Thanks |
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27 Jan 13 - 10:59 AM (#3472034) Subject: RE: Tune Req: Woody's tune sources From: Stringsinger "I Ain't Got No Home in this World Anymore"......Hymn of the same name. "Go to Sleep you Weary Hobo" (Hobo's Lullaby) ..."Just Before the Battle Mother" |
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27 Jan 13 - 11:06 AM (#3472036) Subject: RE: Tune Req: Woody's tune sources From: GUEST,Frank, |
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27 Jan 13 - 11:12 AM (#3472040) Subject: RE: Tune Req: Woody's tune sources From: GUEST,999 When Guthrie did it they were tune sources. When Dylan did it it was plagiarism. The time's they are a-changing . . . |
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27 Jan 13 - 11:15 AM (#3472041) Subject: RE: Tune Req: Woody's tune sources From: GUEST,Fred McCormick Tom Joad = John Hardy |
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27 Jan 13 - 11:16 AM (#3472043) Subject: RE: Tune Req: Woody's tune sources From: Stringsinger Any legitimate folk song that goes through "aural transmission" is plagiarized from somewhere. These tunes are called "variants". |
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27 Jan 13 - 11:19 AM (#3472048) Subject: RE: Tune Req: Woody's tune sources From: GUEST,999 Depends who y'ask on Mudcat. I'm aware of aural transmission, Frank. However, when the melody of a variant song is copyighted the field changes a little, no? |
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27 Jan 13 - 11:19 AM (#3472049) Subject: RE: Tune Req: Woody's tune sources From: Stringsinger For example, Dylan's "Masters of War"........................."Nottingham Town" sung by Jean Ritchie. "With God on our Side"............................................"Patriot Game" or even earlier, "One Morning In May" |
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27 Jan 13 - 11:23 AM (#3472052) Subject: RE: Tune Req: Woody's tune sources From: GUEST,999 Uh huh. |
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27 Jan 13 - 11:28 AM (#3472056) Subject: RE: Tune Req: Woody's tune sources From: dick greenhaus 1913 Massacre.............One Morning in May. re. copyright: TeWoody Guthrie Foundation has the tunes to all of Guthrie's songs copyrighted, and seems eager to defend these claims. |
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27 Jan 13 - 11:34 AM (#3472061) Subject: RE: Tune Req: Woody's tune sources From: Ebbie Philadelphia Lawyer - what's the name of the song that tells the story of 'Willie' who on a moonlit walk 'plunges his knife into her breast'? (I know, I know- that song and a hundred others. But I do know the words to this one.) Union Maid - Red Wing |
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27 Jan 13 - 11:45 AM (#3472067) Subject: RE: Tune Req: Woody's tune sources From: Stringsinger Ebbie, thanks, good start. Dick, the Woody archives can't copyright PD tunes. Only lyrics. They couldn't make that stick in court. Ebbie, it's interesting that the "Frozen Logger" is the same tune for "Philadelphia Lawyer". I don't think that the Logger song was a source as it was written later. |
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27 Jan 13 - 11:56 AM (#3472072) Subject: RE: Tune Req: Woody's tune sources From: GUEST,Fred McCormick Ramblin' Round = Goodnight Irene Jolly Banker = Molly Malone Vigilante Man = Careless Love (just) I ain't got no home in this world anymore = I Can't feel at home in this world anymore There's stacks and stacks more, but that's about all I can recall at the moment. |
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27 Jan 13 - 12:09 PM (#3472076) Subject: RE: Tune Req: Woody's tune sources From: Mark Ross Do-Re-Mi= Hang Out The Front Door Key I always thought that Woody had actually written this one, but then I heard a recording of HOTFDK and realized where he go the tune. Mark Ross |
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27 Jan 13 - 05:50 PM (#3472199) Subject: RE: Tune Req: Woody's tune sources From: mayomick Pretty Boy Floyd - Stagolee ? |
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27 Jan 13 - 08:52 PM (#3472259) Subject: RE: Tune Req: Woody's tune sources From: PHJim Good Reuben James - Wildwood Flower with a bridge added (Tell me what were their names...) Although Stringsinger said the source for This Land Is Your Land was Carter Family's "When the World's on Fire", I had always assumed that it was "Little Darling Pal O'Mine". They are very close. |
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27 Jan 13 - 11:46 PM (#3472302) Subject: RE: Tune Req: Woody's tune sources From: Bob the Postman "Ludlow Massacre" from the Carters' "No Depression". |
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28 Jan 13 - 12:17 PM (#3472519) Subject: RE: Tune Req: Woody's tune sources From: 12-stringer Philadelphia Lawyer = Jealous Lover/Pearl Bryan Hobo's Lullaby = written by Goebel Reeves, not WG Dust Bowl Refugee = sounds just like Low and Lonely, but, curiously, recorded a couple of years earlier than the Acuff hit (did Fred Rose lift the melody from WG, or are both knocking off an earlier source?). Jackhammer Blues (or Jackhammer John) and Big City Ways = Browns Ferry Blues (Alton Delmore) Lindbergh = White House Blues From Baltimore to Washington = Cannon Ball Blues (Carter Family) Grand Coulee Dam/Farmer Labor Train = Wabash Cannonball New York Town = One Dime Blues (Blind Lemon Jefferson), though it's more a cover than a new composition Reckless Talk = Careless Love |
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28 Jan 13 - 02:00 PM (#3472562) Subject: RE: Tune Req: Woody's tune sources From: greg stephens It's a long-standing tradition. Ebbie pointed out that Union Maid borrowed the tune Redwing. Well, Kerry Mills, the composer of Redwing, actually pinched it from Schumann's Merry Peasant.Bit of research might throw up who Schumann got it from! |
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28 Jan 13 - 03:35 PM (#3472603) Subject: RE: Tune Req: Woody's tune sources From: dick greenhaus Woody did have a remarkable talent for picking tunes to his verses. |
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29 Jan 13 - 03:22 PM (#3473151) Subject: RE: Tune Req: Woody's tune sources From: Stringsinger Thanks everyone. Y'all came up with some good 'uns. |