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08 Feb 13 - 03:56 PM (#3477254) Subject: Where can I buy Horsemeat. UK. From: Stanron After the BSE crisis in 1997 (?) I have avoided all foods of a bovine nature. It seems now that horse meat has been used as a covert cheap beef substitute. Any chance of buying some as a overt cheap meat substitute? |
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08 Feb 13 - 04:28 PM (#3477263) Subject: RE: Where can I buy Horsemeat. UK. From: Jack Campin I expect my cats will suddenly develop very different preferences between brands and flavours of catfood than they used to. |
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08 Feb 13 - 04:30 PM (#3477264) Subject: RE: Where can I buy Horsemeat. UK. From: GUEST,999 "Where can I buy Horsemeat." I think you have to go to shops that sell beef. Buy the stuff that's called beef. Voila. Bon appetit. |
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08 Feb 13 - 04:44 PM (#3477267) Subject: RE: Where can I buy Horsemeat. UK. From: Georgiansilver I do think that it was wrong to pass horse meat off as beef.... but they keep using the word "Contaminated"..... The food is not poisoned for heavens sake..... horse meat is edible! I eat horse meat every time I go to Paris... or Amiens for the Rederie! As for disposing of the 'contaminated' meat... why not send it in bulk to the starving in Africa..... it is edible and high in protein!!!! Feed the world!!!! |
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08 Feb 13 - 04:45 PM (#3477269) Subject: RE: Where can I buy Horsemeat. UK. From: Richard Bridge Hear hear! |
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08 Feb 13 - 04:50 PM (#3477271) Subject: RE: Where can I buy Horsemeat. UK. From: Deckman Here in North America (USA), back in 1944, I well remember eating horsemeat ... and we were darned glad to get it. I was a youngster then, still am in some ways, and all of our food was rationed. Beef meat was very difficult to get, and very limited and expensive. So was coffee, sugar, tires, gasoline and many other things. This was during WW2. One day Dad came home from the butcher shop with some ground meat. It was quite coursely ground. I remember that my mother made a chili of it. Days later my brother and I learned it was really horsemeat. And ... we also learned that the local town burcher had added sawdust, from his butcher shop floor, as an "extender" to the meat. This butcher was driven out of town, (Burien, Washington) and his home was burned to the ground. Early vigilante justice. bob(deckman)nelson |
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08 Feb 13 - 04:57 PM (#3477272) Subject: RE: Where can I buy Horsemeat. UK. From: GUEST Jack Campin buy them a bit of fish, old tight arse. I gave up food in the 80's lived ever since on sunshine n marmite,and the odd banana,very odd ones.Try quorn, some must like it because every veggie isle is stacked with the stuff. |
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08 Feb 13 - 05:00 PM (#3477273) Subject: RE: Where can I buy Horsemeat. UK. From: John MacKenzie I believe there's a horse meat butcher in Edinburgh |
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08 Feb 13 - 05:02 PM (#3477275) Subject: RE: Where can I buy Horsemeat. UK. From: John MacKenzie There is at least a restaurant that serves horse meat. |
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08 Feb 13 - 06:59 PM (#3477320) Subject: RE: Where can I buy Horsemeat. UK. From: Leadfingers I understand there is a drug used for horses than CAN be dodgy for Us if it gets into the food chain , so make sure IF you are buying Horse that it has been correctly sourced ! |
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08 Feb 13 - 07:48 PM (#3477342) Subject: RE: Where can I buy Horsemeat. UK. From: McGrath of Harlow It's contaminated if it's not what it's supposed to be. If you were buying horsemeat and it turned out to be cow, that'd be contaminated. |
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08 Feb 13 - 08:48 PM (#3477364) Subject: RE: Where can I buy Horsemeat. UK. From: Rapparee Go to the Derby, check the losers. |
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09 Feb 13 - 03:40 AM (#3477419) Subject: RE: Where can I buy Horsemeat. UK. From: Penny S. When I was young I was sent off to get cats' meat from a shop in an archway under a road in Folkestone, and understood it to be horse. It was not a shop I would have wanted to buy meat for human consumption in, and the meat came with purple ink on it to show it wasn't for us. Odd, really, that we have this attitude that we don't want to eat horse for some taboo, but it's OK for cats. |
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09 Feb 13 - 03:42 AM (#3477420) Subject: RE: Where can I buy Horsemeat. UK. From: Penny S. Incidentally, I saw the stage version of War Horse this week, and the programme notes said that the remaining horses at the end of the war were sold off for meat - and I wondered at the time if that were an influence on the British attitude to eating them. Penny |
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09 Feb 13 - 04:42 AM (#3477427) Subject: RE: Where can I buy Horsemeat. UK. From: GUEST,Eliza Horses are given phenylbutazone as a treatment for arthritis and other inflammatory diseases. This drug can accumulate in the system and cause ulceration, kidney damage, and internal bleeding in the horse, or in anyone who eats the meat. 'Clandestine' horse meat or products in wrongly labelled food is hardly likely to have been tested for 'bute'. In Britain over the last hundred years, horses slaughtered for meat were generally the old and/or sick ones. They were probably riddled with worms, diseases of various kinds and not a good option to put on a plate. IF (?) horsemeat is honestly sourced from inspected and disease-free stock, humanely treated in life and slaughtered under correct prodedures, I see no reason why people shouldn't eat it. I wouldn't, but there you are. But I do strongly object to dishonest practices in food production and illegal representation on a label of what is, in fact, in the stuff you are going to ingest. |
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09 Feb 13 - 05:18 AM (#3477432) Subject: RE: Where can I buy Horsemeat. UK. From: Fossil Never mind UK, hop on the Eurostar to Brussels, where many butchers will sell you good quality, tasty horsemeat. Go on a day trip, take a chillybin et voila! Sorted! |
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09 Feb 13 - 05:27 AM (#3477435) Subject: RE: Where can I buy Horsemeat. UK. From: John MacKenzie It was quite common, to see horse meat (Chevaline() burgers on menus, at services on the autoroute. I think it's mainly in the north of France though. |
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09 Feb 13 - 05:35 AM (#3477436) Subject: RE: Where can I buy Horsemeat. UK. From: Georgiansilver When you go to France and order 'steak' in a restaurant... you get... guess what... horse meat!.... if you want 'Biftek' (Beefsteak) then you pay more to get it...... The horse meat comes from animals which are bred for the purpose... not racehorses which are plied with drugs. I often eat steak when I go to France... tastes like beef steak... no problem!!! |
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09 Feb 13 - 06:08 AM (#3477451) Subject: RE: Where can I buy Horsemeat. UK. From: JHW Poor Cow or Poor Old Horse Hopefully I'm not eating either but I wonder why Poor Old Horse is cheaper? |
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09 Feb 13 - 06:28 AM (#3477457) Subject: RE: Where can I buy Horsemeat. UK. From: Jack Campin Given the very large quantities that seem to have fed through the UK supermarket supply chain, and the Fact that it seems to arrived via Poland but the Poles are insistent it wasn't raised there, I wonder if the ultimate source is central Asia? A lot of horses there and a lot of official corruption that could feed a black market. |
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09 Feb 13 - 06:35 AM (#3477459) Subject: RE: Where can I buy Horsemeat. UK. From: Roger the Skiffler When I was in Hungary last year there was a large horsemeat shop in the Budapest covered market with a horse's head sign. Lots of salami-type preserved meats & sausages as well as fresh cuts. RtS |
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09 Feb 13 - 07:11 AM (#3477467) Subject: RE: Where can I buy Horsemeat. UK. From: SPB-Cooperator If I was in a position to implement it, I think I would like to introduce a 'food sourcing' document, that has to be signed off and retained at all stages of the supply chain, and giving powers to health inspectors to spot check, verify, seize, and impose hefty penalties if certification cannot be produced or verified (ie the sourced foods do not match what the document says. This would mean that ingredients could only be purchased from suppliers that meet health and safety standards - so for example, if horse meat is used, each step in the chain may be asked to prove that they have purchased this from a reputable source, and not drug/disease ridden. |
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09 Feb 13 - 10:34 AM (#3477525) Subject: RE: Where can I buy Horsemeat. UK. From: GUEST,Eliza A jolly good idea, SPB, but the trouble with documentation is it can be forged or dishonestly obtained, and would cost a great deal to inspect and monitor. Having watched with interest the Australian Customs programmes on TV, it would seem that they are ferociously strict there about ANY meat products brought into their country. (Any kind of food matter at all is scrutinised.) This is not only to protect the consumer, but to prevent animal diseases (eg foot-and-mouth) and plant viruses etc from entering the agricultural environment. I also wonder sometimes about halal meat. Several outlets have sprung up here in Norwich, and I'm afraid I haven't total confidence that their meat is completely pucka. (And don't anyone dare say I'm racist, because my husband is a Muslim!) |
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09 Feb 13 - 04:41 PM (#3477664) Subject: RE: Where can I buy Horsemeat. UK. From: Mo the caller They are saying now that a law has been passed in (Rumania??) prohibitting horses and carts on the roads - hence the surplus horse meat which is crisscrossing Europe in a complicated web of suppliers and processors. |
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10 Feb 13 - 05:45 AM (#3477796) Subject: RE: Where can I buy Horsemeat. UK. From: GUEST,Musket sans cookie I read above the claim that we shouldn't use the word contaminated because this horse meat is edible. It isnt. Horse meat is both edible and I have enjoyed it many times but this isn't edible horse meat. It is indeterminate meat. We know nothing of the quality control or source. This makes it a huge concern. Some maggot farm providers went to prison a few years ago for buying bad chicken to sell to the farms but re classifying it as edible and selling it to processed food factories. Nice to see lessons learned. .. |
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10 Feb 13 - 06:58 AM (#3477816) Subject: RE: Where can I buy Horsemeat. UK. From: GUEST,Eliza I think the poor maggots should demand compensation too. |
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10 Feb 13 - 10:32 AM (#3477882) Subject: RE: Where can I buy Horsemeat. UK. From: mayomick As are the cows : http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=332619540187764&set=a.261275940655458.58229.261266100656442&type=1&theater |
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10 Feb 13 - 01:28 PM (#3477946) Subject: RE: Where can I buy Horsemeat. UK. From: Don(Wyziwyg)T ""The food is not poisoned for heavens sake..... horse meat is edible! I eat horse meat every time I go to Paris.."" Very true, but since this meat has been substituted for beef in a criminal fraud, are we really to believe that the criminals put as much effort into ensuring its suitability for human consumption as is the case with horsemeat openly marketed as such? I tink it would be foolish to believe that this would be of any finer quality than pet food, and I wouldn't eat pet food, would you? Don T. |
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10 Feb 13 - 01:45 PM (#3477955) Subject: RE: Where can I buy Horsemeat. UK. From: GUEST,Eliza Even perfood in UK has to be fit for human consumption and certified as such by stringent checks. |
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10 Feb 13 - 09:00 PM (#3478086) Subject: RE: Where can I buy Horsemeat. UK. From: Stanron I just might go to my local market tomorrow and ask the butcher if he can get horse meat and if so how much it would cost. I don't get this idea that horses are not to be eaten. I've had dogs and cats as pets in the past but I've never formed an emotional bond with a horse. Cows always look fed up with being cows and I suppose if you were forced to give birth each year and had your children kidnapped and killed you'd be fed up too. Sheep always look comparatively cheerful and friendly. Horses to me look flighty. Maybe they know they're prey. |
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11 Feb 13 - 06:04 AM (#3478199) Subject: RE: Where can I buy Horsemeat. UK. From: GUEST,Eliza For me it isn't the emotional bond with horses that puts me off, in spite of the fact that I rode ponies for years as a youngster. Neither the fact that it isn't generally our culture in UK to eat them. Nor again a fear of 'unusual food'. I've eaten squid and octopus (both delicious) and stuffed goats' udders (tasty but a bit chewy) and camel stew (very tough and strong-flavoured). It's merely not having confidence in the drug-free or disease-free state of the meat. And I'd be livid if I'd bought ready-made food (which I never would) and found the labelling was a pack of lies! |
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11 Feb 13 - 12:33 PM (#3478253) Subject: RE: Where can I buy Horsemeat. UK. From: GUEST,John from Kemsing I understand some time back the donkeys that gave rides to children outside the main gates of Greenwich Park were stolen. The police traced them to a halal abattoir somewhere down near Gravesend. You could try there. |
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11 Feb 13 - 12:38 PM (#3478260) Subject: RE: Where can I buy Horsemeat. UK. From: Don(Wyziwyg)T ""Even perfood in UK has to be fit for human consumption and certified as such by stringent checks."" Quite! But this lot didn't originate anywhere near the UK Eliza, and demonstrably didn't originate with honest farmers and/or processors. Don T. |
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11 Feb 13 - 12:44 PM (#3478264) Subject: RE: Where can I buy Horsemeat. UK. From: Donuel dunno, but we got ours delivered in dry ice at our doorstep every morning in Denver. |
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11 Feb 13 - 12:50 PM (#3478271) Subject: RE: Where can I buy Horsemeat. UK. From: GUEST,John from Kemsing Eliza, The tortuous route described in the latest reports involve Cyprus, France(two sites), Romania, Holland and Sweden before it gets to the shops and we haven`t even identified the source. It would seem to me that offers ample opportunity for it`s provenance to be lost. |
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11 Feb 13 - 01:08 PM (#3478276) Subject: RE: Where can I buy Horsemeat. UK. From: Donuel The schemes that are out there are amazing. Some years ago great quantities of highly radioactive white birch firewood showed up in the United States. It turned out it was a russian mafia scam that harvested Chernobyl forests for "free" and shipped it worldwide. The evidence was burned as you expect and the public was never the wiser. |
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11 Feb 13 - 01:12 PM (#3478281) Subject: RE: Where can I buy Horsemeat. UK. From: Rumncoke I have no idea where my regard of horses as non food came from - but I am very glad that I have eaten very few ready meals in my life. It seems that a single Rumanian abattoir is the source, and a new law banning horses and carts from the roads there has caused a rush of horses for the chop. The meat has no provenance, not on the lines of 'this used to be a healthy animal with no harmful drugs in its system' - and as it was probably a viable cart puller not destined for the plate there could be anything the local vets might use. A sudden change in the law and someone saw a chance to make money from all the cheap meat from suddenly unwanted horses. Good horsemeat is fine for those who eat it, and I am sure that the market for it helps maintain the quality of the horses walking about in the countries where it is popular - and the price of it. Cheap horsemeat with no one knows what in it, has to be bad news. |
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11 Feb 13 - 01:13 PM (#3478283) Subject: RE: Where can I buy Horsemeat. UK. From: Donuel No one bothered to ask why the Russian birch was less than half the price of domestic firewood. It was quick money. |
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11 Feb 13 - 02:02 PM (#3478313) Subject: RE: Where can I buy Horsemeat. UK. From: GUEST,Eliza As an enormous thread drift (for which I apologise) I read a while back that a commercially-produced lettuce has been doused with seventeen chemicals during its growth. I think the only answer for the tormented is to try and be as self-sufficient as poss, and where one cannot, to source ones produce locally. Our veg and salad stuff is grown by me and I don't douse it with anything. The slugs get a little nibble but I'm OK with that. Eggs we buy from a lady in a nearby village. You can see her hens scratching about in her field. Chicken is from Roys (a Wroxham shop whose stuff comes from 'up the road') and I use farmers' markets too. It's the only way to be sure of what is going in your tum. If you can't be bothered, and buy muck in packets, well, good luck to you. By the way, sorry about my typo, I should of course have written PET food! |
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12 Feb 13 - 06:05 AM (#3478562) Subject: RE: Where can I buy Horsemeat. UK. From: GUEST,Seayaker Eliza's right as always. The global food industry is huge, labyrinthine, and impossible in practice to police. The only control that supermarkets will apply is on their proffit/loss account. Buy local, support farm shops and markets and use local butchers while we still have them. |
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12 Feb 13 - 12:48 PM (#3478703) Subject: RE: Where can I buy Horsemeat. UK. From: Rumncoke In a discussion of this on BBC Radio 4 today (12th February) it was being pointed out that in Britain the small producers of meat - usually of the highest possible quality - are having to comply with all the rules and cover the costs of that, whilst the supermarkets seem to be able to get away with whatever they want to get away with. One speaker kept sheep, and when a lamb was ordered it was taken to the abattoir and she watched the process in order to ensure that what she brought back was that very animal, right down (out?) to the skin, which she took to be cured and sold as well. Supermarkets have an unfair advantage as they seem to be required to police themselves most of the time and even when found out one decided not to make an announcement for some days. Though the products were withdrawn from sale many thousands of ready meals containing horsemeat must have been eaten during the time they kept quiet. |
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12 Feb 13 - 12:57 PM (#3478706) Subject: RE: Where can I buy Horsemeat. UK. From: GUEST,Eliza Rumncoke is right. This, of course, is what happens when a few mighty corporations take over the whole industry and are thus able to control everything and get away with murder. One even wonders if corruption is involved. The 'small farmer' has to comply and pay the costs of that, so is discouraged from continuing. I always try to support the local growers and producers. It protects me and hopefully keeps them going. I've noticed two local butcher's shops have big signs in their windows, "Our meat is what it's supposed to be!" and "We don't sell horsemeat here!" |
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12 Feb 13 - 02:42 PM (#3478744) Subject: RE: Where can I buy Horsemeat. UK. From: Dave Hanson Todmorden. Dave H |
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12 Feb 13 - 02:52 PM (#3478749) Subject: RE: Where can I buy Horsemeat. UK. From: GUEST,Eliza hahahaha Dave. I notice that, in spite of the closure of an abattoir there where horsemeat was found, there's a website promoting sourced food in Todmorden. It's called ... wait for it...'Incredible-Edible'! Precisely!! |
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13 Feb 13 - 05:57 AM (#3478950) Subject: RE: Where can I buy Horsemeat. UK. From: GUEST,JHW I hear trotted out again and again, Just because it's Horse when it's labelled Beef doesn't mean it's not safe to eat. But we know they're lying!!!! |
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13 Feb 13 - 06:13 AM (#3478956) Subject: RE: Where can I buy Horsemeat. UK. From: GUEST,Eliza I've noticed lots of TV ads for Quorn, the soya meat-substitute. I bet people are trying it for the first time. Anyone here tasted it? Is it just like meat, or not? |
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13 Feb 13 - 06:54 AM (#3478974) Subject: RE: Where can I buy Horsemeat. UK. From: Rumncoke Now the authorities here are being silly - perfectly legitimate meat producers have been targeted for handling horse meat. Horse carcases from Ireland are being broken down for sending on to Belgium in a cutting plant. The meat is not processed, not made into meals, mince or burgers, simply boxed up and loaded onto wagons for export. In an interview for TV the owner pointed out that all the paperwork was in order, and despite reports that they had been shut down, the place was open and working as usual. |
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13 Feb 13 - 12:20 PM (#3479088) Subject: RE: Where can I buy Horsemeat. UK. From: Mr Red I had a very stringy brisket in a roadside bistro 20 years ago, somewhere near Lens (France). And wine flowed pretty freely too. It was not beef that is for sure. It was perfectly edible, and tender - probably boiled.. My mother used to refer to the war years in the UK, when a lump of beef would get a lot tougher in places - she reckoned they (Argentinians?) folded the beef with a slice of horse. |
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13 Feb 13 - 01:23 PM (#3479123) Subject: RE: Where can I buy Horsemeat. UK. From: Stanron "I've noticed lots of TV ads for Quorn, the soya meat-substitute. I bet people are trying it for the first time. Anyone here tasted it? Is it just like meat, or not?" It's better than textured vegetable protein (the soya stuff). Also more expensive. I don't think quorn has flavour before flavours are added. It goes well in stews and I occasionally do a revised version of the English breakfast with quorn sausages and bacon flavoured quorn slices, a fried onion and an egg or two. By the time I've drowned it in brown sauce it tastes just fine. |
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13 Feb 13 - 03:07 PM (#3479175) Subject: RE: Where can I buy Horsemeat. UK. From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity "Where can I buy Horsemeat. UK." Ask someone on here who peddles horseshit! GfS |
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14 Feb 13 - 11:08 AM (#3479576) Subject: RE: Where can I buy Horsemeat. UK. From: Don(Wyziwyg)T He just did. So why don't you answer him? Don T. |
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14 Feb 13 - 11:47 AM (#3479594) Subject: RE: Where can I buy Horsemeat. UK. From: gnomad Quorn, to my taste/buds at least, tastes only of what you add to it. I am sure it is just as nutritious as the packaging says, and can be made to taste OK, but without help it is as inspiring as the polystyrene pellets it can rather resemble. |
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14 Feb 13 - 12:46 PM (#3479620) Subject: RE: Where can I buy Horsemeat. UK. From: Stanron gnomad I agree but it has the benefits of protein without dead animals and low fat content. I've heard it said that egg is used as a binder so it may not do for vegans. The only real disadvantage is the price. |
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15 Feb 13 - 07:17 PM (#3480185) Subject: RE: Where can I buy Horsemeat. UK. From: GUEST,Joan It's a disgrace and all those involved should be prosecuted. And no, don't sell me this story saying it comes from Europe and it's traceable. That is bullshit! Europe is a big mess and half of it is full of corruption and organized crime and mafia. Start passing laws to force supermarkets to buy locally and stop risking peoples lives by buying in places where they have no way of knowing where the meat comes from or who is actually sourcing it. And let me tell you this: YES, IT IS CONTAMINATION. Horse meat nutrition wise is not the same as beef. In some areas it's much stronger nutritionally and it might do harm to some people eating it as beef. Horse meat has twice as much vitamin b12 and twice as much iron! |
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05 Mar 13 - 12:32 PM (#3486652) Subject: RE: Where can I buy Horsemeat. UK. From: SPB-Cooperator School Dinners - Horses for Courses |
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05 Mar 13 - 04:26 PM (#3486731) Subject: RE: Where can I buy Horsemeat. UK. From: Allan Conn The Caddy Man, a reataurant between Jedburgh and Kelso in the Scottish Borders, currently has horse steaks on its menu. It also sometimes has squirrel on its menu. |
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05 Mar 13 - 04:43 PM (#3486736) Subject: RE: Where can I buy Horsemeat. UK. From: McGrath of Harlow One part of Europe where organised crime is not just tolerated but subsidised is England. Just one part of it is called the Banking System. The horsemeat came into our diet thanks to other parts. |
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05 Mar 13 - 06:21 PM (#3486784) Subject: RE: Where can I buy Horsemeat. UK. From: Richard Bridge So where can we buy horsemeat? |
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06 Mar 13 - 07:20 AM (#3486974) Subject: RE: Where can I buy Horsemeat. UK. From: GUEST,Lavengro There is (or was a couple of years ago) a Cheval Butchers in Smethwick in the Midlands. I was told it was the only one in the UK. Clearly not. |