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10 Feb 13 - 01:21 PM (#3477941) Subject: English country dance tune request From: GUEST,Sheila I am seeking the identification of the music played on a YouTube video of children dancing an English country dance. Can you help with the name of the music and the musicians. It's http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yjbbLGejXfs. Thanks in advance. Sheila |
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10 Feb 13 - 01:25 PM (#3477943) Subject: RE: English country dance tune request From: Les in Chorlton Sounds like a lesser known version of a morris tune, sorry I cant help |
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10 Feb 13 - 01:44 PM (#3477954) Subject: RE: English country dance tune request From: Will Fly It's actually a well-known and well-used morris tune - but, for the life of me, I can't recall its name, even after having played it loads of times! |
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10 Feb 13 - 01:47 PM (#3477956) Subject: RE: English country dance tune request From: alex s The Devil shall be my Seargeant |
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10 Feb 13 - 03:02 PM (#3477978) Subject: RE: English country dance tune request From: Lester Rogues March X:417 T:Rogue's March M:6/8 L:1/8 K:G B2B Bcd|e2e e3|d2d d2e|d2c B2A| B2B Bcd|e2e e3|def gdB|A3G3:| g3f3|e3d3|g3 f3|efe d2c| B2B Bcd|e2e e3|def gdB|A3G3:| |
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10 Feb 13 - 03:06 PM (#3477980) Subject: RE: English country dance tune request From: Lester Rogue's March |
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10 Feb 13 - 04:01 PM (#3477996) Subject: RE: English country dance tune request From: GUEST,Ebor_Fiddler (Well-known pedant) Its full name is "The Rogues March to The Gallows", but isn't it a cheeky little tune? (Sorry Lester - I couldn't resist it) I remember playing it once at a "Folk" Church Service with our band as the Brownies came down the aisle with their flag. Mmm. |
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10 Feb 13 - 04:35 PM (#3478009) Subject: RE: English country dance tune request From: Lester E_F whilst you may be right it seems that the whole of Google disagrees with you. There are no references to a tune called The Rogues March to The Gallows" on the whole of the internet. Additionally all references I have read re "Rogues March" talk of said rogues being marched from camps but not being hung. YMMV |
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10 Feb 13 - 07:27 PM (#3478056) Subject: RE: English country dance tune request From: alex s Poor Old Soldier - The Rogue's March I left my home and I left my job Went and joined the army If I knew then what I know now I wouldn't have been so barmy. Poor old soldier, poor old soldier If I knew then what I know now I wouldn't have been so barmy. Gave me a gun and a big red coat Gave me lots of drilling If I knew then what I know now I wouldn't have took the shilling. Chorus: Sent me off on a real old boat By Christ she was no beauty Far far across the sea we went Afore to do my duty Chorus: Fought the Russians, or was it the French Really couldn't tell, sir All I know is they fought so hard They sent us all to hell, sir. Chorus: When we got back home again To desert was my intent, sir I sold my cot and I sold my coat And over the wall I went, sir. Chorus: Went to a tavern and I got drunk That is where they found me Back to barracks in chains I was sent And there they did impound me. Chorus: Fifty I got for selling me coat Fifty for me blankets If ever I 'list for a soldier again The devil shall be me sergeant. |
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10 Feb 13 - 07:30 PM (#3478057) Subject: RE: English country dance tune request From: alex s See above: tune is "The Devil shall be my sergeant". Been playing it for years. |
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10 Feb 13 - 11:54 PM (#3478111) Subject: RE: English country dance tune request From: GUEST,Sheila Many thanks for your responses and expertise. Very grateful. I loved hearing Lester Bailey playing. Was that the recording on the video? |
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11 Feb 13 - 12:50 PM (#3478270) Subject: RE: English country dance tune request From: Marje It's certainly well known as The Rogues' March. I have heard it said that it was used as a gallows march and that one version only had thirteen bars because that's how long it took them to reach the gallows ... Probably not true but it's a good story anyway. Marje |
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11 Feb 13 - 02:04 PM (#3478315) Subject: RE: English country dance tune request From: Will Fly I was told that the Rogues' March was played by the army band as deserters were led off to the gallows. But what do I care - it's a great tune, regardless of its history. |
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11 Feb 13 - 03:08 PM (#3478342) Subject: RE: English country dance tune request From: Steve Gardham Great tune, great words! Where are those words from, Alex? |
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11 Feb 13 - 04:15 PM (#3478369) Subject: RE: English country dance tune request From: alex s Don't remember, Steve, it's so long ago.... A mate sang it but I can't remember who. |
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11 Feb 13 - 09:16 PM (#3478469) Subject: RE: English country dance tune request From: Rumncoke Only the last verse and chorus are traditional, the rest are fairly recent - to pad out the original to make a 'proper' length song. |
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12 Feb 13 - 05:06 AM (#3478543) Subject: RE: English country dance tune request From: Leadfingers We played it last night at the Queen Victoria session - Hare Hatch , just off the A4 ( Second Monday in the month) RG10 9TA |
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12 Feb 13 - 11:51 AM (#3478677) Subject: RE: English country dance tune request From: GUEST,leeneia I think it's too chipper and charming to be about rogues. I bet it was originally 'Pogue's March,' where somebody named Pogue wrote it. I checked the Kansas City phone book, and Kansas City alone has 15 people named Pogue. Add another 5-10 for those who use only cell phones, and that's 20 Pogues in a middling Midwestern City. 'Pogue' must be a pretty common name. So I vote for Pogue's March, and forget the hanging, etc. |
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12 Feb 13 - 12:07 PM (#3478685) Subject: RE: English country dance tune request From: Rumncoke Sorry - there are references to 'the rogues' march' going back quite a ways. It is known well enough to be recognised just from the drum beat - at least in England it is. |
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12 Feb 13 - 06:11 PM (#3478809) Subject: RE: English country dance tune request From: Howard Jones The Fiddler's Companion entry for Rogue's March goes into a lot of detail about how this was used as the "drumming out" march since at least the mid-Eighteenth Century. No mention of any "Pogue's March" even as a variant. The name is of Scottish/Ulster origin and is uncommon in England - my phone book covering part of a major English city lists only two, and as they live in the same locality they're very possibly related. Besides, why shouldn't a tune about rogues be chipper and charming? |
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12 Feb 13 - 06:21 PM (#3478816) Subject: RE: English country dance tune request From: GUEST,JohnB Just google the name of the tune, The Rogues' March you get dozens of explanations. ALL are basically the same. It is the name of the TUNE, not the song. It was used at "Drumming Out" ceremonies. It's Old. My additional info, it's the only tune I can play with any great deal of success on a Three Hole Pipe. JohnB |
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13 Feb 13 - 04:39 AM (#3478922) Subject: RE: English country dance tune request From: Tattie Bogle Great tune, and WHAT a find is Lester's blogspot! Over 160 tunes to play with! |
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13 Feb 13 - 07:10 AM (#3478983) Subject: RE: English country dance tune request From: GUEST,OldNicKilby There is a great site for finding tunes ," FolkTuneFinder" there are nearly 20,000 tunes there.Sorry being a Luddite I am unable to do the blue clicky, well I suppose I am too lazy to learn |
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13 Feb 13 - 09:00 AM (#3479023) Subject: RE: English country dance tune request From: Snuffy On this thread Lyr Req: John Tams singing Dead Horse tells us he made up the additional verses - the fragment recorded by Tams being all that survives from tradition. |
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13 Feb 13 - 11:11 AM (#3479051) Subject: RE: English country dance tune request From: Lester Folktune Finder Lester's Tune-A-Day |
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13 Feb 13 - 02:31 PM (#3479155) Subject: RE: English country dance tune request From: GUEST,Ebor_Fiddler I went back to my primary source - "Chappell's Popular Music of the Olden Time" and, by gow YMMV - you're dead right! Where I got the idea of "the proper name" from I haven't the slightest. What a memory I have! Apologies al round, I think, especially to Lester and posterity! |