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15 Feb 13 - 07:10 AM (#3479930) Subject: BS: Ready to Smoke a Rope? From: JohnInKansas GOP Senate leader Mitch McConnell supports bill to legalize hemp production > By Kasie Hunt, NBC News > The federal government currently puts hemp in the same category of illegal drug as heroin, LSD and ecstasy -- but the Senate's top Republican wants to change that. > Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell, R - Ky., joined forces Thursday with a pair of West Coast Democrats -- Oregon Sens. Ron Wyden and Jeff Merkley -- to cosponsor a bill that would allow American farmers to grow hemp without fear of punishment. Also on board is libertarian Rand Paul, McConnell's fellow Republican Bluegrass State senator. > "I am proud to introduce legislation with my friend Rand Paul that will allow Kentucky farmers to harness the economic potential that industrial hemp can provide," McConnell said in a statement Thursday. "During these tough economic times, this legislation has the potential to create jobs and provide a boost to Kentucky's economy and to our farmers and their families." > The debate over legalization of hemp is contentious in Kentucky. The Chamber of Commerce supports legalization, but some law enforcement groups say it is a step that could lead to the legalization of marijuana. > McConnell's move follows action in the Kentucky state Senate, which voted Thursday to legalize hemp production there -- if the federal government also decrees that it's legal. Oregon has approved hemp production, but farmers can still be prosecuted under federal law. > Hemp is a variety of Cannabis sativa, the plant species that also produces marijuana. McConnell wants to legalize so-called industrial hemp, which contains a much smaller amount of THC, the chemical that produces marijuana's high. > Proponents of industrial hemp tout its many legal uses, such as in soap, cosmetics, and rope for sailboats and other watercraft. Farmers say hemp twine is much stronger than other rope used to bind bales of hay. Toyota -- which builds Camrys in Kentucky -- has spoken in favor of hemp legalization, saying they want to use the fibers in car panels and insulation. > Typically, the plants that make great industrial hemp make less potent marijuana. Plants that make great pot don't usually produce the strongest industrial fibers. Commercial hemp growing was pushed by the Federal Government for a while during WWII when it was feared that the war would cut off access to foreign suppliers. The program never attracted many producers in Kansas, but as late as 1950 or so some "wild" hemp (possibly spread by bird poop) could still be found occasionally. Reports were that the wild stuff didn't smoke too well and wasn't worth the bother, and there was never enough of it around to make a decent bale of twine - so far as I heard. Availability of "industrial hemp" might also create a resurgence in popularity of pet canaries, since they fell out of favor when the Fed outlawed hemp seed in their food and they all stopped singing. (That would likely require separate legislation.) John |
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15 Feb 13 - 08:54 AM (#3479967) Subject: RE: BS: Ready to Smoke a Rope? From: GUEST,999 The THC content of marijuana these days is due to the efforts of amateur botanists all over North America--and presumably other places. Fifty years ago average stuff had 4-6% THC content. I understand from people who would know that today it is near 25%. That's one small toke for man and a giant toke for mankind. It is possible to get a license to grow hemp for the purposes of making food, oils and clothing, but the THC content is restricted to 1/2% THC content. Leaves are taken at random from hemp fielss and mashed together. The resulting mash is tested and if it exceeds 1/2% THC content the whole crop is destroyed and the unlucky farmer loses his/her license. I must state that I have never smoked marijuana and never will, but a friend of mine did and he told me to say this stuff. |
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15 Feb 13 - 08:55 AM (#3479970) Subject: RE: BS: Ready to Smoke a Rope? From: GUEST,999 Aw, man, I'm seeing double . . . The duplicate post is removed, but this post is priceless so is staying put. --amused mod |
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15 Feb 13 - 09:08 AM (#3479980) Subject: RE: BS: Ready to Smoke a Rope? From: Rapparee At least you're not inhaling. |
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15 Feb 13 - 09:46 AM (#3479988) Subject: RE: BS: Ready to Smoke a Rope? From: GUEST,gillymor After a 30+ year hiatus from pot smoking I've rediscovered the joys of cannabis and I can confirm your assesment of the potency of the pot that is available today, 999. I use it a couple of hours before bedtime and it takes about one toke of most stuff to give me a respite from my aches and pains and little vacation from mundane affairs. I'd like to see McConnell and Paul take it a step further and get themselves a black light, some day-glo posters, twist one up and mellow out with some Pink Floyd. Could only be an improvement. I believe hemp was one of Washington's primary crops at Mt. Vernon. BTW my favorite shirt, which appears to be indestructible yet very soft, is 55% hemp. |
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15 Feb 13 - 11:13 AM (#3480022) Subject: RE: BS: Ready to Smoke a Rope? From: catspaw49 The obvious benefits to Kentucky farmers is obvious especially when you consider how tobacco has lost its place as a money source, especially for smaller farmers. Hemp would be a huge boon to the Commonwealth. Lots of room too for more work in new technologies for other uses such as more refined and less costly clothing blends. That would open doors into mass manufacturing in fabric and clothing which could replace some of the mining jobs. Spaw |
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15 Feb 13 - 11:30 AM (#3480029) Subject: RE: BS: Ready to Smoke a Rope? From: Bobert Cowabunga!!! B;~) |
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15 Feb 13 - 11:47 AM (#3480041) Subject: RE: BS: Ready to Smoke a Rope? From: McGrath of Harlow You can buy Hemp Milk at the supermarket. Seeds too - "try adding hemp seeds to your soups stews and dips for a healthy twist". A very useful plant. |
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15 Feb 13 - 11:57 AM (#3480044) Subject: RE: BS: Ready to Smoke a Rope? From: Bettynh This PBS report makes an impressive argument. It looks like a simple test would be to let the Native Americans win their lawsuit and become a test for legal growing. |
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15 Feb 13 - 11:58 AM (#3480045) Subject: RE: BS: Ready to Smoke a Rope? From: GUEST,999 I once had some roasted hemp seeds, lightly salted. Loved 'em. gillymor, I hear you. As a btw, hemp fiber can be used to make paper. The big timber companies won't allow that to take place--see what happened with kenaf paper. However, it's another product. |
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15 Feb 13 - 01:07 PM (#3480077) Subject: RE: BS: Ready to Smoke a Rope? From: GUEST,Doc John And they'll be smoking a pope soon |
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15 Feb 13 - 03:32 PM (#3480111) Subject: RE: BS: Ready to Smoke a Rope? From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity I tried smoking a salmon once....it was too hard to keep lit. GfS |
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15 Feb 13 - 04:04 PM (#3480125) Subject: RE: BS: Ready to Smoke a Rope? From: Ed T I have a hemp shirt and also have some hemp underwear. I did not get high when weating them.Just my bad luck, I guess. |
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15 Feb 13 - 05:33 PM (#3480150) Subject: RE: BS: Ready to Smoke a Rope? From: JohnInKansas George Washington did raise hemp, and it's obvious that he raised it for "medicinal purposes" as well as for ropes and cloth, since one of his letters home lamented not being there to "head the crop" - a step believed to increase the THC content. "Real Hemp" rope is still considered much superior to the sisal commonly used now for cheaper ropes and twine, and nearly all sails for sailing ships used hemp cloth until well after the US "Civil War" because it was better than anything else for the purpose. Although theoretically, as mentioned above, it is "possible" to get a license to grow industrial hemp, the only licenses in existence according to recent reports have been those granted to experimental agricultural (research) facilities virtually all of which are at major universities in farm states, and there are few of those. Planted areas are strictly limited for those permits, and are very small. Under an old program, it is still theoretically possible to have a Federal permit for medical marijuana, but it must be considered impossible to get a new one. All the marijuana used under those permits must come from a Federal growing facility and only one such remained in operation a few months ago. Recollection is that fewer than about 100 people had such permits then and NONE have been issued to new participants for decades. John |
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15 Feb 13 - 07:20 PM (#3480188) Subject: RE: BS: Ready to Smoke a Rope? From: gnu 9... "I must state that I have never smoked marijuana and never will, but a friend of mine did and he told me to say this stuff." That's not what I said. Ahhh...ahhh... that's not what I said. |
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15 Feb 13 - 07:34 PM (#3480194) Subject: RE: BS: Ready to Smoke a Rope? From: Bobert Actually, there is a means of extracting oil from hemp that can be made to burn in cars... An acre of hemp will power a VW bug to the moon and back... (((cough))) B;~) |
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15 Feb 13 - 08:59 PM (#3480209) Subject: RE: BS: Ready to Smoke a Rope? From: gnu Bobert... I got a story for you about a yellow Bug, a winter highway drive late at night, a walk in the BACKwoods of the Appalachians in the moonlight on split logs set on high cut stumps (them what's never lived in the BACKwoods a the snow country dunno of what I speak), a US draft dodger turned BACKwoods squatter and farmer in yer Canuckistan and the attic of a sheep barn. Ya know, when yer in the attic of a sheep barn in the middle of nowhere in the woods and a big ol ewe baas, she sounds just like a Chevy startin at minus fuckin cold degrees. Or, it coulda had ta do sumpin wit tha stuff hangin upside downy in tha attic??? Ain't nuthin like sheep shit fer fertilizin some good shit. Again, as I have stated in many threads, I have not smoked sheep shit for over 30 years. I still have my hip waders stored in my garage. Just in case. |
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15 Feb 13 - 09:28 PM (#3480217) Subject: RE: BS: Ready to Smoke a Rope? From: McGrath of Harlow I can understand how our government in the UK is able to outlaw smokable dope and so forth, they can do just about anything they want. But I've always been puzzled how it's possible for the US government to do that, with all the stuff in the constitution. The individual states might have the right to do that, as they did with alcohol, but how does the federal government have any jurisdiction in the absence of some constitutional amendment like the one you had to have to outlaw booze throughout the country? |
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16 Feb 13 - 01:58 AM (#3480259) Subject: RE: BS: Ready to Smoke a Rope? From: GUEST,9 Good questions, McG of H. But that's typical of you and your observations--smart on all counts (except of course when they disagree with my own :-)). AFAIK, the American FDA (Food and Drug Administration) puts things on its 'restricted' list. That means that someone somewhere decides certain things are bad for you. Tobacco was not and still isn't considered bad by the FDA. It has never been made illegal. Booze was bad so the Constitution was amended to reflect that until prohibition was ended whereat it was considered good or at least tolerable. THC in the form of 'smokeable and get off on it' marijuana was cool until a dickhead (my term) named Harry J Anslinger got it outlawed with the help of J Edgar Hoover--no relation, although ASAIAC he too sucked. Marijuana has been referred to in august publications such as Culpeper's Herbal from the 1600s. In that book was a notification that Scottish bagpipe players used the stems of the hemp plant to make reeds and it was considered strange that they also smoked the leaves. Goodnight. Great to see you posting again, Kevin. BM |
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17 Feb 13 - 09:43 AM (#3480683) Subject: RE: BS: Ready to Smoke a Rope? From: McGrath of Harlow I wonder if the fact that two states have now voted to legalise recreational use that might ensure that this constitutional issue really gets addressed. My impressin is that till now it's more or less slipped through without being challenged properly. Or is there actually some interpretation of the US Constitution that actually gives the Federal GOvernment rights special powers for pot that it didn't have for alcohol? |
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17 Feb 13 - 11:34 AM (#3480704) Subject: RE: BS: Ready to Smoke a Rope? From: saulgoldie I tried a rope once. But once I trimmed off a small piece of it and loaded my pipe, I couldn't keep it lit. Flakes are a bit easier to keep lit. But mostly, I smoke just loose tobacco. Saul |
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18 Feb 13 - 09:43 AM (#3481033) Subject: RE: BS: Ready to Smoke a Rope? From: Stringsinger Ready to smoke a pope? Black smoke for hemp, white smoke for pot. Dominus Vobiscuits. |
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18 Feb 13 - 10:30 AM (#3481045) Subject: RE: BS: Ready to Smoke a Rope? From: GUEST,999 Dominus vo-biscuits . . . in excelsis mayo? |
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18 Feb 13 - 03:27 PM (#3481141) Subject: RE: BS: Ready to Smoke a Rope? From: frogprince Bought some breakfast cereal in the local supermarket a few weeks ago with hemp as an ingredient. Something Kashi brand, I think. I was a tad surprised, and I wonder a bit how that gets by Big Brother. I liked it, and will look for some more, but I didn't notice anything like the last time that I...uh...never mind... |
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18 Feb 13 - 04:12 PM (#3481163) Subject: RE: BS: Ready to Smoke a Rope? From: Bill D "Ain't nuthin like sheep shit fer fertilizin some good shit. 'cept maybe a silo in Benton, Kansas. This guy I knew had a small crop, but those he shared with spoke in reverent tones. |
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18 Feb 13 - 04:17 PM (#3481166) Subject: RE: BS: Ready to Smoke a Rope? From: GUEST,999 "This guy I knew had a small crop, but those he shared with spoke in reverent tones." ----------><---------- ----------><---------- |
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18 Feb 13 - 04:29 PM (#3481171) Subject: RE: BS: Ready to Smoke a Rope? From: JohnInKansas An acre of hemp will power a VW bug to the moon and back... But if it doesn't get the high, an acre of hemp only gets it from West 'Ginny to Kaintucky, and it takes another 12 gallons of 'shine to get it back (not necessarily all in the tank, but why else would a 'Ginny boy wanna go to 'tucky?). And the gettin' back from the moon is what it does with no need for fuel when the high wears off - it comes back down on its own. (So I've heard.) John |