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02 Apr 13 - 10:56 PM (#3498094) Subject: BS: Is Obama a Fascist? From: Songwronger I concede up front that George W. Bush was/is a fascist. I contend that Obama is also a fascist. Fascism, n.: A political theory advocating an authoritarian hierarchical government (as opposed to democracy or liberalism). Writing back in 2007, Naomi Wolfe catalogued the steps to creating a dictatorship (which she sought to apply to George W. Bush). Interestingly enough, they apply far more to the man who replaced him. Wolfe's steps include: 1. Invoke a terrifying internal and external enemy 2. Create a gulag 3. Develop a thug caste 4. Set up an internal surveillance system 5. Harass citizens' groups 6. Engage in arbitrary detention and release 7. Target key individuals 8. Control the press 9. Dissent equals treason 10. Suspend the rule of law http://www.americanthinker.com/2012/01/obamas_fascist_america_in_10_easy_steps.html This piece is by the left/liberal's beloved Naomi Wolf. She was writing about what George W. Bush had done. I don't follow Naomi Wolf. Has her so-called reportage been updated to include Obama's abuses? |
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02 Apr 13 - 11:03 PM (#3498097) Subject: RE: BS: Is Obama a Fascist? From: Don Firth YAWN. . . . Don Firth |
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02 Apr 13 - 11:06 PM (#3498098) Subject: RE: BS: Is Obama a Fascist? From: Songwronger http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2007/apr/24/usa.comment Or rather, this is the link to Naomi Wolf's 2007 article about Bush. The link in the first posting is to a commentary about Wolf's piece. Both Bush and Obama fit Wolf's definition of fascist. |
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02 Apr 13 - 11:07 PM (#3498099) Subject: RE: BS: Is Obama a Fascist? From: Songwronger I understand, Mr. Firth. He may be a fascist, but he's YOUR fascist. Back to sleep now. |
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02 Apr 13 - 11:23 PM (#3498102) Subject: RE: BS: Is Obama a Fascist? From: GUEST,Niggardly Bastard I approve. Obama is indeed a Fascist. Now everyone will be subject to scrutiny by the IRS thanks to Obamacare. People who wanted to work part time and go uninsured will be forced ( at the point of a gun if you refuse to buy health insurance or pay the fine ) to go full time. Except those full time jobs are gone with the wind. You musicians that have always worked for cash and cheated on your taxes for decades are going to have to account to Prez al-Obama. I think alot of the Mudcatters are on Medicare and Social Security.Since they won't be forced to buy anything they are ok with it. It's not affecting them, so why should they care? Obama is so much like Reagan it's scary. Reagan dreamed of Star Wars technology. Obama has it. |
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02 Apr 13 - 11:33 PM (#3498106) Subject: RE: BS: Is Obama a Fascist? From: Songwronger Good points. Obamacare goes FAR beyond mere health insurance. It even addresses gold ownership. And the IRS will be the enforcer. The arm breakers, ironically enough. Obamacare is the most fascist piece of legislation I've ever seen in America. It forces Americans to buy insurance (yes, at the point of a gun) from private insurance companies. Textbook fascism. |
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02 Apr 13 - 11:55 PM (#3498108) Subject: RE: BS: Is Obama a Fascist? From: Jack the Sailor Remember when I said that people were posting to the genocide thread because if we didn't he'd just start another? |
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03 Apr 13 - 12:15 AM (#3498111) Subject: RE: BS: Is Obama a Fascist? From: Don Firth Songwronger, you're really round the bend. Obama has done none of those things. Or if you think he has, perhaps you would care to go into detail. Don Firth |
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03 Apr 13 - 12:27 AM (#3498115) Subject: RE: BS: Is Obama a Fascist? From: GUEST,Niggardly Bastard They rise to the bait every time. They remind me of a species related to the carp. Suckers. |
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03 Apr 13 - 12:39 AM (#3498119) Subject: RE: BS: Is Obama a Fascist? From: Don Firth Okay, I confess! I know the whole scam! But Songwronger hasn't got it quite right, so here's the scoop: Remember that UFO that went down in New Mexico some decades back? The bodies that were recovered? And how the Air Force tried so desperately to cover up the whole incident, claiming it was nothing but a weather balloon that had blown off course? I have it on good authoriy that Barack Obama (by whatever name) was cloned from alien tissue and grew up in Hangar 51 where his positronic brain was programmed by subspace transmissions from Phltzlfroomp, the fourth planet of Wolf 359. And what is his mission, you may ask? Rather than national and international implications, his real mission is of interplanetary importance. It has to do with the life-threatening shortage on the home planet of the Phltzlfroompians of orange Jell-O embedded with miniature marshmallows. Without this, all civilization would collapse in the same way that our economy, and then our civilzation, would collapse if we suddenly ran out of oil, gas, beer, and Big Macs simultaneously. Once the plans have reached fruition (so to speak) and Obama (by whatever name) has laid the groundwork, little green men will land, storm all gatherings of church luncheons put on by the the Lutheran Ladies' Guilds, and make off with all the Jell-O salads. If you think that's horrifying, the aliens are planning to assault the Southern Baptist Leadership Conference by replacing all the water in their baptismal fonts with Wild Turkey studded with real, live wild turkeys! And they think that's funny!! Oh, the horror of it all!! It is good that you tremble for the future of our planet! Don Firth P. S. And how do I know all this? Ever since my last trip to the dentist, whenever I heat up a cup of cold coffee in the microwave oven, I receive the latest bulletins on my new filling. |
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03 Apr 13 - 12:57 AM (#3498123) Subject: RE: BS: Is Obama a Fascist? From: GUEST,Niggardly Bastard You Obamafuscate the issue, Mr. Firth. Is Obama a Fascist? I say yes. I think the only non Fascist president in my lifetime was Jimmy Carter. I think these days an Amerikan president has to be a Fascist. Or he doesn't get to be president |
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03 Apr 13 - 01:10 AM (#3498128) Subject: RE: BS: Is Obama a Fascist? From: Songwronger Yes, the name calling and conspiracy accusations will be flowing freely on this one. But why? The fascism is so in-your-face. I'll go into the two articles point by point I guess, later. Time for you Obamanoids to fess up to what you've brought on the country. |
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03 Apr 13 - 01:12 AM (#3498129) Subject: RE: BS: Is Obama a Fascist? From: Don Firth Pop quiz: There are a couple of different political systems that go by the name of "Fascism," and most people who go around labelling this person or that system as "Fascist" not only don't know the distinctions, but they don't even know where the name came from. Contrary to popular belief, Nazi Germany was not really a "Fascist" country. Anybody tell me the distinctions? (And, yes, I know, but does anybody else out there, especially those who like to toss the word around?) Don Firth |
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03 Apr 13 - 01:15 AM (#3498130) Subject: RE: BS: Is Obama a Fascist? From: Don Firth You have plenty of time to work on it, because I'm logging off. It's my bed time. Ta ta! Don Firth |
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03 Apr 13 - 01:17 AM (#3498131) Subject: RE: BS: Is Obama a Fascist? From: artbrooks Did someone already say YAWN? |
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03 Apr 13 - 01:40 AM (#3498138) Subject: RE: BS: Is Obama a Fascist? From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Posted from another thread that NOBODY wanted to even acknowledge...so here it is again.................!!!! "by the way, to get this piece of crap passed, this bill is being very quietly slipped into the Democratic Budget Proposal Now I know I ruffle some feathers, of the phony left from the bogus notion that today's 'so-called liberals' are not really wolves, in sheep's clothing, and really are more fascist than they would ever admit....but: Those who say he is not a fascist please explain this........Don??? " Have fun explaining it away!! GfS |
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03 Apr 13 - 02:07 AM (#3498143) Subject: RE: BS: Is Obama a Fascist? From: Amos This is just horseshit. If Obama were a fascist, he would be able to get stuff done which he has been blocked from by the obfuscatrial a-holes in the Repub sector. Why, he would have taken all your guns by now and forced you all to marry lesbians who smoke pot and provide abortions, and much, much more! That proves he's not a fascist. Surely you can see that? It's plain as day! |
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03 Apr 13 - 02:26 AM (#3498146) Subject: RE: BS: Is Obama a Fascist? From: Richard Bridge Why are fewer people posting here? A prize example of the twats driving sensible people away. |
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03 Apr 13 - 02:26 AM (#3498147) Subject: RE: BS: Is Obama a Fascist? From: michaelr Don't mince words, Amos, tell us how you really feel! I'm pretty sure we had this exact same thread, from the exact same OP, a few months ago. So... OK: Yes, Songwronger, you're right. Anyone can see it. There is no question. Can we stop talking about it now? |
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03 Apr 13 - 03:09 AM (#3498152) Subject: RE: BS: Is Obama a Fascist? From: GUEST,Niggardly Bastard Namecalling, Mr. Bridge. Uncalled for and against the rules. You must be the change you wish to see. Set an example for the rest of us. |
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03 Apr 13 - 07:41 AM (#3498227) Subject: RE: BS: Is Obama a Fascist? From: bobad Yer goddamn right he is a fascist and I'm going to report you and your fart catcher NB to his gestapo and it will be off to the gulag with the both of you.....and a damned good riddance I say. |
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03 Apr 13 - 08:50 AM (#3498246) Subject: RE: BS: Is Obama a Fascist? From: Dave the Gnome Is he a florist? Dyslexics of the world untie... :D |
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03 Apr 13 - 08:58 AM (#3498248) Subject: RE: BS: Is Obama a Fascist? From: Lighter CNN reported this morning that 13% of Americans believe that O is the Antichrist, with 13% more not quite sure. But 15% think the moon landings were a hoax, and 12% think the Government places "secret mind-control technology" in radio and TV broadcasts to keep the masses in their place. Of course, it's always more fun to say you believe this stuff than that you don't, so perhaps only about 1 in every 20 or 25 American adults think O is the Antichrist instead of 1 in 9. |
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03 Apr 13 - 12:23 PM (#3498324) Subject: RE: BS: Is Obama a Fascist? From: Bee-dubya-ell I agree about the "'mind-control technology' in radio and TV broadcasts to keep the masses in their place", but it's not really secret and it's not put there by the government. It's called "advertising", and it seeks to keep the masses in big box retail stores, fast food restaurants, and auto dealers' showrooms. |
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03 Apr 13 - 02:02 PM (#3498380) Subject: RE: BS: Is Obama a Fascist? From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Nobody addressed Don Firth's question, yet... ...nor mine..... Give it a shot. GfS |
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03 Apr 13 - 02:48 PM (#3498406) Subject: RE: BS: Is Obama a Fascist? From: Don Firth I see that no one has come up with answers to my little quiz yet. What does the word "Fascist" mean, why was Hitler not precisely a fascist, who invented the term, and what is it derived from? < Forrest Gump >"My mama always told me, 'Don't use a word if you don't know what it means.'" < /Forrest Gump > I'll supply the answers a bit later. But for now: A couple two or three years ago, there was a person here who billed himself as "ichMael," pretty much a take-off on the opening line of Moby Dick, "Call me Ishmael." Probably also just moving the "M" in "Michael" in three spaces. Cute. Anyway, this "ichMael" posted vast quantities of really vicious anti-Obama propaganda, much of which was of the rankest sort. He would even link people to a web site that apparently he had started called "The Mudcat Pages." This web site proclaimed that Obama was not born in the United States, he was born in Kenya, he was a Muslim, that his father had dozens of wives, that Obama's mother was a "whore," and just about anything else he could think of to denigrate President Obama and his family, including a photograph showing a skinny man in a dancer's leotard hugging another man. Whoever the skinny man was, he had Obama's head crudely Photoshopped on top of his body (bad job; anybody with his head at that angle from his body is going to have serious neck problems). This, of course, was alleged to be incontrovertible proof that Obama is gay. This "ichMael" was a real nut-case! Then, he went away. Now, I can't be absolutely sure, but I have a strong suspicion that he's back! Only now, he's calling himself "Songwronger." The verbiage, the writing "style," and the subject matter are all exactly the same. I am reminded of the outpourings of a group that calls itself "The Aryan Brotherhood of Texas." No kidding!! There IS such a group, believe it or not! Don Firth |
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03 Apr 13 - 03:40 PM (#3498425) Subject: RE: BS: Is Obama a Fascist? From: Don(Wyziwyg)T Swift Glance. OP Songwronger! F**k it! More CRAP! Ignore. Bye |
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03 Apr 13 - 04:31 PM (#3498444) Subject: RE: BS: Is Obama a Fascist? From: Jack the Sailor Is President Obama a NASCAR Driver? |
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03 Apr 13 - 06:12 PM (#3498500) Subject: RE: BS: Is Obama a Fascist? From: Amos Fasces, Latin, a bundle of sticks tied together. Fascism, a governmental model based onf radical authoritarian nationalism that came to prominence in mid-20th century Europe. Fascists seek to unify their nation through a totalitarian state that promotes the mass mobilization of the national community,relying on a vanguard party to initiate a revolution to organize the nation on fascist principles. Most modern definitions include Hitler as well as Mussolini and Franco in their examples of fascism and describe it in opposition and contradistinction to communism and some other socialistic models. Benito Mussolini, the leader of the Fascist government of Italy, described it as follows: "Fascism, the more it considers and observes the future and the development of humanity quite apart from political considerations of the moment, believes neither in the possibility nor the utility of perpetual peace. It thus repudiates the doctrine of Pacifism -- born of a renunciation of the struggle and an act of cowardice in the face of sacrifice. War alone brings up to its highest tension all human energy and puts the stamp of nobility upon the peoples who have courage to meet it. All other trials are substitutes, which never really put men into the position where they have to make the great decision -- the alternative of life or death.... ...The Fascist accepts life and loves it, knowing nothing of and despising suicide: he rather conceives of life as duty and struggle and conquest, but above all for others -- those who are at hand and those who are far distant, contemporaries, and those who will come after... ...Fascism [is] the complete opposite of…Marxian Socialism, the materialist conception of history of human civilization can be explained simply through the conflict of interests among the various social groups and by the change and development in the means and instruments of production.... Fascism, now and always, believes in holiness and in heroism; that is to say, in actions influenced by no economic motive, direct or indirect. And if the economic conception of history be denied, according to which theory men are no more than puppets, carried to and fro by the waves of chance, while the real directing forces are quite out of their control, it follows that the existence of an unchangeable and unchanging class-war is also denied - the natural progeny of the economic conception of history. And above all Fascism denies that class-war can be the preponderant force in the transformation of society...." A |
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03 Apr 13 - 06:23 PM (#3498507) Subject: RE: BS: Is Obama a Fascist? From: Jack the Sailor Is President Obama a jar of chunky salsa? |
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03 Apr 13 - 06:47 PM (#3498513) Subject: RE: BS: Is Obama a Fascist? From: Songwronger I'm not a gay Aryan, and I posted the working definition of fascism in the original post. Fascism, n.: A political theory advocating an authoritarian hierarchical government (as opposed to democracy or liberalism). That's the one I've been using since the first post. Here's proof of fascism from #8 in the original post. "Control the Press." Reading News Online A Criminal Offence? During his first term, President Barack Obama declared October 2009 to be "National Information Literacy Awareness Month," emphasizing that, for students, learning to navigate the online world is as important a skill as reading, writing and arithmetic. It was a move that echoed his predecessor's strong support of global literacy—such as reading newspapers—most notably through First Lady Laura Bush's advocacy. Yet, disturbingly, the Departments of Justice (DOJ) of both the Bush and Obama administrations have embraced an expansive interpretation of the Computer Fraud and Abuse Act (CFAA) that would literally make it a crime for many kids to read the news online. And it's the main reason why the law must be reformed. As we've explained previously, in multiple cases the DOJ has taken the position that a violation of a website's Terms of Service or an employer's Terms of Use policy can be treated as a criminal act. And the House Judiciary Committee has floated a proposal that makes the DOJ's position law, making it a crime to access a website for any "impermissible purpose." http://rinf.com/alt-news/latest-news/reading-news-online-a-criminal-offense/31296/ |
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03 Apr 13 - 07:37 PM (#3498528) Subject: RE: BS: Is Obama a Fascist? From: Amos This is more of your same style of bull, SW. The act does not make reading news online a criminal offense. This is just hyperbolic panic-mongering with a complete absence of discrimination on your part. A |
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03 Apr 13 - 07:42 PM (#3498532) Subject: RE: BS: Is Obama a Fascist? From: Jack the Sailor Is President Obama the terms of agreement of a Hearst publication? |
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03 Apr 13 - 10:09 PM (#3498569) Subject: RE: BS: Is Obama a Fascist? From: Don Firth Pour yourself a cup of coffee or pop open a beer. This is a long one. I'm on a rant. First, Amos gets an A+. From an article in a book on political science on my bookshelves: Fascism is a philosophy of government that stresses the primacy and glory of the state, unquestioning obedience to its leader, subordination of the individual will to the state's authority, and harsh suppression of dissent. Martial virtues are celebrated, while liberal and democratic values are disparaged.Benito Mussolini described Fascism as a "bundle" or "unit" made up of the corporations and the government. Essentially one and the same. Hence, the use of the old Roman symbol of the fasces, from which Fascism derives its name. Mussolini said that the fasces is a perfect symbol, since it is a bundle of sticks tied around a battle-axe. All acting as a unit, they are far stronger than they would be if acting separately. The sticks symbolize the corporations, and the axe symbolizes the power of the government. Where Hitler differed from other Fascist leaders and Fascist states was in the racism of Nazi Germany. The idea that Germans were of the Aryan race, and all other races had to go. Non-Aryans were the source of all society's ills. Hence, the death camps. To Mussolini and Franco, the other major Fascist leaders, this didn't seem to matter that much (although in the mid-1930s, Mussolini did crap all over Ethiopia, but that was not essentially a racial thing. He had designs on East Africa). Hitler characterized his government as "National Socialism." Socialism is a system whereby "the people" own the tools of production and share in the profits thereof. Under National Socialism, the government owns the tools of production. He was a bit fuzzy about who gets the profits. The United States is a system of regulated Capitalism, the idea of which is to glean the advantages of Capitalism, but not let the corporations run rampant to the point where the country slides into Fascism. In the 1930s, Franklin Delano Roosevelt stomped on the slide toward Fascism by starting regulatory agencies such as the Securities Exchange Commission, the Federal Deposit Insurance Corporation, the Federal Communications Commission, the National Labor Relations Act, and The Fair Labor Standards Act (among other things, establishing minimum wages). He also instituted the Works Projects Administration and the Civilian Conservation Corps to put people back to work, build the country's infrastructure, and put money in peoples' pockets, particulary money they have to spent right away on things like food and rent, which would put the money back into circulation and immediately stimulate a very sick economy. He also ended poor houses and poor farms and provided security (referred to back then as the "old age pension") for the elderly by creating the Social Security Administration. Some of these regulatory agencies kept the bankers and financiers from continuing to fleece the public, and made them generally behave themselves. The people loved him! They voted him back in for a total of an unprecedented four terms. But Wall Street seethed. And plotted. It took them awhile but— This may sound strange, but a giant step toward turning the U. S. into a Fascist country was made by Ronald Reagan, who began systematically castrating the regulatory agencies by replacing the commissioners with people from the very businesses they were supposed to regulate. I've said it before and I'll say it again: a classic example of putting the foxes in charge of the chicken coop. Another, and more obvious giant step is "Citizens United," giving corporations free reign to buy politicians by the bulk! ======= I am not happy with Obama. He equivocates and tries to compromise with people who will NOT compromise. But in the last two presidential elections, he was the only viable candidate who was NOT hell-bent on continuing the gallop toward that amalgam of corporations and government which is known as FASCISM. What this country needs is another Franklin D. Roosevelt. Or at least, someone with real guts and determination, like old "give 'em hell" Harry Truman. Thus endeth the sermon for today! Don Firth |
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03 Apr 13 - 11:11 PM (#3498574) Subject: RE: BS: Is Obama a Fascist? From: GUEST,Niggardly Bastard Finally. Mr. Firth admits he doesn't like Prez al-Obama either. Very gratifying to hear. |
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04 Apr 13 - 12:00 AM (#3498577) Subject: RE: BS: Is Obama a Fascist? From: Don Firth That's not an absolute, Mr. Bastard. I much prefer him to the alternatives. Don Firth |
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04 Apr 13 - 12:08 AM (#3498578) Subject: RE: BS: Is Obama a Fascist? From: GUEST,Niggardly Bastard What's so bad about the Greens? They are an alternative. They aren't owned by the Banksters, either. You can't say that about our current leader. |
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04 Apr 13 - 12:13 AM (#3498580) Subject: RE: BS: Is Obama a Fascist? From: Don Firth You will note that, above, I said viable candidates. Don Firth |
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04 Apr 13 - 12:58 AM (#3498588) Subject: RE: BS: Is Obama a Fascist? From: Ron Davies Look , the answer to the burning question posed by the illustrious OP is: No. Now, let's let the thread die--or let the OP carry on a conversation only with people who agree with him: that is; a soliloquy. |
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04 Apr 13 - 01:16 AM (#3498591) Subject: RE: BS: Is Obama a Fascist? From: Don Firth Right, Ron. I've said what I have to say on this ridiculous subject. For those who didn't get it the first time, reread. Let Songwronger, Niggardly Bastard, and Goofballupagus twist in the wind. Don Firth |
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04 Apr 13 - 01:35 AM (#3498594) Subject: RE: BS: Is Obama a Fascist? From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity ...or something like...... Hey Don, your 'twisting in the wind' comment was really inapplicable...I've been sitting this one out..other than to provide a link that Obama signed the Monsanto Immunity deal, and the Democrats are slipping it into their budget proposal...and that's true..then on the Republican side, they have abolishing Obamacare...both bills favor corporate/government linkage....Obamacare might have been better as a single payer plan.....but NOOOOO....that would have left out the insurance/bankster/big pharma out of their profits. So take it easy....put up thy sword....or sit on it..but you can ease off....OK? GfS |
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04 Apr 13 - 03:26 AM (#3498605) Subject: RE: BS: Is Obama a Fascist? From: GUEST,Niggardly Bastard To be a viable candidate you have to be owned by the Banksters. Sounds Fascist to me. As a matter of fact, your definition of Fascism has me convinced more than ever that Herr Obama is a Fascist, Mr. Firth. And that Amerika is a Fascist Empire. |
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04 Apr 13 - 10:43 AM (#3498744) Subject: RE: BS: Is Obama a Fascist? From: Little Hawk Exactly. Whether Mr Obama is a Fascist or not is not really the thing to be debating here, because it's just a label, and a person cannot be summed up in a label. The important point is, though, that he's the president of a Fascist military empire that is quite obviously trying to dominate the entire world and be the sole Superpower and the arbiter of the human race's collective destiny, and for what??? For the benefit of the oligarchy of rich elites who run that empire. Obama is their errand boy. Or maybe he's their prisoner. Or their handpicked man? I'm not sure which, and there's no way to know if one can't get inside his head and know his actual thoughts. Be sure of one thing, though. He's temporary. Same as Bush. You'll all have someone else to fight about after Obama is gone. He's just the temporary tip of the iceberg, and it's the rest of the iceberg you have to worry about...the part you don't see. |
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04 Apr 13 - 11:28 AM (#3498764) Subject: RE: BS: Is Obama a Fascist? From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Absolutely CORRECT!!! It doesn't matter what his 'personal beliefs' are, he's just a puppet figurehead, so people 'debate' about 'his' policies, and keep their eyes off what is really going on and who it is who is really running the show! This guy came up out of nowhere, no track record, no legislation, vague schooling records, hardly a voting record...but sorta black.....just the perfect candidate to be fawned over by a vast majority of 'so-called' racist liberals, who didn't care about his credentials...just so long as he was 'sorta black'..that way they THOUGHT we were making progress...and just so one of those wannabe racist crusaders don't come jumping in blathering about me being a racist, frankly I don't care about what color he is...he has been a phony all along, and his track record of lying only rivals Jodi Arias...or is that the other way around. ...but he's sorta black...big deal ....he's a Democrat...as if Democrats, weren't in the pocket of bankster/corps ..and he's a somewhat smooth talker....for the easily conned...(shit, I think I'd rather listen to a used car salesman....or even a Jehovah Witness. This guy is a fraud, funded by the Bank of London, to do EVERYTHING that the Dems thought Bush or Romney was about...and you know why?...They're ALL on the same team!....ACTORS! GfS |
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04 Apr 13 - 11:54 AM (#3498771) Subject: RE: BS: Is Obama a Fascist? From: Stringsinger I think there is a more important question. Is the U.S. becoming a fascist nation? |
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04 Apr 13 - 11:56 AM (#3498774) Subject: RE: BS: Is Obama a Fascist? From: GUEST,Niggardly Bastard Like I said. So much like Reagan it's scary. |
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04 Apr 13 - 12:09 PM (#3498777) Subject: RE: BS: Is Obama a Fascist? From: Little Hawk Definite "yes" to that, Stringsinger. It's been happening for a long time too, not just since Ronald Reagan, but Reagan gave American fascism a major boost in the 1980s. Bush I, Clinton, Bush II, and Obama have all added further volumes to it since then. If there'd been someone as incompetent and dangerously stupid as Ronald Reagan in charge of the Soviet Union during the 1980s, I think we'd all be dead now...and our remains would be highly radioactive. Thank Mikhail Gorbachev that it didn't happen! If not for him, it probably would have. |
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04 Apr 13 - 08:44 PM (#3498926) Subject: RE: BS: Is Obama a Fascist? From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Is it BECOMING a Fascist nation...NO!....it's been going on since November 22, 1963! GfS |
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04 Apr 13 - 09:45 PM (#3498952) Subject: RE: BS: Is Obama a Fascist? From: Ebbie You know what? There's nothing scarier to me than people who are totally convinced they are correct. And you know what, further? I am not speaking of Mr. Obama. |
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04 Apr 13 - 10:01 PM (#3498962) Subject: RE: BS: Is Obama a Fascist? From: Bobert Just to follow up on what Ebbie has said... There is a reason why folks ain't posting here at Mudcat, at least below the line... That reason is that it has become Songwronger's private shit hole... It's about karma... There's a song I used to do that was written by _____________??? It was about people who kill others and "collect their teeth" and then goes "I don't want to walk were he walked"... I have lost respect for people I thought were cool... I have been absolutely beaten down with this steady drum beat of hate and folks who I thought were above mob mentalities jumping in like brown shirts... What has this joint become??? The fascists are the "classless and free" who go along with brown shirt Songwronger... If yo go to the the thread about why people don't post here too much anymore then I'll answer it... No, I don't want the classless and free fascists preaching to me about how cool they are and how anything less than Ryn Rand and "mad Max After the Thunder Dome" is their idea of a perfect world... I mean, I don't mind wrestling with folks I respect but, geeze louise... Too much songwronger coolaide here, for me... Enjoy ya'll's little right wing fascist circle jerk... BYE... Bobert (signing out of this wacko ward) |
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04 Apr 13 - 10:12 PM (#3498966) Subject: RE: BS: Is Obama a Fascist? From: GUEST,Niggardly Bastard bobette has shown in post after post and thread after thread that he is a bigot and class hater. No brag. Just fact. |
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04 Apr 13 - 10:19 PM (#3498969) Subject: RE: BS: Is Obama a Fascist? From: Bobert FU, jerk!!! B~ |
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04 Apr 13 - 10:32 PM (#3498973) Subject: RE: BS: Is Obama a Fascist? From: Little Hawk I'd criticize any other country just the same way if it did the kind of grandiose imperial stuff the USA has been doing since the end of WWII (and actually, for quite awhile before that...Monroe Doctrine, Phillipines, Cuba, Guam, Puerto Rico, various Central American interventions, etc.). I don't approve of messianic military empires that invade, economically colonize, and dominate weaker nations all over the world just so a few incredibly rich men can get richer. Nor do I approve of their leaders when they make that possible. Obama's just the latest one to follow the same old line, that's all. I was absolutely delighted when he got elected in 2008, because I dreamed that he might be a real progressive and would change things, maybe be another FDR. I was also very pleased that a black man had been elected president and that McCaine and Palin had lost! It seemed to open the door to brand new possibilities. That has not happened, however, and it's quite clearly not going to. What we are getting is standard imperial policy and standard domestic corruption, just like before. Obama is Bush III. He doesn't look like a Bush. He doesn't talk like a Bush. But his presidency is just more of the same old story. Elect the Republicans again, and it'll be just as bad...maybe even worse. Heads they win. Tails you lose. |
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04 Apr 13 - 10:38 PM (#3498975) Subject: RE: BS: Is Obama a Fascist? From: Songwronger Detroit's newly appointed emergency manager has been granted unprecedented powers under the terms of an anti-democratic law in Michigan that went into effect Thursday. Public Act (PA) 436, which was pushed through by the Republican-controlled state legislature after voters defeated a similar measure in November, gives emergency managers in six Michigan cities and three school districts authority to slash budgets, reopen labor agreements, impose unilateral concessions and shut down or privatize city departments and services. The measure is aimed at establishing what amounts to a financial dictator in Detroit, with the aim of using the city as a test case for imposing deeply unpopular measures in line with what is occurring in Cyprus, Greece and other European countries. The entire political establishment, Democrat and Republican, is engaged in a conspiracy toward workers in the city. Governor Rick Snyder, a multi-millionaire former venture capitalist and Republican, and Democratic Treasury Secretary Andy Dillon have turned over control of Detroit to a Washington, DC bankruptcy attorney whose former law firm represents the same Wall Street investment houses that control Detroit's municipal bonds and other debt. Kevyn Orr, a lifelong Democrat, is a former law partner of Cleveland-based Jones Day, which has represented Citigroup, UBS AG, JPMorgan Chase and other banks that hold much of the city's $8.6 billion in long-term bond debt. His appointment immediately led to an upgrade in Detroit's credit rating from negative to stable, as investors anticipated he would oversee their repayment by intensifying the attack on the working class.... http://www.gloucestercitynews.net/clearysnotebook/2013/03/it-wreaks-of-fascism-lansingmichigan-imposes-dictatorial-rule-in-detro So what's up with Detroit? Didn't Obama save that town along with the auto industry in his first term? Of course, he had to kill the unions and slash wages and benefits to do it, but once General Motors was essentially nationalized everything was supposed to be okay in Motor City. And now they have a fascist city manager, an appointed thug who just kicked the elected people to the curb. Obama's easy stimulus money is coming with a hell of an interest rate, at least in Detroit. Democrats and Republicans working hand-in-glove on the fascism here. |
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04 Apr 13 - 10:42 PM (#3498976) Subject: RE: BS: Is Obama a Fascist? From: GUEST,Niggardly Bastard When you namecall and curse at someone in an attempt to denigrate them you only denigrate yourself, bobette. Stick to the topic of discussion. Don't stoop to childishness. |
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04 Apr 13 - 10:46 PM (#3498977) Subject: RE: BS: Is Obama a Fascist? From: Songwronger I just point out the obvious, Bobert. Obama is a tool of venture capitalism and the big banks. He's not in it for the people, he's in it for the money, just like George W. Bush was. Sorry if your hero is a zero. Suck it up and do something about it. Quit supporting the fascist Obama. |
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04 Apr 13 - 10:51 PM (#3498978) Subject: RE: BS: Is Obama a Fascist? From: GUEST,Niggardly Bastard YAY OBAMA! GO OBAMA! *snicker*! |
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04 Apr 13 - 11:06 PM (#3498983) Subject: RE: BS: Is Obama a Fascist? From: Jack the Sailor Stick to the topic of discussion. Don't stoop to childishness. He can do one or the other. Not both! |
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04 Apr 13 - 11:47 PM (#3498996) Subject: RE: BS: Is Obama a Fascist? From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity That is ludicrous. If people didn't vote for Obama because he is sorta black doesn't mean they're racist, any more than if you didn't vote for Romney because he's sorta white!....BUT...If you did vote for Obama because he's sorta black...or Romney because he's sorta white, then YOU are the racist!!!!! ...and then we hope you can forget it! GfS |
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05 Apr 13 - 08:44 PM (#3499372) Subject: RE: BS: Is Obama a Fascist? From: Don Firth Is Obama a Fascist? No. Simple as that. Don Firth |
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06 Apr 13 - 01:30 AM (#3499427) Subject: RE: BS: Is Obama a Fascist? From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Who cares what he is or isn't.....He is whatever he's instructed to be! GfS |
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06 Apr 13 - 01:53 AM (#3499432) Subject: RE: BS: Is Obama a Fascist? From: Don Firth The current conspiracy theory. Don Firth |
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06 Apr 13 - 08:16 PM (#3499815) Subject: RE: BS: Is Obama a Fascist? From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Well, Professor Donny, judging from your last post, I take it you are an Obama supporter....but you just don't like saying it too loud...and then him and haw, teetering on 'sorta'...not because you do or don't like him...you just don't want to call it the way you see it...but if the posting opinion favors him, you get all wet...but if not, you go limp.... Methinks you are just playing for audience approval...after all, what else do you got? GfS |
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07 Apr 13 - 12:05 AM (#3499867) Subject: RE: BS: Is Obama a Fascist? From: Don Firth As usual, Goofballupagus, you don't know diddly-squat. We haven't had a president I really liked for decades. But of the viable options, Obama was the best of a sorry bunch. I think his heart's in the right place, but he's much too willing to compromise when dealing with those who won't compromise at all and are counting on his just giving in. Believe me, the alternatives would be one helluva lot worse! To call Obama a "fascist" is just plain stupid and it displays the abyssmal ignorance of the person who does so, If you want to see a real fascist, take a good look at Paul Ryan. HE doesn't know he's a fascist, and of course he'd deny it, but I know where the man's coming from. You know, Goofy, you can't just follow your gut feelings or your prejudices here, you really need to THINK!! Don Firth |
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07 Apr 13 - 12:38 AM (#3499873) Subject: RE: BS: Is Obama a Fascist? From: GUEST,Niggardly Bastard I have to agree with GfS. Mr. Firth just goes with the flow without asking too many questions. |
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07 Apr 13 - 12:43 AM (#3499874) Subject: RE: BS: Is Obama a Fascist? From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Gosh, you mean I'm not the only one???? GfS |
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07 Apr 13 - 01:41 AM (#3499891) Subject: RE: BS: Is Obama a Fascist? From: Don Firth ?....without asking too many questions." I think you're kind of far afield there, Mr. Bastard. And anyone who chronically agrees with Goofballupagus already has a serious problem. Don Firth |
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07 Apr 13 - 01:53 AM (#3499895) Subject: RE: BS: Is Obama a Fascist? From: GUEST,Niggardly Bastard Be more specific, Mr. Firth. What serious problem does a person have if they happen to agree with GfS? Without engaging in personal attacks, please. |
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07 Apr 13 - 01:55 AM (#3499896) Subject: RE: BS: Is Obama a Fascist? From: Ebbie Monkey see, Monkey do- one person suggests that Don Firth is wobbly in his opinions and the monkeys jump right on. For the record, I see no evidence AT ALL that Don has ever been less than forthright. |
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07 Apr 13 - 02:20 AM (#3499910) Subject: RE: BS: Is Obama a Fascist? From: Don Firth Thanks, Ebbie. Right on. I believe I stated my opinion of President Obama rather solidly and forthrightly in my post of 07 Apr 13 - 12:05 AM, just a bit above. The two monkeys generally attempt to try to undercut and mock somebody with a well-thought out position by accusing them of being "brainwashed" or of being a "loony liberal," without their having the foggiest notion of what Liberalism really is. Thomas Jefferson said that the preservation of Democracy is dependent on a well-informed electorate. If these two monkeys are any example of the state if the electorate, I'd have to say that Democracy is in deep trouble. Don Firth |
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07 Apr 13 - 03:28 AM (#3499926) Subject: RE: BS: Is Obama a Fascist? From: GUEST,Niggardly Bastard Without resorting to namecalling and personal attacks, Mr. Firth. Monkeys? You fail. |
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07 Apr 13 - 12:58 PM (#3500077) Subject: RE: BS: Is Obama a Fascist? From: GUEST,Futwick I bought this book some years ago and it gave me new insights into what is truly fascist. It is Walter Laquer's "Fascism--Past, Present and Future." Mr. Laquer, whom for what it's worth is Jewish, points out the pitfalls of deciding what is fascist and how the word is thrown loosely about to insult certain people (such as it is being done here). So, no Obama is not a fascist, Bush was not a fascist and not even the Japanese military govt of WW2 was fascist. I am pleased that this book, just a small essay really, has finally been uploaded online. I highly suggest EVERYBODY read it before this ridiculous argument drags on any further because it so childish I can scarcely believe adult people engage in such things. Now PLEASE: Fascism--Past, Present and Future |
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07 Apr 13 - 01:19 PM (#3500085) Subject: RE: BS: Is Obama a Fascist? From: GUEST,Futwick One thing that helps in our quest to discover what is truly fascist is to read books written by people that were intimately involved in the Italian and German govts. I read Albert Speer's autobiography and something he said struck me: He said that in Nazi Germany, all the arts and sciences were strictly segregated into little "chambers." He said nobody in one chamber had any contact with anybody from another. It is as though the Nazis did not believe physics, chemistry, biology, astronomy, mathematics, music, architecture and like were in any way connected. Astronomy under the Nazis was virtually a strictly cultural propaganda tool--probably because so many Jewish physicists had changed it so irrevocably. Speer said that had the Nazis won the war, the govt would not have lasted more than a dozen more years due to this segregation of the arts and sciences. Segregated, they are useless. Speer was Hitler's chief architect and pointed out that Hitler had no real political vision for Germany. Everything was aesthetics. He had an aesthetic vision. That's why every city he took over he wanted redone in the Roman or Greek traditions--marble with big columns and what not. Order and cleanliness was essential to Hitler's vision. Appearance was everything. If you didn't fit into his aesthetic view, your days were drastically numbered. The Jews and Gypsies were not a political enemy to Hitler, they were simply vermin and nothing more. Vermin must be exterminated and the infestation eliminated. Small wonder then that the prussic acid used to gas so many Jews and Gypsies--Zyklon B--was, in fact, an insecticide invented by I.G. Farben. |
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07 Apr 13 - 02:50 PM (#3500126) Subject: RE: BS: Is Obama a Fascist? From: Don Firth Thanks for that, Futwick. I think I know the subject pretty well, but I've downloaded that and will read it shortly. I have a close friend (had; he passed away a few years ago) who was born in Hungary, the son of a prominent theoretical physicist, and who was Jewish. They managed to escape by a matter of minutes, or the whole family would have been sent to the death camps. He told me much of his remembrances as a youngster, growing up in constant fear. Not just him, but his parents and friends as well. I also had a friend, an exchange student at the University of Washington, Rolf H., German, who'd HAD to join the Hitler Youth when he was a boy, and then was essentially impressed into the Luftwaffe. He thought the idea of flying airplanes—Messerschmitt ME-109s—was fun, BUT—he had no desire to go to war against anyone. In impending dog fights with British and American planes, he said that he, and some other pilots he knew, would head for the nearest cloud bank, fire their guns until empty, then fly back to base. This, he said, was not out of cowardice. It sprung from the fact that they did not like Hitler, his regime, and what he was doing to Germany and trying to do to the whole world—and they did not feel they had any reason to kill anyone, especially when they were only trying to defend themselves against the regime of der Führer and his madness. Rolf had a LOT to say about living under Fascism! But more formally, I've taken Political Science, Ethics, and Philosophy, in addition to Music and English Literature, in college, so the idea that I am "brainwashed" and just "go with the flow" that Goofballupagus and Niggardly Bastard (he calls himself that, I didn't) are accusing me of is baseless personal insult founded on pure ignorance on their parts, and says more about them than it does about me. But then, having read some of their other stuff, is anybody surprised that neither of them could find their own butts with both hands and copy of Grey's Anatomy, and that their political acumen comes from the likes of Bill O'Reilly and Rush Limbaugh? Don Firth |
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07 Apr 13 - 09:32 PM (#3500264) Subject: RE: BS: Is Obama a Fascist? From: Stringsinger There is another definition that includes the takeover of government by corporate power as in the case of Mussolini. 1. Invoke a terrifying internal and external enemy This is probably the same MO as the NRA. This has been used by almost every US president in history. 2. Create a gulag By this I assume the reference is to Guantanmo and Abu Graibh. Or the privatization of the prison system in the US 3. Develop a thug caste Here, a better reference is the US Congress or the GOP/Tea Party 4. Set up an internal surveillance system This is lamentable and is being done. 5. Harass citizens' groups This is being done by all kinds of groups, governmental and NGO's such as the Koch Brothers. 6. Engage in arbitrary detention and release This is also unfortunate. 7. Target key individuals Yes, the drones to that. 8. Control the press Control is a fact of political life. Obama really can't control the press. You have to leave that to Murdoch and corporatists like him. Fox so-called News for example. Obama is only one man and many have him by the balls. The Military Industrial Complex, Wall Streeters, Lobbyists and money. Also, the Supreme Court that declares that corporations are people. Now that is fascist. |
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07 Apr 13 - 09:46 PM (#3500268) Subject: RE: BS: Is Obama a Fascist? From: Bobert It was Hitler who said that the masses would believe the BIG LIE... What we have today from the right wing the BIG LIE on crack!!! Where ever you look they are lying... Obama isn't a citizen... Obama is a socialist... The government wants to take all your guns away... Unions are bad... Teachers are bad... Blah, blah, blah... All TIN FOIL shit... Fascists??? Check out the Tea Party... Now there is some serious fascism going on there... B~ |
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08 Apr 13 - 01:01 PM (#3500526) Subject: RE: BS: Is Obama a Fascist? From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Bobert: "It was Hitler who said that the masses would believe the BIG LIE... What we have today from the right wing the BIG LIE on crack!!!" It is preposterous for you to say, "That we have today from the right wing the BIG LIE on crack!!!"....and leave out your beloved leader!!!!???? The lying is EASILY provable...that BOTH sides employ it...MASSIVELY!...it's just not a lie, when YOU believe it, huh??? Give it some thought....and don't lie to yourselves, OK? GfS |
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08 Apr 13 - 01:12 PM (#3500529) Subject: RE: BS: Is Obama a Fascist? From: beardedbruce Bobert, " The government wants to take all your guns away... " Of course this is false. The government only wants to take away the guns of those who disagree with it, or those who might not like what it decides for them. like the poor and inner city Blacks. The wealthy, the large corporations, and the groups providing the funds for politicians to buy themselves reelection will always be able to have guns and armed guards. Just think about THAT when the parties trade position, in an election or two... |
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08 Apr 13 - 01:46 PM (#3500545) Subject: RE: BS: Is Obama a Fascist? From: Jack the Sailor President Obama is a plug-in hybrid |
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08 Apr 13 - 02:37 PM (#3500570) Subject: RE: BS: Is Obama a Fascist? From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity ..actually the phrase is 'post modern fascism'...it's not like he is 'alone'..it's more of a 'collective' way of thinking for the masses. GfS |
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02 May 13 - 07:56 PM (#3511151) Subject: RE: BS: Is Obama a Fascist? From: Songwronger U.S. SEEKS TO GET RID OF LEFT GOVERNMENTS IN LATIN AMERICA Recent events indicate that the Obama administration has stepped up its strategy of "regime change" against the left-of-center governments in Latin America, promoting conflict in ways not seen since the military coup that Washington supported in Venezuela in 2002. The most high-profile example is in Venezuela itself, during the past week. As this goes to press, Washington has grown increasingly isolated in its efforts to destabilize the newly elected government of Nicolas Maduro. But Venezuela is not the only country to fall prey to Washington's efforts to reverse the electoral results of the past 15 years in Latin America. It is now clear that last year's ouster of President Fernando Lugo of Paraguay was also aided and abetted by the United States government. In a brilliant investigative work for Agência Pública, journalist Natalia Viana shows that the Obama administration funded the principal actors involved in the "parliamentary coup" against Lugo. Washington then helped organize international support for coup. The U.S. role in Paraguay is similar to its role in the military overthrow of democratically elected President Manuel Zelaya of Honduras in 2009, where Washington hijacked the Organization of American States (OAS) and used it to fight the efforts of South American governments who wanted to restore democracy. Zelaya later testified that Washington was also involved in the coup itself. http://www.globalresearch.ca/u-s-seeks-to-get-rid-of-left-governments-in-latin-america/5333626 BARACK OBAMA PAYS TRIBUTE TO GEORGE W. BUSH AT PRESIDENTIAL LIBRARY OPENING The dedication ceremony for the George W. Bush Presidential Center at Southern Methodist University in Dallas Thursday was an opportunity for the American political elite, Democratic and Republican wing alike, to express its essential unity and singleness of purpose. President Barack Obama was on hand, as were former presidents Jimmy Carter, George H. W. Bush and Bill Clinton, to celebrate probably the most hated resident of the White House in US history, the younger Bush, whose administration is associated by tens of millions with illegal war, torture and corporate criminality. Although not surprising, Obama's fulsome praise for his predecessor, in front of an audience that included former Vice President Dick Cheney and, according to the New York Times, "a collection of current and former foreign leaders and lawmakers as well as hundreds of former Bush administration officials and thousands of his admirers," was especially significant. The current president told his audience, "The first thing I found in that desk the day I took office was a letter from George [W. Bush], and one that demonstrated his compassion and generosity." http://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2013/04/26/obam-a26.html |
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02 May 13 - 10:35 PM (#3511178) Subject: RE: BS: Is Obama a Fascist? From: Bill D Obama? Didn't you hear him the other night? "I'm not the strapping Muslim Socialist I used to be." You can relax now. I remember clearly when Truman was accused of everything. He survived.....do will Obama. There sure are a lot of folks who sure would rather see Obama where he is than that cast of idiots in the Republican primaries. |
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03 May 13 - 12:23 AM (#3511183) Subject: RE: BS: Is Obama a Fascist? From: Songwronger There sure are a lot of folks who sure would rather see Obama where he is than that cast of idiots in the Republican primaries. Yes. That's a big problem. As the second article I just posted says, "The dedication ceremony for the George W. Bush Presidential Center at Southern Methodist University in Dallas Thursday was an opportunity for the American political elite, Democratic and Republican wing alike, to express its essential unity and singleness of purpose." Obama is part of the American political elite, as is your "cast of idiots in the Republican primaries." They are all part of the elite, and that elite is fascist. Sure, the Republicans would have been bad, but Obama has brought us more fascism that George W. Bush did. Obama has put Social Security and Medicare on the chopping block with his 2014 budget. First president to touch that "third rail of American politics." Obama is going to privatize FDR's Tennessee Valley Authority with the 2014 budget. Obama has cast thousands of cancer patients out of treatment with the Medicare cuts brought about by his sequester. The list goes on and on and on. Obama is a fascist, but many of his supporters cover for him because he's "better than the alternative." That is a control device, the lesser of two evils. That is the one of the ways in which the fascists advance their agenda. |
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03 May 13 - 01:13 AM (#3511187) Subject: RE: BS: Is Obama a Fascist? From: Amos The OP is mentally disturbed. A |
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03 May 13 - 01:28 AM (#3511192) Subject: RE: BS: Is Obama a Fascist? From: Ebbie Yes. |
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03 May 13 - 02:50 AM (#3511207) Subject: RE: BS: Is Obama a Fascist? From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Read carefully,....all those that thought he was over doing this! and this one... Officials: Obama to name NC Rep. Melvin Watt to housing finance post, ex-lobbyist as FCC chief" By Associated Press, Published: April 30 | Updated: Wednesday, May 1, 5:56 AM WASHINGTON — President Barack Obama intends to nominate Rep. Melvin Watt to head the Federal Housing Finance Agency, the government regulator that oversees lending giants Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, and he has chosen a former cable and wireless industry lobbyist to head the Federal Communications Commission, according to White House officials. If confirmed by the Senate for the FHFA post, Watt, D-N.C., a 20-year veteran of the House, would replace Edward DeMarco, an appointee of President George W. Bush who has been a target of housing advocates, liberal groups and Democratic lawmakers. Hmmmm pretty fishy to me....."and he has chosen a former cable and wireless industry lobbyist to head the Federal Communications Commission," Obama: YOUR kind of guy! GfS |
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03 May 13 - 09:06 AM (#3511281) Subject: RE: BS: Is Obama a Fascist? From: Bill D "Obama has cast thousands of cancer patients out of treatment with the Medicare cuts brought about by his sequester. " HIS sequester? HA! The Republicans had every chance to avoid that. THEY wanted it to happen just to make 'more' things look bad while Obama was pres. THEY 'fixed' part of it...just enough to let THEM fly home on vacation. And you, SW, would not know a real facist if it bit you on the ass! By your measure, everyone who gets elected to any office above dogcatcher is part of the "political elite". Those are words.... tossed about to avoid genuine thinking. Bye... I'm off for the weekend. |
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03 May 13 - 11:14 AM (#3511313) Subject: RE: BS: Is Obama a Fascist? From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Bill, The first hint of the 'sequester' was originally put forth by Obama..maybe it was a political ruse, or party sabre rattling, but that video link has been put up repeatedly on this thread(I think it was THIS thread, maybe it was the 'hate' thread)..in any event, you may need to change your propagan....umm......I mean, 'news' source. GfS |
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03 May 13 - 12:26 PM (#3511348) Subject: RE: BS: Is Obama a Fascist? From: Q (Frank Staplin) Nest thread[ "Is Obama a human being"? |
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03 May 13 - 07:44 PM (#3511458) Subject: RE: BS: Is Obama a Fascist? From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Yeah, we could all nest in it! GfS |
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03 May 13 - 07:50 PM (#3511460) Subject: RE: BS: Is Obama a Fascist? From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity ....and watch....there will be no criminal prosecutions..from the AG ...because Obama is looking out for you! GfS |
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03 May 13 - 08:14 PM (#3511468) Subject: RE: BS: Is Obama a Fascist? From: Songwronger Yes, Obama proposed the sequester in 2011, then he signed it in 2013. It is his construct. It is also one of his "Don't throw me in the briar patch" sales jobs. He told the Democrats that the Republicans made him do it, and Democrats bought it. Amos and Ebbie. I know that, as old people, you have to support the government that provides the dole, but you don't have to name call while you do it. |
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03 May 13 - 08:40 PM (#3511472) Subject: RE: BS: Is Obama a Fascist? From: Ebbie I didn't call you names, SW; I just agree that you are mentally disturbed. : |
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07 Feb 14 - 09:50 PM (#3599365) Subject: RE: BS: Is Obama a Fascist? From: Songwronger Interesting article: Socialist or Fascist It bothers me a little when conservatives call Barack Obama a "socialist." He certainly is an enemy of the free market, and wants politicians and bureaucrats to make the fundamental decisions about the economy. But that does not mean that he wants government ownership of the means of production, which has long been a standard definition of socialism. What President Obama has been pushing for, and moving toward, is more insidious: government control of the economy, while leaving ownership in private hands. That way, politicians get to call the shots but, when their bright ideas lead to disaster, they can always blame those who own businesses in the private sector. Politically, it is heads-I-win when things go right, and tails-you-lose when things go wrong. This is far preferable, from Obama's point of view, since it gives him a variety of scapegoats for all his failed policies, without having to use President Bush as a scapegoat all the time. Government ownership of the means of production means that politicians also own the consequences of their policies, and have to face responsibility when those consequences are disastrous -- something that Barack Obama avoids like the plague. Thus the Obama administration can arbitrarily force insurance companies to cover the children of their customers until the children are 26 years old. Obviously, this creates favorable publicity for President Obama. But if this and other government edicts cause insurance premiums to rise, then that is something that can be blamed on the "greed" of the insurance companies. The same principle, or lack of principle, applies to many other privately owned businesses. It is a very successful political ploy that can be adapted to all sorts of situations. One of the reasons why both pro-Obama and anti-Obama observers may be reluctant to see him as fascist is that both tend to accept the prevailing notion that fascism is on the political right, while it is obvious that Obama is on the political left. Back in the 1920s, however, when fascism was a new political development, it was widely -- and correctly -- regarded as being on the political left. Jonah Goldberg's great book "Liberal Fascism" cites overwhelming evidence of the fascists' consistent pursuit of the goals of the left, and of the left's embrace of the fascists as one of their own during the 1920s.... http://townhall.com/columnists/thomassowell/2012/06/12/socialist_or_fascist/page/full |
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07 Feb 14 - 10:49 PM (#3599370) Subject: RE: BS: Is Obama a Fascist? From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Hey Songwronger, what instrument do you play?...and what kind of music? GfS |
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08 Feb 14 - 01:38 AM (#3599377) Subject: RE: BS: Is Obama a Fascist? From: Don Firth Townhall.com is a web-based publication and a print magazine with a conservative viewpoint, primarily dedicated to conservative United States politics. It was previously operated by the Heritage Foundation, but is now owned and operated by Salem Communications. Salem Communications is a group of radio stations dedicated to Right Wing and Christian fundamentalist causes. The article Songwronger cites has also been printed in the World Net Daily newsletter. World Net Daily is an extreme Right Wing newsletter, reflecting the views of the Tea Party. What instrument does Songwronger play? The humdrum. Don Firth |
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08 Feb 14 - 08:45 AM (#3599437) Subject: RE: BS: Is Obama a Fascist? From: akenaton Excellent article SW, but somewhere near the top someone suggested that to be electable , all budding presidents would require a degree in "Fascism". Mr Obama was always a creature of the system, he was cynically put forward by the Democrats as "The first black president" for political purposes... and the trick worked.....95% of the "black vote" Almost the whole membership here fell for the scam. Skin colour is meaningless....the system rules, "the president will do exactly what he is allowed to do." Some famous guy said that....but I cant remember who! |
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08 Feb 14 - 09:09 AM (#3599445) Subject: RE: BS: Is Obama a Fascist? From: Bill D SW began with 'government control' and in the next sentence it was ' government ownership'. ....What Hey, Songwronger... do the Koch brothers send you these ideas directly, or do you just absorb them from the air in Texas? |
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08 Feb 14 - 10:42 AM (#3599471) Subject: RE: BS: Is Obama a Fascist? From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity You are all tugging at the same rope, and just don't see it, especially those so consummately entrenched in partisan ideologies!! ....maybe this will help: A chemistry professor at a large college had some exchange students in the class. One day while the class was in the lab the Professor noticed one young man (exchange student) who kept rubbing his back, and stretching as if his back hurt. The professor asked the young man what was the matter. The student told him he had a bullet lodged in his back. He had been shot while fighting communists in his native country who were trying to overthrow his country's government and install a new communist government. In the midst of his story he looked at the professor and asked a strange question. He asked, 'Do you know how to catch wild pigs?' The professor thought it was a joke and asked for the punch line. The young man said this was no joke. 'You catch wild pigs by finding a suitable place in the woods and putting corn on the ground. The pigs find it and begin to come every day to eat the free corn. When they are used to coming every day, you put a fence down one side of the place where they are used to coming. When they get used to the fence, they begin to eat the corn again and you put up another side of the fence. They get used to that and start to eat again. You continue until you have all four sides of the fence up with a gate in the last side. The pigs, who are used to the free corn, start to come through the gate to eat; you slam the gate on them and catch the whole herd. Suddenly the wild pigs have lost their freedom. They run around and around inside the fence, but they are caught. Soon they go back to eating the free corn. They are so used to it that they have forgotten how to forage in the woods for themselves, so they accept their captivity. The young man then told the professor that is exactly what he sees happening to America. The government keeps pushing us toward socialism and keeps spreading the free corn out in the form of programs such as supplemental income, tax credit for unearned income, tobacco subsidies, dairy subsidies, payments not to plant crops (CRP), welfare, medicine, drugs, etc. While we continually lose our freedoms -- just a little at a time. I found this an extremely fascinating and interesting parable and one I can totally endorse. For we must guard carefully not to fall into the trap of being so dependent on the government that we lose our sense of responsibility for our live and even worse, the very spark of life. Yet, this also brings me to the recognition that we are caught in a rather interesting dilemma are we not. While I agree with the "trap" of the wild pig and the problems that presents, we are also experiencing what happens when you let the pigs (pun intended) run wild (the effect of too much de-regulation for example) and the effects it has on our society overall. – Anyone enjoying the financial crisis we are in? So the real question, (and I believe the true answer) lies in how do we find the right balance. The trouble we have in our political system is we keep running back and forth between taming the wild pigs and letting them run wild. Wildness is good for creativity, entrepreneurialism, and the like. You want the free flow of energy to stimulate new innovation. And yet when you have unbounded flow of energy you have chaos, which then has to correct itself. As we learn to work with the powerful flow of societal energies, I believe we can learn to modulate the unbounded flow of energy while not reaching the point of constraining it to where we are limiting its flow. When are we ever going to get a leader that understands the need for balance and stop with the rhetoric of polar opposite making one side wrong and the other right (and I don't care which side we are talking about). Is it not time for us to have true leadership in this country, and in our companies. Leadership that can connect deeply with the soul of the entity (be it our country or our companies) and guide the energy that flows from there in a balanced way so that we are contributing effectively to our society and our planet? ...................................................................... On another currently running thread, I posted this, which came right from the horse's mouth, in which one resident 'activist' just couldn't believe it! "In a lot of ways Richard Nixon was more liberal than I was," Obama said. To some, that is totally understandable, to others a puzzle. HINT: ALL of the 'heated ideologies' are fences! Some are brain-locked in!!! GfS |
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08 Feb 14 - 10:43 AM (#3599472) Subject: RE: BS: Is Obama a Fascist? From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity 100 bottles of beer on the wall...... GfS |
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08 Feb 14 - 10:57 AM (#3599481) Subject: RE: BS: Is Obama a Fascist? From: akenaton Hey Sanity....if there was a "like" button on your post, I would click it! The "balance" is not in the woolly middle, but the best bits of left and right. |
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08 Feb 14 - 11:13 AM (#3599488) Subject: RE: BS: Is Obama a Fascist? From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Hey, HI!!..Nice to see you're still up! Super Regards! GfS |
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08 Feb 14 - 11:35 AM (#3599492) Subject: RE: BS: Is Obama a Fascist? From: GUEST GfS: When you write a thoughtful post without all the !!!!!!!! and CAPSLOCK, you do a darned good job. As for Ake, he's probably just getting up. Good morning, sunshine :-) |
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08 Feb 14 - 12:00 PM (#3599504) Subject: RE: BS: Is Obama a Fascist? From: Jack the Sailor I find the title of this thread to be impolite. From the history of the opening poster, I think this is no accident. The title is meant to provoke a negative response and is therefor argumentative. I really have no problem with the occasion attempt to provoke. But having a constant argumentative challenge in a thread title where everyone is forced to read it every day. Looking at the thesis of the opening post, perhaps a more polite thread title would be "My case for President (or Mr.) Obama being a Fascist" Or perhaps this thread could be eventually combined with all of the other thread where the overall theme is "I hate President Obama" By Songwronger. I am tired of this poster using loopholes in Joe Offer's unwritten rules of thread titles to troll this forum. |
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08 Feb 14 - 12:16 PM (#3599509) Subject: RE: BS: Is Obama a Fascist? From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity I think that the title of the thread, (being as it is in the form of a question), can get by with the more intelligent of the posters..the less intelligent posters will just stick to their ideological identities, being as outside of their ideological identities, they don't have much else going on....wouldn't you say? GfS |
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08 Feb 14 - 12:18 PM (#3599510) Subject: RE: BS: Is Obama a Fascist? From: Jack the Sailor "the less intelligent posters will just stick to their ideological identities," You are saying that I am intelligent? Rest assured, I am intelligent to know when someone is rudely trying t provoke me. |
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08 Feb 14 - 01:58 PM (#3599536) Subject: RE: BS: Is Obama a Fascist? From: Don Firth GUEST: "GfS: When you write a thoughtful post without all the !!!!!!!! and CAPSLOCK, you do a darned good job." Except for the fact that that story appears on several blogs and web sites on the internet, word for word. Goofus didn't write it. It's "cut-and-paste." Cute story. But people (most people, with certain exceptions) aren't pigs. The fact that you can easily anticipate where the story is going demonstrates that you wouldn't fall for the scam. Don Firth |
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08 Feb 14 - 02:52 PM (#3599552) Subject: RE: BS: Is Obama a Fascist? From: Elmore survey says no. |
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08 Feb 14 - 03:00 PM (#3599555) Subject: RE: BS: Is Obama a Fascist? From: Don Firth Anyone who knows anything at all about Fascism knows that President Obama is not a Fascist. Anyone who makes a claim like that flaunts his own ignorance of political science. And those fleas that hop onto the back of anyone who makes that kind of claim are even more ignorant than the person who makes the assertion. That's not a personal insult. That's a fact! Don Firth |
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08 Feb 14 - 06:20 PM (#3599592) Subject: RE: BS: Is Obama a Fascist? From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Calm down, Don...I was not claiming authorship for the whole post....just some...it's a parable that I posted before, matter of fact, and only posting a perspective closer to mine.. As far as, (Don): "Anyone who knows anything at all about Fascism knows that President Obama is not a Fascist" ...what HE said was, ""In a lot of ways Richard Nixon was more liberal than I was." Sorry he popped your bubble of delusion...don't you think HE knows what HE was talking about? Maybe that puts my whole position in perspective...but to gain perspective, as in stereoscopic vision, you can't have the myopic use of 'one eye'....and a polarized notion of an individual ideology does just that! As I've been saying for years on here now, as given to me by James Baldwin, "Left wing and right wing are on the same bird!" ....(and I even gave credit to the source, so you don't have to choke on your false teeth!) GfS P.S. How come it makes dense to everyone except the 'fencing crew'! |
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08 Feb 14 - 06:25 PM (#3599594) Subject: RE: BS: Is Obama a Fascist? From: Jack the Sailor Don, What GfS is saying is nonsense just nonsense to provoke. Same as the title of this thread. |
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08 Feb 14 - 06:28 PM (#3599595) Subject: RE: BS: Is Obama a Fascist? From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity ...or is that 'sense'? ...as in common sense... GfS |
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08 Feb 14 - 07:17 PM (#3599604) Subject: RE: BS: Is Obama a Fascist? From: Don Firth Right, Jack. And with all due respect to James Baldwin (assuming that he actually said that), Right Wing and Left Wing have nothing to do with birds. In the States General in France in the late eighteenth century, leading up to the French Revolution. From Wikipedia: " The terms "Left" and "Right" appeared during the French Revolution of 1789 when members of the National Assembly divided into supporters of the king to the president's right and supporters of the revolution to his left.Nothing to do with birds. Don Firth |
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08 Feb 14 - 07:28 PM (#3599606) Subject: RE: BS: Is Obama a Fascist? From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Even a turkey? GfS |
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08 Feb 14 - 07:28 PM (#3599607) Subject: RE: BS: Is Obama a Fascist? From: Jack the Sailor Would someone tell the Tea Party they are supporting the Aristocracy? |
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08 Feb 14 - 07:36 PM (#3599611) Subject: RE: BS: Is Obama a Fascist? From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Will someone tell the 'liberals' that Obama is a front man for the corporations and banksters....Oh yeah, I almost forgot, he's black, right, so he must be for the poor under-trodden...and now the libs need a woman..a black woman...ho about Condoleeza Rice??!!?? Now you can get one over on the Hilary crowd!...but really......same difference! GfS |
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08 Feb 14 - 07:41 PM (#3599615) Subject: RE: BS: Is Obama a Fascist? From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Except Codi is a bit smarter, and Hilary tries to be more cunning...but represent blacks or women???? (There is none on a dollar bill!). GfS |
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08 Feb 14 - 11:15 PM (#3599652) Subject: RE: BS: Is Obama a Fascist? From: Don Firth CLICKY Don Firth |
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09 Feb 14 - 01:37 AM (#3599665) Subject: RE: BS: Is Obama a Fascist? From: GUEST These ignorant assholes (GFS, Shitwringer, etc.) Have really made a formerly fun and stimulating place hideously distasteful. Sad thing is they know it. |
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09 Feb 14 - 02:11 AM (#3599675) Subject: RE: BS: Is Obama a Fascist? From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Love Rowan!! Great pic! Glad to see your contributing to the topic's discussion. Don't get your nose bent, because your favored President isn't what he presented himself to the propagandized media outlets. It happens quite regularly. Meanwhile, the corporate/government/banksters keep hittin' us with a right and a left...and while you root for your 'side' to win, it never does, just partly....then they hand off to the 'other side'..while THEIR agenda marches forward. Still think Obama won't approve the Keystone pipeline?...Maybe he'll 'work out a deal'(rolls eyes), to keep Obamacare, in 'trade' for the pipeline....that way the corporate insurers will make a bunch of money, the government will have and exhaustive profile of everybody, and tighter controls on them, and the pipeline will be sold to the public as a 'practical solution' to afford Obamacare!...Meanwhile, no real socialized healthcare, oil companies are happy, we would export 60% of the oil, in accordance with NAFTA, and then you can vote for more 'Hope and Change', and root for your side.....and even get yourself to believe that the politicians are really representing you....and me...and everybody who 'voted' for them. Hey, do you think before the Keystone pipeline gets approved, the President will know exactly when to move his investments to oil?? Talk about 'income inequality'!!!....That's for public consumption, not a moral code that any of them are living by! Just remember my rap about being in the ring with the boxer. 'Conservative' and 'Liberal' agendas...? As far as they are concerned, they don't exist....(which should answer 'Guest's' question to me, about 'the 'so-called liberal agenda')...there is none...but it make a great excuse. Under Bush, they worked the 'patriotism' charade to the 'Conservatives'...Obama worked the 'social justice' rap to the liberals....and it worked...after all, he was a black 'community organizer', so he MUST(?) know and care about that, right??....(rolls eyes)... Anyway, have a pleasant delusion...should be a lot of fun, complete with insane anxieties, and more hoping for change, and rooting for your 'side'(?) As for me...I'm just gonna' keep working on the music...if I want 'Hope and Change', I'll buy a three dollar lottery ticket with a five dollar bill! Besides, working on the music helps to keep you objective...............and helps with keeping you free. GfS P.S. And remember, "In a lot of ways Richard Nixon was more liberal than I was," Obama said. |
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09 Feb 14 - 02:21 AM (#3599678) Subject: RE: BS: Is Obama a Fascist? From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity No, Guest, we haven't, but sometimes the truth doesn't play sides. The guys who are making polarization a bummer, make their living off of it. If you've read much of my posts, I've never believed in them. If your read the papers and followed the 'news', I imagine it's getting harder for you to believe them too. As I've said a few times on here, "Snap now, and avoid the rush!" GfS |
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09 Feb 14 - 09:29 AM (#3599744) Subject: RE: BS: Is Obama a Fascist? From: Elmore Breaking News. Obama Still Not a Fascist. Details at 11. |
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09 Feb 14 - 10:09 AM (#3599756) Subject: RE: BS: Is Obama a Fascist? From: Jack the Sailor >>These ignorant assholes (GFS, Shitwringer, etc.) Have really made a formerly fun and stimulating place hideously distasteful. Sad thing is they know it. << They are part of the problem. What about this kind of talk? "ignorant assholes (GFS, Shitwringer, etc.)" |
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09 Feb 14 - 10:16 AM (#3599757) Subject: RE: BS: Is Obama a Fascist? From: GUEST http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TJPrRaXU4U0 Some songs just hit the nail . . . |
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09 Feb 14 - 11:29 AM (#3599773) Subject: RE: BS: Is Obama a Fascist? From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Cappy Jack: "What about this kind of talk? "ignorant assholes (GFS, Shitwringer, etc.)" Well, if it comes from the 'so-called liberals' it gets a pass. That's one of the problems with when intellectual dishonesty meets biased control. Simple as that. GfS |
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09 Feb 14 - 11:57 AM (#3599781) Subject: RE: BS: Is Obama a Fascist? From: Jack the Sailor GfS, Does it come as news to you to hear that you are often very impolite? Take it down a few notches please. Also... How is GUEST getting a pass on what I just pointed out? |
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09 Feb 14 - 12:21 PM (#3599791) Subject: RE: BS: Is Obama a Fascist? From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Cappy Jack: "How is GUEST getting a pass on what I just pointed out?" I like 'Guest'.....(assuming that 'Guest' is B.M.)...that being said, how does this make sense?: His last two posts..... From: GUEST Date: 08 Feb 14 - 11:35 AM "GfS: When you write a thoughtful post without all the !!!!!!!! and CAPSLOCK, you do a darned good job. As for Ake, he's probably just getting up. Good morning, sunshine :-)" ...and then this turn around: From: GUEST Date: 09 Feb 14 - 01:37 AM "These ignorant assholes (GFS, Shitwringer, etc.) Have really made a formerly fun and stimulating place hideously distasteful. Sad thing is they know it." Makes sense to you, I suppose! GfS |
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09 Feb 14 - 12:57 PM (#3599808) Subject: RE: BS: Is Obama a Fascist? From: Jeri It's a bitch when you have to respond based on what a person wrote, ain't it? Especially when you're used to focusing on a name to aim your hatred at. |
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09 Feb 14 - 01:32 PM (#3599817) Subject: RE: BS: Is Obama a Fascist? From: Jack the Sailor LOL!! Good one! I'm not sure that GfS's opinion can be "aimed" I think of his writing more as a manure spreader than a rifle. |
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09 Feb 14 - 06:25 PM (#3599872) Subject: RE: BS: Is Obama a Fascist? From: Songwronger Continuing with the column mentioned above: ...Back in the 1920s, however, when fascism was a new political development, it was widely -- and correctly -- regarded as being on the political left. Jonah Goldberg's great book "Liberal Fascism" cites overwhelming evidence of the fascists' consistent pursuit of the goals of the left, and of the left's embrace of the fascists as one of their own during the 1920s. Mussolini, the originator of fascism, was lionized by the left, both in Europe and in America, during the 1920s. Even Hitler, who adopted fascist ideas in the 1920s, was seen by some, including W.E.B. Du Bois, as a man of the left. It was in the 1930s, when ugly internal and international actions by Hitler and Mussolini repelled the world, that the left distanced themselves from fascism and its Nazi offshoot -- and verbally transferred these totalitarian dictatorships to the right, saddling their opponents with these pariahs. What socialism, fascism and other ideologies of the left have in common is an assumption that some very wise people -- like themselves -- need to take decisions out of the hands of lesser people, like the rest of us, and impose those decisions by government fiat. The left's vision is not only a vision of the world, but also a vision of themselves, as superior beings pursuing superior ends. In the United States, however, this vision conflicts with a Constitution that begins, "We the People..." That is why the left has for more than a century been trying to get the Constitution's limitations on government loosened or evaded by judges' new interpretations, based on notions of "a living Constitution" that will take decisions out of the hands of "We the People," and transfer those decisions to our betters. The self-flattery of the vision of the left also gives its true believers a huge ego stake in that vision, which means that mere facts are unlikely to make them reconsider, regardless of what evidence piles up against the vision of the left, and regardless of its disastrous consequences. Only our own awareness of the huge stakes involved can save us from the rampaging presumptions of our betters, whether they are called socialists or fascists. So long as we buy their heady rhetoric, we are selling our birthright of freedom. http://townhall.com/columnists/thomassowell/2012/06/12/socialist_or_fascist/page/full |
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09 Feb 14 - 07:02 PM (#3599878) Subject: RE: BS: Is Obama a Fascist? From: GUEST From: GUEST Date: 08 Feb 14 - 11:35 AM That one was me, GfS. I have no idea who the other one was from. |
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10 Feb 14 - 12:52 AM (#3599932) Subject: RE: BS: Is Obama a Fascist? From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Thanks for clearing that up...Sometimes we have been not altogether agreed on everything, but the second one seemed out of character for you. I'm sure Little Hawk would have dug it. Hey, have you seen or heard of him, lately? As far as the others, more nasty name calling and inferences, but not a single countering FACT. Says a lot about the intellect of emotionally charged partisan parrots. Now if only you could harness the angst, and make it come out through your music. Works for me! GfS |
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10 Feb 14 - 05:40 PM (#3600193) Subject: RE: BS: Is Obama a Fascist? From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Hmmm...No countering facts....I guess not only did they run out of nasty names to call people who disagree and produce FACTS, they must have run out of childish names. Says a lot for their mental capacities! GfS |
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10 Feb 14 - 06:04 PM (#3600199) Subject: RE: BS: Is Obama a Fascist? From: Don Firth Too busy accomplishing things in the REAL, FACTUAL world to waste time with-- No, however well deserved, I won't say it. Don Firth |
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10 Feb 14 - 06:06 PM (#3600200) Subject: RE: BS: Is Obama a Fascist? From: Jack the Sailor Keeping the thread going eh GfS? |
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10 Feb 14 - 06:34 PM (#3600207) Subject: RE: BS: Is Obama a Fascist? From: Don Firth It's the only social life he's got, Jack. . . . Don Firth |
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10 Feb 14 - 06:38 PM (#3600209) Subject: RE: BS: Is Obama a Fascist? From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Still no facts!... here, work on this one, being as you all glossed over it!: "In a lot of ways Richard Nixon was more liberal than I was," Obama said. Now choke on your talking point pablum...at least you got a free toy in the box! GfS |
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10 Feb 14 - 06:45 PM (#3600210) Subject: RE: BS: Is Obama a Fascist? From: GUEST Jesus H Christ! Can nobody shut these fucking imbeciles up?
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10 Feb 14 - 06:54 PM (#3600213) Subject: RE: BS: Is Obama a Fascist? From: Songwronger Another interesting article, which quotes from Sowell's column: Barack Obama: Socialist or Nouveau Fascist? ...So if Obama isn't a socialist, what is he? Economically speaking it's far more accurate to say that he is a fascist -- a supporter of dirigisme, in which government manages the economy through central planning, not collective ownership. Fascism did not seek to stamp out the innovative, wealth-creating potential of profit-seeking investment and entrepreneurship - instead it sought to channel those innovations (and funnel that wealth) to the good of the state. "In fascist Italy the state pays for the blunders of private enterprise," Italian social critic Gaetano Salvemini wrote in the mid-1930s. When business was good, "profit remained to private initiative." However when downturns came (as they inevitably do), "the government added the loss to the taxpayer's burden." "Profit is private and individual," Salvemini wrote. "Loss is public and social." This is the basis of fascism's "third way" between laissez-faire capitalism and Marxism. It's also precisely the economic system we see at work in America today, a centralized bureaucratic oligarchy in which farm subsidies, investments in "green jobs," Wall Street bailouts, Export-Import Bank subsidies and numerous other taxpayer-funded incentives manipulate the market to serve specific political purposes. Obviously the fascist analogy isn't perfect. Unlike Obama, fascists abhorred class warfare (and labor's efforts to foment it) because such societal divisions ran counter to their nationalist ideology. And while fascist economic policies can certainly perpetuate the redistribution of wealth, they also tend to create powerful privileged elites that leverage tax dollars and political favors so as to manipulate the market in their favor. So is Obama's brand of 21st century socialism/ nouveau fascism really "more insidious" than pure socialism, as Sowell suggests? Yes, because unlike socialism - the public sector never "takes a loss," as the recent bureaucratic bailouts made clear. Also consider this: Is any property really "private" if the government can take it based on little more than a whim? And is any sector of the economy really "private" as long as government can swoop in and set its prices and production quotas? And finally, is any market truly "free" if government can compel citizens to make specific purchases? Of course not -- all of which makes Obama's ideology dangerous no matter what label we slap on it. http://spectator.org/articles/35250/barack-obama-socialist-or-nouveau-fascist |
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10 Feb 14 - 07:25 PM (#3600224) Subject: RE: BS: Is Obama a Fascist? From: Don Firth Hmm. Apparently not. Don Firth |
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10 Feb 14 - 09:05 PM (#3600249) Subject: RE: BS: Is Obama a Fascist? From: Elmore SW: the President is not a fascist, but Howie Rich is a right wing loon, and a tool for the iniquitous DICK Army. .
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10 Feb 14 - 10:09 PM (#3600262) Subject: RE: BS: Is Obama a Fascist? From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity The 'Other Guest'(who is too insecure to use his own 'identity')...: "Jesus H Christ! Can nobody shut these fucking imbeciles up?" Yeah!! Try giving an intelligent response, instead of all the juvenile cat calling and objections, to being asked to comment on your actual position, based on information and not emotional immaturity. (BTW, that's what public forums are for!...aren't they??? I think even SRS MIGHT even agree. GfS |
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11 Feb 14 - 01:40 AM (#3600280) Subject: RE: BS: Is Obama a Fascist? From: Don Firth There have been plenty of intelligent responses to the subject of this thread, but there are those who seem incapable of grasping them. So why should one keep trying when those who keep demanding intelligent responses don't even recognize them? Same as my neighbor's yappy little Yorkshire terrier. Don Firth |
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11 Feb 14 - 01:42 AM (#3600282) Subject: RE: BS: Is Obama a Fascist? From: Don Firth Not an insult, by the way. Just a simple, straightforward fact. Don Firth |
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11 Feb 14 - 12:07 PM (#3600411) Subject: RE: BS: Is Obama a Fascist? From: GUEST,jts Don, Do you try to shut the terrier up by giving it treats whenever it barks? |
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11 Feb 14 - 01:39 PM (#3600429) Subject: RE: BS: Is Obama a Fascist? From: Don Firth No, JtS. All I need to do is come out of the house and as soon as it sees me, it starts to bark. He's only about the size of a hairy little rat, but he thinks he's the Hound of the Baskervilles. It would be kind of funny if it weren't also a bit sad. Don Firth |
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11 Feb 14 - 02:06 PM (#3600438) Subject: RE: BS: Is Obama a Fascist? From: Greg F. Hey, lay off the rats, Don. They're really noble little critters. |
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11 Feb 14 - 02:18 PM (#3600445) Subject: RE: BS: Is Obama a Fascist? From: Don Firth My apologies to the rats. Many of them work very hard, often risking their lives, as lab assistants. Don Firth |
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11 Feb 14 - 03:52 PM (#3600480) Subject: RE: BS: Is Obama a Fascist? From: Greg F. Many of them work very hard, often risking their lives, as lab assistants. Damn right! Lot more than a great many humans do. |
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11 Feb 14 - 06:27 PM (#3600544) Subject: RE: BS: Is Obama a Fascist? From: GUEST,Troubadour "I think even SRS MIGHT even agree." SRS is far too intelligent to fall for SW's bullshit hate speeches or your hysterical and incoherent crap. The forgetful GUEST was me, as pointed out by a helpful elf, and I don't apologise for one single word of my disgust at the ranting nonsense spouted by the two of you. You both belong in a nice safe padded room where you can't harm yourselves. |
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11 Feb 14 - 11:43 PM (#3600595) Subject: RE: BS: Is Obama a Fascist? From: Songwronger A large component of fascism is suppression of dissent. Witness Troubadour, Jack the Sailor and Silly River Sage lamenting that dissenting opinion can be expressed here. All I contend is that Obama talks socialist but acts fascist. It's easy to see, IF you're not blinded by partisan propaganda. Obama says he's on the side of working people and the weak, yet he gives money to the elite and the strong. Fascism is bad. You're supposed to be tolerant, mudcat, not thuggish. Put away your fascist rhetoric and prejudices. |
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12 Feb 14 - 12:26 AM (#3600599) Subject: RE: BS: Is Obama a Fascist? From: Don Firth No one here is trying to suppress dissent, SW, so you may as well get off that bus, because it's going nowhere. The fact is that your posts reek with such irrational hatred for Barack Obama, the duly and legally elected President of the United States, that you are grossly insulting the majority of the American electorate. You can't expect people NOT to hold the opinion that you are way out of line. Go ahead and cut-and-paste every article and blog that you can find by other Obama haters, but just remember, freedom of speech goes both ways. People have every right to regard you—and for that matter—call you—a disgusting hate-monger. The only Fascist I see here is the person who keeps repeating the doctrine of the Aryan Brotherhood of Texas, who would lynch the President if they could get their hands on him. Have at it, Songwronger. You are committing suicide with the same weapon the the Bible tells us Samson used to slay 1,000 Philistines. If you don't know what I'm talking about look it up. You're perfectly free to say any stupid thing you want to. But other people are also free to jeer at your asininities. Or to put in more simply, if you can't stand the heat, don't sit on the barbeque. Don Firth |
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12 Feb 14 - 12:34 PM (#3600778) Subject: RE: BS: Is Obama a Fascist? From: Elmore The President has not abandoned the Democrats to join the Fascist Party. However our Governor, Nathan Deal abandoned the Democrats and joined the Republicans. (in 1995) |
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12 Feb 14 - 03:53 PM (#3600843) Subject: RE: BS: Is Obama a Fascist? From: Jack the Sailor From: Songwronger - PM Date: 11 Feb 14 - 11:43 PM "Silly River Sage" If you click on the "membership" page you will find the following. You are free to be anything you want EXCEPT unkind, impolite, argumentative, snooty, or either FOR or AGAINST that of-what-we-do-not-speak. It is not your dissent I object to. It is your rudeness. You can't get anyone to pay the amount of attention to you that you want without provoking people and disrespecting the Office of the President. Be ashamed sir. Be ashamed! |
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12 Feb 14 - 03:57 PM (#3600847) Subject: RE: BS: Is Obama a Fascist? From: Elmore SW has no shame. |
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15 Feb 14 - 11:26 PM (#3601863) Subject: RE: BS: Is Obama a Fascist? From: GUEST,Great Folk Songs "No one here is trying to suppress dissent, SW, so you may as well get off that bus, because it's going nowhere." That's an up-front hypocritical lie! GfS has been blocked again for nothing, except his direct quote from Obama, and he asked for an explanation, and instead of answering him, he got blocked out!...Again! |
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15 Feb 14 - 11:32 PM (#3601864) Subject: RE: BS: Is Obama a Fascist? From: GUEST,Great Folk Songs So I'll ask it for him, again. "In a lot of ways Richard Nixon was more liberal than I was," Obama said. Do you think he is right? wrong? or Do you think he doesn't know what he is talking about? Great Folk Songs |
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16 Feb 14 - 02:22 AM (#3601871) Subject: RE: BS: Is Obama a Fascist? From: Ebbie OK, let's put it in context. Like most of us, I imagine, I listened to the pre-Superbowl O'Reilly/Obama interview. I knew in what context the President said it but I had to look up the transcript for it. President Obama was referring to the fond belief the Republicans hold close that the President is "the most liberal US president ever", even though the facts don't even come close to supporting that view. President Nixon is believed by the Republicans to have been an acceptably conservative president- I have heard it said that no other president in modern times could have gone to China as he did to proffer an olive branch. It was a very LIBERAL act. As President Obama said in the interview, President Nixon proposed and passed a number of issues and laws, like the EPA (which the Republicans currently loathe) and set in motion a lot of regulations that affect our air and water even today. To the good. Those were LIBERAL acts. President Obama, on the other hand, has not been able to pass many or even most of his liberal desires, due to the very same people who allowed President Nixon to get away with it. |
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16 Feb 14 - 09:39 AM (#3601930) Subject: RE: BS: Is Obama a Fascist? From: GUEST WTF has GfS been blocked? |
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16 Feb 14 - 09:44 AM (#3601931) Subject: RE: BS: Is Obama a Fascist? From: Jeri The quote is in this thread five times, and I see no evidence of him being blocked. I think there might be health issues? |
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16 Feb 14 - 10:08 AM (#3601941) Subject: RE: BS: Is Obama a Fascist? From: GUEST So now we can add Great Folk Songs to the bullshitter list. |
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16 Feb 14 - 11:24 AM (#3601956) Subject: RE: BS: Is Obama a Fascist? From: GUEST Guest from sanity Great folk songs Coincidence? |
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16 Feb 14 - 02:49 PM (#3602018) Subject: RE: BS: Is Obama a Fascist? From: Jack the Sailor "It could be that he has multiple personality disorder. " I can't think of anything more unkind than to come on this forum than to anonymously claim that a poster has a mental disorder. This is made worse by the fact the the chosen names of the poster and the subject of the post strongly imply that neither are sane. |
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16 Feb 14 - 02:56 PM (#3602020) Subject: RE: BS: Is Obama a Fascist? From: Jack the Sailor We have two ongoing threads which rudely invoke the President's last name whose opening posts echo the theme "Songwonger hates President" which have no posts at all that didn't concern the relative degrees of stupidity of the opening poster, GfS or one or more of the people arguing with them. Since one post now is discussing GfS's faults with sidebars, into SW's fault and the other is about SW's faults with forays into complaining about GfS, wouldn't it be simpler if the threads were combined at this point? |
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16 Feb 14 - 07:21 PM (#3602062) Subject: RE: BS: Is Obama a Fascist? From: GUEST Spare us all, please O honorary moderator. |
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16 Feb 14 - 09:01 PM (#3602090) Subject: RE: BS: Is Obama a Fascist? From: Jack the Sailor Spare us please oh cowardly poster. |
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16 Feb 14 - 10:21 PM (#3602101) Subject: RE: BS: Is Obama a Fascist? From: Songwronger Your attempts to suppress criticism of Obama are fascist, Jack. Should I call him Soetoro? Isn't that one of the names on one of his birth certificates? |
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17 Feb 14 - 03:40 AM (#3602124) Subject: RE: BS: Is Obama a Fascist? From: Big Al Whittle lets put it another way songwronger..... you are pissing on the memory of our sacred dead who gave their lives to fight fascism, by using fascist as a term of abuse for a politician whom you don't like much. that's why your messages stick in the craw of many of us of a certain age. why don't you go another site where talk of democrooks and other forms of cheap abuse are general tenor of conversation .. yahoo has a lot of them - start at the jazz page, which is riddled with fourteen year old twerps parroting what their dumb parents tell them, you would be a mental giant amongst that lot.....a spiritual leader. |
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17 Feb 14 - 08:37 AM (#3602203) Subject: RE: BS: Is Obama a Fascist? From: GUEST JtS is not a fascist. Stop using terms you don't understand. |
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17 Feb 14 - 08:51 AM (#3602210) Subject: RE: BS: Is Obama a Fascist? From: Jack the Sailor I agree with GUEST and Big Al. Calling me a fascist is disrespectful to the people who lost their lives. Calling the President a fascist is just stupid. But of course all you are doing is saying stupid things to get a reaction. No one is going to pay attention to your silly hatred, if it is presented reasonably. Right? |
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17 Feb 14 - 08:54 AM (#3602211) Subject: RE: BS: Is Obama a Fascist? From: GUEST Don't confuse stupidity with fascism, SW. They can be one and the same thing, but not in Jack's case. |
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17 Feb 14 - 11:19 PM (#3602441) Subject: RE: BS: Is Obama a Fascist? From: Jack the Sailor Wow Guest, you are really itching for a fight with me aren't you? :-) I think I'll not match your stupidity by responding in kind. |
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18 Feb 14 - 02:13 AM (#3602461) Subject: RE: BS: Is Obama a Fascist? From: Ebbie It is difficult to combat someone with a hood over his face. Don't bother, JtS. |
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18 Feb 14 - 03:13 AM (#3602463) Subject: RE: BS: Is Obama a Fascist? From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Well, I'm finally 'unblocked' out....it happened after this one: From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Date: 10 Feb 14 - 10:09 PM "The 'Other Guest'(who is too insecure to use his own 'identity')...: "Jesus H Christ! Can nobody shut these fucking imbeciles up?" Yeah!! Try giving an intelligent response, instead of all the juvenile cat calling and objections, to being asked to comment on your actual position, based on information and not emotional immaturity. (BTW, that's what public forums are for!...aren't they??? I think even SRS MIGHT even agree." ...and YES I was blocked out, for a few days.....It's the second time. ................................................................. OK!... That being said, the ONLY intelligent response to my quote from Obama, came from Ebbie, which I'll respond to, but not tonight...(too tired). .......................................... As to 'Great Folk Songs' being a 'co-incidence'.....I was there when he was typing it, being as I answered his question to, "Are you still writing on that forum?".....from a bass player of whom we've been jamming with. I explained it, and he took a look, and could not believe that I was 'blocked out', for my last post. I just smiled, and said, "Figures, These guys aren't thinking things through very far." So he proceeded to get his post in.....we mused with the name for the 'poster'...so whichever 'Guest' commented, was half-way correct. I wondered if someone would catch it....ideologues are great at picking up on little stuff....while not having a clue on the big, very obvious.....but I'll get into that in my response to Ebbie. (Good reply, BTW, Ebbie!) Later! GfS |
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18 Feb 14 - 02:00 PM (#3602611) Subject: RE: BS: Is Obama a Fascist? From: Jack the Sailor Sorry you were blocked GfS. What did you learn? |
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18 Feb 14 - 02:02 PM (#3602612) Subject: RE: BS: Is Obama a Fascist? From: Jack the Sailor Oops ... Please feel free to delete my last two posts on this thread, including this one, if you can. |
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18 Feb 14 - 02:56 PM (#3602625) Subject: RE: BS: Is Obama a Fascist? From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity JtS: "What did you learn?" Nothing....I was hoping that those who blocked, might someday flash that suppression of the truth, or at least healthy discussion, is indicative that their position is one of suppression, and suppression, history has shown us, just plain doesn't work! When time plays out its course, truth is going to win out EVERY time. Those who see it first, are the ones who get suppressed by those who have a TEMPORARY remedial agenda....to fix the last TEMPORARY remedial agenda, that was a con job to begin with!..that's why they want to suppress the truth! Ebbie, I'll get to yours, still.....you might not like it at first, until you see what's been up with our two party bullshit artists! GfS |
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18 Feb 14 - 02:59 PM (#3602627) Subject: RE: BS: Is Obama a Fascist? From: Jack the Sailor GfS, I'm sure it is not about political suppression. I think it about you treating other people as if they are stupid. |
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18 Feb 14 - 05:45 PM (#3602668) Subject: RE: BS: Is Obama a Fascist? From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Political suppression to keep people uninformed IS stupid! Politics uses the divide to allow certain facts to come out, to each of their followings, and keep people stupid, in regards to the WHOLE picture....so would it suffice to say, that partisan politics, is the method of keeping people HALF-stupid?...only telling them what you WANT them to hear, to support one side or the other? Just look at all the name calling, and attempts to discredit people on here, as a method of avoiding the WHOLE picture. Do you call that 'wisdom'??????....Do you call that 'intellectual honesty'??..Do you call that 'maturity'???....Do you call that putting forth a 'better idea'????.....or just people reaching the limits of their indoctrinations, while knowing not HOW to think, and substituting that with being indoctrinated as to WHAT to think???...and when they run out of 'ready made talking point answers' they resort to name calling and immature name calling??? Shit..You're the one wanting to 'moderate'...can't you tell the difference? To get into this further, I need to reply to Ebbie...there are some things in there that might open some eyeballs. After all, it was Obama's statement that, "In a lot of ways Richard Nixon was more liberal than I was".....and he either was correct or not correct....beauty, as well as ugly, is in the eyes of the beholder. When it runs cross-grain to what 'liberals' or conservatives, THOUGHT, maybe it's time to RE-CONSIDER your positions, and find out what HE meant. To me, the explanation is perfectly clear....all you have to do is consider WHO he is working for, and why! ....and not swallow the talking points, as to why, if he was so 'liberal' did he funnel the healthcare through private insurance companies, instead of a straight government funded program...and on top of that, provide a bailout for the insurance companies....and NOT for the people needing healthcare!!!...and it's NOT because the Republicans stood in the way(that's a bullshit talking point) When Obamacare was passed the Democrats had the Presidency, the Senate, and the House of 'Representatives'....so ANYONE who uses that B.S. rap, doesn't know shit from Shinola...and is willfully deceiving people...and that is STUPID!...wouldn't you agree?? As i pointed out before, people will try to make the best decisions based on the information given to them....if they are deceived, that doesn't make them 'evil'..it only means that they were trying to do the best, but with bad information....it is the DECEIVERS, who know they are deceiving, who are practicing evil! ..Once a person gets good info, then hopefully they will continue on to make the best decisions, as they were, but this time getting accurate info. Those who think they are so 'clever' for their ability to spin the truth, just to bolster their deceptions, OR faulty positions, should be viewed with EXTREME skepticism, both for their morals AND integrity!.....Ya' think ???!! ....and if they persist, Maybe even tarred and feathered, and run out of town on a rail, like some fast-talking snake oil salesman. Unfortunately our political system is in shambles....not because of Obama or Bush(es), Clinton(s), Nixon, Ford, Carter etc etc but what and who they represent, and why. I fault any of them with not leveling with us, the people....and I don't give a tinker's damn about what fucking party they are pretending to represent. ....but how could you be stupid??.....You knew that all along, didn't you? GfS |
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18 Feb 14 - 06:20 PM (#3602672) Subject: RE: BS: Is Obama a Fascist? From: Jack the Sailor GfS you are not being politically suppressed. |
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19 Feb 14 - 04:19 AM (#3602737) Subject: RE: BS: Is Obama a Fascist? From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Oh, I know!...I'm not a political cat...but suppressed? Yeppers..probably because I'm NOT a political cat....I'm just not as crazy as some of the obsessed, rabid wannabes on here(or for that matter, not in here). If there is one thing that is a complete waste of anyone's time and talents, is trying to find a solution for a lie...and boy!..are there a bunch on here who have been lied to for so long, they couldn't even recognize the truth, even if they hadn't noticed that they've exhausted themselves, by making all sorts of 'spun' excuses for 'their' party's failed bullshit! You just can't explain it all away, without chasing your own tail(talk about spinning!!) As to Ebbie,(sorry, I didn't do this before, but it's been a long week!) Ebbie: "OK, let's put it in context. Like most of us, I imagine, I listened to the pre-Superbowl O'Reilly/Obama interview. I knew in what context the President said it but I had to look up the transcript for it. President Obama was referring to the fond belief the Republicans hold close that the President is "the most liberal US president ever", even though the facts don't even come close to supporting that view." True.(But that's only because the Republicans, like the Democrats, are told what to think) "President Nixon is believed by the Republicans to have been an acceptably conservative president- I have heard it said that no other president in modern times could have gone to China as he did to proffer an olive branch. It was a very LIBERAL act." Actually Prescott Bush had been working that angle since the '50's..and a 'liberal act'?..more like NWO/bankster/multinational corporate business, but for the sake of your point, I don't see why you say it was 'liberal'. Nixon was touted as being a 'true statesman' at the time, (remember?) "As President Obama said in the interview, President Nixon proposed and passed a number of issues and laws, like the EPA (which the Republicans currently loathe) and set in motion a lot of regulations that affect our air and water even today. To the good. Those were LIBERAL acts." OK...This is the bit of slight of hand, liberal or not, who knows? Today, it is seen as 'liberal'..but in reality, if China was going to be developing as a 'player' in the International Conglomerate, they needed to be able to 'control its growth or progress'. Keeping in mind, that this wasn't as much of an American project, as it was an 'economic leveraging'. To do that, instead of anti-monopoly and anti-trust laws, they needed an International Regulatory Body of 'regulations'....now here's the trick that sly bastards have been using, (and you can look this up) It's called 'Captive Regulations' an example ...What it is, is that to control the interests of the Global money controllers, 'regulations' are formed and stacked to control the markets, to protect the Bankster profiteers, and to control virtually EVERYTHING, while circumnavigating the laws of any given country. In other words, they lock everyone else out of the game they're playing! A common one is INSURANCE! 'Environmental' issues..(which have NOTHING to do with the 'environment',BTW...that rap is the one they use to 'sell it'.....however, the environment is important....just not why they 'regulate'. If you're a 'liberal' you would be concerned about the environment, of course, but if you're a Global venture capitalist, you don't want anyone else developing the way YOU did(or even better)...hence, they merge regulations to insure that.....and always in their favor, not the people's! Another stellar example, Kissinger, 1979 makes a deal with the Saudis, we buy their oil, they buy our Treasury notes and we agree not to drill here....but we are told by the Carter Administration that our domestic drilling was halted for environmental reasons. The 'liberals' think they have won an environmental issue...the 'conservatives' get pissed at the 'environmental wackos'..but it had NOTHING to do with environmentalists...but they take the rap for all the new 'regulations'....meanwhile hostilities grow between the 'conservatives' and the 'liberals' over it...the domestic oil companies are pissed and restricted....and blame the 'environmentalists'....but there is nothing they can do about it, because of the 'captive regulations'....enacted to protect the interests of the global bankers. When the time is of their choosing, those 'regulations' will be lifted...but not before the Mideast, is so disrupted, that 'we' HAVE to drill here...that way the treaty with the Mideast is broken, but it was pre-planned all along to rip them off, (for the advantage of the banksters)....America 'gets' to drill, the notes don't get paid back, because the 'agreement' was made to the former Saudi government. As I've said before, (for a couple of years) two governments have yet to be disrupted..Jordan and the Saudis...which we will see happen...when it happens, just remember that you heard it first here on Mudcat, of all places!! "President Obama, on the other hand, has not been able to pass many or even most of his liberal desires, due to the very same people who allowed President Nixon to get away with it." RIGHT!!!...but it's not who you think it is. It's not the 'conservatives', it's not the Republicans....the two parties are working together at the behest of the global banksters...who also own the media(s), and who also control the national dialogue. Not only can Obama NOT pass what YOU THINK are his 'liberal desires' he is also passing the desires of the banksters...under the guise of 'liberalism', just the same way the 'conservatives' are ALLOWED to pass (or not pass), their stated 'ideological agendas'. Haven't you noticed that their positions 'change' once the 'other party' gains 'control(?) of the Administrations??? What they were AGAINST, their suddenly FOR, once the parties shift??? Listen to Obama's speeches BEFORE he was President, and compare them with his actions, once he was in office. No difference than the guy he replaced! Listen to him say how Bush's deficits were 'obscene' then run up multiples of it!...Listen to him jump on Bush for Bush's power grab for 'Executive Orders'...then go hog-wild, doing the same. Forget that you voted for a 'black liberal' ......that's for appealing to the 'need for change'....when in fact, it's the same old shit!.......and speaking of payoffs, look at ALL the 'bailouts' and stimulus monies, and what do we have to show for it???? Every one of them was money thrown away!! Stimulus jobs??????...Where??....green energy grants??...everyone of them kaput!....Obamacare??...money for the insurance companies, INCLUDING bailout money for them...BUT NOT FOR THE PATIENTS.....and meanwhile the noose tightens for the common citizen. What is there not to understand?? It's happening every day that we live...and yet STILL, the media has the public fooled that it is a Conservative/Liberal clash and tug of war!! Want another simple example?....in Vietnam, the 'war' was prolonged to accommodate the heroin trade from the 'Golden Triangle', and the shipment of arms to the Shah of Iran....then the public turned against the war....(The Democrats co-opted the 'Peace Movement' while pandering to the drug use)....so we got out of Vietnam and went where?..Central America..which just so happened to be gushing with cocaine and pot, which just co-incidentally became a VERY lucrative enterprise, for the same people who ran the Vietnam operation....now, we're back to heroin.....which happens to be Afghanistan's biggest export....hmm..how'd that happen...another 'co-incidence'?? Colonel Oliver North testified before the House, (Iran/Contra hearings) that the lucrative drug business, is what won the economic war with the Soviets....it sure must have been a massive amounts of bread to pull that off!!!...and it is...and just like Reagan's Administration, this one is STILL supplying guns to the cartels, though they got a flimsy rap to 'justify it'......and the beat goes on! Now to answer 'Guest's' question to me about what I meant by the 'so-called liberal agenda'......the truth is, there is none!..just like there is no 'conservative agenda'.....that's only for us peons to haggle over. did Bush 'restore dignity' to the White House??...Did we all get our 'Hope and Change'?? What we got, between the two of them(and not just limited to those two), is our national wealth drained....and our military being used as a mercenary force for the banksters....(under the guise of 'patriotism', of course)....and of course, perfectly well meaning people fighting with each other's alleged 'thinking'(as witnessed on here!) the truth is, when the big banks compete, lot's of people die....and we don't even get the truth about that, either!! G'Night..love ya'...write some wonderful music, that warms the heart, and brings to memory who we REALLY are!! GfS |
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19 Feb 14 - 04:33 AM (#3602739) Subject: RE: BS: Is Obama a Fascist? From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity .........and that was the VERY short version! GfS |
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19 Feb 14 - 11:06 AM (#3602823) Subject: RE: BS: Is Obama a Fascist? From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Shorter version.....'Captive Regulations' are the 'regulations' that the writers ARE the people being 'regulated' in conjunction with whatever government they are writing it with...making sure that the hen-house is guarded by the correct foxes. It helps keep 'other foxes' from gaining access, and exerts the maximum security for their own brood. It is marketed to the people of being some wonderful, visionary necessity for the people's own 'safety', and publicized as being either 'right' or 'left'....Whether Obama or Nixon is seen as a 'Fascist' or not, is virtually irrelevant! It's all the same thing. GfS |
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19 Feb 14 - 12:18 PM (#3602846) Subject: RE: BS: Is Obama a Fascist? From: Jack the Sailor Thanks for telling us we are stupid. Again. |
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19 Feb 14 - 02:32 PM (#3602905) Subject: RE: BS: Is Obama a Fascist? From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity 'Beauty, as well as ugly, is in the eye of the beholder'!! Maybe it just slipped your memory....it happens. GfS |
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19 Feb 14 - 02:38 PM (#3602908) Subject: RE: BS: Is Obama a Fascist? From: Greg F. But more importantly: Is Ofaschia a Bamist? |
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19 Feb 14 - 03:52 PM (#3602941) Subject: RE: BS: Is Obama a Fascist? From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Read this CAREFULLY...see if it rings a bell!! (even the posted comments! AND........This!!!( and to think, I posted this over two years ago!) Europe Stunned After Being Told "Obama Is Not In Charge" EU Times Sun, Sept 18, 2011 Subject: Obama is Not In Charge Tim Geithner Says He's In Charge "A new report prepared by Russian Deputy Finance Minister Tatyana Nesterenko about the Eurogroup meeting of the Informal Economic and Financial Affairs Council (ECOFIN) in Wroclaw Poland on the growing European debt crisis states that EU Finance Ministers were "left stunned" Friday after they were told by US Treasury Secretary Timothy Geithner [photo top right] that President Obama was "not in charge." According to this report, the "uninvited" US Treasury Secretary showed up at the ECOFIN conference and engaged in what can only be described as a "temper tantrum" where he slammed Europe's economic policy makers for their intransigence in provided further bailouts to Greece and when queried by European Central Bank (ECB) Chief Jean-Claude Trichet as to if this was "Obama's position too" was told by Geithner, "He's (Obama) not in charge, I am." ECB Chief Trichet, according to other news reports, rebuked Geithner and stated that the financial position of the 17-member Eurozone is better than that of other major economies, especially the United States. This shocking revelation as to who is actually running the United States comes on the heals of further allegations that Geithner deliberately ignored Obama's orders to prepare a plan to "wind down" the mammoth international banking group Citigroup Inc. in order to help save the American economy, and as we can, in part, read as reported by the San Francisco Chronicle: "U.S. Treasury Secretary Timothy F. Geithner ignored an order in 2009 from President Barack Obama to prepare a plan to "wind down" Citigroup Inc., once the biggest bank in the world, according to a book to be released next week. Geithner didn't proceed with Obama's order to develop a plan to dissolve New York-based Citigroup in March 2009, several months after the bank had received a $45 billion taxpayer bailout, according to "Confidence Men: Wall Street, Washington and the Education of a President" by Ron Suskind, a former Wall Street Journal reporter." Even more stunning, this report continues, are revelations being brought to light by the New York Times Magazine that Geithner, along with the director of the White House National Economic Council Larry Summers, formed an "unholy troika" with the banking behemoth Goldman Sachs to literally steal the entire US economic system away from Obama and the American people for the sole purpose of looting it for the benefit of a few elite bankers, politicians and other such parasites. The power vacuum created in the White House allowing these banksters to take over was exacerbated by Summers who upon joining the Obama team declared "there's no adult in charge" thus allowing him and Geithner to be "insubordinate" to Obama and hijack the American economy for themselves and their cronies. agt2 ObamaScare Tim Geithner Says Hes In Charge To the damage wrought upon the American economy by Geithner and his "allies" is called nothing short of "catastrophic" as tens of millions have been thrown out of their homes, tens of millions more are jobless, and the poverty level has reached heights not seen since the days of Great Depression during the 1930's. To any relief being seen coming for the American people before their nation is totally destroyed by these monsters it appears unlikely as the veil of oppression keeping them check shows no signs of loosening. Even worse, new and shocking reports coming from the United States are warning that under what is called their new "Obamacare" laws, patients in US hospitals are being declared "incompetent" in mass numbers thus allowing these same hospitals to claim "guardianship" over these people and then sell of all of their assets thus reducing them to poverty. Sadly to note are that laws such as these allowing a government to begin mass confiscation of their citizens private wealth, like those enacted by the former German Nazi Empire and Soviet Russian regimes, always presaged mass civil unrest, revolution and outright war. In fact, just this past week, New York City Mayor Michael Bloomberg warned Washington that if things aren't changed, and soon, riots could very well begin breaking out. And as quoted by the New York Daily News, Bloomberg said, "We have a lot of kids graduating college, can't find jobs. That's what happened in Cairo. That's what happened in Madrid. You don't want those kinds of riots here." Bloomberg's predictive warning of unrest appears to be spot on as, even while these words are being written, US police forces have "locked down" the financial capitol of America on Wall Street after thousands of protesters descended upon it in a "Day of Rage" demonstration invoking Mideast rallies and calling for an end to corporate greed that favors the rich over the poor. To how soon these types of protests riots, if not outright revolution, will spread across America it is not in our knowing, other than to note that never in the history of the world have people that have been so destroyed by their "leaders" not fought back." So what is He(Obama)?...Does it matter???????????? GfS |
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19 Feb 14 - 04:00 PM (#3602943) Subject: RE: BS: Is Obama a Fascist? From: Don Firth I think this thread has passed it's "sell by" date It's beginning to smell a bit. . . . Don Firth |
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19 Feb 14 - 04:01 PM (#3602944) Subject: RE: BS: Is Obama a Fascist? From: Ebbie A good deal of what you say there, GfS, (19 February, 4:19 am) no doubt is true, and sometimes for the reasons you state. My take on it is a lot simpler: I can easily believe - and accept - that Machiavellian means are planned and implemented, and that the populace is frequently kept in the dark about them. That is not surprising. Government is a messy business. However, I firmly believe that there are more people who wish to do good - and want to go down in history with that reputation - than there are people who are single-mindedly bent on risking the destruction of not only their own little piece of the world but the entire shebang. I contend that few people in a government, probably any government, believe that their leaders are willing to plot long term goals that are just plain evil, but I have little doubt that the people who attend the Bilderberg groups, say, come away having become convinced of the global need for financial manipulation and even the need for 'handling' problems of rogue nations. That outcome makes sense to me. I believe that few people are willing to put their own lives and their family's lives at risk, not to mention, this world's future at risk, in the name of profit and power. In other contexts I have read the implication that literal generations have plotted for such payback. I think that the same people who believe that there are hosts of shadowy figures guiding the world's progress are the people who prefer to believe, and spout, conspiracies ranging from assassinations to complicit terrorism and back again. It is easy to sit back and point to various situations as proof that they demonstrate such manipulation while ignoring the many issues and events that just don't fit the scenario . A couple of observations: I don't remember EVER hearing President Nixon described as a statesman, true or not. The label was tentatively proffered AFTER his presidency during his rehabilitave years. "Positions change after election"? Of course. As President Kennedy said after election, his biggest surprise was discovering how little real power presidents have. I believe that candidates and nominees have all kinds of plans, ideas and perceptions only to discover after election that they didn't have enough information previously, including the discovery that there are competing priorities, that needs, and therefore, efforts have to be balanced, have to be initiated and presented at oppertune times. Incidentally, "medias" and "pre-planned" ? |
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19 Feb 14 - 04:14 PM (#3602951) Subject: RE: BS: Is Obama a Fascist? From: Don Firth You have a good grasp of the nature of government, Ebbie. 'Twas ever thus. Don Firth |
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19 Feb 14 - 04:46 PM (#3602954) Subject: RE: BS: Is Obama a Fascist? From: Jack the Sailor "I don't remember EVER hearing President Nixon described as a statesman, true or not. " I kind of do, but only in conjunction with Kissinger. The media in Canada loved the outreach to China. |
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19 Feb 14 - 05:26 PM (#3602965) Subject: RE: BS: Is Obama a Fascist? From: Big Al Whittle but the proposition isn't does the office of president have fascist overtones? the proposition is :- is Obama a fascist? which in the context of him being the first black president strikes me as abuse? |
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19 Feb 14 - 06:43 PM (#3602988) Subject: RE: BS: Is Obama a Fascist? From: Ebbie BTW, 'oppErtune' bothers me. I know better. |
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19 Feb 14 - 08:05 PM (#3603020) Subject: RE: BS: Is Obama a Fascist? From: Songwronger Obama's not black, he's mixed race. His father was either Barack Obama Sr or Frank Davis, both of whom were black. His mother was Caucasian. But you have to judge Obama on his actions, not the color of his skin. And he's doing business with fascists. He's carrying out a watered down version of the opposition party's genocidal austerity agenda, but still, a little bit of genocide is genocide nevertheless. Obama commits fascist genocide, hence, he is a fascist. |
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19 Feb 14 - 09:02 PM (#3603034) Subject: RE: BS: Is Obama a Fascist? From: Ebbie Hmmmm I obiously missed something - what group, tribe, race, nationality has President Obama erased? For that matter, what group, tribe, race or nationality has the GOP erased? |
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19 Feb 14 - 09:32 PM (#3603040) Subject: RE: BS: Is Obama a Fascist? From: Big Al Whittle but would you want him to move in next door.....? |
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19 Feb 14 - 10:06 PM (#3603042) Subject: RE: BS: Is Obama a Fascist? From: Songwronger Obama's cutting of the Supplemental Nutrition program for children and reduction of food stamps will lead to the deaths of Americans. His ethanol initiatives early in his first term have resulted in the deaths of no telling how many millions worldwide, people who depended on America's grain surplus for sustenance. His Obamacare is now shutting down American hospitals, depriving sick people of life-saving health care. He aided British Petroleum in poisoning the Gulf of Mexico--he capped their losses at 20 billion, so they really had no need to clean up after themselves. The Gulf is now polluted beyond reclaiming, its people sick and dying. He is pouring money into gun running to Mexico, drone bombing babies in the Middle East, and so on. Pick your genocide. |
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19 Feb 14 - 10:15 PM (#3603044) Subject: RE: BS: Is Obama a Fascist? From: Songwronger And his birth control initiatives are genocide. Technically, enforcing birth control on a people is genocide. And Obamacare forces birth control on us: The international legal definition of the crime of genocide is found in Articles II and III of the 1948 Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of Genocide.... Article II: In the present Convention, genocide means any of the following acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group, as such: (a) Killing members of the group; (b) Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group; (c) Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part; (d) Imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group; (e) Forcibly transferring children of the group to another group. Article III: The following acts shall be punishable: (a) Genocide; (b) Conspiracy to commit genocide; (c) Direct and public incitement to commit genocide; (d) Attempt to commit genocide; (e) Complicity in genocide. http://www.preventgenocide.org/genocide/officialtext-printerfriendly.htm So, if you support Obamacare (with it's abortions and birth control), then you are a genocidalist, just like Obama. Article III says the acts are punishable, too, so all of you who have supported Obamacare are now complicit in genocide. You will be punished, according to international law. |
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19 Feb 14 - 11:15 PM (#3603051) Subject: RE: BS: Is Obama a Fascist? From: Donuel What harm is there in a straw man thread creator weaving straw man threads. Perhaps a new, straw silly or even bizarre POV changes could help someone better organize their thoughts and opinions. naaaaaw Songwronger, try a fresh approach, not just fresh straw. Sheep may eat hay when grass goes away but I pray it will return by spring. |
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20 Feb 14 - 12:49 AM (#3603058) Subject: RE: BS: Is Obama a Fascist? From: Big Al Whittle he forces birth control on you....... pity he didn't force it on your Mum |
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20 Feb 14 - 01:59 AM (#3603060) Subject: RE: BS: Is Obama a Fascist? From: Ebbie "Obamacare forces birth control on us:"? My god. Here I thought it was my age. |
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20 Feb 14 - 09:05 AM (#3603168) Subject: RE: BS: Is Obama a Fascist? From: Jack the Sailor "what group, tribe, race or nationality has the GOP erased? " Moderate Republicans. :-D Crist in Florida was the last one. |
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20 Feb 14 - 02:15 PM (#3603297) Subject: RE: BS: Is Obama a Fascist? From: Don Firth Once again, if President Obama could heal the sick, Songwronger would squawk that he's trying to destroy the medical profession. If President Obama could raise the dead, Songwronger would accuse him of putting morticians out of business. And if President Obama could walk on water, Songwronger would complain that he is polluting the world's oceans with his dirty shoes. Don Firth |
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20 Feb 14 - 10:35 PM (#3603413) Subject: RE: BS: Is Obama a Fascist? From: Songwronger I give the definition of genocide, plus a concrete example of it, and you people call me names. And Firth pictures Obama walking on water and healing the sick. He's transferred his religious ideation to Obama. Obama's a fucking genocidal monster, and Firth views him as Christ-like. Amazing. You Obama defenders are victims of severe brainwashing. You have gone beyond the point of being unable to see the obvious; you are now ascribing supernatural attributes to a huckster politician. Snap out of it. |
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20 Feb 14 - 10:50 PM (#3603417) Subject: RE: BS: Is Obama a Fascist? From: Sawzaw "We just have to be repetitive about this. It's not enough to have a catchy ad on a Monday and then only do it every Monday. We have to do this every day of the week and just really brainwash people into thinking about guns in a vastly different way." |
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21 Feb 14 - 03:43 PM (#3603605) Subject: RE: BS: Is Obama a Fascist? From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Firth: "Once again, if President Obama could heal the sick, Songwronger would squawk that he's trying to destroy the medical profession. If President Obama could raise the dead, Songwronger would accuse him of putting morticians out of business. And if President Obama could walk on water, Songwronger would complain that he is polluting the world's oceans with his dirty shoes." ...after all, he IS the 'Commander in Chief'!...isn't he?... and he IS concerned about 'healthcare', isn't he?? Well, at least you left out changing water into wine...he doesn't need to! What's in your wallet?? GfS P.S. Ebbie: "Incidentally, "medias" and "pre-planned" ?" "medias",,,as in printed, T.V., internet, radio....but maybe I should have used 'forms of media'...."pre-planned"... ummm... 'premeditated'? (I didn't want to insult those who 'meditate') |
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21 Feb 14 - 04:18 PM (#3603611) Subject: RE: BS: Is Obama a Fascist? From: Sawzaw "Once again, if President Obama could heal the sick" A logical Fallacy. You have no idea what Songwronger would say or squawk if President Obama could heal the sick. Unless you are making a prediction about something that will not likely happen. A very safe and self serving smug prediction that is proof of nothing except your use of rhetoric to replace facts. |
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21 Feb 14 - 04:29 PM (#3603615) Subject: RE: BS: Is Obama a Fascist? From: Don Firth Get real, Sawzaw! You know exactly what I mean and you make yourself look foolish with your obvious deliberate misinterpretation. No matter what President Obama tries to do, Songwronger--and apparently YOU--(and of course the resident boot-licker, GfS) would manage to twist it into some kind of evil. Can you say, "racist bigot?" Don Firth |
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21 Feb 14 - 04:48 PM (#3603620) Subject: RE: BS: Is Obama a Fascist? From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity What?????!!!!!!!!!??? Who's lickin' boots here, Bucko?? What I posted was not anymore acceptable when the Reagan administration did it, or Johnson, or Nixon, Carter, or Ford or Clinton...or Bush!! It's called CORRUPTION, as if you could distinguish that from 'politics as usual'! You really should stop being such a hardcore Democrat operative, hiding under the guise of an 'independent'...maybe that way you could resort to posting some verifiable facts, instead of your incessant denigrating those who do! It's getting old...and isn't working. If anything, it's making you look like more of a lunatic than you'd really like to be portrayed as!...or deluded that you're not! GfS |
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21 Feb 14 - 05:35 PM (#3603633) Subject: RE: BS: Is Obama a Fascist? From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Firth: "Can you say, "racist bigot?" Can you not? I guess you're back to that bullshit again. You really need to get a new 'playbook' of Democrat Party talking points and tactics...nobody is paying attention to THAT one anymore. Perhaps you should invest in a Hula-Hoop. Maybe it will come back in fashion! GfS |
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21 Feb 14 - 09:48 PM (#3603685) Subject: RE: BS: Is Obama a Fascist? From: Don Firth Well, Goofus, then why do you have Shinola all over your tongue? That IS Shinola, isn't it? Don Firth |
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22 Feb 14 - 12:37 AM (#3603698) Subject: RE: BS: Is Obama a Fascist? From: Amos Except that he has not enforced birth control on anyone--he has simply pushed for legislation that ensures it is included in insurance. That's a whole world of difference, isn't it? Trying to twist that into enforced birth control is very similar, IMHO, to accusing Mother Teresa of "enforcing" tolerance of criminal conduct. It requires a really dedicated twisting of facts to make your point. The kind of ferocious alteration that only someone like Songwronger could come up with. |
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22 Feb 14 - 01:53 AM (#3603705) Subject: RE: BS: Is Obama a Fascist? From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Hey Ebbie, Talk to Don....perhaps some of your intelligence will rub off onto him. YOU, at least, are keeping your political views tempered with focus on the topic., and not so banal. Whether we agree or not, your perspective has more to consider in substance, than his....ummm... behavior(?). I'm Rooting for ya'! (See, I haven't forgotten) GfS |
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22 Feb 14 - 03:43 AM (#3603716) Subject: RE: BS: Is Obama a Fascist? From: Ebbie Oh, I'm SO flattered. (Keep in mind that the main reason I don't natter at you as much as some do, is that I know it would change nuffin.) |
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22 Feb 14 - 10:57 AM (#3603777) Subject: RE: BS: Is Obama a Fascist? From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Well, some things don't change...like the truth....it always wins out, in the end. 'Some' people sure spin themselves 'dizzy' tryin' to spin it though. But in the end, they are just talkin' out their end. Maybe they should just end it.....open their mind for another point of view that doesn't require so much spinning, and accusing people of hating and denigrating anyone who doesn't agree with their dizziness. Maybe they should just 'end it'! GfS |
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22 Feb 14 - 12:39 PM (#3603811) Subject: RE: BS: Is Obama a Fascist? From: Ebbie I agree. |
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22 Feb 14 - 08:22 PM (#3603929) Subject: RE: BS: Is Obama a Fascist? From: GUEST,Troubadour "When time plays out its course, truth is going to win out EVERY time." That'll scupper you then, won't it Goofus! |
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22 Feb 14 - 08:31 PM (#3603932) Subject: RE: BS: Is Obama a Fascist? From: GUEST,Troubadour "Obama's cutting of the Supplemental Nutrition program for children and reduction of food stamps will lead to the deaths of Americans. His ethanol initiatives early in his first term have resulted in the deaths of no telling how many millions worldwide, people who depended on America's grain surplus for sustenance. His Obamacare is now shutting down American hospitals, depriving sick people of life-saving health care. He aided British Petroleum in poisoning the Gulf of Mexico--he capped their losses at 20 billion, so they really had no need to clean up after themselves. The Gulf is now polluted beyond reclaiming, its people sick and dying. He is pouring money into gun running to Mexico, drone bombing babies in the Middle East, and so on. Pick your genocide." You are arguably the most deluded paranoid schizophrenic who ever posted on this or any other forum. Really! Seek help before the voices tell you to kill yourself or somebody else. |
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22 Feb 14 - 08:38 PM (#3603934) Subject: RE: BS: Is Obama a Fascist? From: GUEST,Troubadour "Well, some things don't change...like the truth....it always wins out, in the end. 'Some' people sure spin themselves 'dizzy' tryin' to spin it though. But in the end, they are just talkin' out their end." How true! Have you checked your arse recently, for teeth and a tongue? |
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22 Feb 14 - 09:14 PM (#3603943) Subject: RE: BS: Is Obama a Fascist? From: Ebbie :) |
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22 Feb 14 - 10:22 PM (#3603963) Subject: RE: BS: Is Obama a Fascist? From: Don Firth . . . snicker snicker. . . . |
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23 Feb 14 - 12:35 AM (#3603976) Subject: RE: BS: Is Obama a Fascist? From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Such compelling arguments! Pretty 'depthy' for the cheery Mudcat dysfunctional 'activists'...and guess what??...on this thread, I never called Obama a Fascist! So what is it that makes you such devotees??...His honesty??..His effectiveness?....Obamacare for the insurance companies?..His crony payoff, to his 'supporting corporations'?..His Color?..He's supposedly a Democrat??...His golf scores?..His haircut??...His shovel ready jobs??...His speeches??...What is it??..His NDAA?....How he chased the Russians out of Syria, and Syria was so intimidated, they threw away all their chemical weapons??...How he had a guy thrown in jail,blaming his video for Benghazi???....ummm, is it how you like to spend trillions of borrowed money??....and I could go on....but maybe you guys can come up with something...Convince me. The only things you held up, for which I suppose you are proud of, for some banal reason, is your childish whining and accusatory name calling! ...and 'Handy Jack' gives it all a pass....and SRS must be impressed at all your 'insights'.......and with all that said, none of you appear capable of an adult conversation with facts to support your 'point of view'. Interesting! GfS |
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23 Feb 14 - 01:09 AM (#3603977) Subject: RE: BS: Is Obama a Fascist? From: Don Firth Yep. He's losing it. . . . But then he wasn't very tightly wrapped to begin with. . . . |
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23 Feb 14 - 09:09 AM (#3604033) Subject: RE: BS: Is Obama a Fascist? From: GUEST Yup. Anonymous guests ain't the problem Folks with handles... Multiple handles... is what mucks this place up |
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23 Feb 14 - 10:37 AM (#3604051) Subject: RE: BS: Is Obama a Fascist? From: Sawzaw If all else fails, just call anyone that does not agree with you a "racist bigot" That is what fascists do. Why bother with facts? |
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23 Feb 14 - 12:00 PM (#3604079) Subject: RE: BS: Is Obama a Fascist? From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Hey Don ?..Do you have a fact to post?...or just more of your baseless, desperate blathering? Come on, you can do better than to demonstrate your small minded obsession with trying to get a 'following'(?). Name some accomplishments, not accompanied with spin....just something simple(beyond simple name calling and denigrating attempts to call attention away from the fact that you DON'T have diddly squat! Go ahead, give it your best shot! GfS |
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23 Feb 14 - 07:59 PM (#3604219) Subject: RE: BS: Is Obama a Fascist? From: Don Firth Sawzaw, you have your mule hitched up butt forward. Fascists, characteristically are the racist bigots. See Hitler's Germany in the 1930s and 1940s. So many really stupid things would NOT get said if people would just learn a little history. Don Fith |
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23 Feb 14 - 08:12 PM (#3604222) Subject: RE: BS: Is Obama a Fascist? From: Don Firth And Goofball, I have posted innumerable facts, But you don't do facts. You see only what you want to see. Which isn't much. And I don't have to "obsess" about getting a following. I have a following and have had for years. As to my accomplishments, would you like me to post my resumé? It runs several pages …. Don Firth |
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23 Feb 14 - 08:57 PM (#3604237) Subject: RE: BS: Is Obama a Fascist? From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Firth: "And Goofball, I have posted innumerable facts, But you don't do facts. You see only what you want to see. Which isn't much." ..and, now you're copying lines from the song...(how'd you like it?..fits ya' as snug as can be, huh?) ...as far as posting some facts related to, the thread topic, and on this thread...bring one back up..I seem to recall only name calling and pontifically spun opinions!.....and note even an 'original thought'! GfS |
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23 Feb 14 - 09:41 PM (#3604247) Subject: RE: BS: Is Obama a Fascist? From: Don Firth I didn't listen to the song. Just you, passing gas again. Don Firth |
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24 Feb 14 - 12:11 AM (#3604272) Subject: RE: BS: Is Obama a Fascist? From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Another example of Don staying on topic. Hey, do you want me to fart into some more bottles, again and send them to you?...Last time I did, you couldn't even wait till Christmas, like you were supposed to! Back to topic? GfS |
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24 Feb 14 - 12:20 PM (#3604415) Subject: RE: BS: Is Obama a Fascist? From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Firth: "I didn't listen to the song." Then how did you know it was a song?...and then proceed to quote the line form the fourth verse, second line....'Just sees what he wants to see'???? You are both slipping AND LOSING IT! Don Firth Date: 23 Feb 14 - 08:12 PM "And Goofball, I have posted innumerable facts, But you don't do facts. "You see only what you want to see."" Here, I'll refresh your memory.... 'Nowhere Man' He's a real Nowhere Man Sitting in his Nowhere Land Making all his nowhere plans for nobody Doesn't have a point of view Knows not where he's going to Isn't he a bit like you and me? Nowhere Man, please listen You don't know what you're missing Nowhere Man, the world is at your command He's as blind as he can be Just sees what he wants to see Nowhere Man, can you see me at all? Nowhere Man, don't worry Take your time, don't hurry Leave it all 'til somebody else lends you a hand Doesn't have a point of view Knows not where he's going to Isn't he a bit like you and me? Nowhere Man, please listen You don't know what you're missing Nowhere Man, the world is at your command He's a real Nowhere Man Sitting in his Nowhere Land Making all his nowhere plans for nobody Making all his nowhere plans for nobody Making all his nowhere plans for nobody LENNON, JOHN / MCCARTNEY, PAUL ....and now for your listening pleasure, Again...'Nowhere Man', The Beatles GfS |
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24 Feb 14 - 12:24 PM (#3604418) Subject: RE: BS: Is Obama a Fascist? From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity You're such a bullshitter, I can't believe it! To bad so many of the simple minded do! GfS |
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24 Feb 14 - 12:44 PM (#3604427) Subject: RE: BS: Is Obama a Fascist? From: Don Firth Gee, folks, I really got up his nose, didn't I? One sentence or a word or two and I can keep him spinning for hours. Don Firth (with better things to do than watch Goofball pee himself.) |
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24 Feb 14 - 01:10 PM (#3604435) Subject: RE: BS: Is Obama a Fascist? From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Firth: "Gee, folks, I really got up his nose, didn't I?" Just more of your stink...that you mentioned earlier! You're still squirming to get out of your lying bullshit! GfS We're done here. --mudelf |
