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14 Apr 13 - 03:04 PM (#3503327) Subject: Beatles:'No Pakistanis' Salon article From: Jack the Sailor I think any person, especially songwriters, interested in the history f the Beatles will find this interesting. Does anyone have the full lyric? I'm just going to link to the article Please be careful about not using keywords which may be in searches by racial activists in the UK. I'm just going to link to the song. |
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14 Apr 13 - 03:36 PM (#3503342) Subject: RE: Beatles:'No Pakistanis' Salon article From: michaelr Fascinating! I can understand why the Beatles chose not to go down that particular avenue. Thanks for the link, Jack. |
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14 Apr 13 - 05:40 PM (#3503398) Subject: RE: Beatles:'No Pakistanis' Salon article From: Mo the caller The article says..... This was the situation that the Beatles faced in 1969, when they first concocted the song that would become "Get Back." I don't think that can be right. I recognise that song, the person I shared a house with sang snatches of it - and I moved away in Spring 1968. |
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14 Apr 13 - 06:07 PM (#3503406) Subject: RE: Beatles:'No Pakistanis' Salon article From: alanabit Interesting article. If I may correct a minor detail: By 1968, Sir Matt Busby had not been an Arsenal player for about thirty years. He was the manager of Manchester United. It was obviously wise for the Beatles never to have released this version. It could have backfired horribly - as satire often does. It is also pretty crude both rhythmically and lyrically. There were good reasons why a lot of material was never released at the time. Although they recorded several versions of "Have You Heard The Word?" and "What's Yer New Mary Jane", they never made them sound right - probably because they were duff songs to start with! |
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14 Apr 13 - 07:32 PM (#3503453) Subject: RE: Beatles:'No Pakistanis' Salon article From: Jack the Sailor "It is also pretty crude both rhythmically and lyrically. " Yeah, true enough but the bones of "Get Back" are there. Seems like all they did was complete the arrangement and change the lyrics. |
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14 Apr 13 - 10:58 PM (#3503503) Subject: RE: Beatles:'No Pakistanis' Salon article From: number 6 I never cared much for the Beatles. but regardless I question this recording ... neither Paul or John ever exhibited any racial bigotry either in interviews, or in any of their songs. In fact at the time of this recording Lennon returned his MBE in protest "I am returning this MBE in protest against Britain's involvement in the Nigeria-Biafra thing, against our support of America in Vietnam, and against 'Cold Turkey' slipping down the charts.". This act of protest was certainly not the act a British redneck white supramacist would do. Was this recording some sort of parody on racial bigots in Britain at the time .... I certainly would not condemn Lennon and Mcartney as right wing bigots based on this. biLL |
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14 Apr 13 - 11:09 PM (#3503505) Subject: RE: Beatles:'No Pakistanis' Salon article From: Sandra in Sydney Years ago Eric Bogle wrote a satire which he soon stopped singing as too many people took it seriously: some are against it, not noticing the satire, & others even put on a website as a hymn to their ideals! It includes lines where the person objecting to migrants cos of the weird foods they eat has a non-British surname & is eating some of this weird food. |
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14 Apr 13 - 11:09 PM (#3503506) Subject: RE: Beatles:'No Pakistanis' Salon article From: number 6 I should also add John was known to mimic all kinds of people ... he also had a big mouth and spoke his mind freely. I'm sure if he had any racist attitudes it would of been known publicly ... on the contrary what he said was far from being a bigot. I'd say that article above is basically sensationalist BS trying to discredit the Beatles. biLL |
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14 Apr 13 - 11:18 PM (#3503508) Subject: RE: Beatles:'No Pakistanis' Salon article From: GUEST This is old news. Paul would oftimes compose melodies before working out the lyrics of a song and the early takes of Get Back had words that satirized the likes of Enoch Powell. So yes, this is BS. |
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15 Apr 13 - 12:53 AM (#3503529) Subject: RE: Beatles:'No Pakistanis' Salon article From: Jack the Sailor Relax six. The article makes it clear it was written as a satire. |
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15 Apr 13 - 04:46 AM (#3503580) Subject: RE: Beatles:'No Pakistanis' Salon article From: Johnny J I'm sure it was satire too but probably it was wise not to release this. At the time "Till death Us Do Part" was very popular on TV but, unfortunately, bigots everywhere took Alf Garnett seriously and agreed with him which wasn't Johnny Speight's original intention. |
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15 Apr 13 - 05:07 AM (#3503590) Subject: RE: Beatles:'No Pakistanis' Salon article From: GUEST,Blandiver Fascinating stuff. It reminds me of this... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9_Gn7TEEB-M ...and brings me to just how many UKIP (& worse) sympathisers I meet amongst Folkies these days who are somehow convinced that Folk is about preserving our nations traditional heritage from dilution from immigration. I heard one person described Liverpool Council's decision to ban black-faced morris dancing outside the Museum of Slavery as being 'racist' against 'our' culture. Go figure. |
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15 Apr 13 - 05:21 AM (#3503591) Subject: RE: Beatles:'No Pakistanis' Salon article From: GUEST The Beatles - No Pakistanis The Beatles - Commonwealth |
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15 Apr 13 - 09:02 AM (#3503648) Subject: RE: Beatles:'No Pakistanis' Salon article From: number 6 jts ... my mistake. I was up late working on a project that I'm not too enthused over and behind schedule. While taking a short break I flipped over to the Madcat; this thread caught my eye and I responded without thoroughly reading into it. I know ... no excuse ... but please accept my apologies .. and you can go ahead and punch me. biLL |
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15 Apr 13 - 09:53 AM (#3503675) Subject: RE: Beatles:'No Pakistanis' Salon article From: Bonzo3legs Usual dire lead guitar from George, but great drums from dependable Ringo. Played this to a friend from Pakistan who thought the words were very funny. He drives a very expensive Mercedes!!! |
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15 Apr 13 - 11:13 AM (#3503718) Subject: RE: Beatles:'No Pakistanis' Salon article From: GUEST,Ed Usual dire lead guitar from George You really haven't a clue, have you Bonzo? |
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15 Apr 13 - 11:15 AM (#3503719) Subject: RE: Beatles:'No Pakistanis' Salon article From: Bonzo3legs Is that so guest ed? Is that really so? |
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15 Apr 13 - 11:38 AM (#3503729) Subject: RE: Beatles:'No Pakistanis' Salon article From: GUEST,Ed Yes Bonzo, it is. If you bothered to take the time to listen to, and think about, George Harrison's contribution to The Beatles as a lead guitarist over their entirety of their recordings, you would not describe it as being the 'usual dire' input. You may, of course, have defective ears. |
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15 Apr 13 - 12:30 PM (#3503759) Subject: RE: Beatles:'No Pakistanis' Salon article From: Bonzo3legs This guest ed is a little touchy! |
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15 Apr 13 - 12:45 PM (#3503771) Subject: RE: Beatles:'No Pakistanis' Salon article From: GUEST,Ed a little touchy That's fair comment, Bonzo. Harrison, as a guitarist, is something of a hero to me. |
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15 Apr 13 - 05:02 PM (#3503946) Subject: RE: Beatles:'No Pakistanis' Salon article From: Jack the Sailor >>I know ... no excuse ... but please accept my apologies .. and you can go ahead and punch me.<< Yeah OK when I get around to it. |
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15 Apr 13 - 06:42 PM (#3503977) Subject: RE: Beatles:'No Pakistanis' Salon article From: Q (Frank Staplin) Remember Enoch Powell? |
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15 Apr 13 - 07:14 PM (#3503989) Subject: RE: Beatles:'No Pakistanis' Salon article From: GUEST,Ed |
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15 Apr 13 - 07:15 PM (#3503992) Subject: RE: Beatles:'No Pakistanis' Salon article From: GUEST,Ed Remember Enoch Powell? Erm, yes... Your point being? |
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16 Apr 13 - 07:26 AM (#3504149) Subject: RE: Beatles:'No Pakistanis' Salon article From: GUEST,Grishka Very interesting, and new to me. The article seems to suggest that "No Pakistanis" was an earlier version, and that the lyrics were later changed for fear of a public outcry. However, quick googling, which is not really difficult, shows that many self-declared Beatles expert insist that the version in question was a parody to mock Enoch Powell, improvised after the song as we know it had been released. This sounds more likely to me, and would render the Salon article a complete hoax. Who has reliable evidence? |
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16 Apr 13 - 08:21 AM (#3504166) Subject: RE: Beatles:'No Pakistanis' Salon article From: Keith A of Hertford Do the references to Sweet Loretta Martin invoke trans-gender issues? |