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26 Apr 13 - 09:00 PM (#3509416) Subject: BS: Time Machine; Pick a Year... From: Bobert Okay, here is "Rule Number 1"... One year per post... Me??? Right now I'll go with 1927... First Model A... Lotta very good building going on with cool materials... Plaster... Heart pine... Before "The Crash"... Lots of optimistic music... Flappers... The roaring 20s... B~ |
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26 Apr 13 - 09:19 PM (#3509424) Subject: RE: BS: Time Machine; Pick a Year... From: Jack the Sailor 2020 then Vegas when I get back |
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26 Apr 13 - 09:28 PM (#3509426) Subject: RE: BS: Time Machine; Pick a Year... From: Bobert Good answer, JtS... B;~) |
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26 Apr 13 - 09:42 PM (#3509429) Subject: RE: BS: Time Machine; Pick a Year... From: GUEST 0030 AD .... to see what Jesus was really all about |
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26 Apr 13 - 10:12 PM (#3509435) Subject: RE: BS: Time Machine; Pick a Year... From: Ebbie Interesting question! You mean we get to choose only one? Believe me, if I figure out how to do it ONCE I will keep on doing it. For my first time I would visit Ben Franklin. (Got others up my sleeve.) Keep in mind, by the way, that we must be disciplined and aware in this. No fair letting anyone back there know where we came from and we are not allowed to take matters into our own hands even when we today know the outcome of certain historical actions. That means we have to dress correctly for the period we want to visit and we are not allowed to take anything along that they don't have, no iPads or phones or even polyester. Also be a good idea to read as much history of the period as we can find. (And try to bring back a newspaper.) Going forward, of course, is very different. JtS, have a ball! |
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26 Apr 13 - 10:13 PM (#3509436) Subject: RE: BS: Time Machine; Pick a Year... From: GUEST,Bill D-testing a different browser Before I opened this, I bet that Jesus would be in one of the first posts. Me? Ummmm... 1960.. 2 years before my grandmother died. There are SO many things I wish could ask her about my family and where they went and what they did..... and besides, it was the year I got to vote for JFK. |
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26 Apr 13 - 10:26 PM (#3509444) Subject: RE: BS: Time Machine; Pick a Year... From: Rapparee May 1, 1950. I want to ask my father a lot of things and he died 41 days later. |
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26 Apr 13 - 10:27 PM (#3509445) Subject: RE: BS: Time Machine; Pick a Year... From: Rapparee If I go back and spank myself for filling the gas tank with water while playing "gas station man" with my brother.... |
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26 Apr 13 - 10:45 PM (#3509447) Subject: RE: BS: Time Machine; Pick a Year... From: Ebbie uh uh, Rap- you want to survive, don't you? |
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26 Apr 13 - 10:49 PM (#3509450) Subject: RE: BS: Time Machine; Pick a Year... From: GUEST,leeneia Something like 65,000,000 B.C. so I could see the dinosaurs alive and moving around. But, first, can I take a telescope with me? |
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26 Apr 13 - 11:00 PM (#3509458) Subject: RE: BS: Time Machine; Pick a Year... From: gnu 1982... I lost "her". Not a day goes by since that I don't think of her. And I've had relatively few, too far between, restful nights for all these years. Romeo and Juliette thing... family shit. I was so stupid. I expected her to fight for me when I sould have realized she could not. I should have fought for her alone, hoping she would join in the fray. Instead, I walked away, hoping she would ask me not to do so... giving me a hope... a chance....to believe in the love she professed for me. That minor incident (lesser than an iota) in the history of humankind has helped me write many stories, musings and poems but I would rather not have written any of them. I am still, and always will be, in love with 1982. Funny thing, the distance (wisdom*) of the lonely. Funny thing, the charm of the young. White Innocence, Jethro Tull * I wish I knew then.... don't we all? Tis better to have loved and fucked up than... |
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26 Apr 13 - 11:10 PM (#3509461) Subject: RE: BS: Time Machine; Pick a Year... From: Sandra in Sydney 1971 to talk to my great aunt who was the family historian - the only thing I ever wrote down is useless, it's about the ownership of 2 shawls - 142 years before when?, which grandmother Wilkinson, hers or mine? I'm sure she must have told me a lot more about our ancestors ... |
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26 Apr 13 - 11:32 PM (#3509466) Subject: RE: BS: Time Machine; Pick a Year... From: John P 440 BC, Socrates. |
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27 Apr 13 - 02:01 AM (#3509481) Subject: RE: BS: Time Machine; Pick a Year... From: Little Hawk It's a very tough question when it's narrowed down to just a single year, but I guess I'd have to go for the year Jesus started off his 3-year mission in Palestine too, so as to see what really happened with all that. (This assumes that I would be culturally adapted and able to fit in and understand the language of that time, etc.) It's just a lot more important than all the little personal stuff that's going on in my present lifetime, so that's why. I'd like to know the facts firsthand, rather than a bunch of hearsay and opinion from a variety of individuals who all had various (often differing) political agendas in their minds when they wrote down what's in the New Testament. Early Christianity held a great many different viewpoints about Jesus and was split into many different factions...some of whom eventually won domination over the emerging Christendom...while others were suppressed, wiped out, called "heretics", and most of their ideas were lost to posterity...because most of the books they wrote were deliberately destroyed. If a different set of early Christian ideas had won out in that power struggle (and they might have), there'd still be a Christian religion, but it would differ in a number of key points of its doctrine and philosophy...and that could have had a profound effect on the development of our whole culture. |
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27 Apr 13 - 03:52 AM (#3509490) Subject: RE: BS: Time Machine; Pick a Year... From: Amos Imagine if John P, for example, actually went to Athens and looked up old Socs, and maybe asked him a few questions. As a result, Socs is running late and misses an appointment with his barber. As a result he does not say tot he barber the sarcastic things which, in this time-line, incensed the barber's soul and set him to reviling Socrates to everyone he met, ruining his reputation and forcing his trial. By not offending the barber, Soc's reputation is spared and he eventually, instead of being tried for corrupting the young, is elected Governor of Athens, which he rules with such wisdom that the entirety of Greece prospers and flourishes, resulting in a stronger nation. The Socratic system of law inspires nations who learn of it, the Greeks build an empire of enlightenment, the Roman version never really gets much of a start. AS a result Egyptian civilization continues uninvaded, the Irish prosper under their own rule using the Socratic model of government, America is settled by the Irish in 940 , and the white tribes who expand to North America learn peaceful coexistence with the indigenous Indians and preserve the buffalo, learn to manage their fisheries sensibly, and a fourth great simultaneous civilization grows up to share the planet contemporaneously with the Egyptian, Greek and Irish civilizations. Ya never know what one little conversation will do, if it is the right conversation. What a damn shame John P does not speak Greek! |
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27 Apr 13 - 08:58 AM (#3509563) Subject: RE: BS: Time Machine; Pick a Year... From: Bonzo3legs 1958 so I can see Buddy Holly at the Kilburn State. Would a digital recorder go back in time I wonder? |
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27 Apr 13 - 09:20 AM (#3509569) Subject: RE: BS: Time Machine; Pick a Year... From: GUEST,JtS testing time machine Just got back from the 2017 inauguration ball I saw the first "First Gentleman of the United States". Marcus Bachmann looked stunning in a full length black Vera Wang strapless gown. https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcR9aSlf7Ezdoxos6J5nuB-9_68Clm9HCdGUqb1rWIKzIUR7xuBo |
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27 Apr 13 - 09:24 AM (#3509571) Subject: RE: BS: Time Machine; Pick a Year... From: John P Amos, many science fiction books have been written on less of a concept. Have a go at it! I'll toss out a bunch of ideas anywhere you get stuck. However, in the real world of actual time travel, I'm a no-paradox-possible, can't-change-what-already-happened sort of guy. We can, of course, posit the creation of an alternate time stream, but since we have no evidence that any such exist, and since, if they do exist, there would have to be a nearly infinite number of them (possibly a new one for every decision everyone ever made?), we can ignore them as either too little or too much to pay attention to. Also, even if we could identify and observe an alternate time stream, how would we enter it? Go back to where the two split off and take the other road? Ah, but them the one we were aiming for is gone, at least from our point of view, since the act of entering the alternate time stream would send us into yet a third version . . . |
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27 Apr 13 - 09:34 AM (#3509577) Subject: RE: BS: Time Machine; Pick a Year... From: GUEST,JtS - After lunch with Einstein and Schrodin "real world of actual time travel." I have it on good authority that in the real world the only possible actual time travel is from the past to the future at a defined rate of 60 seconds per minute. Everything else is either observer dependent or a simple thought experiment about as descriptive as a hypothetical cat in an imaginary box. |
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27 Apr 13 - 09:45 AM (#3509582) Subject: RE: BS: Time Machine; Pick a Year... From: Pete Jennings Auvers, France, July 1890. I'd give Vincent a couple of francs for Wheatfield with Crows... |
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27 Apr 13 - 10:28 AM (#3509599) Subject: RE: BS: Time Machine; Pick a Year... From: Elmore 2014. Hope I see it. |
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27 Apr 13 - 10:39 AM (#3509602) Subject: RE: BS: Time Machine; Pick a Year... From: GUEST,CS I often think that I was born a couple of decades too late. I think I may have liked post-war Britain prior to the influence of Thatcher, the seeming innocent exploration of creativity and individuality of the Sixties, plus all the good things that are no longer around like social housing, plentiful jobs and free education. |
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27 Apr 13 - 11:14 AM (#3509620) Subject: RE: BS: Time Machine; Pick a Year... From: Little Hawk Yeah. Well, to quote Bob Dylan "it seemed like a good idea till greed got in the way". |
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27 Apr 13 - 11:19 AM (#3509622) Subject: RE: BS: Time Machine; Pick a Year... From: GUEST,Blandiver 4005 BCE - just to show Creationists we already up and running... |
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27 Apr 13 - 11:23 AM (#3509623) Subject: RE: BS: Time Machine; Pick a Year... From: GUEST,JtS Go on a Cruise with Noah. Snap some pics of drowning unicorns and Dinos? |
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27 Apr 13 - 11:25 AM (#3509624) Subject: RE: BS: Time Machine; Pick a Year... From: catspaw49 32 AD.......I have it through many religious sources that i can see jesus riding through the gates of the city on a small dinosaur...........Cool huh? Spaw |
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27 Apr 13 - 11:26 AM (#3509625) Subject: RE: BS: Time Machine; Pick a Year... From: catspaw49 LOL....Three cross posted with similar thoughts........... Spaw |
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27 Apr 13 - 11:41 AM (#3509626) Subject: RE: BS: Time Machine; Pick a Year... From: GUEST,gillymor 1889, After smothering young Adolf in his crib I'd pop on over to Yellowstone with a fly rod and some bear spray. |
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27 Apr 13 - 11:48 AM (#3509628) Subject: RE: BS: Time Machine; Pick a Year... From: Little Hawk Be glad you have the religious fundamentalists around to chuckle and snort at. It keeps you amused and allows you to avoid talking about anything substantial in terms of any real spiritual issues or any real philosophical questions about our lives that might have arisen in the course of human civilization. Christian fundamentalists who believe the world is only about 6,000 years old are as convenient for you conventional modern "rationalists" as you are for them. You both deal in the most rigid, extreme stereotypes of your supposed "opposite" that keep you assured you are among those in the know, those who are certain what is "the truth and the only truth", those who are not mired in gross ignorance and blind superstition. You both cleave to a learned set of common conventions that you got from others who came befor you, and you trust it without question, because to you it's "normal". You can identify the heretics or the lost or the damned in our midst in the blink of an eye. They are simply those who don't believe whatever you believe. It's a heady feeling having that kind of entitlement. |
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27 Apr 13 - 11:56 AM (#3509632) Subject: RE: BS: Time Machine; Pick a Year... From: Jack the Sailor I would go to 27 Apr 13 - 11:46 AM and ask Little Hawk to take the pole out of his butt before he posts. :-) |
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27 Apr 13 - 11:57 AM (#3509633) Subject: RE: BS: Time Machine; Pick a Year... From: Little Hawk (shrug) I don't care. |
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27 Apr 13 - 12:04 PM (#3509635) Subject: RE: BS: Time Machine; Pick a Year... From: GUEST,Blandiver It's a heady feeling having that kind of entitlement. The word you're looking for, LH is enlightenment which comes from gnosis rather than faith. Gnosis is hard won learning engendering common truth forward thinking; Belief, OTOH, is just a load of made up shite propagating lies, ignorance & superstition. |
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27 Apr 13 - 02:50 PM (#3509689) Subject: RE: BS: Time Machine; Pick a Year... From: Max Johnson I'd like to go back to meet my grandfather, who joined the Merchant Navy in 1916 at the age of 15, received his Master's Certificate by the age of 25 and was a Captain with P&O and Holts during the 20s and 30s. He was torpedoed three times in WW1 and twice in WW2. He died travelling as a civilian passenger on the RMS Nova Scotia when she was torpedoed off Durban in December 1941. |
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27 Apr 13 - 03:54 PM (#3509705) Subject: RE: BS: Time Machine; Pick a Year... From: Ebbie OK, if I have to pick a year to meet and get to know Mr. Franklin, I'll choose 1775, shortly before he left for France. |
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27 Apr 13 - 03:57 PM (#3509706) Subject: RE: BS: Time Machine; Pick a Year... From: Amos LH: Within the framework of the time-space continuum, rationalists have developed a discipline of evidentiary logic which --by reason of its continued workability in application and prediction--has gained a track record as being well-aligned with reality and therefore "true". No matter how indignant this makes you, it is unavoidable in the universes of applicability. This is why your plumbing works and your bus shows up on time, and is also why your guitar sounds as nice as it does: hard-earned empirical heuristics at work. To accept a body of principles that does not align with evidentiary logic is perfectly acceptable for other universes--the imaginary, for one, and the spiritual where it goes beyond the time-space continuum, for another. But get off your high horse about rationalism. Your this-lifetime survival owes it a great deal of thanks. |
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27 Apr 13 - 05:11 PM (#3509727) Subject: RE: BS: Time Machine; Pick a Year... From: GUEST,Blandiver 1969 - when the 27th of April was a Sunday and you could see these guys in their youthful prime: https://fbcdn-sphotos-g-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/540699_10151417395442308_679156530_n.jpg |
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27 Apr 13 - 05:15 PM (#3509730) Subject: RE: BS: Time Machine; Pick a Year... From: Bill D " To accept a body of principles that does not align with evidentiary logic..." Gee, Amos... may I quote you to you at relevant times? ;>) |
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27 Apr 13 - 05:54 PM (#3509742) Subject: RE: BS: Time Machine; Pick a Year... From: Jack the Sailor Before they recorded most of their good stuff Blandiver. BTW why are you guest? New cookie broke already? |
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27 Apr 13 - 06:44 PM (#3509748) Subject: RE: BS: Time Machine; Pick a Year... From: GUEST,Blandiver They had a lot of the classics in the bag by '69 - all the Syd Barrett era stuff & Saucerful of Secrets and lots of still unofficial classics to unfurl throughout the year like The Zabriskie Point Sessions and The Man & The Journey (AKA The Massed Gadgets of Auximenes – More Furious Madness from Pink Floyd) performed in April 69, and Moonhead in the July live on BBC. The More sountrack & Ummagumma would follow on in fine style. All in all, a vintage year for the old Pink Floyd I'd say - as this footage demonstrates: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6uxcSGQ5Bv0 |
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27 Apr 13 - 07:01 PM (#3509753) Subject: RE: BS: Time Machine; Pick a Year... From: Jack the Sailor I started following them at "Dark Side of the Moon." If I was going to go back to see a show hmmmm Woodstock? Robert Johnson? Mozart? Woodie Guthrie? Stan Rogers at Kerrvile the night before he died? So many choices! |
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27 Apr 13 - 07:40 PM (#3509757) Subject: RE: BS: Time Machine; Pick a Year... From: Bobert When I started this thread I knew there would be a few folks who would like to have gone back to Jesus's times... I never thought that so many people just wanted a 2nd crack at their own lives... Very interesting... B~ |
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27 Apr 13 - 08:29 PM (#3509772) Subject: RE: BS: Time Machine; Pick a Year... From: JohnInKansas As an engineer (back when I worked at it), I have found that "imagining" a conversation with a particular one of a number of those who contributed to science or technology has been sometimes quite helpful in "finding answers," sometimes by examining what they didn't know to decide what newer things could be applied, and sometimes by "remembering" things not often more recently used very much. There are a number of such persons with whom a visit would be very interesting. Forced to make a choice, however, I suspect that my best election would be to go to a time in the mid 1940s to take in a lecture or two by Karen Horney. An intractable problem with which I've never made a lot of progress is one shared by one or two others here (according to their comments) and can be summarized as "understanding women." While I haven't done the necessary studies to fully understand her concepts in great detail, I did have an occasion to apply ideas from one of her books while attempting to help a very dear (female of course) friend with a difficult "life crisis" and found that her observations alowed me to predict with incredible accuracy what the person would do within an immediate three to five weeks, in advance of observing the accuracy of what was expected. I have wished since then that I understood how that worked, but remain convinced that "This is someone who could really teach me something." (Of course I may overestimate the value that knowing "how women work," but it would be quite rewarding to try with the possibility of more success than I've thus far achieved. It sure ain't worked too well with the other resources I've tried to apply.) John |
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28 Apr 13 - 03:57 AM (#3509837) Subject: RE: BS: Time Machine; Pick a Year... From: GUEST,Musket sans reality check I too would go for the Jesus years. Just to see if I could come up with a snappier idea and ensure some of the legend, especially the name, became attributed to me. Not hard. Just get some mates going around saying I can do real magic and have the occasional pop at the elders who were doing well out of Roman rule. Then as I got nailed, smile smugly that the dozy sods would be massaging my ego till people started to rumble the idea a couple of thousand years hence. Good whilst it lasted eh? Ok. As Jack can come back, so can I. Just to see his face as he believes in me. .. |
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28 Apr 13 - 04:22 AM (#3509839) Subject: RE: BS: Time Machine; Pick a Year... From: GUEST,Blandiver I started following them at "Dark Side of the Moon." Ah, that's when I stopped following them - even though I would have been only 11 at the time! Even so, I was singularly unimpressed by the more commercial / less experimental areas - and that was actually concomitant with me getting into Folk. That said, I loved Wish You Were Here and Animals, though in an era of the post-punk realities of The Fall, Joy Division, Young Marble Giants et al, The Wall proved too much of an obstacle. I recently acquired the double disk 'Experience Edition' of The (sic) Dark Side of the Moon featuring a live performance of the piece from Wembley in 1974 that puts a different spin on things - utterly lovely in every way. But in my heart of hearts, if I did have a time machine, it would be to go back to 1967 & the UFO club to soak in the original Floyd in all their psychedelic glory: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sUHMltEOLds |
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28 Apr 13 - 04:25 AM (#3509840) Subject: RE: BS: Time Machine; Pick a Year... From: GUEST,Eliza Trouble with 'going back' is you'd find the physical discomforts very difficult to put up with. You'd probably stink for a start, no-one showered every day in the past. And just imagine their ideas of a toilet! Fleas, lice, impassable 'roads', poverty at every turn, dodgy Law and Order, bitter cold and huddling round a smoky fire, or broiling heat with no air-con, incurable diseases etc etc. I'm staying in the here and now! |
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28 Apr 13 - 04:26 AM (#3509841) Subject: RE: BS: Time Machine; Pick a Year... From: GUEST,Blandiver Or back to 69 / 70 to see the Third Ear Band in their alchemical Druidic prime: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7oI2-S7W55A |
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28 Apr 13 - 04:54 AM (#3509846) Subject: RE: BS: Time Machine; Pick a Year... From: Bonzo3legs I think last Friday would do - with yesterday's winning lottery numbers! |
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28 Apr 13 - 05:22 AM (#3509852) Subject: RE: BS: Time Machine; Pick a Year... From: Wolfhound person 1733. To meet some of the people I'm trying to study, and see if I've got their families right, and to see what instruments they played, and what stories they told. In my own lifetime? 1968, I think. I'd be interested in reports back from 30AD Judea, cos the guy seems to have had some good ideas, but not enough to choose that as my first trip. And bits of me are with Eliza - I don't think I'd survive long back the...... Paws |
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28 Apr 13 - 09:14 AM (#3509908) Subject: RE: BS: Time Machine; Pick a Year... From: GUEST,gillymor Musket, here's what you could look forward to: "In a standard Roman crucifixion, the naked victim was scourged with a whip, its multiple lashes often weighted with bone or metal. Scourging alone could be fatal but usually wasn't. The crucificado was then nailed or tied to the crossbeam (not the whole cross) and forced to carry it to the permanently fixed upright. Blood loss from scourging and nailing helped determine survival time; the tied and lightly scourged could survive for days. In any case, victims suffered a long time before falling into prolonged unconsciousness and death. Soldiers typically didn't hasten things along because long and painful was the point. Usually the victim remained on the cross until birds and beasts consumed the body, but to avoid complaints the Romans allowed some crucified Jews to be buried, as evidenced by a crucified-but-buried skeleton discovered near Jerusalem. Lots of ways have been suggested for how this grisly process might kill you: exhaustion, exposure, heart failure, blood clot, pulmonary embolism, acidosis (the body's pH going badly out of whack), hypovolemic shock (organ failure resulting from drop in blood volume, due either to dehydration or bleeding), arrhythmia, hemothorax or hemopneumothorax (accumulation of blood and air around the lungs) leading to lung collapse. Chances are the cause of death varied depending on circumstances. The thing is, once you realize crucifixion is supposed to be slow, the exact mechanism of death doesn't seem so important. Obviously if you leave a guy exposed to the elements long enough he'll die of something — starvation, if nothing else. Some believe animal scavengers killed the victims, plausible if you recall that the crosses were usually quite short." - staightdope.com Careful what you wish for. |
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28 Apr 13 - 10:10 AM (#3509919) Subject: RE: BS: Time Machine; Pick a Year... From: Musket Still worth it, just to see Jack the Sailor bow to me when I return home afterwards... |
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28 Apr 13 - 10:16 AM (#3509920) Subject: RE: BS: Time Machine; Pick a Year... From: Jack the Sailor Only a person with no moral center and near infinite arrogance would think it possible to go back to a place where he doesn't speak any existing language and become the equal to the most famous person in the history of the world. |
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28 Apr 13 - 11:30 AM (#3509938) Subject: RE: BS: Time Machine; Pick a Year... From: Amos BIll D: Your self-defeating logical loop is intact, never fear. You may quote me, but only if you make the context complete. A |
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28 Apr 13 - 12:23 PM (#3509958) Subject: RE: BS: Time Machine; Pick a Year... From: Musket A bit like Gandhi, the South Africa based lawyer who went back to his family roots in India, despite only speaking English, Afrikaans and smattering of African dialects.... Anyway, I didn't say I'd be his equal, I said I'd be better. I'd have to to ensure it was me the songs were sung about and the stories written. A bit like the John Cleese character in "Life of Brian" who said, "He is the Messiah! I should know, I've followed enough of them..." (As an aside, for anybody else; I was in South Africa this time last year and visited Spion Kop. I didn't realise Gandhi was a stretcher bearer there for the British Army. You live and learn.) |
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28 Apr 13 - 12:30 PM (#3509961) Subject: RE: BS: Time Machine; Pick a Year... From: GUEST,Eliza I've thought of a way round this. Why not let us go back to the past (or forward to the future) but be invisible and just observe but not interact? We could be in suspended states and not need a toilet or feel heat/cold etc. We could understand any language, but not need to speak it. We could still wear our normal clothes, nobody would be able to see us. Actually, do you suppose the people of the future do this already, and are among us at this moment, unseen but observing? A bit creepy. Might explain 'ghosts' etc! |
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28 Apr 13 - 12:37 PM (#3509965) Subject: RE: BS: Time Machine; Pick a Year... From: Musket I'll go along with that Eliza. I'll stand at the goal line in 1966 and see if English traditional religion is correct. Are we right when we say Geoff Hurst's goal was across the line? Just that I used to work in Germany and took a lot of ribbing for it, despite pointing out I was a young 'un at the time and the telly was a bit fuzzy. |
