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Folk songs with 3/4 time signature

20 May 13 - 11:32 AM (#3517165)
Subject: Folk songs with 3/4 time signature
From: Northerner

I'm learning to play the ukulele. Want to be able to accompany myself when I perform at singarounds. Currently I'm trying to get to grips with the various strumming patterns and am looking at folk songs with a 3/4 time signature. Have practised "My Darling Clementine" and have also found "Amazing Grace", "Waltzing Matilda", "Streets of Laredo" and "Scarborough Fair." Also "House of the Rising Sun" but I think that might need a different strum to bring out its blues background. Surely there are more songs than this? Can you help me?


20 May 13 - 11:40 AM (#3517172)
Subject: RE: Folk songs with 3/4 time signature
From: GUEST,leeneia

Here's one quick answer. Are you familiar with the DT, the Mudcat's Digital Tradition? To use it, go to the box above, put "Waltz" in it and leave DT checked. That will bring up a list of waltzes and songs in 3/4 time for you. See which ones you like.


20 May 13 - 11:44 AM (#3517177)
Subject: RE: Folk songs with 3/4 time signature
From: Johnny J

Loads of them, e.g.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W9-lAOdQrGo



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GKfl2QLPVaA


20 May 13 - 11:46 AM (#3517178)
Subject: RE: Folk songs with 3/4 time signature
From: cptsnapper

There's nothing to stop you experimenting with 3/4 or any time signature for any song. I even use 5/4 for Little Musgrave, Eleanor Rigby and Bill Caddick's Unicorns.


20 May 13 - 12:14 PM (#3517194)
Subject: RE: Folk songs with 3/4 time signature
From: GUEST,Grishka

Waltzing Mathilda in 3/4??? Do you also play "The March Hare" in 2/4? Sure you can play everything in 7/16 time, but it would be different songs.


20 May 13 - 12:22 PM (#3517198)
Subject: RE: Folk songs with 3/4 time signature
From: GUEST,crazy little woman

Yes, Northerner, I don't have time to look up the songs you mentioned, but I think some of them are not in 3/4 time.

Anyhow, by coincidence somebody happens to be asking about a song called "The Rose in Her Hair." That's a lovely tune is 3/4 time, and here's a page where you can hear it and learn it.

http://www.wtv-zone.com/phyrst/audio/nfld/04/rose.htm

If you have MIDI software, you can download the notation for it.


20 May 13 - 12:47 PM (#3517210)
Subject: RE: Folk songs with 3/4 time signature
From: GUEST,Jack Sprocket

Hares on the Mountain. Landladies' Ball. Four Letter Word, sorry Four Legged Fiend. La Meuniere.


20 May 13 - 06:17 PM (#3517327)
Subject: RE: Folk songs with 3/4 time signature
From: Steve Shaw

Rainy Night In Soho, Fairytale of New York, Pair of Brown Eyes. I will not permit Shane to be omitted from this thread!


20 May 13 - 06:26 PM (#3517329)
Subject: RE: Folk songs with 3/4 time signature
From: Steve Shaw

Deportees, So Long It's Been Good To Know You (c'mon, Woody fans, there must be more!)


20 May 13 - 07:07 PM (#3517349)
Subject: RE: Folk songs with 3/4 time signature
From: GUEST,crazy little woman

If you are looking for recent music, here's a page designed for ballroom dancers that list many songs in 3/4 time.

http://www.shawntrautman.com/waltz_songs.aspx


20 May 13 - 08:07 PM (#3517379)
Subject: RE: Folk songs with 3/4 time signature
From: Crowhugger

Goodnight Irene.
Log Drivers Waltz.


21 May 13 - 12:16 AM (#3517422)
Subject: RE: Folk songs with 3/4 time signature
From: JohnInKansas

"Folk" songs in 3/4 time seem to me to be much more common in US "folk" than in old-world "folk;" but that may just be my lack of familiarity with the other worldly.

It could be noted that 3/4 time in which the "notes" are all triplet-eighths is more readily notated as 9/8, which is quite characterstic of the "Slip Jig," for which there are immense numbers of old-world examples. These are, however, mostly performed as tunes (instrumentals to dance to?) than as songs (lyrics for singing?) - I think(?).

In the US, the uke was popularized as a "Hawaiian instrument" and investigation of tunes/songs written for it in that genre might find a more "natural fit" to the instrument that would make for easier playing until some experience is gained - especially if starting with "traditionsl tunings," although more versatile applications of the instrument have allowed it to intrude almost everywhere to some extent.

I'm not aware that the uke existed in the era when "American Folkl Music" mostly appeared, although alternate tunings do seem to permit playing just about anything.

Those who actually know something of the things I'm babbling about will of course recognize that I'm not a member of their group(s) and perhaps they will be better equipped to expand on and to explain what they think I might think I'm talking about ... (?).

John


21 May 13 - 09:27 AM (#3517566)
Subject: RE: Folk songs with 3/4 time signature
From: Northerner

Thank you all. There's a few there that I can play with. Sadly the search engines etc are proving to be very disappointing. This time signature seems to be more popular for American songs than British but that's not a problem - I can experiment with some American folk songs.

Diane


21 May 13 - 09:36 AM (#3517574)
Subject: RE: Folk songs with 3/4 time signature
From: Jack Campin

Get a copy of Burns with the tunes. There are dozens of them.


21 May 13 - 09:45 AM (#3517578)
Subject: RE: Folk songs with 3/4 time signature
From: GUEST

Thank you Jack. That just might work!


21 May 13 - 01:17 PM (#3517666)
Subject: RE: Folk songs with 3/4 time signature
From: Steve Gardham

Believe me if all those endearing young charms, Rolling Hills of the Border,


21 May 13 - 01:29 PM (#3517673)
Subject: RE: Folk songs with 3/4 time signature
From: Johnny J

It might be easier to learn a few more time signatures.

:-)


21 May 13 - 02:11 PM (#3517689)
Subject: RE: Folk songs with 3/4 time signature
From: Ron Davies

I find "Star of the County Down" works well in 3/4.    Also, "Mountains of Mourne" is in 3.

"Sweet Betsy From Pike", " Home on the Range"

"Daisy, Daisy", if that's to your taste.

Lots of 19th century parlor songs.


21 May 13 - 02:30 PM (#3517691)
Subject: RE: Folk songs with 3/4 time signature
From: GUEST

JinK, have to take issue with you there. You could play six quavers and turn most waltz time tunes into jig time (6/8) but 9/8 is very different. When used for dancing jig time is much more dancer friendly than 9/8 but for certain dances, especially those involving strip the willow nothing other than 9/8 really works. To hear the difference try comparing Dingle Regatta or The Muckin' of Geordie's Byre (both 6/8) with The Peacock Followed The Hen or Drops Of Brandy (both 9/8). Slip jigs have a very different character- and I love 'em!


21 May 13 - 02:35 PM (#3517695)
Subject: RE: Folk songs with 3/4 time signature
From: GUEST,BrendanB

Sorry, that last was from me. That slippery little cookie slithered off again.
BrendanB


21 May 13 - 02:39 PM (#3517696)
Subject: RE: Folk songs with 3/4 time signature
From: PHJim

Peewee King's beautiful song The Tennessee Waltz, although perhaps not strictly a folk song, works well on the uke. It can be done with very simple chords, but sounds nice with these ones:

|G |   |   |C |G |E |A |D |
|G |   |   |C |G |D |G |   ||
|G |B7 |C |G |G |E |A |D |
|G |   |   |C |G |D |G |   ||

E or A could be played as sevenths, as could the D.


21 May 13 - 02:42 PM (#3517697)
Subject: RE: Folk songs with 3/4 time signature
From: Joe_F

Since this thread seems to have taken a broad view of "folk" (without protest! amazing!), I might mention an oddity: "Love's Old Sweet Song", in which the stanzas are in 4/4 but the refrain is in 3/4. Gets away with it, too, IMO. I cannot think of any other song that makes such a switch.


21 May 13 - 02:58 PM (#3517699)
Subject: RE: Folk songs with 3/4 time signature
From: PHJim

Since everyone seems to have a different definition of what "Folk" is*, and let's not get into that again, how about Dennis Brown's lovely song "Cross Ties On A Railroad"? The Hill Brothers, Randall and Rocky, have a nice version on Youtube.
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* My favourite definition of "Folk" is: A four letter word that starts with F and ends with K and if you use it, you won't get played on the radio.


21 May 13 - 03:26 PM (#3517707)
Subject: RE: Folk songs with 3/4 time signature
From: Ron Davies

Excellent, Jim.   Mind if we Mudcatters use it?


21 May 13 - 03:30 PM (#3517709)
Subject: RE: Folk songs with 3/4 time signature
From: Ron Davies

I imagine that "folk" in this context is songs people like to hear, may want to sing with, and which can be played on the uke.


21 May 13 - 03:36 PM (#3517712)
Subject: RE: Folk songs with 3/4 time signature
From: PHJim

Ron, I wouldn't have posted it if I wanted to keep it for myself. I think I heard that from a Peterborough, Ontario pal, Catfish Willie.

I heard Michael Cooney say that if it takes more than two trips to get your gear from the car to the stage, it ain't "Folk".


21 May 13 - 03:48 PM (#3517720)
Subject: RE: Folk songs with 3/4 time signature
From: Steve Gardham

Jim,
Excellent stuff. And if we're going to Tennessee, why not Kentucky?


21 May 13 - 04:12 PM (#3517729)
Subject: RE: Folk songs with 3/4 time signature
From: PHJim

Steve, a great song and they make a good medley.
Is it true that Peewee King and Bill Monroe had a feud over who came up with the idea of a waltz where a guy loses his sweetie when she dances with another man?


21 May 13 - 04:39 PM (#3517735)
Subject: RE: Folk songs with 3/4 time signature
From: Steve Shaw

After The Ball Is Over?


21 May 13 - 08:28 PM (#3517794)
Subject: RE: Folk songs with 3/4 time signature
From: GUEST,leeneia

Bonnie Tyneside
Bonnie George Campbell
Down in the Valley
On top of old Smokey


21 May 13 - 11:34 PM (#3517838)
Subject: RE: Folk songs with 3/4 time signature
From: JohnInKansas

Brendan B -

"Slip jigs have a very different character- and I love 'em!"

That was really part of the point. Although there are trends and habits that help you make a first guess, you can't really tell what a song should sound like - or how you'll want it to in your own arrangement - just from the key (time) signature.

The fun part is how you make it be your own music.

No disagreement that I see.

John


22 May 13 - 05:28 AM (#3517893)
Subject: RE: Folk songs with 3/4 time signature
From: Leadfingers

I hdnt realised how popular the waltz is until I did a support for Rose Marie at The Swan in Stockwell , and was doing slightly more 'Irish' than normal - Sang 'The Wild Colonial Boy' and had half a dozen couples happily waltzing to it !


22 May 13 - 10:55 AM (#3517987)
Subject: RE: Folk songs with 3/4 time signature
From: GUEST,Tattie Bogle

You can turn almost anything into 3/4 if you try hard enough: can't say I always like the results! Various ceilidh band "waltzes" which were originally in 4/4 include Loch Lomond, A Man's a Man for a' That, My Love is Like a Red Red Rose - yuk!

I would think of House of the Rising Sun as being in 6/8, not 3/4. (Based on The Animals' version which most of us in the UK would know). It's more of a picked out arpeggio: 12and3 456, 12and3 456, etc rather than a strum.

And I certainly wouldn't "strum" on some of the others mentioned: a little simple fingerpicking up and down the strings would sound so much nicer on Amazing Grace, for example.


22 May 13 - 11:14 AM (#3517998)
Subject: RE: Folk songs with 3/4 time signature
From: Johnny J

Have you lost your cookies as well, TB?

"My Love is Like a Red Red Rose - yuk!"

A lovely tune if you play Burns' preferred melody.... Major Graham's.

By the way, the OP is talking about the ukelele as opposed to guitar although there also options to finger pick there too although many of them like to strum.

Incidentally, I don't like a lot of the more complex strumming patterns which ukelele players use(I've now been taught many).... at least, not for simple folk songs and tunes and would generally tend to err on the side of more basic accompaniment for our kind of music.

By the way, I missed the ALP over the last few Tuesdays.
Doctor's appointment, Funeral, and a heavy cold all in that order but I'm sure you'd have managed without me! :-))


22 May 13 - 11:17 AM (#3518002)
Subject: RE: Folk songs with 3/4 time signature
From: Johnny J

I would also add that, for a waltz, I'd generally prefer to use a picking pattern although there are simple strums that would also do or a combination of both especially with The UKE.


22 May 13 - 11:41 AM (#3518014)
Subject: RE: Folk songs with 3/4 time signature
From: PHJim

I have seen this variation on Peggy Seeger's "Lullaby Lick" done for waltzes at our local uke group, using the thumb on the 3rd and 4th strings, index on the 2nd and bird finger on the 1st:

________3_____3______
_____0_____0_____0___
__0__________________
________0_____0______

It can be simplified by leaving out the last two second string notes.


22 May 13 - 11:46 AM (#3518016)
Subject: RE: Folk songs with 3/4 time signature
From: PHJim

With the picking pattern above, the chords which have unison notes on the first and fourth strings sound better if they're modified. An F chord, normally 2010, sounds better if you make it 2013.


23 May 13 - 09:14 AM (#3518371)
Subject: RE: Folk songs with 3/4 time signature
From: Snuffy

Wild Rover
Black Velvet Band


23 May 13 - 12:07 PM (#3518439)
Subject: RE: Folk songs with 3/4 time signature
From: Northerner

Johhny J, yes, I do intend to work with other time signatures. Tattybogle, I intend to add picking to my ukulele playing before too long.

Thank you all. A generous selection of songs with the 3/4 time signature means I can try things out with them - different strumming patterns, different strumming techniques, and yes, eventually, fingerpicking. You've given me some good songs to have fun with!


23 May 13 - 12:46 PM (#3518461)
Subject: RE: Folk songs with 3/4 time signature
From: Jack Campin

Something a bit different - the Russian song "Stenka Razin", which G.S. MacLennan morphed into his pipe march "The Kilworth Hills" after hearing it sung by Russian sailors in Leith.

http://www.kaikracht.de/balalaika/english/songs/izza_bal.htm


24 May 13 - 03:26 AM (#3518682)
Subject: RE: Folk songs with 3/4 time signature
From: Tattie Bogle

Johnny J, I found my cookie after a massive attack of head-scratching.

I like both tunes to "Red Red Rose" but neither of them is in 3/4 (normally!)
If Northerner fancies a wee Burns tune in 3/4, try "Ae Fond Kiss" but again wait till you've got the fingerpickin' licked!


24 May 13 - 09:38 AM (#3518781)
Subject: RE: Folk songs with 3/4 time signature
From: GUEST,gillymor

Paddy's Green Shamrock Shore
Banks of the Bann
Midnight on the Water
Lullaby of London (Pogues)


25 May 13 - 07:25 AM (#3519107)
Subject: RE: Folk songs with 3/4 time signature
From: Murray MacLeod

As Tattie Bogle so astutely observed above, it is a simple matter to turn any 4/4 tune into 3/4.

"Star of the County Down" and "Rose of Allendale" are two which spring to mind as being performed equally frequently in either signature.

IMO I prefer to play "Rose of Allendale" in 3/4 , and "Star of the County Down" in 4/4, but they both work either way.


25 May 13 - 09:12 AM (#3519132)
Subject: RE: Folk songs with 3/4 time signature
From: PHJim

Here's another simple finger pickin' waltz pattern for ukulele:

_____________3__________
______0_____________0___
___0____________________
_________0______0_______


25 May 13 - 09:31 AM (#3519133)
Subject: RE: Folk songs with 3/4 time signature
From: The Sandman

house of the risng sun works on guitar with finger picking ripple pattern, with a plectrum, if you hit a bass string for the first quaver, and play six quavers or half beats down up down up down up, on treble strings that should work, alternatively replace plectrum with thumb for first beat then fingers up for the next five quavers or half beats


25 May 13 - 09:34 AM (#3519134)
Subject: RE: Folk songs with 3/4 time signature
From: The Sandman

what is the tunings that different people use for uke, because with correct gauge strings they can be tuned like the top 4 strings of a guitar in standard tuning ...dgbe


25 May 13 - 02:15 PM (#3519185)
Subject: RE: Folk songs with 3/4 time signature
From: Tootler

Standard tuning for most ukes (soprano, concert & tenor) is gCEA reentrant; i.e. the G string is tuned to a higher pitch than the C string. The reentrant tuning is part of what gives the uke its character and it is essentially a strummed instrument. You can pick with a uke and it can work very well but you can't do bass runs as there are no bass strings, so picking basically involves playing arpeggios in the treble register.

The baritone uke is tuned DGBE, commonly with a low D string but even in this case quite a few folk use reentrant tuning with a high D string.

Also quite a few uke players like a low G string in otherwise standard tuning. This is especially true of tenor uke players. Quite a lot of discussion on the ukulele forum I belong to revolves around the high G/low G issue.

You might notice that if you capo a guitar at the fifth fret, the top four strings match standard uke tuning with a low G string.


25 May 13 - 04:28 PM (#3519217)
Subject: RE: Folk songs with 3/4 time signature
From: PHJim

Some folks also tune their soprano ukes to aDF#B, a full tone higher than the popular gCEA tuning. I have some friends who have ukes in GCEA (low G) for melody playing and gCEA (high G) for chording. A lot of wonderful melody playing can be done with the high G tuning.


25 May 13 - 06:01 PM (#3519232)
Subject: RE: Folk songs with 3/4 time signature
From: Tootler

I have a soprano tuned aDF#B, useful instead of a capo as a capo, especially on a soprano uke, gets in the way. I also keep a concert uke tuned fBbDG, a tone down from standard.

aDF#B was once considered the standard for soprano ukes. I have a George Formby songbook and it specifies different tunings for different songs. As well as gCEA and aDF#B, it also specifies BbEbGC, a semitone higher than aDF#B.


25 May 13 - 06:07 PM (#3519236)
Subject: RE: Folk songs with 3/4 time signature
From: PHJim

Hey Tootler,
I have a book of ukulele arrangements by May Singhi Breen that I bought at a flea market that has the uke tuned in many different ways depending on the key, all relatively the same, but higher or lower like your ukes.


25 May 13 - 06:47 PM (#3519243)
Subject: RE: Folk songs with 3/4 time signature
From: The Sandman

ok, so my point about playing house of the rising sun, was to play arpeggios of chordsinvolving picking six quavers.


25 May 13 - 10:39 PM (#3519292)
Subject: RE: Folk songs with 3/4 time signature
From: GUEST

Forget Me Not is a sweet song, three quarter, and very singable.


26 May 13 - 03:10 AM (#3519310)
Subject: RE: Folk songs with 3/4 time signature
From: Johnny J

I've been playing ukelele for a year(Among my other pursuits) and my eyes have been opened as regards the versatility and potential of this instrument.

As as been mentioned, there are several tuning possibilities, choice of high or low "G" string, various instruments in the family and so on.

I used to think that it was mainly used for strumming chords and can be very effectively. However, many of the complex patterns while fine for certain songs don't always suit folk and traditional music. So, I'd personally stick to more simple patterns. It's a matter of taste though.

Also, there are lots of lovely tune and melody arrangements composed for ukelele which take advantage of the high "G" string and the "campanella" style. It's also possible to play these by using notes on the E and A strings and there are many different and, sometimes, opposing views as to which arrangements are best.
However, it does give you an option to include nice "ringing" notes etc and other effects even although it doesn't always feel like the most natural way to play at times.


26 May 13 - 07:01 AM (#3519337)
Subject: RE: Folk songs with 3/4 time signature
From: The Sandman

i can see that the dgbe tuning[baritone uke] would be very useful as a way of teaching small children to lead on to the guitar


26 May 13 - 06:59 PM (#3519484)
Subject: RE: Folk songs with 3/4 time signature
From: Tootler

No, Dick. Get them a small guitar. A ukulele is an instrument in its own right not a stepping stone to something else. As a recorder player, I've come across too much of that sort of thinking.


27 May 13 - 07:48 AM (#3519612)
Subject: RE: Folk songs with 3/4 time signature
From: Johnny J

"A ukulele is an instrument in its own right "

True, while they are both from the same family and familiarity with one of them will help you understand the other both have their own subtleties and different techniques, playing stills will suit each instrument differently. So, it's not necessarily a good thing to transfer everything you've learne don the uke to the guitar or vice versa.

It's the same thing with the fidlle and the mandolin. Of course, the tuning is the same and the fingering is "similar" but you still have to approach each instrument differently.... i.e. picking patterns don't always correspond to bowing(Most of the time, in fact) and ornamentation is different.


27 May 13 - 08:30 AM (#3519618)
Subject: RE: Folk songs with 3/4 time signature
From: The Sandman

picking patterns do correspond if you get a baritone uke tuned dgbe, next, most guitar are too big for small children, and not good quality, baritone ukes are good quality and relatively cheap.
the uke is a fretted wooden instrument, that with corect gauge strings can be tuned in any tuning , the same as the guitar. it does not have to be tuned with re entrant tuning.
Tootler, i do not know what kind of thinking you are talking about, but   i disagree with you, i think using the uke like a small guitar is excellent for small children, small children can also learn the uke in its traditional format with re entrant tuning, why on earth cannot not be used in two different ways.


27 May 13 - 09:09 AM (#3519629)
Subject: RE: Folk songs with 3/4 time signature
From: Johnny J

You still can't replicate the finger picking patterns(plectrum or soft pick is easier, of course) exactly as the ukelele has only four strings. So, it makes sense to try some alternative approaches to make things sound interesting.

Also, when you do move to a six string instrument, you still have to think of what to do with the other two strings although I have seen some people only play very simple chords using the top four strings.... I actually saw this method taught in a very early guitar tutor.

A baritone ukelele isn't much smaller than a small guitar, of course.


27 May 13 - 09:36 AM (#3519637)
Subject: RE: Folk songs with 3/4 time signature
From: Johnny J

Also, even although the notes of the(part)chords *may* be the same, you will often have to rearrange your fingers to play the full chord on a six stringed guitar.

Re *may*

For instance, this A7 on guitar 002020 isn't quite the same chord if played on the four strings of a Baritone Uke, although it will often still sound OK, as the A note itself would be missing, i.e. it would be EGC#E.
So, it should be correctly played as EAC#G


27 May 13 - 03:13 PM (#3519743)
Subject: RE: Folk songs with 3/4 time signature
From: The Sandman

ah jazz guitarists often use just four strings either the bottom four the top 4 or the middle four, so the posibilities are there to tune eadg or adgb or dgbe or use these intervals but not necessarily the exact tuning, and use as a jazz rhythm instrument


27 May 13 - 05:13 PM (#3519793)
Subject: RE: Folk songs with 3/4 time signature
From: PHJim

Jazz guitarist Tiny Grimes played a tenor guitar tuned Chicago-style DGBE.


27 May 13 - 05:19 PM (#3519800)
Subject: RE: Folk songs with 3/4 time signature
From: PHJim

Grimes' Times by Tiny Grimes


27 May 13 - 05:20 PM (#3519801)
Subject: RE: Folk songs with 3/4 time signature
From: PHJim

Sorry, I should've tried to find a waltz.


28 May 13 - 11:38 AM (#3520038)
Subject: RE: Folk songs with 3/4 time signature
From: Northerner

Thank you all. To enter into the intruments fray, as it were, I have 2 ukuleles, one a soprano and the other a concert, both in standard tuning. I have 4 guitars, but one is a tenor guitar.


29 May 13 - 04:37 AM (#3520285)
Subject: RE: Folk songs with 3/4 time signature
From: Green Man

Lavender blue.


29 May 13 - 07:28 AM (#3520305)
Subject: RE: Folk songs with 3/4 time signature
From: Ron Davies

Lots of Carter family songs (which often have a lot in common with 19th century parlor songs--or even originated that way, often with the melody simplified in Carter Family arrangements.   "I'll Be All Smiles Tonight", "Anchored in Love", "That Will Be Heaven To Me", "Whispering Hope", "Mother Was A Lady" (chorus only), "Where Is My Boy Tonight?", "Give Me The Roses While I Live", etc. It's a long list.


29 May 13 - 07:53 AM (#3520311)
Subject: RE: Folk songs with 3/4 time signature
From: Tootler

Tootler, i do not know what kind of thinking you are talking about, but   i disagree with you, i think using the uke like a small guitar is excellent for small children, small children can also learn the uke in its traditional format with re entrant tuning, why on earth cannot not be used in two different ways.

Dick, I have on many occasions come across the attitude; "OK, they can play the recorder until they are big enough to learn a 'proper' instrument." As if a recorder was not a proper instrument with it's own techniques and repertoire.

That's why I'm against using the baritone uke as a stepping stone to guitar. It smacks of the same attitude. Yes there are similarities between recorder & flute oboe or clarinet but there are also differences. They are not that great that transition from one to another poses a major obstacle but what really sticks in my gullet is the attitude that the recorder is not a proper instrument. I can see the possibility of the same attitude developing about the ukulele.

There is another possibility. There is a guitarlele, a six string instrument size of a tenor ukulele. It is tuned ADGCEA, so the top four strings are the same as standard ukulele and the six strings have same relationship as the guitar so they can learn chord shapes and picking patterns which are adaptable to guitar should they wish.

OTOH why not just let them learn ukulele, they can still learn the basic techniques and if they wish to take up guitar later, they can and keep on with the ukulele. After all that's what George Harrison did and it seems the uke was always his real love. I don't think the difference in tuning is a major issue. The relationship between the strings is the same. Several of the members of my ukulele group started on guitar and they have adapted no bother. To me it's like transferring between descant/tenor and treble or bass recorder - same fingerings, different notes (or chords).

Geoff


29 May 13 - 12:46 PM (#3520412)
Subject: RE: Folk songs with 3/4 time signature
From: Northerner

Thank you for all the song suggestions.


29 May 13 - 05:12 PM (#3520508)
Subject: RE: Folk songs with 3/4 time signature
From: GUEST,Grishka

The uke should not be compared to the recorder, but it has something in common with the tin whistle: being primarily optimized for affordability (hence "penny whistle"), only secondarily for ease of playing. The "re-entrant" tuning makes for cheaper strings and less demand on the stability of the body.

Eventually both instruments developed their own cultures, characterized by slight self-irony even in the hands of virtuoso players. Comparable to designer jeans or gourmet pizzas.