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24 May 13 - 11:49 AM (#3518828) Subject: Phil Ochs From: GUEST,Janie Hi everyone! I grew up being sung Phil Ochs songs and he was considered a hero among people with good politics. But recently I've seen allegations that he may have begun his career as a paid agitator/informant and was used to infiltrate the left/Yippies/etc. This would be terrible if true. I don't want to believe it - but some of the information comes from an old friend of Phil's. Here is a discussion of some of it: http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/index.php?showtopic=10194 What does everyone here think? Janie |
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24 May 13 - 12:05 PM (#3518834) Subject: RE: Phil Ochs From: GUEST Looks like classic conspiracy theory ramblings. |
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24 May 13 - 12:56 PM (#3518854) Subject: RE: Phil Ochs From: Elmore Janie: Check out his sister's web site. Maybe you could e-mail Sonny and find out what she has to say. That would be interesting. |
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24 May 13 - 01:03 PM (#3518858) Subject: RE: Phil Ochs From: GUEST,mando-player-91 Righhhhttttt... |
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24 May 13 - 01:08 PM (#3518860) Subject: RE: Phil Ochs From: maeve http://www.sonnyochs.com/ |
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24 May 13 - 01:11 PM (#3518863) Subject: RE: Phil Ochs From: Jeri Not our Janie, are ye, Old Hoss... |
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24 May 13 - 01:24 PM (#3518867) Subject: RE: Phil Ochs From: pdq People with nothing better to talk about have claimed that numerous counterculture heros were related to CIA agents or worked as spies for the DOD. Some of the names that have been raised are John Phillips, David Crosby, Phil Ochs, Leonard Cohen, Gram Parsons and Stephen Stills. Some of them are/were simply gun owners and defenders of the 2nd Amendment. Phip Ochs died totally insane. That was almost 40 years ago. Let it go. |
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24 May 13 - 01:25 PM (#3518868) Subject: RE: Phil Ochs From: Bettynh Folks in the USA can decide for themselves by watching this fine PBS documentary.. |
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24 May 13 - 02:28 PM (#3518887) Subject: RE: Phil Ochs From: Elmore Maeve: thanks for the blue clicky. Elmore, the Luddite |
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24 May 13 - 03:28 PM (#3518907) Subject: RE: Phil Ochs From: GUEST Looks like bullshit to me. |
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24 May 13 - 09:31 PM (#3519007) Subject: RE: Phil Ochs From: Elmore Tell you what. Phil was one of my favorite song writers, but he was a big time b.s. artist. He once told my friend Camille that he was into folk music for the money. She believed him. |
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24 May 13 - 09:41 PM (#3519011) Subject: RE: Phil Ochs From: Joe Offer Yeah, I think rather than looking into all sorts of dirt, it's better to just look at his songs and decide for yourself whether you liked them. I like a lot of his songs, but his "Changes" is just sublime. Phil's sister Sonny Ochs has built a wonderful tribute Website. I watched the American Masters show on Phil Ochs today, and it was terrific. No, he was not perfect - but he wrote a number of near-perfect songs. What more can we ask? Oh...and American Masters had a show this week on Mel Brooks. I think I like Mel Brooks even better than I like Phil Ochs. -Joe- |
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25 May 13 - 03:02 AM (#3519055) Subject: RE: Phil Ochs - paid agitator? From: Jim Carroll I saw Phil Ochs give forth with a right-wing rant at a CND (Campaign for Nuclear Disarmament) concert he had been booked to perform at in London - always put it down to a 'right-wing rant. Jim Carroll |
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25 May 13 - 03:51 AM (#3519059) Subject: RE: Phil Ochs - paid agitator? From: The Sandman since joe gormley and ray buckton, NUM and ASLEF union leaders respectively were reporting back to MI5 during the 1973 miners strike,Iwould say it is not impossible |
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25 May 13 - 10:53 AM (#3519150) Subject: RE: Phil Ochs - paid agitator? From: GUEST,Arkie Could the shift in politics be due to a severely addled brain. |
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25 May 13 - 11:18 AM (#3519154) Subject: RE: Phil Ochs - paid agitator? From: Greg F. What do I think? I think its absolute bullshit, and a real disservice to Phil & his family. |
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25 May 13 - 12:41 PM (#3519166) Subject: RE: Phil Ochs - paid agitator? From: EBarnacle As others have said above, check with Sonny. If anyone would know and be in a position to verify, she would. Jim is also an old friend and he was extremely close to Phil. After Phil's death Sonny gave him Phil's guitar as a gift. As has been said, Phil is also known for carrying a joke for a very long time. The only way you will ever know for sure is by doing a Freedom of Information Act request for the info from the CIA and FBI and hoping it does not get too heavily redacted. |
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25 May 13 - 03:27 PM (#3519199) Subject: RE: Phil Ochs - paid agitator? From: GUEST,D. Gosser What are the facts? An old allegation made about a person who died almost 30 years ago, with no facts to back it up. But look at the entire history and body of work and action of Ochs, including extensive interview with Ochs nothing comes across except a sincere individual with a great compassion. I agree that the recent film (There but for Fortune) takes care to stick to the facts and is the best biographical representation of Ochs to date. |
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25 May 13 - 03:38 PM (#3519205) Subject: RE: Phil Ochs - paid agitator? From: Joe Offer Does this There But For Fortune link work only inside the U.S, or is it available worldwide? Oh, and don't forget the Mel Brooks program. -Joe- |
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25 May 13 - 03:53 PM (#3519211) Subject: RE: Phil Ochs - paid agitator? From: Dave Hanson Not in the UK Joe. Dave H |
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25 May 13 - 04:22 PM (#3519216) Subject: RE: Phil Ochs - paid agitator? From: GUEST http://www.last.fm/user/broadsideballad/journal/2009/08/07/2x74fo_phil_ochs_fbi_file |
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25 May 13 - 04:42 PM (#3519218) Subject: RE: Phil Ochs - paid agitator? From: Bettynh Thanks, GUEST. It reminds me of the days we spent reading Mao's Little Red Book aloud to the walls and ceilings to enlighten those we knew were listening. ;-) |