BS: Kennedies kill Marilyn Monroe???

10 Jun 13 - 11:14 AM (#3524814)
Subject: BS: Kennedies kill Marilyn Monroe???
From: beardedbruce

"Otash, who had installed bugging devices in her Los Angeles home, has long been derided by Kennedy admirers for his claims to have listened to a tape of Monroe and JFK in bed together.
But the notes published by The Hollywood Reporter magazine last week contained a detailed account of his bugging activities and what he heard.
Shortly before his death, he told an interviewer: 'They were having a sexual relationship ... but I don't want to get into the moans and groans.'
And in his notes, Otash claimed: 'I listened to Marilyn Monroe die.'
He recorded that on August 5 1962, she had a violent argument with the Kennedys and that she felt that she had been 'passed around like a piece of meat'.
The notes read: 'She was really screaming and they were trying to quiet her down.
'She's in the bedroom and Bobby gets the pillow and he muffles her on the bed to keep the neighbors from hearing. She finally quieted down and then he was looking to get out of there.'
Otash only found out she had died later on.



http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2338425/Marilyn-Monroe-death-Confession-inside-diary-Hollywoods-famous-private-detective

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10 Jun 13 - 12:23 PM (#3524836)
Subject: RE: BS: Kennedies kill Marilyn Monroe???
From: Mrrzy

Then, what, od'd her posthumously?

I have heard this theory before, they certainly had motive...

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10 Jun 13 - 12:31 PM (#3524838)
Subject: RE: BS: Kennedies kill Marilyn Monroe???
From: beardedbruce

"According to The Hollywood Reporter, it was the negative portrayal of Otash in Ellroy's book that persuaded Colleen to search through her father's old records and make some of them public.
'I was very aggrieved,' she said. '[I thought]: what can we do to stop [Ellroy] from taking my father's life and turning it into just a horrible fictional depiction?'
The Otash notes published so far do not reveal what, if anything, the detective discovered when he searched Monroe's house and the tapes of the Hollywood star's alleged encounters with the Kennedys have never surfaced.
A red filing cabinet that contained Otash's most sensitive material was removed from his apartment by his lawyer after he collapsed from an apparent heart attack. Its contents were never seen again."

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10 Jun 13 - 01:13 PM (#3524855)
Subject: RE: BS: Kennedies kill Marilyn Monroe???
From: Little Hawk

Chongo was talking about this just the other day at the bar. He said, "I definitely got my suspicions. What bothers me, though, is supposin' I DO find conclusive proof of guilt...who do I arrest?"

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10 Jun 13 - 01:22 PM (#3524866)
Subject: RE: BS: Kennedies kill Marilyn Monroe???
From: Rapparee

I admit it. I did it. I killed her. I also killed JFK and RFK, James Garfield, William McKinley, Abraham Lincoln, Queen Victoria, Nelson Eddy, Kate Smith, Alexander the Great, Julius Caesar, Richard III, Anne Boleyn, and Vincingetorix, among others.

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10 Jun 13 - 01:24 PM (#3524868)
Subject: RE: BS: Kennedies kill Marilyn Monroe???
From: GUEST,Eliza

I think that these conspiracy theories are often a bit far-fetched, and that the simplest explanation is the most likely. The poor woman took all sorts of dodgy medication to calm herself down and wake herself up, not to mention a lot of alcohol. It's more than reasonable to deduce that her body was overwhelmed and gave out. It's the same with the Diana conspiracy idea. The fact is that the driver, Henri Paul, was not fit to drive, and crashed the car. Michael Jackson too died because of dangerous levels of medication in his system. It's all very sad but not particularly sinister.

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10 Jun 13 - 01:27 PM (#3524871)
Subject: RE: BS: Kennedies kill Marilyn Monroe???
From: Q (Frank Staplin)

Thanks, Rapparee. One claim I dispute. I offed Nelson Eddy and Jeanette MacDonald. Their film made a joke of the Mounties.

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10 Jun 13 - 01:35 PM (#3524872)
Subject: RE: BS: Kennedies kill Marilyn Monroe???
From: GUEST,Chongo Chimp

Aha! I been wonderin' who was behind THAT one! Now we got the motive, it all makes sense. I hope yer prepared to go quietly, Q.

Eliza - C'mon! Geez, what a bore you are. What a wet blanket. Get a life, fer Chrissake, and stop tryin' to turn the whole world into a place where "nothin' happened". I fight crime, see? How'm I supposta do my job if you keep sayin' no crimes occurred? Gimme a break.

- Chongo

p.s. Rap? It's Vercingetorix, you sap! Check out yer glossary of Gallic names and you will see that I am right.

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10 Jun 13 - 01:50 PM (#3524877)
Subject: RE: BS: Kennedies kill Marilyn Monroe???
From: Rapparee

No, I offed his twin brother who worked for the Romans -- we called him "Vince" and he got too big for his tunic.

Q, you mighta offed Nelson Eddy as well as Jeannette Macdonald. The mountie I did I did because a guy named "Whiplash" paid me. It was an easy one, that one.

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10 Jun 13 - 01:57 PM (#3524882)
Subject: RE: BS: Kennedies kill Marilyn Monroe???
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity

When Nelson Eddy was playing the Mountie, in 'Rose Marie', he was pursuing a fugitive..played by none other than Jimmy Stewart....it must have been the only time Stewart played a 'bad guy'....ya' think maybe he got rev....aw, never mind, he couldn't have.

GfS

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10 Jun 13 - 02:02 PM (#3524885)
Subject: RE: BS: Kennedies kill Marilyn Monroe???
From: Greg F.

Beardy, this one is out in left field even for you, the acknlwledged professional propagator pf preposterous horseshit that you are.

You really do need to seek professional help.

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10 Jun 13 - 02:06 PM (#3524886)
Subject: RE: BS: Kennedies kill Marilyn Monroe???
From: gnu

Rap... did you kill Cock Robin?

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10 Jun 13 - 02:10 PM (#3524892)
Subject: RE: BS: Kennedies kill Marilyn Monroe???
From: beardedbruce

"The pathologist, Dr. Thomas Noguchi, could find no trace of capsules, powder or the typical discoloration caused by Nembutal in Monroe's stomach or intestines, indicating that the drugs that killed her had not been swallowed. If Monroe had taken them over a period of time (which might account for the lack of residue), she would have died before ingesting the amount found in her bloodstream. Monroe was found lying face down. There was also evidence of cyanosis, an indication that death had been very quick. Noguchi asked the toxicologist for examinations of the blood, liver, kidneys, stomach, urine and intestines, which would have revealed exactly how the drugs got into Monroe's system. However, the toxicologist, after examining the blood, did not believe he needed to check other organs, so many of the organs were destroyed without being examined. Noguchi later asked for the samples, but the medical photographs, the slides of those organs that were examined and the examination form showing bruises on the body had disappeared, making it impossible to investigate the cause of death.
The toxicology report shows high levels of Nembutal (38–66 capsules) and chloral hydrate (14–23 tablets) in Monroe's blood. The level found was enough to kill more than 10 people. An examination of the body ruled out intravenous injection as the source of the drugs. Coroner Dr. Theodore Curphey oversaw the full autopsy. Apart from the cause of death as listed on the death certificate, the results were never made public and no record of the findings was kept."

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10 Jun 13 - 02:14 PM (#3524895)
Subject: RE: BS: Kennedies kill Marilyn Monroe???
From: Q (Frank Staplin)

Note- who are the Kennedies?

Did you mean Kennedys?


Unless you started this thread tongue in cheek, your tongue is in a cowpie.

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10 Jun 13 - 02:22 PM (#3524898)
Subject: RE: BS: Kennedies kill Marilyn Monroe???
From: catspaw49

Actually, tinydickbrucie IS a cowpie..........


Spaw

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10 Jun 13 - 02:27 PM (#3524902)
Subject: RE: BS: Kennedies kill Marilyn Monroe???
From: Rapparee

Actually, gnu, I killed Robin's co...never mind.

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10 Jun 13 - 02:50 PM (#3524914)
Subject: RE: BS: Kennedies kill Marilyn Monroe???
From: Don Firth

Can't possibly be true!

After Marilyn had her alleged affair with JFK, she vanished from public view. The story got out that she had died of a drug overdose, but naturally the chronic conspiracy theorists and Kennedy haters had to get into the act as they invariably do.

Actually, now it can be told. Fed up with Hollywood, living constantly in the spotlight, and never having a moment of privacy, she vanished into the Great North Woods in the north end of Seattle. On one of my frequent rambles through the forest, you can imagine my surprise when I found her living in a cave in Seattle's Cowan Park. She was cold, wet, and uncomfortable, and although she felt physically miserable, she was very glad to be away from it all.

I offered her sanctuary in my University District apartment. She moved in with me and soon we began a steamy affair.

But I got tired and shook her, and ran off with General Hooker, 'a-huntin' skeeters down in Tennessee.

When I returned, I found a note from her saying that she had had a sex change operation and was now applying for astronaut training.

Since she'd had a complete identity change, the world lost track of her.

The rumor is that she's alive and well and living on Mars.

Don Firth

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10 Jun 13 - 03:04 PM (#3524919)
Subject: RE: BS: Kennedies kill Marilyn Monroe???
From: MGM·Lion

Eliza ~~ Sorry, I don't buy your Diana comparison. An experienced professional driver like Henri Paul, with a reputation to maintain & a living to make, does not drink himself legless when responsibly at work for a particularly distinguished but notoriously vulnerable passenger. He must have been got at, his drinks spiked. Her death was just far too convenient to all sorts of influential people, who would not have wished the second and third heirs to the Throne to find themselves with an Islamic stepfather. So was Marilyn's, to the Kennedy lot. I'm not generally much of one for conspiracy theories either; but these two cases do, to express it at its lowest, perpetually bug me.

~M~

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10 Jun 13 - 03:21 PM (#3524927)
Subject: RE: BS: Kennedies kill Marilyn Monroe???
From: Stilly River Sage

The argument is as bad as the title name spelling, Q.

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10 Jun 13 - 03:28 PM (#3524930)
Subject: RE: BS: Kennedies kill Marilyn Monroe???
From: Jeri

I'd think the thread was worthless as the stupid conspiracy theory troll slime we're used to around here if it weren't for the giggle "Kennedies" inspires in me.

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10 Jun 13 - 03:29 PM (#3524933)
Subject: RE: BS: Kennedies kill Marilyn Monroe???
From: gnu

Rap... thanks for the clarification. I ask merely because I spotted you as a suspect in the riveting documentary.

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10 Jun 13 - 03:38 PM (#3524939)
Subject: RE: BS: Kennedies kill Marilyn Monroe???
From: gnu

Jeri... a new word... you've got the "Kennedies".

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10 Jun 13 - 03:39 PM (#3524940)
Subject: RE: BS: Kennedies kill Marilyn Monroe???
From: Q (Frank Staplin)

Oh, no gnu! That's incurable!

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10 Jun 13 - 03:51 PM (#3524945)
Subject: RE: BS: Kennedies kill Marilyn Monroe???
From: Little Hawk

Oh, the joys of feeling superior to another person over a typo! ;-) What a delight it is! How opportune that he mispelled "Kennedys". That in itself proves his irredeemable idiocy beyond a shadow of a doubt, doesn't it? This is the kind of thing that really makes the Internet worthwhile, in my opinion. It's the icing on the cake. I don't know about you, but I'm always on the watch for this sort of valuable opportunity to enhance my opinion of myself at another's expense. My suffering ego needs this kind of reinforcement in a dark and lonely world...and it gets it by running other egos down. Fun, fun, fun. ;-) It's almost like being back in Junior High again.

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10 Jun 13 - 05:09 PM (#3524964)
Subject: RE: BS: Kennedies kill Marilyn Monroe???
From: Greg F.

Yo, Little Hawk: Blow me. How's that for junior high school?

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10 Jun 13 - 06:04 PM (#3524986)
Subject: RE: BS: Kennedies kill Marilyn Monroe???
From: Rapparee

I told you I did it. I confessed.

Did I also mention Butch Cassidy, Jesse James, Bat Masterson, Wyatt Urp, Marshal Dillon and Liberty Valance?

Yeah, right there in the street, at high noon, I said, "It's curtains for you, Valance!" and shot him down.

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10 Jun 13 - 06:10 PM (#3524994)
Subject: RE: BS: Kennedies kill Marilyn Monroe???
From: GUEST,Eliza

MtheGM, I do see that Diana's death may have been a huge relief for the Establishment. But if one wanted someone dead, drugging a driver is a bit uncertain. After all, the bodyguard survived, and Diana may have also. One can indeed promote a car accident, but no-one can predict the outcome.

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10 Jun 13 - 07:14 PM (#3525011)
Subject: RE: BS: Kennedies kill Marilyn Monroe???
From: Q (Frank Staplin)

Yep, Queen Victoria reached out from the grave....

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10 Jun 13 - 08:46 PM (#3525035)
Subject: RE: BS: Kennedies kill Marilyn Monroe???
From: Bobert

I think that Don's story is the most plausable...

B~

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10 Jun 13 - 08:49 PM (#3525037)
Subject: RE: BS: Kennedies kill Marilyn Monroe???
From: Rapparee

Don's story is completely true, because I served with him when he was with General Hooker.

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10 Jun 13 - 10:07 PM (#3525057)
Subject: RE: BS: Kennedies kill Marilyn Monroe???
From: olddude

I once had sex with her in an elevator , I think that is what did it

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10 Jun 13 - 10:27 PM (#3525059)
Subject: RE: BS: Kennedies kill Marilyn Monroe???
From: Don Firth

Well, olddude, like they say, love has its ups and downs.

Don Firth

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11 Jun 13 - 03:13 AM (#3525090)
Subject: RE: BS: Kennedies kill Marilyn Monroe???
From: GUEST,CS

I don't have an opinion on whether Monroe was murdered or not, but I don't find it particularly far fetched that people in power have other people that they don't want alive, to be made dead.

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11 Jun 13 - 05:56 AM (#3525112)
Subject: RE: BS: Kennedies kill Marilyn Monroe???
From: GUEST,Eliza

Don, hahahahaha!

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11 Jun 13 - 11:55 AM (#3525237)
Subject: RE: BS: Kennedies kill Marilyn Monroe???
From: MGM·Lion

Eliza ~~ I think that view of the matter very hard on the memory of M Paul, who was, as I said, a much regarded professional driver with a reputation as such to maintain. I cannot believe he would ever by his own volition have got drunk or drugged up in the course of an evening when he was fulfilling a professional engagement for anyone, let alone for so prominent a pair of passengers.

~M~

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11 Jun 13 - 11:58 AM (#3525240)
Subject: RE: BS: Kennedies kill Marilyn Monroe???
From: Elmore

Not sure, but I believe the all-knowing, learned and, above all charming Bearded Bruce spelled Kennedys incorrectly

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11 Jun 13 - 12:13 PM (#3525243)
Subject: RE: BS: Kennedies kill Marilyn Monroe???
From: Stilly River Sage

Do you feel better now, Little Hawk? If it was a serious thread someone would have corrected the title, nothing said about it. The drop the Y, add IES mistake just suits the lunacy of the topic.

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11 Jun 13 - 12:47 PM (#3525254)
Subject: RE: BS: Kennedies kill Marilyn Monroe???
From: Elmore

OOps. Sorry. I missed the entry by Little Hawk which addressed BB's illiteracy

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11 Jun 13 - 02:03 PM (#3525288)
Subject: RE: BS: Kennedies kill Marilyn Monroe???
From: Don Firth

"Oh, the joys of feeling superior to another person. . . ."

This from Little Hawk!??

Well, yeah, he ought to know about that. . . .

Don Firth

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11 Jun 13 - 02:10 PM (#3525293)
Subject: RE: BS: Kennedies kill Marilyn Monroe???
From: GUEST,Eliza

I have always sincerely pitied Marilyn Monroe. It seems to me she was heartlessly manipulated as a profitable concern and used in every way by men. Her sordid end showed how little anyone truly cared about her as a person. She was vulnerable and naive IMO, needing reassurance and support towards boosting her self-esteem. Very sad.

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11 Jun 13 - 02:29 PM (#3525302)
Subject: RE: BS: Kennedies kill Marilyn Monroe???
From: Q (Frank Staplin)

Never paid any attention to her- just another woman known only for her looks- until I saw the film, "Some like it hot."
She did an excellent job on a part requiring inner wit and intelligence.

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11 Jun 13 - 02:36 PM (#3525305)
Subject: RE: BS: Kennedies kill Marilyn Monroe???
From: GUEST,Eliza

I agree, Q. She was by no means just a 'dumb blonde' but her 'inner intelligence' seemed to me to be in conflict with her deep insecurities. An interesting and complex personality, but tragic too.

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11 Jun 13 - 02:53 PM (#3525309)
Subject: RE: BS: Kennedies kill Marilyn Monroe???
From: GUEST,Grishka

Her brother James killed JFK for revenge, I know that for sure.

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11 Jun 13 - 03:13 PM (#3525317)
Subject: RE: BS: Kennedies kill Marilyn Monroe???
From: MGM·Lion

May I remark that I think it a great shame that this should have degenerated into a facetious thread, with contributions from the insufferably unamusing Chongo &c, and witty remarks from incomparably brilliant humorists about the death of a beautiful and talented person to whom for some incomprehensible reason they appear to think themselves so inexpressibly superior and to have every right to patronise and make light of her suffering..

There really are times when I wonder if I can tolerate shitty Mudcat for another second.

Anyone listening?

Thought not...

~M~

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11 Jun 13 - 03:16 PM (#3525319)
Subject: RE: BS: Kennedies kill Marilyn Monroe???
From: bobad

I agree MtheGM.

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11 Jun 13 - 03:21 PM (#3525322)
Subject: RE: BS: Kennedies kill Marilyn Monroe???
From: GUEST,Eliza

Me too.

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11 Jun 13 - 03:33 PM (#3525327)
Subject: RE: BS: Kennedies kill Marilyn Monroe???
From: Don Firth

Folks, the satire is aimed, not at Marilyn Monroe or the manner of her tragic and untimely death, but at the sheer asininity of the opening post that started this thread.

There seems to be a plague of asinine opening posts these days, and generally done by the usual suspects.

Don Firth

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11 Jun 13 - 03:38 PM (#3525329)
Subject: RE: BS: Kennedies kill Marilyn Monroe???
From: beardedbruce

What is asinine about finding evidence that MM was murdered?

"And in his notes, Otash claimed: 'I listened to Marilyn Monroe die.'
He recorded that on August 5 1962, she had a violent argument with the Kennedys and that she felt that she had been 'passed around like a piece of meat'.
The notes read: 'She was really screaming and they were trying to quiet her down.
'She's in the bedroom and Bobby gets the pillow and he muffles her on the bed to keep the neighbors from hearing. She finally quieted down and then he was looking to get out of there.'
Otash only found out she had died later on"

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"The pathologist, Dr. Thomas Noguchi, could find no trace of capsules, powder or the typical discoloration caused by Nembutal in Monroe's stomach or intestines, indicating that the drugs that killed her had not been swallowed. If Monroe had taken them over a period of time (which might account for the lack of residue), she would have died before ingesting the amount found in her bloodstream. Monroe was found lying face down. There was also evidence of cyanosis, an indication that death had been very quick. Noguchi asked the toxicologist for examinations of the blood, liver, kidneys, stomach, urine and intestines, which would have revealed exactly how the drugs got into Monroe's system. However, the toxicologist, after examining the blood, did not believe he needed to check other organs, so many of the organs were destroyed without being examined. Noguchi later asked for the samples, but the medical photographs, the slides of those organs that were examined and the examination form showing bruises on the body had disappeared, making it impossible to investigate the cause of death."

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11 Jun 13 - 04:07 PM (#3525332)
Subject: RE: BS: Kennedies kill Marilyn Monroe???
From: olddude

Blame Spaw, those burrito farts could kill anyone

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11 Jun 13 - 06:07 PM (#3525374)
Subject: RE: BS: Kennedies kill Marilyn Monroe???
From: Greg F.

BB's perfectly rational OP

Hilarious.

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11 Jun 13 - 08:34 PM (#3525402)
Subject: RE: BS: Kennedies kill Marilyn Monroe???
From: Elmore

Everyone knows that the ghost of Clark Gable killed MM because when they were shooting The Misfits she reminded him of his true love, Carole Lombard, who died in a plane crash.

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11 Jun 13 - 09:07 PM (#3525410)
Subject: RE: BS: Kennedies kill Marilyn Monroe???
From: Bobert

Okay, I have this from a very reliable source...

First, Don Firth had nothing to do with MM's death...

Here's the real deal... Seems that LBJ was tappin' that thing, too and so when the Kennedy's had her offed, he had them offed...

There you have it...

B~

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11 Jun 13 - 09:12 PM (#3525412)
Subject: RE: BS: Kennedies kill Marilyn Monroe???
From: Elmore

Of Course.

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12 Jun 13 - 01:23 AM (#3525472)
Subject: RE: BS: Kennedies kill Marilyn Monroe???
From: MGM·Lion

Subject: RE: BS: Kennedies kill Marilyn Monroe???
From: Greg F. - PM
Date: 11 Jun 13 - 06:07 PM

BB's perfectly rational OP

Hilarious.
.,,.

Well, now ~~~~

Oh, leave it, Michael. It's only Greg F. He's not worth it...

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12 Jun 13 - 05:42 AM (#3525514)
Subject: RE: BS: Kennedies kill Marilyn Monroe???
From: GUEST,Eliza

Bravo Bee-dubya-ell!

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12 Jun 13 - 09:56 AM (#3525595)
Subject: RE: BS: Kennedies kill Marilyn Monroe???
From: Greg F.

a large number of Mudcat's frequent posters seem to have missed huge swaths of class time when their teachers explained the proper role of manners, courtesy, and civilized behavior.

Our own bearded purveyor of 24 karat horseshit included.

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12 Jun 13 - 10:08 AM (#3525601)
Subject: RE: BS: Kennedies kill Marilyn Monroe???
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T

There really are times when I wonder if I can tolerate shitty Mudcat for another second.

Anyone listening?

Yes!......And, on this subject, agreeing!

Don T.

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12 Jun 13 - 10:18 AM (#3525602)
Subject: RE: BS: Kennedies kill Marilyn Monroe???
From: GUEST,Grishka

The OP is just quoting a (questionable) press product, so I would neither call it asinine nor rational. The asininity lies in the sensationalist blow-up of spurious witness accounts, typical for the tabloid press and its fans. Otherwise Don Firth (11 Jun 13 - 03:33 PM) is spot-on.

Politicians and other powerful persons killing for their own career is a serious phenomenon, still acute. Remarkable that the once idolized Kennedys are now thought perfectly capable of that - presumably in the light of their now known role in the Vietnam war and other crises. Their current reincarnation seems to have just arrived at a similar turning point.

As for Norma Jean, we should add that she was also remarkable as a singer, her recordings still being a pleasure to listen to.

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12 Jun 13 - 10:18 AM (#3525603)
Subject: RE: BS: Kennedies kill Marilyn Monroe???
From: MGM·Lion

Thank you, Don. Much appreciated.

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12 Jun 13 - 10:22 AM (#3525605)
Subject: RE: BS: Kennedies kill Marilyn Monroe???
From: MGM·Lion

Grishks ~~ And not just a mere 'pleasure' in all cases. I should rate her performance of "My ❤ Belongs To Daddy" as absolutely incomparable.

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xr2q5_marilyn-monroe-my-heart-belongs-to_news#.UbiEEe2EYqY

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12 Jun 13 - 10:37 AM (#3525609)
Subject: RE: BS: Kennedies kill Marilyn Monroe???
From: GUEST

The Kennedys killed Marilyn on direct orders from the Israelis who controlled them. That's why Sirhan Sirhan was sent to kill Bobby. It was Palestinian revenge.

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