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23 Jun 13 - 06:29 AM (#3529314) Subject: Tech: Mudcat acting differently in Firefox? From: Dave the Gnome Dunno if it is a change to the 'cat or a change to Firefox. Where once submitting a post or hitting 'back' from within a thread used to take you back to the thread list at the position you left it, it now, after a brief flash of the last position, takes you back to the top. IE is fine and still takes you to where you left off. Not a big problem - Just wondering if there is anything I could or should do. My IE is 10.0.6 while Firefox is 5.0 Cheers DtG |
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23 Jun 13 - 06:48 AM (#3529320) Subject: RE: Tech: Mudcat acting differently in Firefox? From: gnomad That's an old Firefox you are using, Dave. Have you tried updating it? The version on the machine I'm on is 21.0 At first I was guessing you were using Linux (different sequence of issues of Firefox) but as you mention IE I'm guessing not. I haven't noticed the problem you mention, I'll try with this post. |
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23 Jun 13 - 06:53 AM (#3529322) Subject: RE: Tech: Mudcat acting differently in Firefox? From: gnomad Hmmm. Me too, though I don't really see it as a problem, just different. Does it bother you a lot? |
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23 Jun 13 - 07:04 AM (#3529324) Subject: RE: Tech: Mudcat acting differently in Firefox? From: Bonnie Shaljean Firefox seems to work fine for me: v.21.0 on an elderly MacBook and whatever I have on windows 7, both of which I keep updated. But the iPad is a different story (Max, ya listening?) or at least it was last time I used it. The bookmark would bring up Mudcat as per normal, then after a few seconds would shift to a page full of Chinese text (no pictures, just a cartoon-y logo of some sort). I didn't click on anything but did reload numerous times, after having switched off and then back on and re-typed the address manually - but it kept doing it. It's like the URL (which was the normal one and didn't change) had been hijacked. But only on the iPad. Weird. |
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23 Jun 13 - 07:12 AM (#3529326) Subject: RE: Tech: Mudcat acting differently in Firefox? From: kendall I'm glad to see it's not just me. |
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23 Jun 13 - 07:39 AM (#3529331) Subject: RE: Tech: Mudcat acting differently in Firefox? From: Bonnie Shaljean I checked the iPad again just now (9 or 10 hours later) - still getting hi-jacked to that weird Chinese-looking thing, tho it may only be a translation page. But it seems to be laid out in boxes rather then lists of titles. Lots of blue text, just like Mudcat in English and no pix. I don't know WHAT it is! |
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23 Jun 13 - 08:34 AM (#3529345) Subject: RE: Tech: Mudcat acting differently in Firefox? From: Dave Hanson I'm on the latest version of Firefox, and the back button now takes me back to the top of the page instead of where I was before. It's not a problem, just feckin irritating. Dave H |
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23 Jun 13 - 08:46 AM (#3529350) Subject: RE: Tech: Mudcat acting differently in Firefox? From: Dave the Gnome Ditto to Dave H, above. Sorry all - It is Firefox 21. I don't mind being laughed at so here goes - 5 was the version on the example and I had lost the actual version behind the help screen :-) Hehehe. Cheers Dave |
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23 Jun 13 - 09:28 AM (#3529367) Subject: RE: Tech: Mudcat acting differently in Firefox? From: G-Force I'm having the same problem (in Firefox). Haven't tried IE, because I rarely open it. Is an administrator listening ?????? |
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23 Jun 13 - 10:31 AM (#3529375) Subject: RE: Tech: Mudcat acting differently in Firefox? From: Newport Boy I have the same behaviour in Iceweasel 19 (Debian version of Firefox). Phil |
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23 Jun 13 - 12:23 PM (#3529398) Subject: RE: Tech: Mudcat acting differently in Firefox? From: Stilly River Sage Testing. Post this in Firefox. Then hit back button. |
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23 Jun 13 - 12:25 PM (#3529399) Subject: RE: Tech: Mudcat acting differently in Firefox? From: Stilly River Sage I'm not sure if I reproduced what you have been seeing or not. I don't use firefox as much as I use Chrome, and I don't use IE much unless I'm logging on to pay bills. SRS |
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23 Jun 13 - 01:31 PM (#3529430) Subject: RE: Tech: Mudcat acting differently in Firefox? From: artbrooks Yeah, I'm getting the same effect (FF 21). |
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23 Jun 13 - 01:51 PM (#3529437) Subject: RE: Tech: Mudcat acting differently in Firefox? From: Newport Boy It's odd that this only happens in Firefox. The behaviour seems to be limted to the thread list - clicking 'Back' to other pages returns to the previous position. Phil |
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23 Jun 13 - 02:26 PM (#3529451) Subject: RE: Tech: Mudcat acting differently in Firefox? From: gnomad Now on a Linux machine, same Firefox result (though I find that the differing sequence I mentioned upthread is now no more, this one is also on FF 21.0) Still don't view it as a big problem, just an oddity. |
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23 Jun 13 - 02:54 PM (#3529467) Subject: RE: Tech: Mudcat acting differently in Firefox? From: GUEST Just updated to FF 21.0 The back arrow takes me to the beginning of the thread, showing the post list. Dave Oesterreich |
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23 Jun 13 - 03:08 PM (#3529472) Subject: RE: Tech: Mudcat acting differently in Firefox? From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Mine too. I liked the older way better, myself. How can we fix that? GfS |
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23 Jun 13 - 05:38 PM (#3529535) Subject: RE: Tech: Mudcat acting differently in Firefox? From: Newport Boy It's not only in Firefox. I just tried Konqueror (Linux KDE browser) with the same result. I don't have any other browsers to try. Even odder - with Iceweasel, the'Back' returns to the expected spot, then skips to the top. After it's done this, if I hit F5 (refresh) it does it again - brings up the refreshed page at the lower point, then skips to the top. It's an annoyance - no other web pages display this behaviour. Phil |
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23 Jun 13 - 06:48 PM (#3529555) Subject: RE: Tech: Mudcat acting differently in Firefox? From: Jim Dixon Lately I have acquired the habit, whenever I see a link I want to follow, I RIGHT-click on it and then select "Open link in new tab." I think there are some web sites (not Mudcat) that automatically refresh the page when you go back to it by using the "back" button, but not when you go back to it by switching tabs. It annoys me when this happens, because, as you said, it makes it hard to find the spot on the page where you left off reading. Opening a new tab solves this problem. |
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24 Jun 13 - 12:13 AM (#3529625) Subject: RE: Tech: Mudcat acting differently in Firefox? From: Ebbie I've been noticing the same behavior- but only for the last week or so. I laid it to my own machine; interesting that it's happening to us all. |
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24 Jun 13 - 07:07 AM (#3529723) Subject: RE: Tech: Mudcat acting differently in Firefox? From: kendall My kingdom for a cure! |
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24 Jun 13 - 07:11 AM (#3529727) Subject: RE: Tech: Mudcat acting differently in Firefox? From: Andrez The cure is a MacBook Pro and Safari :-) Cheers, Andre |
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24 Jun 13 - 07:13 AM (#3529728) Subject: RE: Tech: Mudcat acting differently in Firefox? From: Andrez But there is no cure for stupidity or for not being able to spell my own username! Cheers, Andrez |
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24 Jun 13 - 07:43 AM (#3529738) Subject: RE: Tech: Mudcat acting differently in Firefox? From: GUEST,gnomad on another PC Opera 12.15 seems to be behaving the old way, in case anybody is keeping score. |
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24 Jun 13 - 01:05 PM (#3529843) Subject: RE: Tech: Mudcat acting differently in Firefox? From: Stilly River Sage I'm seeing it in Chrome now. Bounces back to the top of the page, not to where you were. Minor inconvenience. Reminds us why Mudcat is here - for the music at the top of the page. :) SRS |
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25 Jun 13 - 10:01 AM (#3530182) Subject: RE: Tech: Mudcat acting differently in Firefox? From: G-Force Still doing it. Doesn't ANYBODY KNOW WHY ??? |
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06 Jul 13 - 02:02 PM (#3534437) Subject: RE: Tech: Mudcat acting differently in Firefox? From: G-Force Come back after being away caravanning for a week, and it's still doing it. Does anybody know, or care, why??? Or is it just progress, which usually means a change for the worse. ??? |
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06 Jul 13 - 02:12 PM (#3534441) Subject: RE: Tech: Mudcat acting differently in Firefox? From: Ebbie Someone (SRS?) mentioned that the fox in Firefox has changed. Seems most likely that the current oddity is related to the Firefox changes, nicht wahr? |
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06 Jul 13 - 03:52 PM (#3534466) Subject: RE: Tech: Mudcat acting differently in Firefox? From: Newport Boy No - it's not any change in Firefox. I'm using Iceweasel (Debian rebranded Firefox) version 19, installed on 19 May. This behaviour only started a month later and it also happens using Konqueror. It is Mudcat's front page that has changed, although it affects only some browsers. I've noted the following: 1. Back button to Mudcat - returns to where I left, then jumps to top of page. 2. F5 (after the last step) - returns to down page, then jumps to top. 3. Address mudcat.org/#BS - opens at BS, then jumps to top of page. I can find no other page on the web that does this (I haven't checked them all). It's a significant annoyance, and I no longer look at BS at all because of it. Phil |
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06 Jul 13 - 06:17 PM (#3534496) Subject: RE: Tech: Mudcat acting differently in Firefox? From: GUEST Mudcat has sold it's soul to Satan. What else can you expect? It is after all, your money, that has helped change Mudcat from the great site it was, to the shit site it is! |
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06 Jul 13 - 06:37 PM (#3534499) Subject: RE: Tech: Mudcat acting differently in Firefox? From: Jeri What baffles me, John, is why you're still here. |
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06 Jul 13 - 07:17 PM (#3534506) Subject: RE: Tech: Mudcat acting differently in Firefox? From: Jeri The weird behavior in Firefox doesn't happen on this machine, so it possibly has to do with something I have blocked. I just tried un-blocking a couple things and nothing changed, so I don't know what might be causing it. |
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07 Jul 13 - 06:07 AM (#3534623) Subject: RE: Tech: Mudcat acting differently in Firefox? From: Newport Boy More data - I decided to see what happened using my virtual XP install. Firefox 20, no add-ons - behaved as my post 6 July Firefox then auto-upgraded to v22 Firefox 22, no add-ons - behaved as my post 6 July Realised that IE was probably there somewhere - turned out to be IE8. I've never intentionally used this, although I suspect XP may have used it for upgrades, etc. IE8 - first try back button: 1. direct to top of front page. Dialog box wanting to install Simplified Chinese to display correctly! 2. Cancel dialog box 3. Jump to correct location after about 2 secs. Disabled character set dialog IE8 - direct to top front page (took 3 secs to load) then jump to correct location. The Mudcat front page coding is screwed. Phil |
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07 Jul 13 - 09:23 AM (#3534666) Subject: RE: Tech: Mudcat acting differently in Firefox? From: Newport Boy Yet more data. Installed Opera & Chrome in virtual XP. Opera - back button goes direct to top of front page mudcat.org/#BS goes to top, then down to BS, then after 1 sec, back to top Chrome - Back button goes direct to top mudcat.org/#BS goes correctly to BS F5 from BS goes to top of page. There's something non-standard in the coding to get this much variation in behaviour. Phil |
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07 Jul 13 - 03:09 PM (#3534775) Subject: RE: Tech: Mudcat acting differently in Firefox? From: Joe_F FWIW, I have read & written Mudcat for many years in a deviant browser called Conkeror, which piggybacks on Firefox 16.0, running under Windows XP 2002. Its main feature is that it allows you to avoid using the mouse by causing all the links on the screen to be numbered, so that you can "click" on them by typing the numbers. It behaved to my satisfaction until a few days ago. Since then, when I access the list of postings, the page is not "focused", so I have to hit ESC twice before it will respond to the keyboard. (It does still respond to the mouse, FWIW.) No other sites, and no other pages within the Mudcat, misbehave in that way. |
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09 Jul 13 - 09:22 AM (#3535436) Subject: RE: Tech: Mudcat acting differently in Firefox? From: Dave Hanson Firefox now seems to have reverted to the earlier version [ certainly on my PC ] and the problem no longer occurs. Dave H |
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09 Jul 13 - 06:26 PM (#3535658) Subject: RE: Tech: Mudcat acting differently in Firefox? From: Bizibod 'Twas jumping up to the top these last 10 days or so- up until this evening when everything is back to normal - hurrah ! |
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10 Jul 13 - 04:11 AM (#3535768) Subject: RE: Tech: Mudcat acting differently in Firefox? From: Bizibod Bah! Spoke too soon! Jumping like a flea again this morning... |
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10 Jul 13 - 02:53 PM (#3535978) Subject: RE: Tech: Mudcat acting differently in Firefox? From: r.padgett This is atest posting I have just installed firefox and lost a posting this am Ray |
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10 Jul 13 - 02:56 PM (#3535979) Subject: RE: Tech: Mudcat acting differently in Firefox? From: Don(Wyziwyg)T I'm on V 21 and getting the same irritating glitch. Don T. |
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14 Jul 13 - 08:42 AM (#3537242) Subject: RE: Tech: Mudcat acting differently in Firefox? From: Newport Boy I can't see a connection, but I blocked 2345, etc earlier and now the back button works as it should do. Phil |
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14 Jul 13 - 11:08 AM (#3537287) Subject: RE: Tech: Mudcat acting differently in Firefox? From: GUEST Sounds like it's a double-bug, the Fox stalking the Cat. Looking up the FFX 21 changes, I see they've changed the DOM definition of window.location to add a new .origin property. If MC uses this as a default it could have the effect described. |
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15 Jul 13 - 06:53 AM (#3537573) Subject: RE: Tech: Mudcat acting differently in Firefox? From: Newport Boy Well - it looks like the changes to the page coding to include the 2345, etc calls are also the cause of the aberrant behaviour. This version of FF (19) on which I have blocked the 2345 addresses works correctly. FF22 on XP and all my other browsers, on which I've not blocked the addresses behave wrongly. That's as I find it, anyway. Phil |
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17 Jul 13 - 05:49 AM (#3538385) Subject: RE: Tech: Mudcat acting differently in Firefox? From: G-Force Hooray, suddenly it seems to be working OK again. I usually reckon that if you wait long enough, most problems just go away, but I guess somebody somewhere has managed to fix something. |
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17 Jul 13 - 05:21 PM (#3538650) Subject: RE: Tech: Mudcat acting differently in Firefox? From: Joe_F I am happy to say that upgrading my XULRunner solved my problem. Probably not anybody else's. %^) |
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26 Jul 13 - 05:27 AM (#3541883) Subject: RE: Tech: Mudcat acting differently in Firefox? From: GUEST Aaaaarrrggghhh!!!! Spoke too soon. Now it's jumping to the bottom of the list. |
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26 Jul 13 - 06:40 AM (#3541904) Subject: RE: Tech: Mudcat acting differently in Firefox? From: Dave Hanson It's not doing it with Internet Explorer. Dave H |
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26 Jul 13 - 06:56 AM (#3541908) Subject: RE: Tech: Mudcat acting differently in Firefox? From: Tootler Quote GUEST 26 Jul 13 - 05:27 AM: "Aaaaarrrggghhh!!!! Spoke too soon. Now it's jumping to the bottom of the list." All of a sudden, I am getting the same thing happening with Safari in iPad |
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26 Jul 13 - 07:06 AM (#3541912) Subject: RE: Tech: Mudcat acting differently in Firefox? From: G-Force GUEST at 5.27 a.m. was me. Didn't notice my login had loggedout. But it's still doing it. Isn't life funny? |
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26 Jul 13 - 03:38 PM (#3542122) Subject: RE: Tech: Mudcat acting differently in Firefox? From: JHW After returning to the thread list using Home it goes initially to the top with the headlines and Mudcat title but without me doing anything it then leap scrolls to the bottom of the page below the BS (using Firefox 22) |
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26 Jul 13 - 03:39 PM (#3542123) Subject: RE: Tech: Mudcat acting differently in Firefox? From: JHW And has done the same after making that last post |
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26 Jul 13 - 05:58 PM (#3542177) Subject: RE: Tech: Mudcat acting differently in Firefox? From: Gurney Jumping back to bottom. Firefox, XP. |
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27 Jul 13 - 03:18 AM (#3542288) Subject: RE: Tech: Mudcat acting differently in Firefox? From: Tootler Same here. Safari, iPad which is where I mostly read muscat these days. I also have Firefox in Linux & a Samsung tablet where I am using the default browser. I will have to check those later when I get home |
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27 Jul 13 - 03:24 AM (#3542290) Subject: RE: Tech: Mudcat acting differently in Firefox? From: Monique Same as Gurney here. |
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27 Jul 13 - 04:32 PM (#3542465) Subject: RE: Tech: Mudcat acting differently in Firefox? From: Tootler Also for me Firefox v22 in Linux Mint and the default browser in my Samsung Galaxy Android tablet. This suggests to me that the problem is not specific to Firefox. |
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27 Jul 13 - 05:05 PM (#3542476) Subject: RE: Tech: Mudcat acting differently in Firefox? From: Kampervan Same for me. using GoogleChrome in Vista, it jumps to the bottom. Very annoying. |
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28 Jul 13 - 10:16 AM (#3542699) Subject: RE: Tech: Mudcat acting differently in Firefox? From: SteveMansfield Me, er, several-th - on Chrome both on Windows 8 and on iPad. Most inconvenient. |
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28 Jul 13 - 10:35 AM (#3542707) Subject: RE: Tech: Mudcat acting differently in Firefox? From: Sir Roger de Beverley I din't have the problem when it was first raised but I have now - using firefox. However, I have just run a slew of MS updates - could this have something to do with it? R |
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28 Jul 13 - 11:46 AM (#3542733) Subject: RE: Tech: Mudcat acting differently in Firefox? From: Ebbie Two days ago, mine too started jumping to the bottom. Not a big problem but curiouser and curiouser. |
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28 Jul 13 - 03:20 PM (#3542808) Subject: RE: Tech: Mudcat acting differently in Firefox? From: GUEST I use Google Chrome. It goes to the bottom of the page. Has done since last week. Don't know why. |
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28 Jul 13 - 05:13 PM (#3542854) Subject: RE: Tech: Mudcat acting differently in Firefox? From: Newport Boy I had the original problem, but Mudcat acts as it should at the moment. Using Iceweasel (Firefox clone) on Linux. Phil |
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29 Jul 13 - 04:26 PM (#3543263) Subject: RE: Tech: Mudcat acting differently in Firefox? From: JHW Sorry to bother you all but I can't find where in Firefox I go to take out cookies. Surely I used to go into Tools then Options but I can't find it now? When this scroll leap thing happens there are heaven knows what addresses whizzing by at the bottom of the screen and as a long shot I was going to weed out unknown cookies. |
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29 Jul 13 - 04:42 PM (#3543266) Subject: RE: Tech: Mudcat acting differently in Firefox? From: JHW Found it. Used to be a Button said Show Cookies but now there's a less obvious text link Didn't make any difference |
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29 Jul 13 - 09:40 PM (#3543369) Subject: RE: Tech: Mudcat acting differently in Firefox? From: Joe_F I, too, spoke too soon. The pest came back again. |
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29 Jul 13 - 09:46 PM (#3543373) Subject: RE: Tech: Mudcat acting differently in Firefox? From: Rapparee I, too, am falling to the bottom using Firefox 22. |
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30 Jul 13 - 04:14 AM (#3543442) Subject: RE: Tech: Mudcat acting differently in Firefox? From: Dave the Gnome It now jumps to the bottom with me too. Is it a Firefox thing or has the code been altered here? Cheers DtG |
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30 Jul 13 - 05:01 AM (#3543452) Subject: RE: Tech: Mudcat acting differently in Firefox? From: GUEST It's not just Firefox. Does it with Google Chrome too. |
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30 Jul 13 - 05:02 AM (#3543454) Subject: RE: Tech: Mudcat acting differently in Firefox? From: Dave Hanson It works fine with Internet Explorer. Dave H |
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30 Jul 13 - 12:34 PM (#3543610) Subject: RE: Tech: Mudcat acting differently in Firefox? From: Mr Red FF 22.0 here Not noticed much, but Lyrics & Knowledge seems to open at the bottom instead of the top. |
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30 Jul 13 - 12:38 PM (#3543613) Subject: RE: Tech: Mudcat acting differently in Firefox? From: Mr Red correction, it opens at the top but scrolls immediately to the bottom. |
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31 Jul 13 - 06:47 PM (#3544096) Subject: RE: Tech: Mudcat acting differently in Firefox? From: DrugCrazed I'm getting that as well. I thought I was just crazy. |
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31 Jul 13 - 07:10 PM (#3544100) Subject: RE: Tech: Mudcat acting differently in Firefox? From: DrugCrazed Worth adding that I get this when I go to the main page no matter what. |
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31 Jul 13 - 07:44 PM (#3544112) Subject: RE: Tech: Mudcat acting differently in Firefox? From: Stewart this happens to me (scrolls to the bottom) also both on Firefox 22 and Chrome but not on Internet Explorer I am using Windows 7 on Chrome the black bar at the top "support mudcat by shopping at Amazon" appears but that does not appear on Firefox or Internet Explorer is that somehow involved in this strange behavior?? It makes going through the posts somewhat tedious, annoying S. in Seattle |
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01 Aug 13 - 05:36 PM (#3544397) Subject: RE: Tech: Mudcat acting differently in Firefox? From: GUEST,Kampervan The bottom is where the big advert is. Is this significant? K/van |
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01 Aug 13 - 07:03 PM (#3544424) Subject: RE: Tech: Mudcat acting differently in Firefox? From: John J Jumps to the bottom of the page for me running Firefox under windoze XP and also Linux (Ubuntu). JJ |
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02 Aug 13 - 06:29 AM (#3544588) Subject: RE: Tech: Mudcat acting differently in Firefox? From: Newport Boy I'm currently having no problem in Iceweasel v19 (Firefox clone). Phil |
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02 Aug 13 - 07:35 PM (#3544872) Subject: RE: Tech: Mudcat acting differently in Firefox? From: GUEST Laptop was running a little slow today. Mudcat hung while waiting for www.2345.com Only after that did it scroll to the bottom of the page. |
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03 Aug 13 - 01:46 PM (#3545156) Subject: RE: Tech: Mudcat acting differently in Firefox? From: G-Force Well done that man! It seems to be back to normal now (Windows 7, Firefox). |