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06 Aug 13 - 03:19 PM (#3546243) Subject: Obit: The LATE Dave Bulmer From: pavane Seems to be true, in case anyone missed it. |
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07 Aug 13 - 04:56 AM (#3546457) Subject: RE: Obit: The LATE Dave Bulmer From: GUEST,Paul Heath. Seems nobody can think of anything nice to say about him. |
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07 Aug 13 - 05:46 AM (#3546466) Subject: RE: Obit: The LATE Dave Bulmer From: GUEST,Iain G He was a superb Accordionist and I always got on very well with him My thoughts are with his family |
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07 Aug 13 - 06:05 AM (#3546471) Subject: RE: Obit: The LATE Dave Bulmer From: GUEST,Ralphie Ian G. He might have been a good musician (Never saw him) But as a businessman he wasn't that good. It would be nice to see all the tapes returned to the original artists (Well, the ones who are still alive would be nice) Mind you, How many of the original tapes are still playable? |
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07 Aug 13 - 07:22 AM (#3546497) Subject: RE: Obit: The LATE Dave Bulmer From: GUEST,IainG Ralphie I'm not going to enter into that debate, it has been going on for a very long time |
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07 Aug 13 - 07:51 AM (#3546506) Subject: RE: Obit: The LATE Dave Bulmer From: GUEST,Danny. I don't think Bulmer will be remembered for his accordian playing, but rather for the damage he did to his fellow musicians, the debate has indeed gone on for a long time, and I suspect will continue to do so untill there is a fair resolution to the situation. |
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07 Aug 13 - 08:11 AM (#3546509) Subject: RE: Obit: The LATE Dave Bulmer From: GUEST,kenny Dave Bulmer used to come to Scotland to play at festivals in the 1970s, and played at Aberdeen Folk club on several occasions with John Doonan. He was one of the few piano-accordion players I ever had any time for, and was a good fiddle player too. I played tunes with him in those days, and enjoyed both his musicianship and company. My condolences to his family. |
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07 Aug 13 - 08:23 AM (#3546511) Subject: RE: Obit: The LATE Dave Bulmer From: The Sandman I agree with Ralphie. furthermore, I would not care personally about any money, his relatives have in their possession a recording of the new mexborough concertina quartet,that has been suppressed for more than 20 years. Dick Miles |
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07 Aug 13 - 08:30 AM (#3546517) Subject: RE: Obit: The LATE Dave Bulmer From: Johnny J Surely we can allow his family and friends a few days to mourn his passing and, by all means, deal with the other matters thereafter? I knew the man only very superficially having bumped into him at festivals etc over the years. He was an excellent musician and accordion player and pleasant enough to me on the surface. Also, there was a time when he contributed much to the traditional music scene. Although I had heard and read many unfavourable comments about him over the years, I still treated him as I found him on the infrequent occasions we met. I would also like to offer my condolences to Dave's family and friends which must be a sad time for them. |
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07 Aug 13 - 08:31 AM (#3546518) Subject: RE: Obit: The LATE Dave Bulmer From: Richard Bridge Well, executors and administrators have a duty to "get in" ie realise the estate so one infers that such rights as Bulmer pay PERSONALLY have had, insofar as not divested by operation of law eg those under contracts of personal confidence, ought to be offered for sale. The rights vested in COMPANIES however are treated differently. A company exists until it is would up or struck off. But if Bulmer held shares then the shares might be put on the market, and if the companies are liquidated then the rights themselves may be put on the market. |
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08 Aug 13 - 06:30 PM (#3547080) Subject: RE: Obit: The LATE Dave Bulmer (August 2013) From: GUEST,Guest Dyslexic finger. Does anyone have any details of when the funeral will be and where? |
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08 Aug 13 - 07:28 PM (#3547094) Subject: RE: Obit: The LATE Dave Bulmer (August 2013) From: GUEST,Guest I have twice tried to ask a question of a poster and although the posting was immediately available it has since disappeared. Why is this? You were needlessly rude and provocative. You received the answer about the funeral. If you want to be taken seriously, then either join the group or choose a guest moniker and use it consistently so we know who we are talking to. ----mudelf |
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09 Aug 13 - 03:47 PM (#3547344) Subject: RE: Obit: The LATE Dave Bulmer (August 2013) From: GUEST,jim bainbridge I knew Dave Bulmer from when he was a pupil at South Shields High School in th sixties, and helped run the school folk club which often featured the guest(s) who were booked at the nearby Marsden Inn club(the Spinners being one of these groups). I have met him from time to time over the intervening years, and while I would hardly call him a friend, I had no problem on a personal level, and I do recall his longterm music partnership with the great John Doonan, who certainly respected his musicianship. I have been aware for years that aspects of his 'business' found no favour with many people I respect, so presume there is some substance to what I hear.... There are some parallels with Peter Kennedy, whose business behaviour was also doubtful, although he DID record material which would otherwise have been lost- that man surely deserves some credit for that? Dave was no collector, but had amassed a vast amount of of material in his stores, and whatever motives provoked the allegations made by so many people, this collection is now in one place, and at some stage will, we all hope, become widely available- issue of such items will probably still be a 'business' decision, whoever takes it on. Incidentally, isn't it sad that traditional music has now become no more than a business for so many others, quite apart from the two who are the current object of vilification? It may be that some time in the future, folk music students will be grateful for the activities of both of these people, so their longterm contribution to the tradition may well be viewed more positively in the future. At the moment, my thoughts are with his wife Ruth and his family, and I do feel that a little respect is due at this time- arguments about his doubtful business behaviour can surely wait a little while? someone asked about the funeral- details are.... I am advised by a good friend that the funeral is to be at Stonefall Crematorium Wetherby Road HARROGATE HG3 1DE on 16 August at 3pm I won't be there, but many will |
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09 Aug 13 - 06:35 PM (#3547387) Subject: RE: Obit: The LATE Dave Bulmer (August 2013) From: GloriaJ I will be there,I hope.I knew the details of the funeral but I wasnt sure about revealing them here - anyway, Jim has done that,and yes, the time and venue are correct.I knew Dave very well for a number of years - was in a band with him - although we had not been in contact for a long time. It was a complex relationship,let's say, but I'm sorry I wasnt able to get to see him more recently.No doubt his business approach was sometimes questionable(and he tripped me up a few times) and he could be abrupt and abrasive, and wasnt inclined to flattery. As some of us know, a touring band develops some strange dynamics - closer than a family in some ways, and even more ruthless. Dave's domineering personality frequently led to him being a bit of an outsider but he was probably too robust a character to bother about whether people liked him or not - even in his own band! He often got my back up - maybe because he didnt stoop to flatter my ego, and I often felt we were in conflict. However, I did find out,on more than one occasion, that in my absence, he stood up for me - to the extent of once rolling around swapping fisticuffs on a German pavement.He never told me this - someone else did. He recorded a couple of my albums years ago (never paid me any royalties of course) and tied me down in a contract I soon came to regret.But that's all in the past now, and is of no consequence.We also had some good rumbustuous times. I hope his wife Ruth, a very nice lady, doesnt have to cope with any abusiveness.I'll miss him anyway, and plenty of others will too.I've been told the funeral is to be a musical celebration. |
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09 Aug 13 - 06:49 PM (#3547392) Subject: RE: Obit: The LATE Dave Bulmer (August 2013) From: GUEST,Guest Thanks Jim for the details and also Gloria for the confirmation. Hope to be there to pay respects and support Ruth. |
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10 Aug 13 - 05:53 PM (#3547695) Subject: RE: Obit: The LATE Dave Bulmer (August 2013) From: Tyke Well said GloriaJ Stonefall Crematorium Wetherby Road HARROGATE HG3 1DE on 16 August at 3pm Hope to be there to pay respects and support Ruth. |
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12 Aug 13 - 03:26 PM (#3548262) Subject: RE: Obit: The LATE Dave Bulmer (August 2013) From: GUEST,Gerry Brownridge. I remember Dave from way back in the late '70's when I used to attend an Irish music session at the old Roscoe pub in Sheepscar, Leeds. I was a complete novice at the time, but Dave always had time for me and a pint was always on the table when I walked in and encouragement given when I was trying to learn a few Irish tunes. Turn the clock on 20 odd years and I was doing the "Irish theme pub" circuit. Whenever I was booked at Scruffy Murphy's in Harrogate, Dave would often turn up with his accordion and do the last set with me. He was a great guy, superb musician, and will be sadly missed. My deepest condolences to his wife Ruth and family. God bless. |
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12 Aug 13 - 06:53 PM (#3548325) Subject: RE: Obit: The LATE Dave Bulmer (August 2013) From: Tyke The truth is that I have never met Daves Wife Ruth however everyone that I have spooken too has told me what Lovly person she is now when I meet her for the first time it will be at the Celibration of Dave's life. |
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13 Aug 13 - 12:55 PM (#3548640) Subject: RE: Obit: The LATE Dave Bulmer (August 2013) From: GUEST I was a friend of Dave's at Leeds. We did the same course and enjoyed the same music with Tony Wilson, Tom Napper and Bob tracey. All my memories are good. I last saw him at Redcar Festival with Ruth and remember him fondly. He was a fabulous musician and remember him falling over drunk without missing a note on that enormous accordion. I know people have other experiences but this was mine. RIP Dave and best wishes to Ruth |
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14 Aug 13 - 04:15 AM (#3548845) Subject: RE: Obit: The LATE Dave Bulmer (August 2013) From: Tyke Well said GUEST. |
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14 Aug 13 - 05:15 AM (#3548863) Subject: RE: Obit: The LATE Dave Bulmer (August 2013) From: GUEST,JAM Dave was extremely kind and supportive when my partner and I needed help and advice. Can only comment about our experience and will always be grateful for the help and advice given by Dave and Ruth's hospitality during a difficult period in our life. |
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25 Aug 13 - 09:25 PM (#3552833) Subject: RE: Obit: The LATE Dave Bulmer (August 2013) From: GUEST,Melissa Javors This message is for Ruth, Jamie, and Calllum. I loved your dad because he was such a distinct individualist. He believed in everything he stood for. I received a phone message from one of you boys, but the volume was very low. My phone is not set up to make international calls, but I will try to do this very soon. I'm so very sorry to hear of his passing.-love, Melissa |
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02 Oct 13 - 06:46 AM (#3563547) Subject: RE: Obit: The LATE Dave Bulmer (August 2013) From: GUEST,ex employee I used to work for Dave, but got fed up with never getting paid on time. He knew a good business deal, but didn't really care for people imo. Deliberately NOT getting letter back to bank on time, thus an employee misses out on a mortgage - that's the Dave Bulmer I knew! He was a wonderful accordionist though!! I feel Ruth will be left to deal with a lot of crap, but nice as Ruth is, she knew Dave! She knew! |
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20 Oct 13 - 02:48 PM (#3568578) Subject: RE: Obit: The LATE Dave Bulmer (August 2013) From: GUEST,exemployee She knew |
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22 Oct 13 - 10:06 AM (#3568860) Subject: RE: Obit: The LATE Dave Bulmer (August 2013) From: GUEST Pete Fawcett. I get around and so did Dave. I would meet him anywhere there was Irish music.He was unconventional. I met him at a Fleadh in Listowel County Kerry.I asked him which Hotel he was staying at. He replied, he wasn't in any, he was sleeping in the car! I knew Dave Bulmer for 40 years and like others I took him as i found him.I never had a bad word from him or with him. He always made his way to speak to me and was no snob. Which is more than I can say for a few others. |
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22 Oct 13 - 10:24 AM (#3568869) Subject: RE: Obit: The LATE Dave Bulmer (August 2013) From: Dave Hanson Gutless anonymous guest, I'm guessing Bulmer didn't cheat you then ? Dave H |
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22 Oct 13 - 10:57 AM (#3568877) Subject: RE: Obit: The LATE Dave Bulmer (August 2013) From: selby It interesting that it is now close to 3 months, that Mr Bulmer left this mortal toil. Given the amount of discussions and feeling in lots of quarters, regards his archive of material. There is no statements rumours etc that we know of, to indicate what his heirs may or not do with the material. Is there cause for concern? Keith |
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22 Oct 13 - 12:15 PM (#3568887) Subject: RE: Obit: The LATE Dave Bulmer (August 2013) From: GUEST,Peter My experience is that it takes three to four months just to get a grant of probate. There isn't a lot that the executors can do until then.That's assuming that he actually made a will of course. |
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28 Oct 13 - 02:57 PM (#3570823) Subject: RE: Obit: The LATE Dave Bulmer (August 2013) From: GUEST,Gutless >>Gutless anonymous guest, I'm guessing Bulmer didn't cheat you then ? Has a message been deleted ... or were you talking to Pete Fawcett, who is pretty well known, and known to be a gentleman? |
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24 Mar 18 - 01:52 PM (#3912956) Subject: RE: Obit: The LATE Dave Bulmer (August 2013) From: Joe Offer Maybe it would be appropriate to post an obituary. This is from The Living Tradition, http://www.livingtradition.co.uk/node/1230 Dave Bulmer – died Aug 2, 2013, aged 62 yearsDave Bulmer came from South Shields, Tyneside and spent much of his adult life in Yorkshire. His interests in folk music go back to the 1960s when he was a pupil at South Shields High School and helped run the school folk club, although he played the accordion since the age of seven. The school club often featured the guests who were booked at the nearby Marsden Inn folk club, so as a teenager he would have seen some of the best musicians around at the time. His personal development as a musician followed that of the typical folkie, but he probably dug a bit deeper than most. He was among the early group of enthusiasts who travelled to Ireland to attend various Fleadhs and there he met and made friends with some influential musicians. Dave was at home in a session environment and throughout all his working life he still played regularly in his local pub. He also played for traditional dances, mainly in the North of England and together with John Doonan played in folk clubs throughout the UK. In those early days of interest in Irish music from people in the folk clubs and festivals, Dave was often asked if he had music for the tunes he was playing, as not much was available at that time. Initially he would give people photocopies or handwritten copies of tunes, but soon these were assembled in a simple spiral bound format and published in four volumes under the title Music Of Ireland. These were extremely useful and accessible sources of tunes for many players in Britain and Ireland at a time when you had to hunt out Irish tune books in obscure editions in hard to find outlets. They were a labour of love which made it possible for many to share the ‘latest tunes’ in sessions far and wide. Now that we have professionally produced books, easily available at the click of a mouse, it is easy to overlook this pioneering work which helped open up the music to a wider playing audience. Dave ‘distributed’ these books as he travelled and was reaching an audience newly interested in traditional music. At that time there was little in the way of formal ‘distribution’ for folk music. Concurrently, Bill Leader was enthusiastically recording traditional musicians, particularly with his ‘grey label’ Leader series, but had few options to reach that specialist audience. He asked Dave if he would also take around some of his LPs on his travels. Dave then effectively became the first distributor for Leader / Trailer and this would lead later to him establishing C M Distribution. The music business at that time was very much London focussed. Dave believed strongly that the ‘centre of gravity’ of folk music was in the north and that the business side should also be in the hands of musicians rather than business people in the wider music industry. His success in distribution brought competitors and Dave’s passion probably contributed to his view that it was ‘him against the rest’. His business methods have been the subject of controversy, much of it ill informed, some probably justified. He did it ‘his way’, but to be fair to him, he did it. His passion showed again when he bought the rights to the Leader / Trailer catalogue from the liquidator after the label Bill Leader created, with similar passion, had gone bust. Going bust has been the story of most small record labels, but the prominence of Leader / Trailer in the folk world, a big fish in a small pond, attracted criticism from others who took a different view of the material to Dave Bulmer. The label was close to Dave’s heart, not necessarily for the ‘folk stars’ who were on the label, but rather for the recordings of people like Martin Byrnes and other ‘masters of Irish Music’ who were very much in Dave’s blood. Dave saw himself as the saviour of those more obscure releases, material that might have been lost if the label had been cherry picked by more commercial operators. Some others saw the situation differently and much has been said about Dave over the years - you will not need to look too far to find criticism of some of his business dealings. But it would be unfair to focus only on Dave’s detractors and we shouldn’t underestimate those who had no direct issues with him. While he could be at times abrupt and abrasive, he would often stand up for the people and things he believed in – music being one of the most paramount for him. He didn’t attempt to flatter anyone’s ego. He said things bluntly, as he saw them, and in response to, “Why hasn’t my album sold lots of copies, surely it must be down to your lack of promotion?” he is likely to have answered, “Maybe it isn’t as good as you think it is.” Many people respected his musicianship and enjoyed his company. He mixed with the main players of the music business, taking folk music to international trade fairs such as MIDEM. Although he moved easily in business circles, he was probably one of the few record company executives who were actively playing music. Ronnie Simpson from Lismor Records who knew him at that time said: “He was not always the most popular folkie at the festival, but he was passionate and knew his stuff and fought for the rights in folk music. He would wear his usual denims, sweater etc. and carry his box around too for any impromptu sessions. He is a very difficult man to debate or discuss. I do believe he had the music at heart but equally he thought that ‘he was that heart and his way was the right and only way.’” My reading of the situation is that Dave dug in his heels in the face of attack and continued to do what he genuinely believed was the right thing. If you look through any LP collection of folk music, you may be surprised at how many of these were distributed by C M Distribution. He did a job that was needed at the time. Dave Bulmer was in many ways a modest man. He had experience of the star driven commercial music scene, but his interest was in community music making and he didn’t see publicity and hype as being necessarily in the interests of the tradition. On a musical note, the first release on the Celtic Music label was of a group called Iona. You had to read deep into the sleeve notes to discover that the band’s members were Dave Bulmer, George Ormiston, Tony Wilson and Gordon Tyrrell. He didn’t hype the release and I suspect not many people have a copy. Publicity wasn’t his style; his first love was the music. It probably isn’t widely known that Dave Bulmer also acquired the rights to material from a number of small record labels who had recorded other aspects of British culture including various recordings of Brass Bands. Dave wasn’t a collector in the sense of a Cecil Sharp or a Peter Kennedy, but he had amassed a vast amount of material in his stores. Whatever his motives, this collection does include material which might otherwise have been lost. Let us hope that at some stage in the future it will become widely available and that future generations will be able to listen to it and be grateful for the contribution Dave has made. Our thoughts are with his wife Ruth and his family. Pete Heywood |
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25 Jul 18 - 12:54 PM (#3939410) Subject: RE: 2013 Obit: Dave Bulmer (Age 62) From: GUEST,Steve Any recent news on the Bulmer situation |
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25 Jul 18 - 01:40 PM (#3939426) Subject: RE: 2013 Obit: Dave Bulmer (Age 62) From: GUEST I believe he is still dead. |
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26 Jul 18 - 05:09 AM (#3939549) Subject: RE: 2013 Obit: Dave Bulmer (Age 62) From: GUEST,Peter In that case, any news of the situation regarding the estate of the late David Bulmer? |
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20 Feb 22 - 09:47 AM (#4137289) Subject: RE: 2013 Obit: Dave Bulmer (Age 62) From: GUEST,Rupert Bear I've just been reading the brilliant Vin Garbutt's book "all the Very Best" and DB owns a lot of his stuff as well--RIP Vin and I hope Pat gets your stuff back ! |
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20 Feb 22 - 03:38 PM (#4137310) Subject: RE: 2013 Obit: Dave Bulmer (Age 62) From: The Sandman Life is short, it is imo a good idea to treat people with respect, as you would want to be treated your self. Dave Bulmer lost his way |
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21 Feb 22 - 05:11 AM (#4137369) Subject: RE: 2013 Obit: Dave Bulmer (Age 62) From: GUEST but what's happened to the material over 8 years?- time to ask |
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21 Feb 22 - 05:36 AM (#4137371) Subject: RE: 2013 Obit: Dave Bulmer (Age 62) From: Steve Shaw The evil that men do lives after them. In this case, quite right too. |
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21 Feb 22 - 08:31 AM (#4137377) Subject: RE: 2013 Obit: Dave Bulmer (Age 62) From: GUEST but where is the material? a deafening silence- all that great work by Bill Leader etc in a warehouse or a 'cloud' somewhere- the silence is not good enough |
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21 Feb 22 - 08:33 PM (#4137437) Subject: RE: 2013 Obit: Dave Bulmer (Age 62) From: Malcolm Storey Where is the material the guest asks. If it is in a skip then the people responsible are the decriers on this and other threads. The family lost a relatively young husband and father. They were immediately bombarded with impossible demands by people with absolutely nothing to contribute - the sort of people who slow down on a motorway to get a good view of the accident on the other carriageway. What they needed was compassion and genuine offers of help. |
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22 Feb 22 - 12:31 PM (#4137474) Subject: RE: 2013 Obit: Dave Bulmer (Age 62) From: Steve Shaw That comment comes many years after his death, Malcolm. Looking at the thread so far, I'd say that it's fairly remarkable how restrained the response to the news of his death has been here, and there are plenty of kind words for his family. But after seven or eight more years of silence about his hoard of "lost" material I think it's OK to raise the question again. Hardly impossible demands, but maybe useless ones if past silences are anything to go by. |
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22 Feb 22 - 12:42 PM (#4137476) Subject: RE: 2013 Obit: Dave Bulmer (Age 62) From: GUEST There was 'bombardment' of Bulmer for many years before his death, but to no avail- he ignored everybody. It is now 8 years and there is no word of this irreplaceable archive! I'm sure there was much sympathy at the time and it is nothing to do with 'contributions' from other people- it is down to the family or whoever inherited the material not to continue the ghastly attitudes of the past. Your contribution ignores the real hurt done to many artists , and if it is all in a skip it is the responsibility of pillocks like Malcolm Storey |
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22 Feb 22 - 01:02 PM (#4137480) Subject: RE: 2013 Obit: Dave Bulmer (Age 62) From: GUEST,Keith Price 'Guest' my name is Keith Price. If you're going to slag anyone off on here( I suggest you don't ) at least have the decency to put your name on it. Just a thought. |
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22 Feb 22 - 05:30 PM (#4137507) Subject: RE: 2013 Obit: Dave Bulmer (Age 62) From: Malcolm Storey Guest Suggest reading the obit by Pete Heywood posted above by Joe Offer. I knew the man personally - did you? |
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22 Feb 22 - 07:59 PM (#4137521) Subject: RE: 2013 Obit: Dave Bulmer (Age 62) From: The Sandman Malcolm, I recorded an lp as a member of The New Mexborough Concertina Quartet, This recording was subsequently Acquired by Dave Bulmer, it has never seen the light of day since. I do not care whether you knew him personally, that does not alter my opinion of his business dealings and the suppression of my musical work. you are out of order |
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22 Feb 22 - 09:23 PM (#4137525) Subject: RE: 2013 Obit: Dave Bulmer (Age 62) From: Malcolm Storey Dick I don't want to fall out with you personally and certainly not on a public platform. I am sure we have enough respect for each other to continue this in private. I would prefer not to place my email address here (you have probably already got it) but if you do not have it Mike Wilson has. |
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23 Feb 22 - 03:46 AM (#4137542) Subject: RE: 2013 Obit: Dave Bulmer (Age 62) From: The Sandman I am a christian, and I try and live my life by christian and humanitarian principles.Malcolm ,I am not going to fall out with you, but I am allowed in a DEMOCRACY THE RIGHT TO GIVE AN OPINION Capitalism encourages people to exploit others, I do not approve business dealings that suppress folk music, SO MANY ORGANISERS including your good self, have done their best to promote and encourage folk song, and making it available . suppressing the music, so that it is not available to music enthusiasts to listen to, is the antithesis of this. |
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23 Feb 22 - 03:48 AM (#4137544) Subject: RE: 2013 Obit: Dave Bulmer (Age 62) From: The Sandman I agree with Ralphie. furthermore, I would not care personally about any money, his relatives have in their possession a recording of the new mexborough concertina quartet,that has been suppressed for more than 20 years. Dick Miles |
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23 Feb 22 - 04:36 AM (#4137547) Subject: RE: 2013 Obit: Dave Bulmer (Age 62) From: The Sandman If it is in a skip then the people responsible are the decriers on this and other threads. quote malcolm storey. No, if it is in a skip which it probably is not, it would have been put there by the people who were in a possesSion of the recordiongs, THAT IS NOT ANYBODY WHO HAS CRITICISED HIM ON THIS THREAD. |
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23 Feb 22 - 05:02 AM (#4137549) Subject: RE: 2013 Obit: Dave Bulmer (Age 62) From: GUEST Malcolm Storey At this stage it is not a matter of anyone's opinion of Dave Bulmer's personality, business practices or musical ability. It is a matter of attempting recovery of a body of work which is ireplaceable before it is too late- it very likely is of course. You seem to blame people who have no responsibility for this? You appear to be an apologist for this situation as well as tolerating without anger the hurt done to the Sandman and many others. YES I did know the man, but my view of him is of no interest, the results of what he did certainly are. |
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23 Feb 22 - 05:14 AM (#4137551) Subject: RE: 2013 Obit: Dave Bulmer (Age 62) From: Steve Shaw The worst case scenario here could be that Bulmer persuaded those around him, the people who received the material after he died, that it was of little value and that there was little money to be made from it but a lot of hassle involved in putting it out. That might have been his own thinking as he sat on the material for all those years. So if the stuff still actually exists, whoever has it now might not be looking after it very well and it might be stuffed away somewhere, long-forgotten. It's been so long now that one might feel that it's permitted to feel gloomy about it. Anyone out there with pristine vinyl, keep looking after it! One day...? |
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23 Feb 22 - 02:40 PM (#4137606) Subject: RE: 2013 Obit: Dave Bulmer (Age 62) From: The Sandman We spent days and hours practising the material and rehearsing clsssical and brass band music [ the repertoire of the old concertina bands]. I had an appointment with Dave Bulmer once, he was uncooperative. So i can only talk about the results of his actions, which are negative and do nothing to further peoples love and enthusisam for music |
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23 Feb 22 - 04:44 PM (#4137615) Subject: RE: 2013 Obit: Dave Bulmer (Age 62) From: GUEST,CJB Its better than nothing, but a start could be to locate vinyl versions of material lost. For example A Song For Every Season 4 x disc set. Mine is pristine, never played. A digitisd version could be sold in CD format. Copyright? Publish and be damned - so long as the artists get their %age. If the Bulmer family still have the masters - and one must assume that they haven't - then vinyl is a solution. |
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23 Feb 22 - 04:57 PM (#4137618) Subject: RE: 2013 Obit: Dave Bulmer (Age 62) From: The Sandman not if it never came out on vinyl in the first place as the master tapes were suppresed |
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23 Feb 22 - 06:46 PM (#4137625) Subject: RE: 2013 Obit: Dave Bulmer (Age 62) From: Steve Shaw In Bulmer threads from the past, a number of people have said that they have pristine vinyl. In a future time, that could be far better than rotting stacks of tapes, who knows. They are potentially precious resources. But the legal eagles would be down like a ton of bricks...until the go-ahead is eventually given. Look after 'em... Somewhere I have a copy of a copy of a copy, on a C90 cassette, of the Noah's Ark Trap. The sheer beauty of the music easily trumps the awful sound quality. I've heard tracks from that album on YouTube that are of much better sound quality. I could live with that. But let's not advocate breaking the law. I'm not sure that the artists in question would appreciate that, and I'm sure I recall Ralphie saying the same thing years and years ago. |
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24 Feb 22 - 02:43 AM (#4137642) Subject: RE: 2013 Obit: Dave Bulmer (Age 62) From: The Sandman the best thing his relatives could do , to improve the folk worlds memory of Dave Bulmer, is release the suppressed recordings |
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24 Feb 22 - 05:19 AM (#4137652) Subject: RE: 2013 Obit: Dave Bulmer (Age 62) From: GUEST Who will pay for it ? |
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24 Feb 22 - 05:36 AM (#4137655) Subject: RE: 2013 Obit: Dave Bulmer (Age 62) From: graham_t I think it was his son (Calum?) who got the re-issue of Bright Phoebus blocked through legal action. This achieved nothing except to make the album unavailable again. Soon afterwards, he claimed that they intended to put out a series of albums, but of course that never happened. I don't think they even sell the CDRs of albums that they used to. Sadly, we are now at the stage where many of the artists involved have passed away and most of the groups have split up. This probably makes it very difficult to establish who has the rights to what. That is no excuse for allowing all those recording just to moulder away, somewhere. My guess is that they think that the effort required in re-issuing the material is much greater than the financial rewards would justify, but for some perverse reason, won't release it to someone who would be prepared to make the effort required. |
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24 Feb 22 - 03:51 PM (#4137712) Subject: RE: 2013 Obit: Dave Bulmer (Age 62) From: The Sandman I would be happy to pay for the cost of pressing of the recording i was part of, if the recordings were sent to me. Dick Miles |
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24 Feb 22 - 04:28 PM (#4137718) Subject: RE: 2013 Obit: Dave Bulmer (Age 62) From: GUEST Then could you not make a polite enquiry ? |
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25 Feb 22 - 12:58 AM (#4137754) Subject: RE: 2013 Obit: Dave Bulmer (Age 62) From: The Sandman They can approach me, I already contacted Dave Bulmer once, its their turn now. I am organising a festival trying to encourage and promote folk musuc, I am not trying to suppress it by hoarding other peoples work. Anonymous guest here is a polite suggestion mind your own business |
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25 Feb 22 - 05:31 AM (#4137765) Subject: RE: 2013 Obit: Dave Bulmer (Age 62) From: Howard Jones Bulmer's approach to the material in his possession mystifies me. It destroyed his reputation, and he can't have made much money from selling home-burned CDs on demand, especially as he made little effort to advertise them. Nobody can have benefited from this. It's very sad. He made a lot of people very upset and angry, and given the level of vitriol against him perhaps the family want nothing to do with the folk world. If so, that too is very sad. Perhaps in the days when publishing a recording required considerable up-front investment in manufacturing LPs or CDs Bulmer felt the financial risk might have been too great (although some of the material, including Bright Phoebus and the Nic Jones albums, could surely have been released profitably). However nowadays they can be published digitally at very little cost. If the family doesn't want to do it, I'm sure some record labels or the original artists would be interested. By allowing these to be released his family could at last reap some financial rewards and at the same time restore the family's reputation. Lost recordings, many of considerable artistic merit and historic importance, could be made available to a new audience. Win-win all round. What a wasted opportunity. |
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25 Feb 22 - 05:38 PM (#4137851) Subject: RE: 2013 Obit: Dave Bulmer (Age 62) From: Malcolm Storey You're perfectly right Howard - it's all very sad. It's probably all too late and any amount of fulminating on threads such as this will lead nowhere. Any suggestions for who might be able to approach the family would be useful. Anything else would be a waste of time. |
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25 Feb 22 - 05:52 PM (#4137853) Subject: RE: 2013 Obit: Dave Bulmer (Age 62) From: The Sandman anonymous guest, one suggestion might be to donate the recording of the new mexborough english concertina quartet to the the archives of the INTERHNATIONA CONCERTINA ASSOCIATION , That way no money is involved but concertina enthuisaSts can listen FREE. |
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25 Feb 22 - 06:08 PM (#4137854) Subject: RE: 2013 Obit: Dave Bulmer (Age 62) From: Malcolm Storey Who were or are the other three members of the quartet Dick? |
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26 Feb 22 - 04:22 PM (#4137877) Subject: RE: 2013 Obit: Dave Bulmer (Age 62) From: GUEST,anonymous Then why don't you suggest that to the Bulmers yourself, instead of constantly bitching about it here ? There's a second positive suggestion to you. |
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27 Feb 22 - 05:01 AM (#4137932) Subject: RE: 2013 Obit: Dave Bulmer (Age 62) From: The Sandman They can approach me, I already contacted Dave Bulmer once, its their turn now. I am organising a festival trying to encourage and promote folk musuc, I am not trying to suppress it by hoarding other peoples work. Anonymous guest here is a polite suggestion mind your own business |
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27 Feb 22 - 06:29 AM (#4137945) Subject: RE: 2013 Obit: Dave Bulmer (Age 62) From: GUEST Very happy to, when you please stop constantly bringing the subject up on a public discussion forum. "It is better to light a candle than curse the darkness" - think about it, but I think you'd far rather do the latter. |
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27 Feb 22 - 06:54 AM (#4137952) Subject: RE: 2013 Obit: Dave Bulmer (Age 62) From: The Sandman 1 I did not bring the subject up. 2 I have only stuck to facts, if the truth hurts you do something about it contact the ICA and donate the master tapes to them, instead of suppressing availabilty, if you are not in possession of the tapes, mind your own business, and stop trolling |
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27 Feb 22 - 07:12 AM (#4137954) Subject: RE: 2013 Obit: Dave Bulmer (Age 62) From: Raggytash You may not have brought the subject up Dick but you have posted to this thread on twelve occasions in the past 5 days. I doubt if the Bulmer family are aware that you contacted Dave some time ago (given that he passed on about 9 years ago) so it is unrealistic to suggest that they should contact you. Perhaps if you were to approach them they may release your recording. Certainly better than bitching about it on here. |
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27 Feb 22 - 07:20 AM (#4137956) Subject: RE: 2013 Obit: Dave Bulmer (Age 62) From: The Sandman Raggytash. Subject: RE: 2013 Obit: Dave Bulmer (Age 62) From: Howard Jones - PM Date: 25 Feb 22 - 05:31 AM Bulmer's approach to the material in his possession mystifies me. It destroyed his reputation, and he can't have made much money from selling home-burned CDs on demand, especially as he made little effort to advertise them. Nobody can have benefited from this. It's very sad. He made a lot of people very upset and angry, and given the level of vitriol against him perhaps the family want nothing to do with the folk world. If so, that too is very sad. Perhaps in the days when publishing a recording required considerable up-front investment in manufacturing LPs or CDs Bulmer felt the financial risk might have been too great (although some of the material, including Bright Phoebus and the Nic Jones albums, could surely have been released profitably). However nowadays they can be published digitally at very little cost. If the family doesn't want to do it, I'm sure some record labels or the original artists would be interested. By allowing these to be released his family could at last reap some financial rewards and at the same time restore the family's reputation. Lost recordings, many of considerable artistic merit and historic importance, could be made available to a new audience. Win-win all round. What a wasted opportunity. |
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27 Feb 22 - 09:16 AM (#4137958) Subject: RE: 2013 Obit: Dave Bulmer (Age 62) From: Malcolm Storey I'm still awaiting an answer Dick. An email would be friendlier. Or even a private message. |
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27 Feb 22 - 09:35 AM (#4137959) Subject: RE: 2013 Obit: Dave Bulmer (Age 62) From: Jeri It says something about the sort of people we have here at Mudcat currently, when they have to bitch about things in a FUCKING OBITUARY THREAD for someone who died nearly 8 goddam years ago. |
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27 Feb 22 - 09:45 AM (#4137961) Subject: RE: 2013 Obit: Dave Bulmer (Age 62) From: Steve Shaw We're not all the same, Jeri! Although... ;-) |
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27 Feb 22 - 10:46 AM (#4137969) Subject: RE: 2013 Obit: Dave Bulmer (Age 62) From: GUEST,Groovy What's very strange about The Sandman's complaint is that the concertinas album wasn't released by Bulmer's label, but by Plantlife. https://www.discogs.com/label/250554-Plant-Life |
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27 Feb 22 - 11:05 AM (#4137971) Subject: RE: 2013 Obit: Dave Bulmer (Age 62) From: The Sandman groovy, you are wrong. there was a recording released by plant life then there was a a second recording which never saw the light of day and which is in the possesion of Bulmers FAMILY. Malcolm Storey i sent you a private message however i have an e mail adress which is available, send me an e mail. |
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27 Feb 22 - 11:15 AM (#4137972) Subject: RE: 2013 Obit: Dave Bulmer (Age 62) From: The Sandman Malcolm Storey new mexborough concertina quartet 26 Feb 2022 , evidence that i sent you a personal message on 26 feb there are a number of uninformed people on this thread. I am informed correctly on this matter as i was part of a group that made a recording which was later acquired by Dave Bulmer and has been suppressed |
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27 Feb 22 - 12:19 PM (#4137978) Subject: RE: 2013 Obit: Dave Bulmer (Age 62) From: The Sandman I have never suppressed anyones recorded material, I understod when i entered the uk folk revival in 1969 that this music was to be encouraged and promoted ,I ran a number of Folk clubs in the uk booking many people including Dave Swarbrick Ewan MacColl Peggy Seeger Martin Carthy John Kirkpatrick Nic Jones Julia Clifford Dolores Keane John Faulkner Derek Brimstone. I have run a festival for 8 years booking Andy Irvine Martin Carthy John Kirkpatrick,Rosie Stewart Matt Cranitch JackieDaly everyone was paid their fee. I have done a lot to encourage and promote folk music Dave Bulmer has suppressed a considerable number of peoples music ncluding Bright Phoebus and the Nic Jones albums and a recording that i was involved in. It is perfectly reasonable that this should have been brought up by someone else] in his obituary.IT HAPPENED. Malcolm Storey check your personal messages, you owe me an apology Groovy, get your facts right before you post on here |
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27 Feb 22 - 12:44 PM (#4137979) Subject: RE: 2013 Obit: Dave Bulmer (Age 62) From: The Sandman I mention the above because there was a post by an American woman, which cast aspersions on the charcters of those[ including me] who posted about Dave Bulmers business dealings. I can sleep at night, I have never mistreated anyone on the folk scene everyone, has always been paid ,if you dont believe me contact Andy Irvine. mean while Nic Jones[ whose music has been suppressed can no longer perform guitar or fiddle because of a car accident, those people that have a go at me, think on that |
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27 Feb 22 - 12:56 PM (#4137981) Subject: RE: 2013 Obit: Dave Bulmer (Age 62) From: GUEST,anonymous I have to agree with jeri above. I won't add anything further to this thread. |
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27 Feb 22 - 01:11 PM (#4137982) Subject: RE: 2013 Obit: Dave Bulmer (Age 62) From: Malcolm Storey Dick Miles sent me a personal message. Why didn't I think of that? |
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27 Feb 22 - 04:38 PM (#4137992) Subject: RE: 2013 Obit: Dave Bulmer (Age 62) From: The Sandman Dave may have died 8 years ago, but his business dealings are still affecting the uk folk revival in a negative way. Honesty, is more important than rewriting history. Imagine you were Nic Jones unable to play, hard up financially with your music suppressed, and you disapprove about mentioning it on an obituary thread, I suggest politely you get your priorities in order |
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28 Feb 22 - 01:02 AM (#4138014) Subject: RE: 2013 Obit: Dave Bulmer (Age 62) From: The Sandman This thread is the correct place to discuss Dave Bulmer, we have an obituary [living tradition] quoted, which glosses over his business dealings We have an anonymous mmber called Raggytash suggesting I contact the Bulmer family this is unbelievably naive. The simple truth again with people like Dave Bulmer was you do that and the price trebles., that is how capitalist business money orientated people think. Meanwhile Nic Jones is unable to perform on guitar and fiddle in his old age, has his music suppressed, this has been going on for over 30 years. the recording that i was part of was made in 1986, in that particular case 42 years. Jeri your outburst tells us a lot about you . Obituaries SHOULD tell the truth , NOT PAINT FALSE PICTURES |
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28 Feb 22 - 01:08 AM (#4138015) Subject: RE: 2013 Obit: Dave Bulmer (Age 62) From: The Sandman quote from the obituary Publicity wasn’t his style; his first love was the music. It probably isn’t widely known that Dave Bulmer also acquired the rights to material from a number of small record labels who had recorded other aspects of British culture including various recordings of Brass Bands. Dave wasn’t a collector in the sense of a Cecil Sharp or a Peter Kennedy, but he had amassed a vast amount of material in his stores." The music HAAS BEEN lost it ha beens suppreSsed for 40 years |
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28 Feb 22 - 01:19 AM (#4138016) Subject: RE: 2013 Obit: Dave Bulmer (Age 62) From: The Sandman if his first love was the music, why is all that material unrelesed |
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28 Feb 22 - 01:49 AM (#4138017) Subject: RE: 2013 Obit: Dave Bulmer (Age 62) From: The Sandman Subject: RE: Celtic Music wins in court (Bright Phoebus) From: Howard Jones - PM Date: 21 Feb 19 - 04:25 AM At the time Bulmer acquired the catalogue from Leader it would have been much more risky to release the albums. Vinyl was relatively expensive to produce, and if I recall correctly the minimum run was 1000 copies. Unless he had the pressing masters these would have had to be remastered. I can understand that he would have been cautious about going for a full release, especially as Leader had failed to make a success of it. Nevertheless, having acquired the catalogue I am surprised he did not do more to try to recoup his investment. Times have changed, it is now far easier and cheaper to produce CDs. When my band made an album a couple of years ago we paid £826 for 500 CDs, including VAT. These were double CDs in jewel cases, with colour inserts and cellophane-wrapped, and delivered. That's £1.65 per copy which we sell at £12. CM would have additional costs for digital remastering, MCPS royalties (only payable on copyright tracks) and CM's own overheads, but most of the other significant costs of recording had already been paid by Leader. I'd be very confident that Bright Phoebus, the Nic Jones albums and quite a lot more could easily sell at least 500 copies. Of course some of the catalogue may not sell even that number, but it is very cheap to make digital copies available online eg through Bandcamp where people can purchase whole albums or individual tracks. Whilst these sell for less than a physical CD, the costs are less so the margins may even be higher. I could never understand Dave Bulmer's approach, which did not appear to be in his financial interests, let alone the damage it did to his reputation (he had been well respected as a musician and for his publications of Irish tunes), the damage it did to the musicians involved, and to the wider folk world who were unable to get hold of some important recordings. It appears his beneficiaries may now be considering releasing some of the catalogue, so they would have seen the unauthorised release of Bright Phoebus as particularly damaging. QUOTE 2 YEARS LATER still unreleased |
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28 Feb 22 - 02:52 AM (#4138020) Subject: RE: 2013 Obit: Dave Bulmer (Age 62) From: GUEST,Iains "The (alleged)Evil That Men Do Lives After Them; The Good is Oft Interred with their Bones" Very true! But is this obituary thread the correct forum to denigrate the man? It is not very edidying and demeans the entire site! Time this thread was buried. |
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28 Feb 22 - 03:07 AM (#4138023) Subject: RE: 2013 Obit: Dave Bulmer (Age 62) From: The Sandman no, time the truth is told Dave ,Suppressed the music of Nic Jones a man injured in a car crash who can longer play music because of his injuries , that is the truth that is one of the things Dave has done, these are facts, no one is denigrating him we are telling the truth |
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28 Feb 22 - 03:12 AM (#4138024) Subject: RE: 2013 Obit: Dave Bulmer (Age 62) From: The Sandman Norma Waterson has just died she was part of the recording of Bright Phoebus, THERE HAS OVER 3 YEARS AGO BEEN LITIGATION WHICH HAS PREVENTED THIS FROM BEING RELEASED. These are the facts of the business dealings of his family. no denigration but simply the truth |
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28 Feb 22 - 03:14 AM (#4138025) Subject: RE: 2013 Obit: Dave Bulmer (Age 62) From: Backwoodsman Time this POS thread was closed. |
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28 Feb 22 - 05:44 AM (#4138029) Subject: RE: 2013 Obit: Dave Bulmer (Age 62) From: Steve Shaw It's perfectly understandable (and very important in my opinion) that the subject of the missing music is kept alive, but it's also perfectly understandable that, once old muckers of Dave Bulmer wade in to say what a good bloke he was (it is an obit thread after all, though something grates when mates of his studiously ignore or try to defend what he did) there's going to be negativity. I don't agree that we should treat an ancient thread with kid gloves just because it started off an an obituary thread, so OK, it's gone sour and maybe the brake should be applied. But there is a just cause here and it isn't going away. I'm not going to pretend that I admire Dick's modus operandi, but it's a good fight he's fighting, one that could perhaps be fought in a more measured way. Easy, tiger... And there's too much we don't know: do the recordings still exist, are they still any good, do his family know where they are, do they know anything about what's going on, would they know what to do even if they did know, have they dug in because of all the criticism, hence the silence... So we just keep on rattling around... :-( |
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28 Feb 22 - 05:49 AM (#4138030) Subject: RE: 2013 Obit: Dave Bulmer (Age 62) From: Johnny J Steve, The Sandman et al, Why not just start a new thread about the subject of Dave's dealings? It's perfectly reasonable to air grievances and discuss the situation re unreleased material but there's no need to do it on the obituary thread. Then everyone is(reasonably) happy. |
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28 Feb 22 - 06:08 AM (#4138031) Subject: RE: 2013 Obit: Dave Bulmer (Age 62) From: Howard Jones Whether the original masters still exist and are in playable condition isn't really the issue. In many cases people will still have vinyl copies, and I'm sure most people would accept a less than perfect sound quality if it meant the music could be made available. The problem is the publishing rights, which for reasons best known to themselves the Bulmer family apparently neither wish to use themselves nor negotiate licences for others to do so. I never met Dave Bulmer, but by all accounts he was a respected musician and I'm quite prepared to believe those who did know him who say his interest in the music was genuine. Which makes his attitude all the more baffling. He had published a series of books of Irish music, which were very valuable sources of material at a time when not much was widely available, and had it not been for the issue of these recordings he would have been remembered for this contribution and would have left a positive legacy. As it is, his legacy is very different, and this issue cannot be ignored. Whether this thread is an appropriate one on which to discuss it is a matter for the mods, but the controversy will continue wherever we discuss it. People, and not just the artists directly affected, are justifiably angry that a huge part of our music's heritage has been lost. |
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28 Feb 22 - 07:19 AM (#4138034) Subject: RE: 2013 Obit: Dave Bulmer (Age 62) From: Raggytash It is extremely naive to suggest that the Bulmer family should contact you Dick. They have probably never heard of Dick Miles and I'm pretty sure they will not know of the New Mexborough Concertina Quartet and a "niche" recording from 37 years ago. They have little, if not nothing, to gain from finding the recording, re-mastering it and re-releasing it. You, on the other hand, seem to want to do so. I would suggest the ball is firmly in your court. |
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28 Feb 22 - 07:50 AM (#4138036) Subject: RE: 2013 Obit: Dave Bulmer (Age 62) From: Steve Shaw I think yours is a good post, Howard. Agree with all that. I have got any particular personal grievance to air, Johnny. I feel for the artists who are the victims, I admire many of them and think that their music should be out there. Mostly, they were/are not businessmen/women, unlike Dave Bulmer, a dimension oft forgotten. As for this being an obituary thread, there is no rule that we have to avoid criticism on such threads (it's happened on a number of obituary threads here without attracting much comment), and it has been a long time after all... I'm now making a dignified exit from this thread. I don't think it should be closed but I do think that opinions can be aired respectfully. |
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28 Feb 22 - 07:52 AM (#4138037) Subject: RE: 2013 Obit: Dave Bulmer (Age 62) From: Steve Shaw "Haven't got," dammit. |
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28 Feb 22 - 08:23 AM (#4138040) Subject: RE: 2013 Obit: Dave Bulmer (Age 62) From: The Sandman OBITUARIES should be truthful,ONLY the truth has been stated in my posts, I have not denigrated any body.Ihave not denigrated him as a musician. I have only commented on his business dealings Dave Bulmer certainly knew of me and the NEMCQ. I am sure his family know their catalogue. I do not need your advice,Raggytash. Nic Jones is now an old man who is unable to play guitar or fiddle I did not start or restart this thread, but as someone who has been involved in making a recording that has been suppressed for over 30 years ,i have a right to continue to draw attention to it on any thread concerning Dave Bulmer and to draw attention to the other people who have had their music suppressed, and to make new people aware of the results of his business dealings |
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28 Feb 22 - 08:57 AM (#4138043) Subject: RE: 2013 Obit: Dave Bulmer (Age 62) From: The Sandman the following letter has been sent to the Editor of Living Tradtion, it will be intersting to see if it is published quote from the obituary "Publicity wasn’t his style; his first love was the music. It probably isn’t widely known that Dave Bulmer also acquired the rights to material from a number of small record labels who had recorded other aspects of British culture including various recordings of Brass Bands. Dave wasn’t a collector in the sense of a Cecil Sharp or a Peter Kennedy, but he had amassed a vast amount of material in his stores." The music HAS BEEN in effect lost, it has not been released for 40 years. I made a recording with The New Mexborough English Concertina Quartet in 1986 this has been acquired by Dave Bulmer and is unreleased . I understand that music by Nic Jones an old man who can no longer play is also unreleased and owned by the Bulmer Family. If his first love was the music, why is this material unreleased |
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28 Feb 22 - 08:59 AM (#4138045) Subject: RE: 2013 Obit: Dave Bulmer (Age 62) From: Backwoodsman I agree, Steve, artists’ music should be available for publication, not secreted somewhere in someone’s dark, dusty safe. Has anyone actually approached the Bulmer family? That would seem to be the sensible approach, rather than just pissing, moaning, and venting on an obituary thread on an insignificant, little-known Internet forum. I don’t believe that the “I want something from you, but it’s up to you to contact me about it” type of approach is likely to bear any fruit whatsoever. |
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28 Feb 22 - 09:07 AM (#4138047) Subject: RE: 2013 Obit: Dave Bulmer (Age 62) From: The Sandman Back woodsman. I approached Dave Bulmer and got nowhere, I found When dealing with him, that his instinct on being approached was to put the price up. why dont you approach his heirs? if you feel it is not your business , i understand, and would suggest that if you dont want to approach his heirs, perhaps you should leave the conversation |
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28 Feb 22 - 10:20 AM (#4138052) Subject: RE: 2013 Obit: Dave Bulmer (Age 62) From: John MacKenzie Someone's trying to emulate Burke and Hare. Talk about hyenas and jackals? Compared to some folks, they are civilised. |
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28 Feb 22 - 11:04 AM (#4138057) Subject: RE: 2013 Obit: Dave Bulmer (Age 62) From: Backwoodsman But Bulmer has been dead for a number of years, Dick - the question was, “Has anyone actually approached the Bulmer family?”, who presumably inherited from him. If no-one has approached them, there’s little point getting their nether-garments wedged up their arse-cracks and blowing off hot air on here, the Bulmer family are hardly likely to hear about it and, if they did, they’re unlikely to feel benevolent towards someone who hasn’t even taken the trouble to discuss the issue with them. It really isn’t rocket surgery - surely even you can understand that it’s the logical, business-like way to go. And, as you have chosen to publicly pontificate at length on a forum of which I am a member, I’m as entitled to take part in this conversation as you or anyone else. Alles klaar? |
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28 Feb 22 - 12:25 PM (#4138063) Subject: RE: 2013 Obit: Dave Bulmer (Age 62) From: The Sandman I only met Dave once so i have only commented on his business dealings which involved nic jones and the watersons and me., and others ? I have at no time discussed anything other than his business dealings. I make my own decisions on how to handle the Bulmer family,my experience has been with Dave Bulmer that approaching him was useless,Ihave heard that his sons are much the same, no, it is not the logical business way of dealing with them, those sort of people when you approach them put the price up, IT IS NOT THE BUSINESS LIKE WAY TO GO IMO furthermore it is not just my decision there are 3 other people involved. ARE YOU GOING TO ADVISE NIC JONES AND MARTIN CARTHY, on how to deal with Bulmers relatives? Why do you not contact Martin and Nic JONES and tell them how to do business with Daves Heirs. I have Martins contact , he is a personal friend |
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28 Feb 22 - 12:34 PM (#4138065) Subject: RE: 2013 Obit: Dave Bulmer (Age 62) From: GUEST Moderators, please, please , close this thread. |
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28 Feb 22 - 01:06 PM (#4138067) Subject: RE: 2013 Obit: Dave Bulmer (Age 62) From: GUEST This thread is inappropriate in that it is an obit thread. The memory of Mr Bulmer is not relevant but his earlier actions ARE. It should be redirected to a new thread (or revive an old one?) |
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28 Feb 22 - 01:23 PM (#4138068) Subject: RE: 2013 Obit: Dave Bulmer (Age 62) From: Backwoodsman Martin and Nic aren’t pissing, moaning, and spilling their guts on this thread the way you are. If they were here, I’m sure they wouldn’t be as rude and aggressive as you are to people trying to be helpful. And they certainly wouldn’t be indulging in childish SHOUTING. |
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28 Feb 22 - 02:57 PM (#4138071) Subject: RE: 2013 Obit: Dave Bulmer (Age 62) From: Joe Offer Time to close yet another Bulmer thread. |