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10 Nov 13 - 12:54 PM (#3574440) Subject: Marsden Rattlers From: GUEST,jim bainbridge Have never initiated anything on this site, but folk might like to know that the above band is being revived for a night at the Davy Lamp Folk Club, Washington, Co Durham on Saturday December 7. It was the resident band at the Marsden Inn folk club in South Shields, which was set up early in 1964, after a few months at the Beacon pub in the town. The band played festivals in the north and Scotland from 1964, with occasional forays to the south, eg Cambridge festival in 1968, but was more at home at barn dances/ceilis all over Scotland and the North. There were a few recordings on LPs, and they were arguably the first of the 'English' revival bands, apart from maybe the High Level Ranters and the Rakes, even if their material was never 'English' in the modern sense, and nor was ours, even if we played with such as Oscar Woods and Scan Tester at times. The original band was very much a 'moveable feast' with band composition often changing from week to week, and never had any hangups about whether the material was 'traditional' or 'folk' and often upset the 'folk police'. most regular personnel- Jim Irvine (whistle & spoons the but fiddle and melodeon now) myself on melodeon & occasional piano, Trevor Sheridan (G banjo), my sisters Kath and Susan took turns on piano with John Lincoln, the 'phantom fiddler- all happy to burst into song! That will be the band at the Davy Lamp, apart from John Lincoln, who can't make it- however there will be songs from Jim Sharpe who is a real original from the club's early days in 1963. It'd be good to see a few old pals on the night- NB there will be no world tour to follow... |
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10 Nov 13 - 01:02 PM (#3574443) Subject: RE: Marsden Rattlers From: The Sandman sounds like it should be a good night. |
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10 Nov 13 - 01:38 PM (#3574453) Subject: RE: Marsden Rattlers From: GUEST,Trevor Sheridan Well done jim. No world tour later but we'll be there again in 50 years time !! |
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10 Nov 13 - 02:19 PM (#3574457) Subject: RE: Marsden Rattlers From: The Sandman and is your g banjo, a standrd 5 string trevor/ |
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10 Nov 13 - 02:26 PM (#3574463) Subject: RE: Marsden Rattlers From: alex s It was a great club. |
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10 Nov 13 - 04:20 PM (#3574484) Subject: RE: Marsden Rattlers From: Wheatman I'll bet it's a canny night, wish I could be there but it's along way from Whittlesy for a day trip. I do remember the Marsden Inn in the late 60's but never had the confidence to sing there. The Rattlers did some great nights at the once a month barn dance at the Three Tuns, Birtley, I seem to remember. Also I think I saw them at Cambridge Festival with Bob Davenport in the mid 70's? |
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10 Nov 13 - 04:20 PM (#3574485) Subject: RE: Marsden Rattlers From: GUEST,Trevor Sheridan GSS It's a 4 string John Alvey Turner and really getting knackered now after over 50 years playing with Jim etc as it was over 50 when I got it in 1962 |
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11 Nov 13 - 04:52 AM (#3574612) Subject: RE: Marsden Rattlers From: GUEST,george henderson. That will be a great night Jim. Sorry I cannot get there. I have to ggo to Robbie's session in Spancil Hill on 6th. A bit too far to travel the following day after a feed of Guinness. Give my regards to everyone. |
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11 Nov 13 - 05:27 AM (#3574621) Subject: RE: Marsden Rattlers From: GUEST,John from "Elsie`s Band" We`d all love to be there Jim but it`s just impossible. We hope all is well with you and Francie. Here`s to our next time at "The Red Lion". Best Wishes, John |
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11 Nov 13 - 02:27 PM (#3574779) Subject: RE: Marsden Rattlers From: Dave Sutherland Thanks for the information Jim; not sure that I'll get there as I am up in the North East the previous week and I have to be back in Notts for various issues in December. However while I'm up there I'll see whether I can coax any of my fellow folk police out of retirement for the occasion :-) |
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12 Nov 13 - 06:26 AM (#3574954) Subject: RE: Marsden Rattlers From: RoyH (Burl) This really does sound good.Too far away for me unfortunately. I remember the Rattlers and the Marsden club, and how I'd spend lots of time talking football with Jim Sharpe. Will someone who goe there please give him my regards. Roy Harris |
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12 Nov 13 - 09:07 AM (#3574986) Subject: RE: Marsden Rattlers From: Mick Tems This is for Jim, who donated three CDs for review to FolkWales Online Magazine (Lights On The River, The Drunken Billy Goat and Galloway House.) There's a feature in the next December edition, in which I review my favourite CDs of all time - watch this space! |
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12 Nov 13 - 05:12 PM (#3575096) Subject: RE: Marsden Rattlers From: GUEST,sile k I well remember the band's trips to Fife in the 60s when they ignored the dead hand of the RSCDS and gave us music to dance to and we realised you didn't have to wear a kilt- maybe I should rephrase that but it was great fun!! |
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13 Nov 13 - 09:37 AM (#3575273) Subject: RE: Marsden Rattlers From: GUEST,ji what do you mean jim b no world tour. you need to be asked yet |
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13 Nov 13 - 05:19 PM (#3575371) Subject: RE: Marsden Rattlers From: GUEST,Trevor Sheridan World Tour ? I'm up for it. Will that mean getting a ferry from Shields |
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13 Nov 13 - 05:48 PM (#3575374) Subject: RE: Marsden Rattlers From: GUEST Sile k--your description of the traditional dance scene [horrible word] and bands in Scotland is not one that I recognise, indeed few of my contemporaries would know what the initials RSCDS stood for and I speak as one who has danced in halls from Drummore to Mallaig via the Angus Glens, Deeside, Donside, and the Glens of Foundland. I cannot imagine that Fife at that period would have been in any way out of kilter with these places, obviously you have been travelling in the wrong circles. PS---we did not require anyone to instruct us in the required steps and moves during each dance, these having been picked up even by those with two left feet from an early age. |
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14 Nov 13 - 02:31 PM (#3575619) Subject: RE: Marsden Rattlers From: GUEST Oh dear, think the last post just illustrates the worthiness of the dance situation in Scotland in the 60s and in some parts to this day- Sile k didn't even mention the 'traditional dance scene' It IS a horrible phrase but you used it! 'required steps' is even worse, she/he? didn't like kilters anyway, thought that was clear? |
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14 Nov 13 - 06:06 PM (#3575704) Subject: RE: Marsden Rattlers From: GUEST Nowhere was the phrase "the traditional dance scene" referred to above included in my objection to the word "scene". When one sees "Marsden Rattlers" and RSCDS in the same sentence one certainly does not think of dancing a Gavotte, with the RSCDS that dance called the Strathspey, unique to Scotland, certainly comes to mind and it is certainly nearer to a Gavotte than the Drops of Brandy. |
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15 Nov 13 - 05:23 AM (#3575840) Subject: RE: Marsden Rattlers From: GUEST,Torquil Houghmagandie F-ffluphington-Smythe Guest @ 2-31pm 14-11-13==you, if you will excuse my French, sound like a bit of a deleerit jaurie, loosen up gadgie, what I have beneath my kilt is my business. Any further snash from you and I will send round my badger headed sporran to sort you out, it can sook or lick depending on what you have under yours. Yours, Houghmagandie -------or, if you are from the slightly vocabularly challenged St. Andrews area of Fife, F---er |
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15 Nov 13 - 10:30 AM (#3575926) Subject: RE: Marsden Rattlers From: GUEST,Torquil Houghmagandie F-ffluphington--Smythe Greetings Teuchters. A number of my old friends from St. Andys, sleepers on this forum, have contacted me requesting that I enlighten the great unwashed as to how I acquired my unusual Scottish middle name and being someone who believes that any pronouncement made by me will be waited on with baited breath I have decided to enlighten youse [note the subtle use of the vernacular] as to how I acquired it. Days before I was born the pater had picked up a book by an obscure poet chappie called Bobby Burns,[ he still breaks into a sweat when he remembers that he thought he was going to be stopped when leaving the shop with the unpaid book in his pocket] in that volume he came across the word houghmagandie, the mater agreeing with him that it would be one in the eye for our neighbours the Cholmundlays in the oneupman stakes it was duly bestowed on me and was greatly admired by all our friends and fellow white settlers, even all those I came into contact with at St. Andys in my student days thought it was a master stroke in integration by my parents, however my eyes were opened to its true meaning one evening when I was signing into a brothel// ere sauna using my own name, such a laugh it raised and I was for ever after known in those circles as "The F---er" |
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15 Nov 13 - 02:36 PM (#3575990) Subject: RE: Marsden Rattlers From: GUEST,jim bainbridge The Marsden Rattlers played for many grand ceildhs in St Andrews, Peat Inn, Strathkinness, Ceres etc (you know, the nice ones with stovies at the interval)- we never had any problem with the language. we still have the SNP Rebels Ceilidh songbooks from those days & a taste for single malt- we just did our own thing, as we still do...others can interpret that as they want...have no wish to get into musical politics. The original idea of this was to inform folks about our impending reunion at the Davy Lamp Folk Club, Washington CD (Co Durham) not DC on Saturday December 7th |
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15 Nov 13 - 03:41 PM (#3576012) Subject: RE: Marsden Rattlers From: GUEST,T.H.F-ff--S. Just taking the Michael Jim to pass a dreich Novembers day. Have had a wheen stovie suppers in the Grouse Inn up in the Cabbrach when Curly MacKay was still playing. I look forward to seeing you in Drumkeerin some of these days. All success to your reunion clug wallop. |
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25 Nov 13 - 02:56 PM (#3579081) Subject: RE: Marsden Rattlers From: GUEST,jim bainbridge Just to say that the celebration by the Rattlers will now be extended to Sunday 8 December- venue not decided yet, As said earlier, the band was always a moveable feast and lots of musicians featured from time to time... the Saturday night Dec 7 at the Davy lamp in the Washington Arts centre will feature the 1967 Blairgowrie festival band (there's a famous photo taken by Archie Fisher) minus John Lincoln the phantom fiddler, who sadly can't make it from his base in Killin, Perthshire. Anyway I'll post the venue as soon as we fix it, and it'll be an opportunity for all the other Rattlers to come and chip in!! nb proably no stovies this time |
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26 Nov 13 - 04:41 AM (#3579230) Subject: RE: Marsden Rattlers From: GUEST,Guest TF Hi Jim. If they can't agree on what's dancing and not dancing I wouldn't even get them started on the recipe for stovies. Tich. |
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26 Nov 13 - 06:02 AM (#3579248) Subject: RE: Marsden Rattlers From: GUEST,T.H.F-.ff--.S Tich--do tell us, who?--they? |
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26 Nov 13 - 09:55 AM (#3579322) Subject: RE: Marsden Rattlers From: GUEST,Trevor Sheridan Well I know how to make stovies and could take some up next week so we won't need any help on the recipe. Mine is similar to that served in Tanochbrae Restaurant, Muchty a few years ago but still not as good as Peat Inn from 1968/9 !!!!!! When it was a lovely pub just down the road from the famous Poffle |
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26 Nov 13 - 04:50 PM (#3579428) Subject: RE: Marsden Rattlers From: GUEST,jim bainbridge Tich- 'dancin', dancin'??- can yo no tell its just the way aa'm standin'? Trevor,maybe we should have panhagelty instead?- OK let's have some ideas on how to spell THAT... don't want to upset 'them'- no stovies at Peat Inn these days- sad that... |
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26 Nov 13 - 07:00 PM (#3579454) Subject: RE: Marsden Rattlers From: Tattie Bogle Sounds like a great night, Jim, But I'll be up in Aiberdeen for the Scottish Trad Awards that weekend. As for the dancing'...there is still a bit of a divide between those who do RSCDS stuff (Royal Scottish Country Dance Society) and hooligan ceilidhs. I was astounded to hear from a rather posh lady in Edinburgh where we were playing for some (admittedly interesting lesser known dances that The Dashing White Sergeant was "Ooe, nooe, WEE don't do Ceilidh dances" (sniff, sniff, nose in air!) |
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28 Nov 13 - 11:40 AM (#3579641) Subject: RE: Marsden Rattlers From: GUEST,jim bainbridge Hi tattie Bogle- what a lovely compliment- am highly flattered to be associated with 'hooligan ceildhs'- am sure the band will be too- at last, all those years of HCs have paid off! I came on here to say that the Marsden Rattlers night on Sunday December 8 will be a session night (on our terms) and not a folk club. It will be at the Westoe Rugby Club, Dean Road, South Shields- not far from the Chichester Metro Station. it will start about 7.30. All who have any memories/links with the band will be welcome to help celebrate 49 and a half years of existence- the Marsden club is a little older than that- is that right Trevor? - ps you'd be welcome even if you've never heard of us |
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30 Nov 13 - 05:57 AM (#3580141) Subject: RE: Marsden Rattlers From: GUEST,jim bainbridge To clarify- no admission charge on the Sunday night at Westoe rugby Club, although we might run a raffle for charity |
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30 Nov 13 - 06:41 AM (#3580153) Subject: RE: Marsden Rattlers From: Mr Happy http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C3GrTbAEp04 |
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01 Dec 13 - 02:10 PM (#3580466) Subject: RE: Marsden Rattlers From: GUEST refresh |
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02 Dec 13 - 08:55 AM (#3580667) Subject: RE: Marsden Rattlers From: GUEST,Rattler Guitar (Nigel) How nice to find this thread, as a Shields and St Andys veteran, and , snow willing, will be up in the glorious county next weekend. Sadly , many faces will be missed (deceased), but the old bugger Sheridan is still very much with us! The mystery continues....... |
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13 Dec 13 - 03:15 PM (#3583869) Subject: RE: Marsden Rattlers From: GUEST,jim bainbridge Thanks to all who turned up to support the two events- they were well attended and we think very successful, as well as raising a few bob for a worthy charity. A bit of pressure to make it an annual event, but we'll see about that further down the line maybe? Let's get the world tour out of the way first... |
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14 Dec 13 - 06:01 PM (#3584156) Subject: RE: Marsden Rattlers From: GUEST,Trevor Sheridan Yes it was a great weekend. Lots of really good friends turned up and sadly a few missing but the world tour seems exciting......need a driver and large van!!! |
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29 Dec 13 - 05:44 AM (#3587272) Subject: RE: Marsden Rattlers From: GUEST,jim bainbridge Several weeks ago, my daughter Helen, living in Brighton, suffered a very sad bereavement, losing her son, my grandson. The weekend of Rattlers revival mentioned above was of course arranged months before that. However, as a result of the bereavement, Helen is setting up a charity/trust to help teenage kids by providing a mentor/guidance for those in difficulties. Trevor, our banjo player, suggested we put together a CD for sale at the two nights with all money to the charity. With a lot of hard work at very short notice, Trevor compiled a CD of our stuff, most of which were sold, although he might have a few left. It is made up of tapes from several sources, but largely recorded by Russ Chandler at the Walthamstow folk club in 2004, and is no studio recording, but very much a live, warts and all effort, which is our style, really. My brother in law, Ken Lees (veteran of many Topic LP sleeves) did the graphics- the CD cover shows us at Cambridge Festival in 1968) and I'd just like to say thanks from Helen and myself to all who contributed in any way to the cheque which will soon be with 'A Brother's Bond' charity. |
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01 Jan 14 - 02:57 PM (#3588175) Subject: RE: Marsden Rattlers From: Tattie Bogle So sorry to hear about your news Jim. Hope 2014 proves better for you. |