polly vaughan dick miles

05 Dec 13 - 09:34 AM (#3581719)
Subject: polly vaughan dick miles
From: The Sandman

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4fkhgk13ECE

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05 Dec 13 - 11:41 AM (#3581746)
Subject: RE: polly vaughan dick miles
From: johncharles

Why?

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05 Dec 13 - 02:40 PM (#3581795)
Subject: RE: polly vaughan dick miles
From: GUEST,Willie Thorne, snooker legend.

I have miles of smiles for Richard Miles
His lively videos have me dancing in the isles
and just when I think "he'll never better that!"
He uploads another - but this time in his hat.

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05 Dec 13 - 03:06 PM (#3581801)
Subject: RE: polly vaughan dick miles
From: The Sandman

Mudcat is a music forum, where people can talk and discuss and play music.
john charles you appear to be stalking me please desist.
guest, willie thorne , i like your limerick. very good.

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05 Dec 13 - 03:10 PM (#3581803)
Subject: RE: polly vaughan dick miles
From: GUEST

No offence, but it's not a limerick.

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05 Dec 13 - 03:22 PM (#3581805)
Subject: RE: polly vaughan dick miles
From: GUEST,Willie Thorne, snooker legend.

Thanks Dick. Glad you took it in the right spirit.

There was an old fellow named Miles
who was stalked on the 'cat by a Charles
he asked to desist
With his pen not his fist
and the world filled with love and smiles

there was a old bugger named Dick
who's accent was curiously thick
He sang from his gob
in Ballydehob
Then got drunk and fell in a ditch

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05 Dec 13 - 08:03 PM (#3581886)
Subject: RE: polly vaughan dick miles
From: The Sandman

yeah its better than falling in a dyke.

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05 Dec 13 - 08:18 PM (#3581889)
Subject: RE: polly vaughan dick miles
From: GUEST

Would have been better if the guitar'd been in tune.

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06 Dec 13 - 03:26 AM (#3581928)
Subject: RE: polly vaughan dick miles
From: johncharles

Dick, you post a video with no indication as to why; is it for discussion, review or some other reason. You accuse me of stalking you and also send me a personal message. I suggest it is you that needs to desist.
john

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06 Dec 13 - 04:28 AM (#3581941)
Subject: RE: polly vaughan dick miles
From: Joe Offer

Dick, you posted a link to this very same video in another thread you started in 2010. At least in that thread, you said something about your recording. In this one, you just gave a link. It's very helpful to have recordings of songs, but it's much better to have them in existing threads about the song, rather than in new thread that seem to say, "Look at me, I'm a Professional Folk Musician." We're all musicians here, so we tend not to be impressed, since we found out long ago that being a Professional Folk Musician is not a good way to become rich and powerful and famous and attractive. [I myself am all of those things, of course, but I didn't get there by being a folk musician... ;-)]

Far better to add a link to your recording to an existing discussion, and then say something about it.

-Joe-

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06 Dec 13 - 07:23 AM (#3581993)
Subject: RE: polly vaughan dick miles
From: The Sandman

I sent you a personal message asking you to get off my back.
why should i not post music on a music forum , if you do not like it, leave the thread alone.
please desist from turning up on many of my threads and challenging me or as you did once before posting a review by someone else that was not particularly favourable of a gig i did at reading folk club[incidentaaly i sold 5 cds that night], why post a mildly unfavourable review, which must have taken you time to find, unless it was to attempt to damage my reputation, get off my back.

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06 Dec 13 - 07:28 AM (#3581995)
Subject: RE: polly vaughan dick miles
From: The Sandman

here is the personal message i sent to john charles johncharles         why         5 Dec 2013 02:58 PM         
                        
Message:
why not? get off my back.

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06 Dec 13 - 08:29 AM (#3582017)
Subject: RE: polly vaughan dick miles
From: GUEST,Willie Thorne, snooker legend.

If this is going to descend into farce,
the least I can do is to ask
you keep your insults in rhyme
and attempt them to scan
whilst you call each other an arse

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06 Dec 13 - 08:54 AM (#3582023)
Subject: RE: polly vaughan dick miles
From: Will Fly

Dick, may I make a comment on your recording? and when I say "recording", I mean the actual technical recording - not the content.

You've presumably posted this video as a bit of shameless self-promo - nothing wrong with that, and many of us have done it from time to time. But, whenever I watch your stuff on YouTube - and I've sat and watched quite a few over the years - I always come to the same conclusion: the singing and playing is lovely, but the actual quality of the video leaves so much to be desired and - for me - detracts from the enjoyment. This video of "Polly Vaughan" is typical - brown, muddy, barely visible, off-centre, low volume...

So, you're not doing yourself any favours by the quality of your video. When I do a video (and I'm not making any claims for the quality of my content here, either - just the technicalities), I observe some basic rules which help at least to make it watchable:

1. I try and frame myself in front of the camera so that, if there are any people interested in what my fingers are doing on the guitar, they can at least see them.

2. I try and get some light on myself so that the picture is clear, even in light conditions which can vary from dull and gloomy to over-bright winter sunlight.

3. I try and make sure the sound quality is reasonable - not distorted and not too low.

I happen to use quite a nice HD video camera for the visuals, good sound equipment, and some moderately sophisticated movie software to make my stuff. I'm very aware that not everyone can afford such kit, and may not have the skills to operate the kit - so they may have to rely on the inbuilt camera and mic on their computer. That's actually perfectly acceptable if these basic rules are observed. As a quick experiment to illustrate my point, I've just done a quick recording using just my laptop which was perched on the arm of a chair in my lounge - just to illustrate some points.

quick'n dirty blues clip

I just balanced this on the arm of an archair - pointing towards the window, which is why it's all misty and lacking in contrast. But at least the picture is framed, and you can see what I'm doing. The sound's not brilliant either, but you can hear it.

So - my advice would be to beef up the technical side of your videos. And let me repeat: this is no criticism in any way of your musical skills - just frustration at not being able to see and hear you properly.

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06 Dec 13 - 09:41 AM (#3582031)
Subject: RE: polly vaughan dick miles
From: johncharles

I have used a little £200 netbook with an inbuilt camera. The picture is not bad, the voice is ok, it does make the guitar sound slightly odd. Distance from the mic and the room in which I record seems to make quite a difference.

lay me low
john

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06 Dec 13 - 10:17 AM (#3582037)
Subject: RE: polly vaughan dick miles
From: The Sandman

john charles answer my question, why post an unfavourable review, that took time to find, other than to have a go at me

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06 Dec 13 - 10:18 AM (#3582038)
Subject: RE: polly vaughan dick miles
From: johncharles

let us just shake hands and forget it Dick.
john

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06 Dec 13 - 12:31 PM (#3582070)
Subject: RE: polly vaughan dick miles
From: The Sandman

"Do you know the hallmark of a second rater? It's resentment of another man's achievement. Those touchy mediocrities who sit trembling lest someone's work prove greater than their own - they have no inkling of the loneliness that comes when you reach the top. The loneliness for an equal - for a mind to respect and an achievement to admire. They bare their teeth at you from out of their rat holes,thinking that you take pleasure in letting your brilliance dim them - while you'd give a year of my life to see a flicker of talent anywhere among them. They envy achievement, and their dream of greatness is a world where all men have become their acknowledged inferiors. They don't know that that dream is the infallible proof of mediocrity, because that sort of world is what the man of achievement would not be able to bear. They have no way of knowing what he feels when surrounded by inferiors - hatred? no, not hatred, but boredom - the terrible, hopeless, draining, paralyzing boredom. Of what account are praise and adulation from men whom you don't respect? Have you ever felt the longing for someone you could admire? For something, not to look down at, but up to?"
"I've felt it all my life," she said."
― Ayn Rand, Atlas Shrugged

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06 Dec 13 - 12:54 PM (#3582079)
Subject: RE: polly vaughan dick miles
From: The Sandman

h now here is a good performer one who is better than mehttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kO_xmAUU3Sw

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06 Dec 13 - 01:37 PM (#3582095)
Subject: RE: polly vaughan dick miles
From: GUEST,Sykesy

Good grief, anyone who cites Ayn Rand in support of an argument really is desperate.

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06 Dec 13 - 01:43 PM (#3582097)
Subject: RE: polly vaughan dick miles
From: GUEST,:-)

Listen to Will. He knows whereof he speaks.

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06 Dec 13 - 03:04 PM (#3582130)
Subject: RE: polly vaughan dick miles
From: GUEST,Nick Dow

Please will someone tell me why we have to keep tearing lumps off each other on Mudcat? Especially when we all love the same music.
Dick looks a lot better than I do in front of a camera, I'm too embarrassed at my waist size to be filmed. Yes I love doing gigs but I equally enjoy singers nights and singarounds. This is where the musical variety and hard work on the folk scene finds a voice. I do not care one bit if the words are forgotten or the voice is not as good as it might be, as long as the love and belief in the song is there to be seen. So post away on youtube Dick and everybody else who has a song to sing. If I can sing at all it's because I listened to other people and tried to understand what was going on. Meanwhile it really does not cost a thing to be kind and to listen. If this makes me a soft old bugger so be it.

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06 Dec 13 - 07:58 PM (#3582204)
Subject: RE: polly vaughan dick miles
From: The Sandman

hello Nick, Good to hear you, we had some good old days didnt we.

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06 Dec 13 - 08:05 PM (#3582210)
Subject: RE: polly vaughan dick miles
From: Steve Shaw

"Do you know the hallmark of a second rater? It's resentment of another man's achievement. Those touchy mediocrities who sit trembling lest someone's work prove greater than their own - they have no inkling of the loneliness that comes when you reach the top. The loneliness for an equal - for a mind to respect and an achievement to admire. They bare their teeth at you from out of their rat holes,thinking that you take pleasure in letting your brilliance dim them - while you'd give a year of my life to see a flicker of talent anywhere among them. They envy achievement, and their dream of greatness is a world where all men have become their acknowledged inferiors. They don't know that that dream is the infallible proof of mediocrity, because that sort of world is what the man of achievement would not be able to bear. They have no way of knowing what he feels when surrounded by inferiors - hatred? no, not hatred, but boredom - the terrible, hopeless, draining, paralyzing boredom. Of what account are praise and adulation from men whom you don't respect? Have you ever felt the longing for someone you could admire? For something, not to look down at, but up to?"
"I've felt it all my life," she said."
― Ayn Rand, Atlas Shrugged

Bloody hell, Dick. Remind me to skip your next gig. I don't think I could take the inferiority complex I'd be in severe danger of acquiring...

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07 Dec 13 - 04:45 AM (#3582275)
Subject: RE: polly vaughan dick miles
From: The Sandman

I have said in the past and i will repeat it now , Steve Shaws harmonica playing is good, however he could not do what people like Nick Dowand Martyn Read do, entertain a folk club audience for 2times 40 minutes spots, as for John Charles, anyone that deliberately finds fairly obscure reviews in an attempt to denigrate someone else tells us a lot about their personality.
Steve by his own admission prefers to attend irish trad music sessions, he lives in Cornwall, now the last time i played Bodmin[cornwall] folk club, there was no sign of Shaw, Steve is another one who wants to have a go at me via the net, Steve come and say this to my face and see what happens,you are mean spirited coward, you know full well that is a quote from ayn rand, steve, get a life.

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07 Dec 13 - 05:08 AM (#3582278)
Subject: RE: polly vaughan dick miles
From: johncharles

I can but aspire to be like you Dick, a model of sweetness and light who always maintains a supportive and non-judgemental approach in his correspondence. Roll on the day.
john

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07 Dec 13 - 05:30 AM (#3582282)
Subject: RE: polly vaughan dick miles
From: johncharles

"as for John Charles, anyone that deliberately finds fairly obscure reviews in an attempt to denigrate someone else tells us a lot about their personality."
Just a point on the above. The review was not obscure to me. I have the club who produce the newsletter bookmarked on my computer precisely because they produce an interesting and informative newsletter.
john

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07 Dec 13 - 06:26 AM (#3582298)
Subject: RE: polly vaughan dick miles
From: Steve Shaw

Blimey, someone got out the wrong side this morning... :-)

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07 Dec 13 - 06:29 AM (#3582299)
Subject: RE: polly vaughan dick miles
From: Vic Smith

I wonder if anybody knew that an anagram of :-

Dick Miles Polly Vaughan

is

A Cad Shovelling Limp Yuk

...not that this has any relevance to anything at all, of course.

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07 Dec 13 - 08:03 AM (#3582320)
Subject: RE: polly vaughan dick miles
From: GUEST,Willie Thorne, snooker legend

There was an old man named Dick
who thought that mud wouldn't stick
so he kept harking back
to a review that was crap
And nobody gave him a gig

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07 Dec 13 - 08:54 AM (#3582333)
Subject: RE: polly vaughan dick miles
From: The Sandman

john charles, you deliberately put up an unfavourable review of a gig that i did[where incidentaly i sold 5 cds] so five people clearly had a differnt opinion of the gig.

why did you do this if it was not out of spite, you came on to this thread questioning me.. why, then you put up a video of yourself. is that hypocritical or what? look , if you dont like a thread leave it alone, but stop stalking and attacking me on this forum.

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07 Dec 13 - 09:03 AM (#3582335)
Subject: RE: polly vaughan dick miles
From: johncharles

Dear Dick please stop taking things out of context and also accusing me of being a stalker, which I am not. I do not like your attempts at bullying.
john

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07 Dec 13 - 09:43 AM (#3582344)
Subject: RE: polly vaughan dick miles
From: Jeri

So where is this review Dick keeps bringing up?

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07 Dec 13 - 09:53 AM (#3582346)
Subject: RE: polly vaughan dick miles
From: MartinRyan

FFS

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07 Dec 13 - 10:12 AM (#3582349)
Subject: RE: polly vaughan dick miles
From: Jack Campin

I'm not likely ever to visit Ballydehob or go back to Cornwall, but if I did go to Cornwall, Steve Shaw sounds like he'd be interesting to hang out with:

http://harmonica.co.uk/music/Ger%20the%20Rigger-Bill%20Sullivan%27s.mp3

Ballydehob, on the other hand, has the attraction of Europe's westernmost Antiochian Orthodox congregation. Maybe I could drop in for Vespers:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MPbYKJzYjQI

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07 Dec 13 - 11:48 AM (#3582365)
Subject: RE: polly vaughan dick miles
From: Vic Smith

Nick Dow -
" If this makes me a soft old bugger so be it.
 Let's hear it for soft old buggers - especially ones that talk great sense... and are very talented performers.

Actually. we had someone who meets that description performing for us at our club earlier this year and I had people coming up to me and saying, "What a great performer! Where did you find him?" - and I just had to reply, "What? That soft old bugger? I've known him for decades."

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07 Dec 13 - 11:57 AM (#3582366)
Subject: RE: polly vaughan dick miles
From: GUEST,Guest

Tricky Dickie

Love him or hate him, the jury seems to be hung on this, you certainly cannot stop him keeping himself in the Mudflap Collective Eye!

I just love his reasoned debating skills.

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07 Dec 13 - 12:43 PM (#3582371)
Subject: RE: polly vaughan dick miles
From: Vic Smith

No, no, Willie Thorne, this just will not do.
You are either going to have to improve the rhyming pattern of your limericks or stick to the green baize. Lines 1, 2 and 5 should rhyme and so should lines 3 and 4. Well. it does not take a Betjeman to notice that they don't.
Let's see if we can improve matters without changing the thrust and intention of your composition. Actually, the first two lines are fine and could be allowed to stand, but things go downhill rapidly after that...
Firstly, let's lose gig at the end of line 5 and chose another word.....slick would do.
Secondly, the word chosen for first of the pair of rhymes in line 3 & 4, back, is too close to the -ck sound at the end of line 1. Let's go for some entirely different rhymes..... a random choice might be forgotten and rotten.
That would enable a reconstruction that read like this:-

There was an old man named Dick
who thought that mud wouldn't stick.
Would he let be forgotten
Reviews that were rotten?
No! Career-wise this move wasn't slick.

PLEASE NOTE This reconstruction has only been made in an attempt to improve the quality of the limerick and for no other reason.

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07 Dec 13 - 12:53 PM (#3582375)
Subject: RE: polly vaughan dick miles
From: Jeri

You have extra syllables in the final line. I suggest just dropping the "No!".

I've found reference to a review written in 1979/1980, but surely there's something more recent?

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07 Dec 13 - 01:40 PM (#3582387)
Subject: RE: polly vaughan dick miles
From: GUEST,Willie Thorne, snooker legend.

Thanks for the tips master Vic
I admit I am not terribly slick
at making things up
once I've had a fair sup
and am too lazy to trim the wick

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07 Dec 13 - 01:54 PM (#3582391)
Subject: RE: polly vaughan dick miles
From: The Sandman

my question remains , unanswered , why, put up an unfavourable review of someone elses gig [mine], if your intent is not spite, it is not bullying for me to ask this question, you then come on to this thread and ask why?and then post a video of yourself, you try to insinuate that i have sent you an unpleasnt personal message, which in fact was an exact replica of that which i said in public.
for the last time, get off my back.

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07 Dec 13 - 02:19 PM (#3582395)
Subject: RE: polly vaughan dick miles
From: Vic Smith

Dear Willie,
I'm glad you replied. "Not slick!" you said; I think you sighed. Poets often use booze for the words that they choose - Minerva and Bacchus their guide.

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07 Dec 13 - 02:19 PM (#3582396)
Subject: RE: polly vaughan dick miles
From: johncharles

the review was in an entirely different thread you raised it here. I assume I thought it was relevant in the previous thread. I have no interest in wasting my time re-reading an aged thread to prolong an argument. The "why?" I admit was rather curt, for that I apologise, but I was wondering why you posted the video; as I have said was it for review,discussion etc.
The video I posted was in response to that of will fly and as I said it was a demonstration of what even a cheap notebook could do in terms of recording.
Receiving messages saying get off my back could hardly be construed as friendly.
If I have answered all your questions may I now go to the pub for a pint.
john

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07 Dec 13 - 02:52 PM (#3582401)
Subject: RE: polly vaughan dick miles
From: Vic Smith

"Then got drunk and fell in a ditch".....
"once I've had a fair sup".....
"Poets often use booze for the words that they choose".....
"Minerva and Bacchus their guide.".....
"may I now go to the pub for a pint.".....

I would like to point out that there is far too much alcohol being consumed in this thread. Perhaps it is this that is behind Joe Offer's statement above that:-
"we found out long ago that being a Professional Folk Musician is not a good way to become rich and powerful and famous and attractive."
..... even though I would like to challenge the veracity of part of Joe's claim. In fact, I know how to have a career as a professional folk musician and end up with £1,000,000


....you start off with £3,000,000.

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07 Dec 13 - 03:06 PM (#3582405)
Subject: RE: polly vaughan dick miles
From: Reinhard

How does one do it, Vic? Start with £2,000,000?

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07 Dec 13 - 03:34 PM (#3582410)
Subject: RE: polly vaughan dick miles
From: GUEST,Stim

I would suggest to Dick that if he had a TV(and watched it), he'd have a better sense of what what a good video should look like, but given the way this discussion is going, it would seem more like "Let's kick Dick around some more", and less like a helpful suggestion, so I won't bring it up.

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07 Dec 13 - 04:55 PM (#3582417)
Subject: RE: polly vaughan dick miles
From: Steve Shaw

I'm not likely ever to visit Ballydehob or go back to Cornwall, but if I did go to Cornwall, Steve Shaw sounds like he'd be interesting to hang out with

:-)   

One does drink beer, does one, Jack? Given a good tune or two of a Friday night, I could get it for you free...

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07 Dec 13 - 06:26 PM (#3582443)
Subject: RE: polly vaughan dick miles
From: GUEST

Anyone who got only one bad review in a music career hasn't been getting out much. Hell, I got panned and raved about by two different reviewers in the city's two English newspapers about the same performance. Sheesh. Who really gives a rat's ass? I'll outlive them both.

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