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15 Nov 99 - 04:04 PM (#136454) Subject: Lyr Add: HURON CAROL From: Marion Ok, here are lyrics to the Huron Carol. The tune is great, very minor; sheet music can be found in the hymnbook of the Anglican Church of Canada (the older, blue books) if you know where to put your hands on one of those. There are Huron words as well, but don't ask me for them. I found the use of Latin a little odd, but that's life. HURON CAROL
Twas in the moon of wintertime, when all the birds had fled
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15 Nov 99 - 04:10 PM (#136461) Subject: Tune Add: HURON CAROL From: MMario I could have sworn this was where I got this two years ago, but evidently not. so here is the midi and abc for the melody line
MIDI file: huron2c.mid Timebase: 192 Name: huronc2 This program is worth the effort of learning it. To download the March 10 MIDItext 98 software and get instructions on how to use it click here ABC format: X:1
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15 Nov 99 - 04:34 PM (#136470) Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Huron Carol From: Barry Taylor Here is the story of the author of lyrics The Huron Carol... Father Jean de Brebeuf (1593 - 1649). I understand that the melody was a French tune that he adapted so that he could share his message with the Huron people. This song is a musical legacy that is probably the oldest "Canadian" tune on record, predating the birth of the country itself by about 230 years.
I have a midi with French and English lyrics here. |
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15 Nov 99 - 11:46 PM (#136665) Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Huron Carol From: Liz the Squeak Thank you kindly, and if I ever get the hang of blue clicky things and red clicky things, I daresay I shall be even more grateful.. LTS |
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16 Nov 99 - 05:54 PM (#137005) Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Huron Carol From: Penny S. Thanks for reminding me of this. Does anyone in the UK have the piano accompaniment published by the BBC in Singing Together? Our tidying has tidied it away. Penny |
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16 Nov 99 - 11:09 PM (#137162) Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Huron Carol From: Amaranth Tom Jackson, a First Nations performer from Manitoba, sponsors a concert using the same name. The first was a failure but now the concert performs in major centres across Canada every Christmas season ... all profits go to homeless shelters and food banks. He has released a recording of Huron Carol and other songs the profits of which go to the same causes. |
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17 Nov 99 - 01:01 AM (#137213) Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Huron Carol From: Barry Taylor Talk about timing, Penny! While surfing today I tripped across Piano notation for this tune as well as the lyrics in three languages. The file is downloadable in PDF format, which you can print with the (free) Acrobat Reader. |
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17 Nov 99 - 07:35 AM (#137282) Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Huron Carol From: Penny S. Thanks Barry, I'm having a bit of trouble getting at it, though. Penny |
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17 Nov 99 - 02:39 PM (#137458) Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Huron Carol From: McGrath of Harlow Here's what it's like in Huron, as written by Jean de Brebeuf. (The "8" is not a misprint - it's the way of writing a sound that we don't exactly have in English - "The Hurons have no M. "8arie" = "Ouarie" = "Marie"):
Estennialon de tson8e Ies8s ahatonnia!
Aloki onkinnhache eronhialeronnon
Te ek8atennonten ahek8achiendaen The translation that came with it is from "A Christams Book", published in 1928, by DB Wyndham Lewis and GC Heseltine is as follows:
O mortal men, take courage! Jesus is born.
Listen to the angels in tye skies!
Now let uis all come and pray to Him,
If there are any Huron speakers, maybe they could say which translation is more accurate.
It looks a brilliant language, doesn't it? like something out of Lord of the Rings, probably some kind of Elvish or even more, Entish. Of course with Tolkien, that might not have been accidental, he did his linguistic research seriously, and where would you find a more appropriate model for wood dwellers than in the Great Woods? ^^ Incidentally someone back in the thread said that snow mand ice don't match with being born in Palestine. Not true, they tell me - up in the Palestinian hills it's not uncommon to get them in midwinter. |
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17 Nov 99 - 07:03 PM (#137584) Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Huron Carol From: Kernow John Penny I have just scanned the pages from Singing Togetherand they are zipped and ready if you'll let me know an email addres to post 'em to. Regards Baz |
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17 Nov 99 - 11:07 PM (#137732) Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Huron Carol From: Susan A-R I saw the thread name for this one a few days ago, and this morning found myself singing the first verse on the way to work over the snow. Thanks for the rest of the words. |
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18 Nov 99 - 07:32 AM (#137835) Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Huron Carol From: Penny S. I'm logged on as another user, so I can't leave a personal message, but I'll get back BAZ, and let you know where to send to. Thanks. I've got one setting which uses a simulated Am chord drum beat most of the way through, but it gets a bit boring after a while. Penny |
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18 Nov 99 - 09:40 AM (#137856) Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Huron Carol From: Vixen Please Help-- I d/l the files from the site linked above, unzipped them, and read them, but I can't seem to print them. When they are open, the print option is grayed out, and when I try to print them from the desktop, I get an error to the effect that printing is an unauthorized operation. How can I get these files in hard copy? The carol is beautiful and I'd like to learn it. V |
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02 Dec 99 - 11:54 AM (#143674) Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Huron Carol From: MMario what program are you using to open the files? |
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02 Dec 99 - 01:25 PM (#143702) Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Huron Carol From: Vixen MMario, I'm using adobe acrobat 3.0. It will allow me to print other things, but not these two files. I tried to use "insert object" to insert them as pdfs into word and print from word, but I can't do that either, though I can't recall the error I got when I tried it. any ideas? V |
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02 Dec 99 - 01:44 PM (#143705) Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Huron Carol From: MMario yup....those files are print protected..... I have a jpg of score I can send. lpola@edutech.org if you want me to e-mail you back a jpg..... |
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15 Nov 00 - 08:35 PM (#341453) Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Huron Carol From: John in Brisbane From Folk Songs of Canada by Fowkes and Johnston. "Jesous Ahotonhio" (now known simply as "The Huron Corol") is the first Canadian Christmas carol-—and probably the first corol of the New World. It is perhops the most represontotive of oil Canadian folk songs (or it symbolizes our triple heritoge: it wos written In the Huron language to a French tune, and is todoy widely known through its Engli»h translation The words ore believed to hove been composed by Folher Jean de Brebeuf, a Jesuit missionary who worked among the Huron Indians from 1626 to 1649. (The Huron county stretched between Lake Simcoe and Georgian Boy, about fifty miles northwest of Toronto). Using the tune of a sixteenth-century French carol, "Une jeune pucelle" ("A Young Maiden"), Father Brebeuf told the Christmas story in terms the Indians would understand, speaking of Jesus as "the Great Spirit" and of the Wise Men as "three chiefs". His carol was probably sung first in 1641 or 1642, and thereafter each Christmas until 1649. In that year the Iroquois invaded Huronio, killing or driving out the Hurons, and torturing Fathers Brebeuf and Lalement at the stake. Some of the Hurons escaped to Lorette, near Quebec City, and it was from their descendants that another Jesuit, Father de Villeneuve, heard the carol and wrote it down about a century later. Then it was translated into French under the title. "Jesus est ne". and sung in that form in Quebec. In 1926 a Canadian poet. J. E. Middleton, wrote the English words, which are on interpretation rather than a literal translation of the original.
Regards, John |
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15 Nov 00 - 09:24 PM (#341481) Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Huron Carol From: Allan C. This is a totally great song! It was because of my enthusiasm for it and another song I learned here on the Mudcat (I Want A Hippopotamus for Christmas) that I was able to get past my fear and to make my stage debut after having been away from it for about twenty years. This took place almost exactly a year ago. Thanks Mudcat!! Allan C. |
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16 Nov 00 - 05:13 AM (#341587) Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Huron Carol From: GUEST,John in Brisbane Well done Allan! Peforming and entertaining others is a great gift. Regards, John |
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16 Nov 00 - 07:58 AM (#341618) Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Huron Carol From: sian, west wales If anyone in Britain wants a faxed copy, I could arrange that ... but not til next week. I've got the necessaries at home, but won't be back in the office (and fax) until Monday... sian, west wales |
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18 Sep 02 - 04:22 PM (#786949) Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Huron Carol From: GUEST,Marion Does anyone know the French words, and when the French translation was done? I'm looking for Christmas songs that would have been sung in Canada in the 1860's or earlier (a period music gig). I see from John's research that the English version isn't old enough, but maybe the French is. Thanks, Marion |
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18 Sep 02 - 04:42 PM (#786963) Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Huron Carol From: MMario the french would be - early 1800's if I recall correctly; possibly earlier |
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18 Sep 02 - 05:02 PM (#786981) Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Huron Carol From: McGrath of Harlow Well if it was written by Fr Jean de Brebeuf in French and then turned into Huron, that would have been mid-seventeenth century of course. But maybe there'd be a later translation back from the Huron. |
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18 Sep 02 - 09:26 PM (#787139) Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Huron Carol From: Barry T McGrath has it right. The original version of the tune was in French and dates from around 1642. It was then translated into Huron to help introduce members of that nation to Christianity.
The French lyrics are available on my relocated tunebook site.
The English version we recognize today is a relatively recent iteration, having been crafted in 1926 by Canadian poet J.E. Middleton. |
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18 Sep 02 - 11:35 PM (#787202) Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Huron Carol From: Genie If anyone has ready access to "Singing The Living Tradition," (the current Unitarian-Universalist Hymnal), the song is there--1st 2 verses only, of course ;-). They have the refrain as "Jesous Ahatonia, Jesous Ahatonia." This is one of my favorite Christmas song, and I'd love to have either the French lyrics or a vocal rendition of the Huron lyrics. (I haven't a clue as to how to pronounce the Huron words, and I wouldn't try it from just a printed "pronunciation guide.") I'm having trouble accessing some of the links you folks have provided. It may be just temporary technical difficulty. I'll try again later. Genie |
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19 Sep 02 - 12:53 AM (#787230) Subject: Lyr Add: JÉSUS EST NÉ From: Barry T In case you can't make the connection, Genie (and for the benefit of future visitors to this thread... Jésus est né
Chrétiens, prenez courage
Oyez cette nouvelle
Voici que trois Rois Mages
Jésus leur met en tête
Pour l'enfant qui repose |
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19 Sep 02 - 07:32 PM (#787846) Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Huron Carol From: Genie Merci, Barry! |
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21 Sep 02 - 04:05 PM (#788633) Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Huron Carol From: Marion Thanks for the French version, Barry. So my understanding is that the music was an old French Christmas carol, then Fr. Brebeuf put Huron lyrics to it that described the birth of Christ as it might have happened in Canada (rather than translating the French)? Then it was translated back into French and later into English keeping the Canadian setting - so there's both an old and new French version, both about Christmas, but one is conventional and one uses Canadian images like the English version I posted at the top? Marion |
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21 Sep 02 - 04:31 PM (#788647) Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Huron Carol From: McGrath of Harlow And here are the Huron words. But I agree that it might not be too good an idea singing them without checking with a speaker. |
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21 Sep 02 - 10:13 PM (#788814) Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Huron Carol From: masato sakurai This carol is contained in Sanbika 21 [The Hymnal 21] (Nihon Kirisutokyoudan, 1997, No. 254), standard Protestant hymnal in Japan, as "Kotori mo tobisaru fuyu no sanaka" (tune name: UNE JEUNE PUCELLE). The first stanza is as follows:
Kotori mo tobisaru fuyu no sanaka, ~Masato
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22 Sep 02 - 10:20 PM (#789305) Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Huron Carol From: masato sakurai There are various translations of "Huron Carol" HERE. ~Masato |
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22 Sep 02 - 11:29 PM (#789348) Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Huron Carol From: GUEST Always hated this carol. Just another reminder of the destruction of aboriginal culture and the imposition of a foreign culture and mythology. |
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16 Nov 05 - 07:22 AM (#1606285) Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Huron Carol From: Liz the Squeak I'm still trying to get a choir to learn this and to this end have tried printing it out. As with the poster above, I can't get the best version to print (Adobe reader whatever version) but managed to get a midi from another site and have a Noteworthy programme that will produce dots from the midi file. Must warn you though, it's at a rollicking pace and that makes it hard to fit the words in! LTS |
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16 Nov 05 - 11:05 AM (#1606457) Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Huron Carol From: masato sakurai The site linked to above (posted Date: 22 Sep 02 - 10:20 PM ) has moved to HURON CHRISTMAS CAROL - JESOUS AHATONHIA of FATHER ST. JEAN de BREBEUF. |
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13 Nov 06 - 02:52 PM (#1884880) Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Huron Carol From: Q (Frank Staplin) Refresh. Note link by Masato, above. |
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03 Dec 08 - 07:49 AM (#2506737) Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Huron Carol From: Genie I've found quite a few renditions of this song on YouTube. Some are just instrumental, most are in English, but this one - The Huron Carol sung in Wendat (Huron), French and English by Heather Dale is especially beautiful and haunting. |