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15 May 97 - 04:23 AM (#5243) Subject: Need missing lyrics for hymn From: maevsec@europa.com Here's what I have: Verse 1 This old world is full of trial Full of trouble, weak and sore ------------ Love will come to you the more Verse 2 We're all children of one father We're all brothers and sisters too If you cherish one another Love and pity will come to you Does anyone know this song? Are all the words right? And what is the missing line? Thanks! Sarah Cardin |
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19 May 97 - 10:30 AM (#5375) Subject: RE: Need missing lyrics for hymn From: Frank Maher fmaher@nfld.com Hello Sarah, Do You have the Name of the Hymn? I have a lot of Hymns on old Records and it would be easier to look up the Hymn if I had the Name.In the meantime I will try and find it. All the best, Frank Maher,Paradise,Newfoundland,Canada. fmaher@nfld.com |
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19 May 97 - 11:15 AM (#5382) Subject: RE: Need missing lyrics for hymn From: Joe Offer Hmmm. It doesn't look like we're going to be able to come up with this one. It fits the meter of any of a number of gospel songs - "Life Is Like a Mountain Railroad," for example. Maybe it would be worthwhile to try the Cyber Hymnal: http://www.accessone.com/~rwadams/h/ Send a message to them using their "feedback" function, and maybe they can lead you in the right direction. Even if they can't, it's an interesting site to look at, and it has some good links. Give it a try. -Joe- |
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20 May 97 - 12:19 AM (#5414) Subject: RE: Need missing lyrics for hymn From: Ricky Rackin This is on one of the old Goldening records as "This Old World" This old world is full of sorrowand in the Sacred Harp with the Chorus: I will rise and go to Jesus Also the British group "Regal Slip" does a splendid version!!! Ricky |
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21 May 97 - 12:27 AM (#5461) Subject: RE: Need missing lyrics for hymn From: Ricky Rackin Addendum: "Restoration Hymn" in Sacred Harp p.312 1991 edition "I will arise & go to Jesus" in Spiritual Life Songs p.23 |
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24 May 97 - 02:56 AM (#5639) Subject: RE: Need missing lyrics for hymn From: Joe Offer I should have known...the song is on "Golden Ring: a Gathering of Friends for Making Music," reissued in 1996 on Folk Legacy CD-16. Folk Legacy is at (800)836-0901. They have four Golden ring CD's, four by Bok-Muir-Trickett, and lots of other good stuff. They'll be glad to offer suggestions and opinions. Thanks for calling my attention to this song - it's a good one, isn't it? -Joe- |
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06 Jan 04 - 05:51 PM (#1087388) Subject: RE: Need missing lyrics for hymn From: wysiwyg This it? HEAR THIS ~S~ |
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07 Jan 04 - 12:06 AM (#1087618) Subject: ADD: I Will Arise and Go To Jesus, I From: wysiwyg Found these at http://free.gentle.org/users/gospelhymns but I am having trouble with their site. The tune does play at this page: http://church-of-the-holy-ghost.freeyellow.com/page17.html I'm trying to get in there to snag the MIDI. Sounds like the version at Voices Across America linked in my above post. Words differ some, see next post. ~S~ ================================================================= I WILL ARISE AND GO TO JESUS, I verses by J. Hart Come, ye sinners, poor and needy, Weak and wounded, sick and sore: Jesus ready stands to save you, Full of pity, love and power: Refrain: I will arise and go to Jesus, He will embrace me in His arms; In the arms of my dear Saviour, O there are ten thousand charms. Now, ye needy, come and welcome: God's free bounty glorify: True belief and true repentance-- Every grace that brings you nigh-- Let not conscience make you linger, Nor of fitness fondly dream; All the fitness He requireth Is to feel your need of Him; Come, ye weary, heavy-laden, Bruised and mangled by the Fall; If you tarry till you're better, You will never come at all: View Him prostrate in the garden, On the ground your Maker lies! On the bloody tree behold Him, Hear Him cry before He dies, Lo, the incarnate God, ascended, Pleads the merit of His blood: Venture on Him, venture wholly, Let no other trust intrude: (PUNCTUATION AS GIVEN AT SOURCE SITE) ~SH Melody at Cyberhymnal (click) |
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07 Jan 04 - 12:13 AM (#1087623) Subject: ADD: I Will Arise and Go To Jesus, II From: wysiwyg I WILL ARISE AND GO TO JESUS, II As sung by Jane Sparks Tatum Reston, VA Come, ye sinners, poor and needy, Weak and wounded, sick and sore; Jesus ready stands to save you, Full of pity, love and power. Refrain: I will rise and go to Jesus; He will embrace me in His arms; In the arms of my dear Savior, O! There are ten thousand charms. Come ye thirsty, come, and welcome, God's free bounty glorify. True belief and true repentance-- Every Grace that brings you nigh. Come, ye weary, heavy-laden, Lost and ruined by the Fall; If you tarry till you're better, You will never come at all. ~SH |
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07 Jan 04 - 12:38 AM (#1087630) Subject: RE: Need missing lyrics for hymn From: LadyJean Carol's and Capers by Maddy Prior and the Carnival band has a Christmas hymn sung to the same tune. |
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07 Jan 04 - 04:45 AM (#1087715) Subject: RE: ADD: This Old World / I Will Arise and Go to Jesus From: masato sakurai Restoration [score, midi & words] in Southern Harmony (no. 5b). |
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07 Jan 04 - 09:33 AM (#1087907) Subject: Restoration Hymn Tune: Various Texts From: wysiwyg The CYBERHYMNAL VERSION has another MIDI as well as an interesting variation for one verse: View Him prostrate in the garden; On the ground your Maker lies. On the bloody tree behold Him; Sinner, will this not suffice? According to OREMUS ONLINE HYMNAL, the tune has been used for a number of other texts: <> Far, far away from my loving Father (presently inaccessible from the Oremus site) <> I was a wandering sheep (Cyberhymnal text and alternate tune MIDIs) <> Jesus calls us! o'er the tumult which also appears in the current Episcopal Hymnal (1982) The Southern Harmony tune Masato linked above (where the melody is in the second line) gives this hymn and single verse: Mercy, O thou Son of David Mercy, O thou Son of David! Thus blind Bartimeus prayed: Others by thy grace are saved, O vouchsafe to me thine aid. Other texts with the same meter (8, 7) can be used as well. ~S~ |
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07 Jan 04 - 09:51 AM (#1087925) Subject: RE: ADD: This Old World / I Will Arise and Go to Jesus From: masato sakurai Doc Watson sings CHRISTMAS LULLABY (lyrics here) to this tune. |
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08 Jan 04 - 12:10 AM (#1088470) Subject: RE: ADD: This Old World / I Will Arise and Go to Jesus From: LadyJean Maddy Prior and the Carnival band have recorded the same song on "Carols and Capers". (I'm a big Maddy Prior fan, can you tell?) |
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11 Jan 11 - 03:39 PM (#3072355) Subject: RE: Lyr: This Old World / I Will Arise and Go to Jesus From: GUEST,Gingersnap I have this hymn in a Unitarian hymnal. It is from The Southern Harmony, 1835. This old world is full of sorrow Full of sickness, weak and sore; If you love your neighbor truly, love will come to you the more. |
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11 Jan 11 - 03:43 PM (#3072358) Subject: RE: Lyr: This Old World / I Will Arise and Go to Jesus From: GUEST,Gingersnap Oh sorry! I see that my post is redundant! |
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11 Jan 11 - 03:46 PM (#3072363) Subject: RE: Lyr: This Old World / I Will Arise and Go to Jesus From: GUEST,Rochelle What type of folk song is it? Is it American? Irish, etc.. On my itunes list I like to separate which songs are from which countries and I have been struggling to define this one for awhile. There's just an absolute lack of information about this on google. |
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11 Jan 11 - 07:15 PM (#3072518) Subject: RE: Lyr: This Old World / I Will Arise and Go to Jesus From: Janie Hi Rochelle, Others are more qualified to make a coherent response to you inquiry than am I, but I'm glad you found and refreshed this thread. Susan, what a nice recording you posted (06 Jan 04 - 05:51 PM.) That is the melody my grandfather's United Baptist Church used for a hymn they regularly sang that combined verses from "Come Thou Fount....." "Far,Far Away....," and "Come Ye Weary....." It used the chorus "I will arise...." |
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11 Jan 11 - 07:41 PM (#3072533) Subject: RE: Lyr: This Old World / I Will Arise and Go to Jesus From: GUEST,Rochelle Thanks Janie, I hope so. I don't know if I've heard the second hymn (I attended Catholic church as a child, so they may not have had this hymn-if it's Unitarian solely) but I have a recording of This Old World by a folk called Bergerfolk. (they are American, which made me guess it to be some type of American gospel or hymn) I'm having trouble finding another version of this song too, it's like it doesn't exist when I type it in google. |
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11 Jan 11 - 11:18 PM (#3072642) Subject: RE: Lyr: This Old World / I Will Arise and Go to Jesus From: Janie I'm really not very qualified to comment, Rochelle, but there is not a huge amount of interest on Mudcat regarding all the permeations of old hymns. I hope some one with more knowledge and expertise than I possess will chime in, but will offer what I can. Take it with a grain of salt. Part of the problem may be that this is a "family" of hymns that share or interchange lyrics and tunes. There are not a lot of posts to this thread, but it is clear from the posts and from following the links that are still good, that when you or anyone else references "this song", it is not entirely clear which set of lyrics and tune is "this song." In the course of doing a little research when you bounced this thread awake again, I ran across a good article that offers what I hope is at least in part an explanation of why you may not be able to pin the particular version of "this song" down. I posted a link to that article to an old thread about Old Regular Baptist hymns, but will repeat it here. Old Regular Baptist Singing Among "independent" churches in places throughout the Appalachians and other rural areas, lined out singing was (and in some places still is) very common, and there can be many local, even "micro" traditions that get passed down. What you will find, I think, as you try to pin your song down via research, , is that it really can't be pinned down. The example I described in my previous post about my grandfather's church is but one example. I learned "Come Thou Fount" with the same tune as Susan posted in the link I referenced above, long before I had my grandfather's version of what he called "I Will Arise," which uses all the verses of "Come Thou Fount...." plus another 6 or 7 verses common to some of the hymns mentioned above, including "This Old World." That tune is similar to but not the same tune that is generally associated with "Come Thou Fount...." I was very excited the first time "Come Thou Fount" was part of the service at the Episcopal church I attend, and then more than a little disappointed when the tune was different, although the lyrics, as far as they went, were all included in the hymn my Grandfather sang. There are more floating verses and choruses among old hymns than one can shake a stick at. Tunes float too. I think the article I have linked to might shed some light. All the best. Janie |
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11 Jan 11 - 11:46 PM (#3072651) Subject: RE: Lyr: This Old World / I Will Arise and Go to Jesus From: Janie Having said there is not that much interest, if you go to the top of the page and click on "Lyrics & Knowledge," it will take you to a search box. Enter some of the lyrics mentioned in this thread, or "Come Thou Fount," etc. and it is likely several threads will show up. Some of the discussion will end up being circular, because these old hymns with all their variations, verse and tune exchanges, etc., are organic and there is no one, clear, origin. Still might be informative for you. |
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12 Jan 11 - 12:46 AM (#3072673) Subject: RE: Lyr: This Old World / I Will Arise and Go to Jesus From: LadyJean Walker Calhoun, one of the grand old men of the Eastern Band Cherokee has recorded This Old World in Cherokee. |
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12 Jan 11 - 01:54 AM (#3072695) Subject: ADD Version: I Will Arise and Go to Jesus From: Joe Offer I'd say this song is in the "folkie gospel canon," such as it is. That "ten thousand charms" phrase is memorable, and the tune is a gem. I think the Golden Ring recording is what really put it in the "canon," but I may be prejudiced because I think anything Sandy Paton did was golden. But then, the Patons also did "I Will Arise" on the Sharon Mountain Harmony album, and I think their rendition is too "bouncy" on that album. Helen Bonchek Schneyer did a wonderful rendition of "This Old World" on her Somber, Sacred, and Silly album. Janie, I think you and I should learn this one. We could do a good job of it. -Joe- It's also in the Rise Up Singing Songbook: I WILL ARISE AND GO TO JESUS (words by Robert Robinson, England, ca. 1740) Come now fount of every blessing, Tune my heart to sing thy praise. Streams of mercy never ceasing, Call for songs of loudest praise. I will arise and go to Jesus, He will embrace me in his arms. In the arms of my dear Savior, O there are ten thousand charms. Teach me some melodious song, As sung by flaming tongues above. Praise the mount, I'm fixed upon it, Songs of thy redeeming love. Here I'll raise my songs in praises, Hither by thy help I'm come. And I hope by thy good pleasure, Safely to arrive at home. I've always thought of this as a shape note hymn. I don't know if it's in the Sacred Harp hymnals, but the tune is in that style. I don't think I've heard it sung to the usual tune for "Come thou font" (Nettleton); but now that I think of it, it works pretty well. The melody I like best for "I Will Arise" is Restoration. That's the one you and I should learn, Janie, with these lyrics. -Joe- |
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12 Jan 11 - 06:20 PM (#3073348) Subject: RE: Lyr: This Old World / I Will Arise and Go to Jesus From: Janie If I ever get my voice back, would love to, Joe! |
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13 Jan 11 - 03:25 AM (#3073545) Subject: RE: Lyr: This Old World / I Will Arise and Go to Jesus From: TopcatBanjo We do sing these words in a Sacred Harp song known as Restoration (Firs) - number 312b in the book. It's sung quite regularly, here in the UK at least, but there don't seem to be any Youtube clips of a full class singing it. The "Banjoape" girls do a very nice version, however: Sacred Harp & banjo - Restoration |
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13 Jan 11 - 06:27 AM (#3073609) Subject: RE: Lyr: This Old World / I Will Arise and Go to Jesus From: TopcatBanjo oops - that should of course read "Restoration (First)". |