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19 Jun 14 - 12:33 PM (#3634616) Subject: Lyr Req: 'Faithless is womankind' From: Thompson I've just come across a reference to a Citizen Army man in St Stephen's Green in 1916 refusing to sing a nationalist song for fear he'd hurt the feelings of the British soldiers he was guarding; instead he sang Faithless is Womankind. Does anyone know what this song is? I was wondering if it might be an opera tune - Ireland was cracked on opera that time. Or possibly music hall? |
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22 Jun 14 - 07:09 AM (#3635540) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: 'Faithless is womankind' From: Thompson Anyone? |
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22 Jun 14 - 07:34 AM (#3635542) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: 'Faithless is womankind' From: GUEST,# Hi, Thompson. I spent a good 45 minutes looking and came up empty. Keep the thread going for another few days and perhaps someone will recognize it. The only two places on the web the phrase occurs (dedicated Google search) is in a book--nothing to do with your search--and here at Mudcat. |
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22 Jun 14 - 07:47 AM (#3635547) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: 'Faithless is womankind' From: Thompson I have a feeling it must be an operatic reference, and this was the translation current at the time - maybe Cosi Fan Tutti… |
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22 Jun 14 - 07:54 AM (#3635548) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: 'Faithless is womankind' From: Thompson Aaah, I think I know what it must be - La Dona è Mobile - very popular in Ireland at the time and recorded by John McCormack. |
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22 Jun 14 - 07:59 AM (#3635549) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: 'Faithless is womankind' From: GUEST,# http://classicalmusic.about.com/od/opera/qt/ladonnaemobile.htm Certainly the theme of 'faithless woman' is established early on. |
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22 Jun 14 - 08:05 AM (#3635552) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: 'Faithless is womankind' From: Thompson Also, the title translates, and the rhythm of the phrase is the same; I wonder was there an English translation sung in the same cadence. |
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22 Jun 14 - 08:28 AM (#3635555) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: 'Faithless is womankind' From: GUEST,# http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/La_donna_%C3%A8_mobile Worth a look. |
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22 Jun 14 - 04:57 PM (#3635728) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: 'Faithless is womankind' From: MGM·Lion Notice also that "Faithless is Womankind" has exactly the same prosodic quantity, so can be perfectly sung to the same tune, as "La Donna è Mobile". ~M~ |
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22 Jun 14 - 05:33 PM (#3635748) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: 'Faithless is womankind' From: GUEST,# MtheGM: see post five. |
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22 Jun 14 - 08:14 PM (#3635814) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: 'Faithless is womankind' From: MGM·Lion Yes, Mr Sharp; what of it? I was just pointing out how this translation of that first line [which, note, is not one that appears in any of the English versions ref'd] fits the rhythm of the air, thus adding further confirmation that the Verdi is almost certainly the correct identification requested by OP. Can't quite see the point of your would-be putdown? ~M~ |
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23 Jun 14 - 04:16 AM (#3635914) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: 'Faithless is womankind' From: GUEST,Eliza Oh dear, this made me smile. We used to sing a rude song to that tune, which began, "Arseholes are cheap today, Cheaper than yesterday! Little ones are half-a-crown Standing up or lying down..." |
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08 Nov 15 - 01:41 PM (#3749294) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: 'Faithless is womankind' From: Thompson Bump |