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04 Apr 15 - 03:28 PM (#3699650) Subject: _... Trail Of Negro Folk-Songs_ online From: GUEST,Joseph Scott Dorothy Scarborough's _On The Trail Of Negro Folk-Songs_, 1925, contains many valuable songs and can be read online here: http://www.traditionalmusic.co.uk/negro/ |
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04 Apr 15 - 03:45 PM (#3699654) Subject: RE: _... Trail Of Negro Folk-Songs_ online From: maeve Here's the clickable link: http://www.traditionalmusic.co.uk/negro/ "On The Trail Of Negro Folk-Songs-online book A collection of negro folk songs with lyrics, sheet music & commentaries. By Dorothy Scarborough Assisted By Ola Lee Quiledge Copyright, 1925 By Harvard University Press " This looks like an amazing resource. Likely somebody here has already pointed it out, but I've not seen it before. Amazing to see it all online There are also good links with instrumental, vocal, and educational resources. Here's the table of contents. I. ON THE TRAIL OF NEGRO FOLK-SONGS..... 3 II. THE NEGRO'S PART IN TRANSMITTING THE TRADITIONAL SONGS AND BALLADS......... 33 III. NEGRO BALLADS.................. 63 IV. DANCE-SONGS, OR "REELS''............ 96 V. CHILDREN'S GAME-SONGS............. 128 VI LULLABIES...................... 144 VII. SONGS ABOUT ANIMALS.............. 161 VIII. WORK-SONGS.................... 206 IX. RAILROAD SONGS.................. 238 X. BLUES........................ 264 |
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04 Apr 15 - 03:51 PM (#3699657) Subject: RE: _... Trail Of Negro Folk-Songs_ online From: Monique It can be downloaded here |
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05 Apr 15 - 07:20 AM (#3699739) Subject: RE: _... Trail Of Negro Folk-Songs_ online From: GUEST,Fred McCormick Thanks for pointing that one out. OTTONS is a book I've long wanted to get hold of and never been able to run to earth. Now I have it turns out to be a fascinating compendium. I was of course delighted to see such a plenitude of "old British" ballads. Little Sir Hugh, The Hangman and Barbara Allen, to name but three, and who would have expected to come across such a complete version of The Outlandish Knight? |
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05 Apr 15 - 03:41 PM (#3699842) Subject: RE: _... Trail Of Negro Folk-Songs_ online From: GUEST I am fortunate to have a copy of the book - and also one of "Songcatcher..." |
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06 Apr 15 - 06:12 AM (#3699972) Subject: RE: _... Trail Of Negro Folk-Songs_ online From: GUEST,Fred McCormick I presume you're referring to Songcatcher in the Southern Appalachians; Dorothy Scraborough's "other" book, as I tend to think of it. Does anyone know whether that is available anywhere on the Internet? If it is I have certainly had no luck tracing it. |
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06 Apr 15 - 06:22 AM (#3699974) Subject: RE: _... Trail Of Negro Folk-Songs_ online From: GUEST,Blandiver (Astray) Is this N-word acceptable in any context? Especially in the context of racist colonial plundering that no one here seems to have problem with... |
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06 Apr 15 - 08:17 AM (#3700005) Subject: RE: _... Trail Of Negro Folk-Songs_ online From: GUEST,Fred McCormick Word "Negro" acceptable? I would have thought so. It's the word n....r that people object to. In any event, remember that the book was published donkeys' years ago, when people were far less sensitive to such matters. Indeed, having glanced at some of the text, it seems to be redolent of the kind of patronising racism which was extremely typical of folksong collectors of the period. With a vintage classic like this, the only thing you can do is to accept the book, racist overtones and all; and be thankful we live in more enlightened times. |
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06 Apr 15 - 09:27 AM (#3700020) Subject: RE: _... Trail Of Negro Folk-Songs_ online From: GUEST,# Fred, the title of that book is "Songcatcher in Southern Mountains" by Dorothy Scarborough That may be why it's difficult to locate. |
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06 Apr 15 - 09:55 AM (#3700032) Subject: RE: _... Trail Of Negro Folk-Songs_ online From: GUEST,Fred McCormick Sorry. Slip of the finger on my part. Anyway, searching for it under the right title still doesn't yield anything. That's particularly odd since the book has been out of copyright for several years now. I'd have thought that some bespoke publisher or other would have issued a print-on-demand edition, but apparently not. |
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06 Apr 15 - 10:16 AM (#3700036) Subject: RE: _... Trail Of Negro Folk-Songs_ online From: GUEST,# I'm encountering various titles, too, but all lead nowhere. Songcatcher in Southern Mountains A Songcatcher in Southern Mountains Songcatcher in the Southern Mountains |
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06 Apr 15 - 10:54 AM (#3700051) Subject: RE: _... Trail Of Negro Folk-Songs_ online From: GUEST "Word "Negro" acceptable? I would have thought so. It's the word n....r that people object to." Fred, a previous thread here made it plain that Americans, being such delicate flowers, cannot cope with any word except "black". |
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06 Apr 15 - 11:11 AM (#3700058) Subject: RE: _... Trail Of Negro Folk-Songs_ online From: Monique Guys, Dorothy Scarborough wrote two books about folklore: "On the Trail of Negro Folksongs" (1925) available at archive.org (link I provided above two days ago) and "Song Catcher in Southern Mountains; American Folk Songs of British Ancestry" (1937, posthumous) -no digital version available so far, Google dixit. |
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06 Apr 15 - 11:26 AM (#3700063) Subject: RE: _... Trail Of Negro Folk-Songs_ online From: GUEST,Fred McCormick Guest. I'm from the British side of the pond, so I can't help you with that one. All I can tell you is that over here, n....r is not acceptable, where Negro is. That would depend on how it's used of course, but personally, I look forward to the day when any such words will have ceased to have any racial connotations - because racism itself will have gone the way of the dodo. |
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06 Apr 15 - 01:41 PM (#3700087) Subject: RE: _... Trail Of Negro Folk-Songs_ online From: GUEST,Blandiver (Astray) n....r is not acceptable, where Negro is Tell you what, Fred - you try calling a Black British person a 'Negro' - or use the word in any way to apply to any aspect of Black British culture and see how acceptable it is over here. |
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15 Apr 15 - 01:32 PM (#3702006) Subject: RE: _... Trail Of Negro Folk-Songs_ online From: GUEST,Joseph Scott Scarborough used the word "Negro" in the title of her book because it was considered a respectful term in the U.S. in 1925, as it still was in _Jet_ magazine 40 years later, for instance. What the utility of this book has to do with what words are in fashion today is nothing at all. |
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15 Apr 15 - 01:40 PM (#3702007) Subject: RE: _... Trail Of Negro Folk-Songs_ online From: GUEST,Joseph Scott "I was of course delighted to see such a plenitude of 'old British' ballads. Little Sir Hugh, The Hangman and Barbara Allen, to name but three, and who would have expected to come across such a complete version of The Outlandish Knight?" It's her whole Chapter Two. That chapter has the most British ballads by black U.S. singers collected together in one place I've seen anywhere, unless I'm forgetting something. |
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15 Apr 15 - 01:57 PM (#3702011) Subject: RE: _... Trail Of Negro Folk-Songs_ online From: GUEST,Joseph Scott Scarborough was born in Texas in the 1870s. Wishing she had the same attitudes we have about blacks and whites is pointless. In general, cheerful patronization aside, her commentary is often not very well-informed. For instance, Abbe Niles, a notable blues enthusiast of the day, noticed that she didn't have much of an idea what "blues songs" were and weren't. It's the songs she prints themselves that are extremely valuable. For instance, the lyrics she obtained for "Hop Joint" are valuable when compared to the song about "Went in the drugstore, store full of smoke" that L.J. Farmington remembered, the song about "I went down to the depot to get my baby's trunk" that F. Le Tellier remembered, the "Hop Joint" that John Hurt learned in about 1902, the song about "Baby, take a look at me" that Gates Thomas remembered, and the song about "Comin' down State Street, comin' down Main" that Howard Odum collected before 1909. |
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15 Apr 15 - 03:29 PM (#3702026) Subject: RE: _... Trail Of Negro Folk-Songs_ online From: GUEST,Fred McCormick Joseph Scot. I absolutely agree. Whether the word Negro has pejorative overtones nowadays is not the point. It was in use in Dorothy Scarborough's time and there's nothing we can do to alter that. Importing the racial attitudes of previous generations would be deplorable, but the past is a different country with different norms and values. Let's leave it at that, and let's at least try not to impose our own beliefs on that different country. Interesting point about the numbers of Black versions of Child ballads. I suspect that if other collectors had gone looking for same they would have fond them. EG., Arthur Palmer Hudson who collected some wonderful "old British ballads" among the White folks of Mississippi, but didn't seem to see the point of asking Black people if they knew any. |
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16 Apr 15 - 01:20 PM (#3702253) Subject: RE: Book: On the Trail Of Negro Folk-Songs - online From: GUEST,Joseph Scott Is Bob Waltz still on mudcat? I'd like to send him my "Hop Joint" research (and some other comments) for his and Engle's "The Ballad Index" pages. If anyone wants to send me his email, mine is joenscott@mail.com. |