Cross Dressing Cats

29 Nov 99 - 10:58 PM (#142441)
Subject: Cross Dressing Cats
From: Lee Lovely

What was the worst experience you ever had when en femme? Gender role transitioning can have its difficulties, but even the difficulties can be a learning experience. For those of you who don't know me, I am a transitioning MtF TS living about 50% full time and am still with my wife who comes from an upper middle class Mexican family.

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29 Nov 99 - 11:12 PM (#142450)
Subject: RE: Cross Dressing Cats
From: Bugsy

I've never had such an experience, but, Good luck to you!

What's your worst experience Garg'

Cheers

Bugsy

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29 Nov 99 - 11:15 PM (#142453)
Subject: RE: Cross Dressing Cats
From: Áine

Dear _gargoyle,

I'm so happy that you've finally come out to us, dear. But here's the real test, since I'm sure you look a lot better than I do in a teddy . . . Are you ready? Sing along now,

Everybody wants to be a cat, 'Cuz a cat's the only cat that knows where its at . . .

Good on ya, gg!

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29 Nov 99 - 11:16 PM (#142454)
Subject: RE: Cross Dressing Cats
From: Bugsy

sorry - Double finger slip! Didn't mean to post those last Two comments. (Big Embarrased Grin!)

I don't have such problems as I either don't sing songs related to the other gendre, or alternatively, I change the words to suit me, or, introduce the song making special reference to the fact that this is from a woman's perspective.

Cheers

Bugsy

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29 Nov 99 - 11:30 PM (#142460)
Subject: RE: Cross Dressing Cats
From: Laura

TROLL the ancient yuletide carol.

Xdressing/TS not the same.

Worst experience- Xdresser cousin died of AIDS.

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29 Nov 99 - 11:32 PM (#142462)
Subject: http://anon.free.anonymizer.com/RE: Cross Dressing Cats
From:

The first true friend I informed was a woman I knew in collage. I have been setting her up to tell about what was going on for three months. It was a low risk move since we have been distant for the last 4 years. Early on I made her aware that I had a "secret." I finally told her the secret in late January over lunch. Last time we had lunch was before Christmas and she started spotting the changes in my appearance right away. First that my beard was gone. Next she noticed had grown my fingernails and had polish on them. (clear) She then figured out I have both ears pierced. Honesty compels me to admit I gave her a broad hint on that one. Our lunch conversation was pretty broad. That is I wasn't doing much to hide myself. She eventually looked across the table and said, "So are you planning on changing identity?" I responded "Yes." She continued on with her conversation as if she had misunderstood. Then suddenly said, "So are you and Samantha staying together?" It turns out her husband is a CD. Very closeted but dressing regularly at home.

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29 Nov 99 - 11:47 PM (#142473)
Subject: RE: Cross Dressing Cats
From: ddw

Jeez, is this one for the no-BSers to jump on. I mean WHO CARES? There are very few things I find more boring (or, if it persists, more annoying) than discussing someone else's sexuality or lifestyle preference — no matter what the stripe.

david

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30 Nov 99 - 12:00 AM (#142476)
Subject: RE: Cross Dressing Cats
From: Dave Swan

I tried cross dressing cats, but the cost in bandages and iodine was prohibitive.

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30 Nov 99 - 12:04 AM (#142479)
Subject: RE: Cross Dressing Cats
From: BSer

David, you just don't understand. The subject really has nothing to do with the thread. Anything will do when it's time for the BS out-inane-the-other ritual. The ritual now provides some with full time employment. Keeps them off the streets and all that. Poor Mudcat, now he/she's even been crossed dressed.

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30 Nov 99 - 12:21 AM (#142484)
Subject: RE: Cross Dressing Cats
From: ddw

Sorry, BSer, but maybe it's you who doesn't understand. I love the BS threads — a lot of them are witty and fun and a highlight of my day. It's in-your-face sexuality-as-definition-of-me people who get up my nose. It's like a religious person telling me how offensive my non-belief is to him without asking if his belief is offensive to me. I don't care about a person's sexual (or dress) preferences unless there's some prospect that we're going to get a lot closer than most people ever will chatting or swapping lies on the Internet.

I will concede that it might be an out-BS-you ritual — in this company I wouldn't be too surprised — but if it isn't, it's just a bit over the top.

david

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30 Nov 99 - 01:36 AM (#142513)
Subject: RE: Cross Dressing Cats
From: Rick Fielding

"Cross Dressing Cats". You DO mean that song from the 60s by the Lovin' Spoonful don't you? Now how DOES it go?

Cross dressin' cats, play cool as country water
Cross dressin' cats, play wild as mountain dew.
Cross dressin' cats, been playin' since they's babies
Cross dressin' cats, get work before they're two.

With apologies to John Sebastian. (or anyone else who's in the process of taking this thread seriously)
Rick

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30 Nov 99 - 01:56 AM (#142521)
Subject: RE: Cross Dressing Cats
From: katlaughing

LOL, Rick! MY cats really prefer the bods and fur they were born into, but they do show same-sex tendencies once they've lost the contents of their little hangy-down pouches.

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30 Nov 99 - 04:07 AM (#142549)
Subject: http://anon.free.anonymizer.com/RE: Cross Dressing Cats
From: Rotten Richard

I feel like my wife's best girlfriend. She's helped me to go shopping, and our wardrobes have really gotten extensive. She sits on the bathroom counter as I brush eyeshadow on her eyelid. There, just a hint of highlight under the brow, and she's done. I think she looks pretty cute. She likes it!

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30 Nov 99 - 04:52 AM (#142551)
Subject: RE: Cross Dressing Cats
From:

In my gaming world, I came out to Kate. She was the woman who when faced with my painting my nails bright red for games and dressing for the "wedding game" treating my behavior as if it was normal. She took the news well. Only time will tell, as experience has taught me if this is true. She indicated that she had figured out that something was going on but she hadn't figured out if I was a crossdresser or a transsexual. She supplied the word crossdresser indicating she is not one of your clueless people. She wanted to know what name to use; Doug or Diana. I said until I tell the others in the game to call me Doug. We tentatively agreed to go garage shopping when spring sets in. That will be fun.

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30 Nov 99 - 09:36 AM (#142582)
Subject: RE: Cross Dressing Cats
From: folk1234

Clearly NOT a Mudcat Classic!

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30 Nov 99 - 09:38 AM (#142583)
Subject: RE: Cross Dressing Cats
From: Liz the Squeak

Have been closely involved with a MtF GR (sorry, gender reassesment), if you want to talk, go private....

LTS

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30 Nov 99 - 09:46 AM (#142586)
Subject: http://anon.free.anonymizer.com/RE: Cross Dressing Cats
From: Lee Lovely

So nice to find some other girls here.To make your teeth look brighter, wear a darker shade of lipstick.

To make your nails longer and stronger, make it a habit to "ping" them frequently and somewhat forcefully on a hard surface. The vibrations increase bloodflow to the nail beds and promote more rapid growth.

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30 Nov 99 - 09:52 AM (#142593)
Subject: RE: Cross Dressing Cats
From: Áine

Josser.

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30 Nov 99 - 11:32 AM (#142643)
Subject: RE: Cross Dressing Cats
From: Art Thieme

Jesus tried cross dressing---and the damn thing killed him ! ;-)

Art

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30 Nov 99 - 01:33 PM (#142712)
Subject: RE: Cross Dressing Cats
From: Easy Rider

"Cross your leggs, J.C. We've only got three nails."

"And the colored girls go Do do do do do do, do do do do do do..."

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30 Nov 99 - 01:48 PM (#142724)
Subject: RE: Cross Dressing Cats
From: Marion

Ok, here's my humble attempt to turn this into a music thread...

I recently saw "Priscilla, Queen of the Desert" which is about a band of drag queens travelling around Australia and doing gigs in various bars and clubs. Their show consisted of three cross-dressers or transexuals dressing up outrageously (I won't say they dress like women, cause not many women would dress like that) and strutting around the stage lip-synching to recorded songs. This confused me. Is there really such an entertainment genre, and if so, why? They didn't sing, they didn't dance, they didn't play instruments; so what would an audience be coming to see them do? Their only "talent" was the desire/willingness to dress up in their costumes, but I don't understand how that would hold an audience's attention for more than a few minutes. Unless maybe they were also stripping and that was just glossed over in the movie, but this wasn't a gloss-over kind of movie.

Can anyone explain this to me? I don't mean to judge the performers as moral individuals, but rather to judge them as entertainers. Are there really such "bands", and if so, how do they manage to get gigs/audiences?

Marion

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30 Nov 99 - 07:13 PM (#142875)
Subject: http://anon.free.anonymizer.com/RE: Cross Dressing Cats
From:

Yes

I propose that the observer has two perceptual modes when deciding as to a person's genetic sex status. In the first mode, which I shall call the "naive" mode, the observer does not actively inspect the person for cues as to his/her genetic sex. Thus, features incongruous with the person's gender presentation are likely to be noticed only by accident. In the second mode, which I shall call the "inspection" mode, the observer has a pointed interest in determining whether the person is transgendered and will therefore scrutinize the person for gender incongruencies. In this perceptual mode, the observer's chances of determining the person's genetic sex depend both on the observer's assessment skills and on the subject's prevalence of gender-incongruous cues. While some observers will be better at assessing genetic sex than others, there is an overall probability of being "read" by a member of the population at large, based on the average observer's assessment skills. Let the "naive" mode probability of "passing" (not being read) for a single observer be N, and let the "inspection" mode probability be I.

Hope this helps Marion.

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30 Nov 99 - 07:21 PM (#142880)
Subject: RE: Cross Dressing Cats
From: Áine

Josser.

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30 Nov 99 - 08:38 PM (#142903)
Subject: RE: Cross Dressing Cats
From: Bugsy

Is "Josser" a word that means Kidder, or is it a polite way to say "TOSSER" .........I suppose either fits doesn't it?

CHeers

Bugsy

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30 Nov 99 - 08:41 PM (#142905)
Subject: RE: Cross Dressing Cats
From: Bugsy

Oh, and in my first post I wasn't suggesting that _Gargoyle was Lee Lovely, I was just asking his opinion. I rather enjoy his comments sometimes.

CHeers

Bugsy

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30 Nov 99 - 10:59 PM (#142993)
Subject: RE: Cross Dressing Cats
From: sophocleese

I'm sorry garg. But you lost me with the word "Tirage" Its not a word I'm at all familiar with. That's a good thing; I like finding new words but what does it mean? It doesn't seem to mean tirade but I'm not sure if its close to triage either. Can you elucidate for me? Thanks.

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01 Dec 99 - 12:17 AM (#143037)
Subject: RE: Cross Dressing Cats
From: Jeri

I believe he meant "triage" I think, from the French "tri," meaning sorting or choosing. In a medical setting, a triage team assesses the sick and injured to determine who needs to be treated first. The term doesn't work in this context, but "damage control team" might.

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01 Dec 99 - 01:36 AM (#143058)
Subject: RE: Cross Dressing Cats
From: sophocleese

Thanks Jeri. I thought that was what he meant but triage didn't quite fit with what he meant so I thought I'd check.

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01 Dec 99 - 07:58 AM (#143115)
Subject: RE: Cross Dressing Cats
From: InOBU

My Worst experience re: They sent me up to London, for to guard the Tower/ And Im sure I would be there, til my very dieing hour/ But a lady fell in love with me, I told her I was a maid/ She went unto my captain and my secret she betrayed...

The Captain he came up to me and asked if this was so/ O I dare not, I dare not, I dare not say no/ tis a pity we should loose you - such a sailor man ye made/ Tis a pity we should loose such a handsom young blade!

Just to get this back to the purpose of MC Larry Otway

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01 Dec 99 - 08:30 AM (#143123)
Subject: RE: Cross Dressing Cats
From: catspaw49

I think we are overlooking the possibility that he may have meant a "Tirade" team indicating the need to go off on a tirade against perceived bad threads. "Triage" is a good possibility too and Jeri defines it well. Perhaps it IS "Tirage" and he's telling us his are old and flat and he's in hopes of having a new set of Michelin's donated.

Spaw

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01 Dec 99 - 09:34 AM (#143137)
Subject: RE: Cross Dressing Cats
From: lloyd61

I have always wanted the ability to comment in a thread without refreshing it. This is a perfect example of such a thread.

I have a friend who has a daughter who changed to a man, it almost killed my friend and his wife.

By the way , the new son is doing great, it all worked out, but it is to bad the parents had to go through it

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01 Dec 99 - 10:31 AM (#143159)
Subject: RE: Cross Dressing Cats
From: catspaw49

But can he still play bassoon lloyd? That's the question of course.

Spaw - another former bassoonist

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01 Dec 99 - 11:38 AM (#143189)
Subject: RE: Cross Dressing Cats
From: Rick Fielding

Oh bugger, usually when I write a silly parody it takes the thread in the WRONG direction, now I'm in danger of doing the RIGHT thing. Oh what's a poor boy to do?
Anyone got the lyrics to "The Cross Dressing Cat Came Back"? The Gurl Ives version will do.
Rick

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01 Dec 99 - 12:00 PM (#143196)
Subject: RE: Cross Dressing Cats
From: catspaw49

Talk to Bert over on the "Complaint Generator" thread Rick.

Spaw

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01 Dec 99 - 12:17 PM (#143203)
Subject: RE: Cross Dressing Cats
From: lloyd61

catspaw49...

There are two of us, Bassoonists. Thats almost enough to start a movement. We could call it the BM.

Bassoonist Movement I mean.

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01 Dec 99 - 02:11 PM (#143252)
Subject: RE: Cross Dressing Cats
From: Liz the Squeak

So is the bassoon the musical instrument equivalent of a big red Courvette??!

LTS

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01 Dec 99 - 03:08 PM (#143287)
Subject: RE: Cross Dressing Cats
From: Marion

Um... while it's nice to get a Golden Mudcat medal, even if it means I have to be on a team whose mission statement I don't grasp, it was really an answer that I was looking for. My question about drag queen performances was sincerely asked.

Anonymous person who posted under me: do you mean that the entertainment value of watching drag queens comes from trying to identify their gender, kind of like those "find 10 things wrong about this picture" puzzles? Or were you just kidding?

Marion, Queen of the Worm Bin

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01 Dec 99 - 03:10 PM (#143289)
Subject: RE: Cross Dressing Cats
From: catspaw49

No Squeaks, the bassoon is a lot more like a Humber saloon than a 'Vette.

Spaw

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01 Dec 99 - 06:02 PM (#143367)
Subject: RE: Cross Dressing Cats
From: Jeri

Marion, I think the shows are meant to be humorous because of the absurdity. Knowing the female singers are really male is like a big practical joke that everyone's in on. Why is someone who does impressions funny? The drag queens do an impression of an entire sex instead of an individual. I haven't seen the movie you mentioned yet, but maybe the characters' act was supposed to be not-so-good?

The genre's been around for quite a while, although I don't know when it actually started. For other movies involving this type of entertainment as a central theme, see "La Cage aux Folles," and "Victor/Victoria." I think "Cabaret" had a bit of cross-dressing in it, too.

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01 Dec 99 - 06:40 PM (#143384)
Subject: RE: Cross Dressing Cats
From: katlaughing

"To Wong Foo, From Julie Newmar" was an excellent movie of that type, with Wesley Snipes & Patrick Swayze starred in. It is meant to be hunourous and is usually a great send-up, but there is also a poignancy to it, which brings a bit of melancholy. It is part a flaunting in the face of staid, conservatism; part just plain campy fun; and part, IMHO, a desire to express oneself differently. Then there are the ones who do itf or a living because it is what they are good at, regardless of their sexual preference. BBC had an excellent series called Soho Stories which, over the course of several shows, followed the career of Danny, who was gorgeous either way. He wanted to get out of it and do acting, whcih he did get to do, but he was most successful as a drag queen singer. It really was a very good documentary.

Hope this helps, Marion.

kat

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01 Dec 99 - 07:27 PM (#143406)
Subject: http://anon.free.anonymizer.com/RE: Cross Dressing Cats
From: Lee Lovely

Well EXCUSE ME! There was nothing funny about this. So sorry to rain on your little parade. Good bye!

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01 Dec 99 - 07:31 PM (#143411)
Subject: RE: Cross Dressing Cats
From: Margo

LMAO you guys! When "anonymous" said her husband was a CD I pictured this round disc having coffee at breakfast across the table! When I had switched gears from music to total BS I got it.

Rick, totally funny: Gurl Ives!

Triage: I think the tri is literally three. They decide 1)who is too far gone to bother with 2)who needs immediate attention, and 3) who can wait for attention.

My worst experience with CDressers: Way back when I used to ride public transportation in San Francisco. One day at Castro street (of course) a lady/man got on and sat next to me. He/She was quite gregarious and chatted away as I oh-ed and uh huh-ed. Finally, she pulled a huge butcher knife out of her purse and explained to me that we "girls" have to have protection. I got off at the next stop.....

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01 Dec 99 - 09:18 PM (#143450)
Subject: RE: Cross Dressing Cats
From: lloyd61

"So sorry to rain on your little parade. "

Sure am glad to hear it's raining I thought someone was PISSING on it.

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