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22 Oct 15 - 08:09 AM (#3745872) Subject: Lyr Req: 'Bumper' definition needed From: GUEST,JennaFreeman Hi Does anybody know what is meant by 'bumper' in the following context: 'When a bumper is filled it is vexing no doubt, to find when you rise that the wine has run out.' I have come across it a couple of times related to alcoholic activities but cannot find a definition for it in this context. Thanks Jenna |
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22 Oct 15 - 08:19 AM (#3745874) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: 'Bumper' definition needed From: MGM·Lion https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/bumper is the URL of the Wikidictionary entry. ≈M≈ |
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22 Oct 15 - 08:23 AM (#3745877) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: 'Bumper' definition needed From: Jack Campin Looks like nobody knows the whole story. http://blog.oup.com/2012/12/drinking-vessel-bumper-etymology-word-origin/ |
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22 Oct 15 - 05:10 PM (#3745962) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: 'Bumper' definition needed From: leeneia I've been thinking about it,and it seems we have a tendency to use the -er sound for tableware: platter pitcher trencher ewer salt cellar So why not 'bumper'? |
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22 Oct 15 - 07:03 PM (#3745981) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: 'Bumper' definition needed From: Gurney Wiki says 'a small glass of sherry or port when filled to the brim.' So presumably it denotes a generous measure. |
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22 Oct 15 - 07:05 PM (#3745982) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: 'Bumper' definition needed From: Gallus Moll Chambers Scots Dictionary: to fill to the brim; to drink healths in a bumper Chambers 20th Century Dictionary: a cup or glass filled to the brim for drinking a toast; anything large or generous in measure I seem to recall a (whaling? fishing?) song with a verse about the ship (or hold?) being bumper full -- - - - also I've come across it in more than one song with the 'drinking' meaning -- canny remember exactly what anes jist the noo - -- |
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22 Oct 15 - 07:17 PM (#3745984) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: 'Bumper' definition needed From: Gallus Moll just checked online (quicker that trying to find my 101 or Scottish Folk books) Fareweel Tae Tarwathie for the 'bumper full' verse - - it's there! However I was amazed to discover a site that offered Judy Collins, singing her 'own composition' of said song- - and no opportunity for me to make corrections. either to the incorrect words (she had 'under full' whatever that is supposed to mean - oh sorry, guess it's the folk process......)or to gently point out that it is a much older song from the NE of Scotland! |
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22 Oct 15 - 07:17 PM (#3745985) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: 'Bumper' definition needed From: GUEST,Ed From 'Spanish Ladies': Now let every man drink up his full bumper Now let every man drink up his full glass |
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22 Oct 15 - 07:40 PM (#3745988) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: 'Bumper' definition needed From: GUEST,Ebor Fiddler The term "Bumper" as I understand it comes from drinking healths and bumping the flagons, glasses etc in a party situation. The glasses always started off very full. Later it became a verb, "drinking Bumpers". "Bumper full" of course was to be as full as possible, like the party glasses. But where did the name "Bumper Castle" come from? I can understand it as a pub name, but I know at least one farm with that name. Chris B. |
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22 Oct 15 - 10:52 PM (#3746012) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: 'Bumper' definition needed From: BrooklynJay I have long had issues with the Judy Collins website, and the incorrect posted lyrics to her adaptation of Farewell to Tarwathie. If you listen to the recording she made many years ago (from the album Whales and Nightingales), she clearly says, "bumper full." I don't know who runs her website (I doubt it's Ms. Collins herself), but they should listen a little more carefully to some of the song lyrics. Jay |
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23 Oct 15 - 12:10 AM (#3746019) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: 'Bumper' definition needed From: MGM·Lion Couple of examples off top of my ☺ ♫ So let us fill a bumper And drink success to trade And likewise to that cabin boy Who was neither man nor maid ♫♫ "The Handsome Cabin Boy" ♫ With a ship that's bumper-full, my lads, And money to our name ♫ "The Bonny Ship the 'Diamond'" ≈M≈ |
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23 Oct 15 - 01:22 AM (#3746028) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: 'Bumper' definition needed From: MGM·Lion And of course it's the same usage as we recall from our childhood Xmas-gift books like "The Beano Bumper Xmas Comic" or "The Boys' Bumper Book Of Sports and Hobbies/Girls' Bumper Book Of Fashion" &c &c &c... NB these all ones I dredge up from my actual memory; so don't blame me, blame the publishers, for implied sexism in these last examples. |
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23 Oct 15 - 04:20 AM (#3746044) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: 'Bumper' definition needed From: Kampervan The above is interesting and, no doubt, correct. Although, for no apparent reason, in the context of the annual Christmas editions of those books, I always associated Bumper with meaning big. Whereas in the context of the drinking examples it could be applied to any size container, it just had to be full. Perhaps my childish assumptions were wrong. |
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23 Oct 15 - 05:33 AM (#3746063) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: 'Bumper' definition needed From: MGM·Lion I think both meanings, big & full, can be subsumed according to context. Certainly with the comic books, bigness would be an implication; and I can't feel that usage would let bumper apply to a demitasse as well as a pint-pot! It might originally have meant any container that was full right up, but development of usage has surely brought about an assumption of a fair old size! ≈M≈ |
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23 Oct 15 - 05:36 AM (#3746064) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: 'Bumper' definition needed From: MGM·Lion ... Chambers sez "...a cup or glass filled to the brim for drinking a toast; anything large or generous in measure..." |
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23 Oct 15 - 06:20 AM (#3746072) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: 'Bumper' definition needed From: RTim Bold Reynard collected from Albert Doe - New Forest Gypsy 1909 in the Gardiner collection - Last verse. It's now Bold Reynard he's dead They'll turn to the Dolphin and dine They'll dip his fur paw in the bumper And drink my lord's health in good wine. Tim Radford |
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23 Oct 15 - 06:50 PM (#3746256) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: 'Bumper' definition needed From: McGrath of Harlow I'd go for Ebor Fiddler's suggestion it's to do with clinking glasses or flagons together making toasts and drinking each other's health. |
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31 Oct 15 - 08:45 AM (#3747666) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: 'Bumper' definition needed From: GUEST,JennaFreeman Thank you so much for all this - this was the first question I'd asked on here and you've all been so helpful! |