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22 Jan 16 - 01:32 PM (#3767414) Subject: Songs About Circumcision From: Jack Campin I found Milton's poem "Upon the Circumcision" a few days ago. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Upon_the_Circumcision You have to hand it to him for taking on a challenging subject. So I wondered if there are traditional songs about it. (Maybe to the tune of "Click Go The Shears"). In the Muslim world it's a nice earning opportunity for dance bands, since the boy is usually paraded through the streets on the way to the operation to the same sort of accompaniment used for weddings. (Funny how there's not much of a party after). But I can't think of any music used for the Jewish or Christian versions. |
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22 Jan 16 - 01:42 PM (#3767416) Subject: RE: Songs About Circumcision From: keberoxu What about Klezmer music? I faintly recall a documentary film featuring bands of younger musicians who recreate the old classic Klezmer music. One of the first songs performed for the camera, in Yiddish, with subtitles, was in praise of whisky. And the lead singer, a young man, sang away while the subtitles underneath read: "I can still remember my circumcision. The whisky never left the table." |
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22 Jan 16 - 02:34 PM (#3767424) Subject: RE: Songs About Circumcision From: mg we used to have a catholic holy day of obligation for it. they seem to have changed it to another them without telling us why really..or maybe they did and it was one of those times i was not listening. |
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22 Jan 16 - 02:55 PM (#3767428) Subject: RE: Songs About Circumcision From: keberoxu Message 2 on this thread from keberoxu (me): The author is Mikhl Gordon, and the title of the song is "Di Mashke," or "whisky." This lyric is not in the DT but one of Gordon's lyrics is, "Di Bord" -- the beard. In the documentary, the singer is one Michael Alpert. Gordon is actually poking fun at the Hasidim. For every ceremonial event, there is wine, and this of course includes the ceremony of circumcision. But in Gordon's first-person satire, whisky has been substituted for wine, and that is just fine with the narrator who sings that whisky for him personally has taken on the status of one of the Hasid elders, and he cannot imagine an important event in life without it. |
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22 Jan 16 - 03:18 PM (#3767431) Subject: RE: Songs About Circumcision From: Joe Offer A search for "bris" in the Digital Tradition brings up one song, the aptly-named A Little Bit Off the Top. Lots more mentions of "bris" in the Forum, but I don't have time to search through them all just now. MG, the Feast of the Circumcision of Christ, January 1, is still celebrated. It is now primarily known as "The Solemnity of Mary, the Holy Mother of God" and by its oldest title, the "Octave Day of the Nativity of the Lord." -Joe- |
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22 Jan 16 - 03:21 PM (#3767432) Subject: RE: Songs About Circumcision From: Joe_F When I Was Eight Days Old |
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22 Jan 16 - 04:08 PM (#3767437) Subject: RE: Songs About Circumcision From: GUEST,Musket First cut is the deepest Snip go the shears Etc etc ad nauseum. |
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22 Jan 16 - 05:22 PM (#3767445) Subject: RE: Songs About Circumcision From: GUEST How do you circumcise a whale? Send down four skin divers. Boom boom |
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22 Jan 16 - 05:50 PM (#3767448) Subject: RE: Songs About Circumcision From: Dave the Gnome Mac the knife? |
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22 Jan 16 - 06:03 PM (#3767451) Subject: RE: Songs About Circumcision From: GUEST,Musket My one skin lies over my two skin My two skin lies over my three My three skin lies over my four skin So pull back my You get the picture. Love hurts Love me tender Jesus H Christ! I said Tender!!! Anyway, what were we talking about? Luv&hugs from Tignes. |
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22 Jan 16 - 08:18 PM (#3767465) Subject: RE: Songs About Circumcision From: Rapparee All Around My Hat? |
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22 Jan 16 - 09:48 PM (#3767471) Subject: RE: Songs About Circumcision From: Joe Offer In response to the original post: Jack, I don't think there is a "Christian version" of circumcision in any denomination, but I may be wrong. Many Christians circumcise their male children, but not for religious reasons. I'm sure there must be a Christian religious sect somewhere that circumcises for religious purposes, but I don't know of any myself. Wikipedia seems to indicate that some Christian cultures in history have practiced circumcision for religious purposes. Muslim circumcision, called Khitan, includes female genital mutilation in some cultures. I'm not ready to give an outright condemnation of circumcision and other genital mutilation. I just don't know. -Joe- |
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23 Jan 16 - 01:52 AM (#3767490) Subject: RE: Songs About Circumcision From: GUEST,Musket At school, I recall that the (very few) who had been snipped were called Roundheads whilst we were Cavaliers. I do know that it is far more popular in non religious terms in The US than here in The UK. I have read that the reason why it has become linked with religious ritual is, in the same way as not eating omnivore meat, it was a sensible public health measure of the time that got wrapped in scripture. |
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23 Jan 16 - 03:34 AM (#3767497) Subject: RE: Songs About Circumcision From: Jack Campin The major Christian culture that practices it is the US - the rationalizations offered for it are medical, but it's really a manifestation of folk religion. Female circumcision is a similar deal - it's an African folk religious practice which has been given an after-the-fact religious justification in areas that have been Islamicized. It's still practiced by Christians and animists in the same areas. |
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23 Jan 16 - 03:58 AM (#3767500) Subject: RE: Songs About Circumcision From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity The Rabbi sings this while cutting... GfS |
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23 Jan 16 - 05:25 AM (#3767513) Subject: RE: Songs About Circumcision From: Nigel Parsons I'm sure I've mentioned it before, but . . . The tool reserved especially for this practice is made of wood. From the juniper tree . . . I'll get my pull-over. |
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23 Jan 16 - 06:52 AM (#3767521) Subject: RE: Songs About Circumcision From: GUEST, DTM Ring My Bell - Anita Ward |
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23 Jan 16 - 12:56 PM (#3767579) Subject: RE: Songs About Circumcision From: GUEST Yes but are you a Roundhead or a Cavalier? |
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23 Jan 16 - 01:30 PM (#3767583) Subject: RE: Songs About Circumcision From: keberoxu Medical doctors have stated that penile cancer only afflicts uncircumcised men; have not heard this contradicted. That isn't any kind of song though. |
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23 Jan 16 - 04:28 PM (#3767611) Subject: RE: Songs About Circumcision From: GUEST,McMusket Hi Keberoxu. Urban myth. McMusket. (A doctor.) Oncological conditions are by definition unorthodox cell growth and spread. It was thought for many years that the loose skin contained tissue that is susceptible to being pre cancerous but it turns out this is not the case. There is a strong suspicion that this myth has been perpetuated by many religious organisations. The term "medical doctors have stated" is generally left to adverts for body lotion, desperately wanting to say "here comes the science!" "Medical doctors" include a few million of us around the world with various degrees of knowledge and learning in many aspects. One way of sorting the wheat from the chaff is the desire for evidence based opinion. Whilst different dermis areas have different levels of probability (your head around the temple and nose for instance) the common cellular makeup of dodgy areas is not shared by foreskin, although you might find research saying otherwise, but the devil is in the detail. A long time since reading up on it but as a public health slave, monitoring incidence of circumcism is an important totem for social approach to health and sadly, religious inspired mutilation of children. (My views are coming out.) Still. Cheap enough. A snip at £150. I wouldn't make a song or dance about it though. Oh, and those baby bells? Ban the bastards now. |
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23 Jan 16 - 06:41 PM (#3767633) Subject: RE: Songs About Circumcision From: GUEST Beach Boys...."Round Round, I Get Around." (factious) In Judism and Christianity and Muselm belief... the circumcision reference is in regard to "a heart that is unresponsive to God" and is an allegory. Males and females are suggested to innoculation for the "butterfly virus" by age 12 by the CDC., NHI, or WHO. |
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24 Jan 16 - 06:06 AM (#3767671) Subject: RE: Songs About Circumcision From: Black belt caterpillar wrestler The Derbyshire carol "All in the Morning" has a verse about the circumcision. |
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24 Jan 16 - 10:29 AM (#3767721) Subject: RE: Songs About Circumcision From: Rapparee Aren't there lines in "Greenland Whale Fisheries" about it? I think it goes "...Then over with our blubber hooks/And rob him of his pride"? |
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24 Jan 16 - 10:30 AM (#3767723) Subject: RE: Songs About Circumcision From: Rapparee Sorry -- should be "Blow Ye Winds In The Mornin'". |
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24 Jan 16 - 10:59 AM (#3767729) Subject: RE: Songs About Circumcision From: Roger the Skiffler Mack the Knife RtS |
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24 Jan 16 - 03:39 PM (#3767802) Subject: RE: Songs About Circumcision From: Roger the Skiffler Cutty Wren RtS |
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24 Jan 16 - 03:55 PM (#3767803) Subject: RE: Songs About Circumcision From: Steve Gardham The penis, my tear,then the sword! |
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24 Jan 16 - 03:59 PM (#3767804) Subject: RE: Songs About Circumcision From: keberoxu McMusket is right and I was wrong. I'm sorry. |
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24 Jan 16 - 07:50 PM (#3767851) Subject: RE: Songs About Circumcision From: Steve Shaw I haven't checked, but I'd have thought that there might be something by Andy Cutting... |
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24 Jan 16 - 10:19 PM (#3767875) Subject: RE: Songs About Circumcision From: GUEST Mr.Black Belt... Please post at least a portion of the lyrics you reference. Recording date might also be helpful. |
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25 Jan 16 - 01:44 AM (#3767889) Subject: RE: Songs About Circumcision From: Joe Offer Hi, Garg - All in the morning has this verse:
And all in the morning, They circumcised our Saviour And our Heavenly King; Refrain -Joe- |
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25 Jan 16 - 11:12 AM (#3767989) Subject: RE: Songs About Circumcision From: Steve Shaw I wonder whether there's a relic somewhere, like all those relics of the true cross sort of thing, enough to make a whole forest. |
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25 Jan 16 - 11:20 AM (#3767996) Subject: RE: Songs About Circumcision From: GUEST,Musket Trust McMusket to be boring and factual. First Cut is the Deepest. |
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25 Jan 16 - 01:57 PM (#3768031) Subject: RE: Songs About Circumcision From: 12-stringer The cabin boy, the cabin boy The dirty little nipper He wiped his ass with broken glass And circumcised the skipper. For he knew -- ew -- ew The world was rou -- ou -- ound That masturbatin', baby-rapin' Son of a bitch Columbo. |
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25 Jan 16 - 03:10 PM (#3768049) Subject: RE: Songs About Circumcision From: Steve Gardham Or even the English version: from 'The Good Ship Venus' The cabinboy's name was Ripper The dirty little nipper He stuffed his arse with broken glass And circumcised the skipper Frigging in the rigging Tossing on the crossing Wanking on the planking There's fuck-all else to do. Tune: 'In and out the Windows' etc. |