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30 May 16 - 10:12 PM (#3792959) Subject: do you recognize this old piece? From: GUEST,leeneia I have a book of recorder exercises and dances by the Dutch musician G. Rooda. The book is well-known among recorder players and is simply known as "Rooda." It has a dance that is labelled "English duos - Bourree", but it doesn't sound like a bourree to me. Instead it sounds like a processional, similar to "The Prince of Denmark's March" or the "Trumpet Voluntary". I can easily imagine a trumpet playing it. I'm going to send the MIDI to Joe for posting, and I hope it appears here soon and somebody can tell me more about it. |
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30 May 16 - 11:11 PM (#3792962) Subject: RE: do you recognize this old piece? From: Joe Offer Leeneia's MIDI file was corrupted, so I didn't post it. Hang tight. I'm sure she'll send another. -Joe- |
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31 May 16 - 02:20 AM (#3792976) Subject: RE: do you recognize this old piece? From: Helen Hi Leeneia, This is just a stab in the dark, but is it this piece? Handel Bourree When I was learning piano a few years ago, it was one of the pieces I was learning. I like it a lot. Helen |
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31 May 16 - 02:23 AM (#3792977) Subject: RE: do you recognize this old piece? From: Megan L Helen Bach also did a Bouree in his English suite I have heard it played by flute and clarinet but I guess we will have to wait till Leeneia send Joe a new file |
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31 May 16 - 06:52 AM (#3793029) Subject: RE: do you recognize this old piece? From: Helen Thanks Megan, I just had a very vague recollection that Handel had spent some time in England, but I might be wrong. Yes, wait and see. Helen |
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31 May 16 - 07:39 AM (#3793034) Subject: RE: do you recognize this old piece? From: Megan L He did Lass he came to London and became a british citizen in 1727 |
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31 May 16 - 12:00 PM (#3793074) Subject: RE: do you recognize this old piece? From: GUEST,leeneia Hi, Helen. No, your Handel bourree isn't it. But I love it. Thanks for the link. I've sent the file to Joe again, this time with the chord symbols removed and a simpler name. Click to play (joeweb) |
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31 May 16 - 03:43 PM (#3793083) Subject: RE: do you recognize this old piece? From: Joe Offer The MIDI works this time. Link is in leeneia's post. Thanks, leeneia. -Joe- |
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31 May 16 - 03:54 PM (#3793084) Subject: RE: do you recognize this old piece? From: Helen Thanks Leeneia and Joe. I don't recognise the tune. I'm off to work now, so I'll listen again this afternoon when I have more time. Part of it reminded me of an Elisabethan song called I Care Not For These Ladies - Thomas Campion. (I'm not fond of this singer's style, so I'm sorry for inflicting it on you.) Helen |
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31 May 16 - 05:25 PM (#3793092) Subject: RE: do you recognize this old piece? From: Jeri Parts are reminiscent of O'Carolan's Concerto. |
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01 Jun 16 - 03:13 AM (#3793138) Subject: RE: do you recognize this old piece? From: GUEST,Mike Yates A few notes in the B part of the tune remind me of a phrase in the song "Three Maidens A-Milking Did Go" (the bit about "And the wind it did blow high/And the wind it did blow low"). |
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01 Jun 16 - 06:32 AM (#3793161) Subject: RE: do you recognize this old piece? From: Jack Campin I'd never heard of the Rooda book before and don't know where I'd find a copy. Can't somebody upload a scan or photo of the relevant page? |
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01 Jun 16 - 08:41 AM (#3793180) Subject: RE: do you recognize this old piece? From: Harry Rivers Is this it? English duos - bourees Harry |
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01 Jun 16 - 10:11 AM (#3793197) Subject: RE: do you recognize this old piece? From: Jack Campin If so, I don't recognize it, but I can see why it would be tempting to play it in march tempo - the breath marks (if that's what the little x's are) suggest a fairly slow pace. I don't see why it couldn't work much faster as a bourree, though. |
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01 Jun 16 - 10:13 AM (#3793199) Subject: RE: do you recognize this old piece? From: GUEST,leeneia That's the piece,but it's in a different key from mine - much higher. (F rather than C because your book is for F recorders such as alto.) I looked for the C book in Google books, and it says "no Ebook available." Too bad. I think the piece is interesting because it's 28 measures long and the first phrase is 6 measures long. Then it repeats. The remaining phrases are 2,2,and 4 measures long. It's a change from the 16-bar tune with phrases 4 measures long. It's also interesting because it's a good tune. If it came from a collection of duos, I would like to find the other part. |
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01 Jun 16 - 10:49 AM (#3793205) Subject: RE: do you recognize this old piece? From: Megan L If the page with 7 at the bottom is the same piece it has Handel written on it makes me wonder if it is this Handels Bourree flute solo Have a bit of a migraine today so musical recognition is not good. |
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01 Jun 16 - 04:58 PM (#3793301) Subject: RE: do you recognize this old piece? From: Helen Megan L, the Handel's Bourree is the same as the one I posted above, and it is not the same as the one leeneeia is asking about. I have just looked at those pages, before and after the piece in question. I suspect that the mystery piece is just an exercise made up for the book. The page before is titled Section 1. Intervals, and the first piece on that page is titled Seconds - Seconden, the page with the mystery piece has two pieces, the first English duos - Bourree, and the other one Triads - Tertsen. The next page continues the Triads piece and then Handel's Bourree is named, and the page after that is Fourths - Quarten. So, for two reasons I think that the mystery piece is a practice piece only. 1. there is no composer named as there is for the Handel's Bourree, and 2. following the names from the first page forward, the sequence goes seconds, duos, triads, fourths so it is following a numerical order. I'm not trained in musical theory, so I don;t know the difference between seconds and duos - if there is one or what is meant by triads or fourths unless it is - the penny might have just dropped - the intervals between each note in the piece, i.e. in the first piece, starting note, up 2 intervals (a whole tone), up two intervals, etc. If this is the case, the term "duo" doesn't refer to a duet but to the notes in the music. The Bourree is a style of tune, with a specific rhythm, so I suspect the tune was made up to suit that style. There is a Bach Bourree - audio file on the right hand side of this wiki page Helen |
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01 Jun 16 - 05:29 PM (#3793306) Subject: RE: do you recognize this old piece? From: Helen I just noticed that I didn't put the link in above for Thomas Campion - I Care Not For These Ladies |
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02 Jun 16 - 05:19 PM (#3793461) Subject: RE: do you recognize this old piece? From: leeneia That's not the explanation. The exercises are very regimented and repetitive. The bourree came from a some source called 'English Duos.' Bourrees must have lasted longer than I thought. |
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02 Mar 18 - 06:29 PM (#3909127) Subject: RE: do you recognize this old piece? From: GUEST I use Rooda regularly and I have tried unsuccessfully to find the origins of this English duos - Bourree. It seems to come from a collection of English duets. It is probably anonymous because the next "English duos - Bourree" in Rooda is attributed (to Handel). The same Bouree (transposed) is found in The Sweet Pipes Recorder Book (One) and described as English (18th century). So we will probably not find its origins in Bach or Handel but in some anonymous English dance. |