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28 Jun 16 - 09:18 PM (#3798199) Subject: BS: Mexican horror From: Jack Campin Most of this was news to me: http://m.imgur.com/gallery/yyu5p Whereas it is news when Trump talks about building his wall. How often does the US media ever report on what's the other side of it? |
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28 Jun 16 - 10:05 PM (#3798202) Subject: RE: BS: Mexican horror From: Joe Offer I think it's fairly well-known in the US, at least in California. The situation in Mexico has been very bad for a long time. That's one othe reasons for the immigration Trump wants to stop. |
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29 Jun 16 - 11:24 AM (#3798260) Subject: RE: BS: Mexican horror From: gnu Canada is about to waive visa requirements for Mexicans. |
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29 Jun 16 - 11:49 AM (#3798267) Subject: RE: BS: Mexican horror From: Jack Campin Well that's going a make a lot of difference, I don't think. Their country has been comprehensively fucked up by the US, with worse in store. Making it a bit easier for the few people who can afford the airfare to get out of it isn't exactly addressing the root of the problem. |
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29 Jun 16 - 02:27 PM (#3798295) Subject: RE: BS: Mexican horror From: gnu Oh fer fuck sake. That's why I haven't posted in a long while. It will be longer next time. Piss off. |
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29 Jun 16 - 02:57 PM (#3798300) Subject: RE: BS: Mexican horror From: olddude What is better is to have an easier way for people to legally come in vetted and forget f__k walls |
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29 Jun 16 - 06:15 PM (#3798333) Subject: RE: BS: Mexican horror From: Joe_F Why is the US needed to fuck up a country when it is alreay full of *peasants*? (Don't bother to tell me I am Blaming the Victim; I am already a dissenter from that stultifying taboo.) |
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29 Jun 16 - 06:49 PM (#3798338) Subject: RE: BS: Mexican horror From: Stim The Mexican economy is doing pretty well. Unemployment is relatively low, it's the world's 15th largest economy, has a lot of growth in areas like aerospace, automotive, energy, electronics, and has a growing private investment sector. In fact, the economy is doing well enough that a lot of the Mexicans who have come to the US to work are going back home, because of the job growth there. More Mexican workers leave the US each year than come here, which will result in labor shortages. There is a lot of corruption, a ridiculous amount of violent crime, and a great gap between rich and poor, particularly in rural areas. It is worth noting that possession of arms by civilians is illegal in Mexico, and it seems to prove the much reviled aphorism that "When guns are outlawed, only outlaws will have guns." Also worth noting, though the US has meddled excessively in Mexican affairs, the British actually have invaded and occupied Mexican territory more recently than we have. 1861, Mexican President Benito Juarez suspended Mexico's interest payments to its creditors in France, Spain and the UK. This act angered the three nations and in October 1861 the Convention of London was signed by the three nations who then sen joint navy ships to In December 1861 and took the port of Veracruz and nearby towns in a effort to force repayment. |
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29 Jun 16 - 06:56 PM (#3798341) Subject: RE: BS: Mexican horror From: Stim I mention all this, not to make any specific point, but because Mexico is generally ignored in our discussions, and it deserves more. |
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29 Jun 16 - 07:32 PM (#3798345) Subject: RE: BS: Mexican horror From: Jack Campin Exactly. What I had in mind was that it's not that much more pleasant a place to live in than Syria, with similar numbers of people left with no options but to get out no matter what it costs, and you'd expect it to feature in the same way in public awareness in the US as Syria does here. But it seems it doesn't. |
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29 Jun 16 - 09:31 PM (#3798355) Subject: RE: BS: Mexican horror From: Greg F. More Mexican workers leave the US each year than come here, Because all the U.S. corporations that have re-located there destroying U.S. jobs don't pay their Mexican workers shit, perhaps? |
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01 Jul 16 - 12:31 AM (#3798534) Subject: RE: BS: Mexican horror From: Stim It's not exactly like that, Jack. Mexico is a much more pleasant place to live than Syria, at least as Syria is right now(in former times, it would have been an interesting discussion). A lot of Americans(well, US citizens-Mexicans are Americans, too) have moved to Mexico-at least a million, because the cost of living is much lower and there are many beautiful places to live. Plus the lifestyle is not viciously competitive, and people are generally more relaxed and friendly. The idea that there are huge numbers of Mexicans who have no alternative but to get out is not exactly accurate, however there are a lot of areas, most notably near the US border, where violence related to drug trafficking is a major issue. Worth noting that, if not for the huge market for illegal drugs in the US, the drug cartels would not exist, which, to me, at least, is a greater concern than outsourcing of manufacturing. |
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01 Jul 16 - 09:34 AM (#3798591) Subject: RE: BS: Mexican horror From: Greg F. Worth noting that, if not for the huge market for illegal drugs in the US, the drug cartels would not exist Amen to that. |