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13 Sep 16 - 06:57 AM (#3809779) Subject: BS: HMS Terror found! From: beardedbruce http://theweek.com/speedreads/648320/mysterious-inuit-tale-leads-researchers-168yearold-wreck-hms-terror "This vessel looks like it was buttoned down tight for winter and it sank," said Schimnowski. "Everything was shut. Even the windows are still intact. If you could lift this boat out of the water, and pump the water out, it would probably float." |
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13 Sep 16 - 09:39 AM (#3809797) Subject: RE: BS: HMS Terror found! From: Rapparee Good. Another mystery solved; I hope that they can float it as it would be a treasure house of artifacts. Lady Franklin posted a reward, I believe. Can they still claim it? Will the Royal Navy reclaim the ship? I'd kinda like it as a personal yacht, if they can get it to Idaho. |
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13 Sep 16 - 10:37 AM (#3809808) Subject: RE: BS: HMS Terror found! From: beardedbruce HMS Terror was a bomb vessel designed by Sir Henry Peake, and constructed for the Royal Navy by Robert Davy in Topsham, Devon. The ship, variously listed as being of either 326 or 340 tons, carried two mortars, one 13 in (330 mm) and one 10 in (250 mm). Terror participated in several battles of the War of 1812 and saw service in the Mediterranean Sea in the 1820s. After being withdrawn from service as a bomb vessel, Terror took part in several voyages of exploration, including George Back's Arctic expedition of 1836–1837, the Ross expedition of 1839 to 1843, and Sir John Franklin's ill-fated attempt to force the Northwest Passage in 1845, during which she was lost with all hands. On 12 September 2016, it was announced that the wreck of Terror had been found in Nunavut's Terror Bay. The wreck was discovered by the Arctic Research Foundation 92 kilometres (57 mi) south of the reported location where the ship was abandoned. .... HMS Terror saw service in the War of 1812 against the United States. Under the command of John Sheridan, she took part in the bombardment of Stonington, Connecticut, on 9–12 August 1814 and of Fort McHenry in the Battle of Baltimore on 13–14 September 1814; the latter attack inspired Francis Scott Key to write the poem that eventually became known as "The Star-Spangled Banner". In January 1815, still under Sheridan's command, Terror was involved in the Battle of Fort Peter and the attack on St. Marys, Georgia.[2] A short history for those who care. Looks like it belongs in Baltimore Harbor. Ft McHenry only has a few functional 60 pounders now, so she should be safe ...... USS Constellation is now part of Historic Ships in Baltimore, which also operates the Coast Guard cutter USCGC Taney (WHEC-37), the World War II submarine USS Torsk (SS-423), the lightship Chesapeake, and the Seven Foot Knoll Light. Constellation and her companions are major contributing elements in the Baltimore National Heritage Area.[6] |
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13 Sep 16 - 12:24 PM (#3809814) Subject: RE: BS: HMS Terror found! From: gnu So... it was a Ranger that "found" it. Might be the guy on the left at the end of the video. http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/north/hms-terror-found-1.3758400 |
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13 Sep 16 - 12:42 PM (#3809819) Subject: RE: BS: HMS Terror found! From: gnu Oh! Oh... Canadian Rangers (known also as Northern Rangers or The Watchers) are mostly Inuit. |
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13 Sep 16 - 12:46 PM (#3809820) Subject: RE: BS: HMS Terror found! From: gnu BTW... listen to what the Ranger said and wrap your head around that. I still can't figure that one out. |
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13 Sep 16 - 12:47 PM (#3809821) Subject: RE: BS: HMS Terror found! From: bubblyrat At least the name survived ; in the 1960 's , the Royal Navy base and dockyard in Singapore was named HMS Terror ( I was there in 1967/68 ). |
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13 Sep 16 - 12:49 PM (#3809824) Subject: RE: BS: HMS Terror found! From: gnu Just figured it out. DUH! |
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13 Sep 16 - 08:29 PM (#3809869) Subject: RE: BS: HMS Terror found! From: judyac Beautiful version of "Lord Franklin" by Sinéad O'Connor. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9fgNcx9st1A |
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13 Sep 16 - 09:53 PM (#3809877) Subject: RE: BS: HMS Terror found! From: gnu https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TVY8LoM47xI |
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14 Sep 16 - 09:29 AM (#3809926) Subject: RE: BS: HMS Terror found! From: Mrrzy Not sure a mystery was exactly solved - it was supposed to have been broken up by the ice, and it wasn't, so the new mystery is, why did it sink? |
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14 Sep 16 - 09:38 AM (#3809927) Subject: RE: BS: HMS Terror found! From: judyac http://www.ric.edu/faculty/rpotter/ballad.html |
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14 Sep 16 - 07:13 PM (#3810001) Subject: RE: BS: HMS Terror found! From: Teribus Why did it sink Mrrzy asks? Ice closes around the ship and starts to crush it, then it is pushed upwards where even though extremely cold it starts too dry out, successive cycles of this treatment means that caulked seams start to open so that when it thaws water enters the ship and it sinks.? "Lord Franklin"?? Only thing wrong with that of course is that he was never a Lord, highest rank he ever attained was "Rear-Admiral Sir John Franklin KCH FRGS RN born 16 April 1786, died 11 June 1847. Best version of the song that I have ever heard was recorded and performed by a Norwegian Band - The Tramps on their "Fireland" CD. |
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15 Sep 16 - 05:37 PM (#3810094) Subject: RE: BS: HMS Terror found! From: judyac Beardedbruce posted the following above, "This vessel looks like it was buttoned down tight for winter and it sank," said Schimnowski. "Everything was shut. Even the windows are still intact. If you could lift this boat out of the water, and pump the water out, it would probably float." If water had entered through the seams as suggested by Teribus, just raising the boat and pumping out the water would not be enough to get it to float. The Guardian and others say almost all the hatches were closed. So if at least one hatch was open maybe that is where the water came in. https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/sep/12/hms-terror-wreck-found-arctic-nearly-170-years-northwest-passage-attempt |
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15 Sep 16 - 06:32 PM (#3810103) Subject: RE: Concerning Franklin and His Gallant Crew - 1845 From: Desert Dancer Ship found in Arctic 168 years after doomed Northwest Passage attempt Paul Watson in Vancouver Monday 12 September 2016 The long-lost ship of British polar explorer Sir John Franklin, HMS Terror, has been found in pristine condition at the bottom of an Arctic bay, researchers have said, in a discovery that challenges the accepted history behind one of polar exploration's deepest mysteries. HMS Terror and Franklin's flagship, HMS Erebus, were abandoned in heavy sea ice far to the north of the eventual wreck site in 1848, during the Royal Navy explorer's doomed attempt to complete the Northwest Passage. All 129 men on the Franklin expedition died, in the worst disaster to hit Britain's Royal Navy in its long history of polar exploration. Search parties continued to look for the ships for 11 years after they disappeared, but found no trace, and the fate of the missing men remained an enigma that tantalised generations of historians, archaeologists and adventurers. Now that mystery seems to have been solved by a combination of intrepid exploration – and an improbable tip from an Inuk crewmember. On Sunday, a team from the charitable Arctic Research Foundation manoeuvred a small, remotely operated vehicle through an open hatch and into the ship to capture stunning images that give insight into life aboard the vessel close to 170 years ago. (more at the link above.) |
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29 Aug 19 - 06:24 AM (#4006343) Subject: RE: BS: HMS Terror found! From: Sandra in Sydney amazing video taken inside HMS Terror Frozen in time' wreck sheds new light on Franklin's ill-fated 1845 Arctic quest Evidence recovered from beneath the bitter cold of Canada’s Arctic Ocean will shed new light on the final days the ill-fated expedition of the British polar explorer Sir John Franklin, who disappeared with his crew in 1845. Parks Canada and Inuit researchers announced on Wednesday the results of a study of the HMS Terror – including “groundbreaking” new images from within the incredibly well-preserved ship – and raised the possibility that logs and maps have remained intact and legible after nearly 170 years underwater. Over several weeks in early August, the researchers launched 3D-mapping technology to survey the wreck site off the the coast of King William Island in Nunavut. (read on) |
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29 Aug 19 - 06:44 AM (#4006345) Subject: RE: BS: HMS Terror found! From: Raggytash The ship is in a remarkable state of preservation. As Sandra says the film in well worth looking at and can be found in the Guardian at: HMS Terror |
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29 Aug 19 - 09:04 AM (#4006368) Subject: RE: BS: HMS Terror found! From: Iains https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7kEuVuaSRdM&list=OLAK5uy_l-GZs6RHhR6K75jPOCW1MfoNwH1y8Vy7c&index=4 |
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29 Aug 19 - 12:34 PM (#4006400) Subject: RE: BS: HMS Terror found! From: Stilly River Sage If you click the "share" button you get a lot shorter link: https://youtu.be/7kEuVuaSRdM |
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29 Aug 19 - 02:03 PM (#4006421) Subject: RE: BS: HMS Terror found! From: Iains Stilly River Sage. Thank you for that little trick. In my opinion it is by far the best version I have heard |
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29 Aug 19 - 06:03 PM (#4006454) Subject: RE: BS: HMS Terror found! From: robomatic Anchorage Museum Exhibit |
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29 Aug 19 - 07:54 PM (#4006468) Subject: RE: BS: HMS Terror found! From: Sandra in Sydney thanks, for the link, robomatic. did you see Rogues & Wenches they make all our striped shirt wearers look boring. And they don't sound bad, either! |
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29 Aug 19 - 08:39 PM (#4006471) Subject: RE: BS: HMS Terror found! From: robomatic I haven't been to the Alaska State Fair. Probably won't make it. Maybe they'll come to town down here in Anchorage? They look like they'd fit in here. |
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31 Aug 19 - 05:45 AM (#4006636) Subject: RE: BS: HMS Terror found! From: Mr Red is this Terror(bull) news? It is below the line! As it were.......... |
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31 Aug 19 - 10:07 AM (#4006669) Subject: RE: BS: HMS Terror found! From: Sandra in Sydney well, it has become a music thread ... |
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02 Sep 19 - 08:39 PM (#4007041) Subject: RE: BS: HMS Terror found! From: Rapparee If Franklin and the others had only been sensible and waited they could have sailed the Northwest Passage in considerable comfort (USD 126,000+ for one of them). |