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04 Dec 16 - 10:51 PM (#3824516) Subject: Music as torture? From: Mrrzy Nickelback, really? What song would you consider torture to have to listen to? |
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04 Dec 16 - 10:54 PM (#3824518) Subject: RE: Music as torture? From: leeneia Anything loud, high-pitched, whiny and out of tune. I was watching an educational film at the Cahokia Mounds, when the soundtrack played a loud, electronic simulation of a percussionist running a stick over a set of high-pitched chimes. (You know, those hanging silver tubes.) It actually made me scream out loud. |
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04 Dec 16 - 11:06 PM (#3824519) Subject: RE: Music as torture? From: meself I've never quite gotten the Nickelback thing - I mean, they're not my cup of tea, but I don't see how they're all that much worse than all those other bands who are not my cup of tea .... |
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05 Dec 16 - 12:05 AM (#3824521) Subject: RE: Music as torture? From: Joe Offer There's a YouTube playlist of 11 Popular Songs the CIA Used to Torture Prisoners in the War on Terror
And here's one of those annoying slide shows with a list of 21 songs the CIA used for torture. |
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05 Dec 16 - 12:09 AM (#3824522) Subject: RE: Music as torture? From: GUEST,cnd Any harsh noise, industrial noise, or similar "genre" of "music." There's a reason the "genre" is called "noise" |
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05 Dec 16 - 01:40 AM (#3824527) Subject: RE: Music as torture? From: michaelr I hear there are coffeehouses in the UK that play Fairport Convention to get the hipsters to move on. |
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05 Dec 16 - 03:01 AM (#3824531) Subject: RE: Music as torture? From: Steve Shaw They're thinking of playing loud Justin Bieber to scare away a plague of fruit bats in Australia. Who would be tortured more, the bats or the Aussies? |
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05 Dec 16 - 03:23 AM (#3824535) Subject: RE: Music as torture? From: Dave Hanson opera, the Bee Gees, any boy band/girl band, pre-pubescent kids, oh FFS don't get me started. Dave H |
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05 Dec 16 - 03:34 AM (#3824540) Subject: RE: Music as torture? From: GUEST,LynnH "Last Christmas............" AAAAArrrrgggggghhhhhh!!!!!!!! |
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05 Dec 16 - 03:37 AM (#3824541) Subject: RE: Music as torture? From: Will Fly You call all that torture? I'll tell you what musical torture is - I suffered under it at a singaround on Monday evening last week. It was a lady with a high, dismal, toneless voice singing an interminable ballad that she hadn't bothered to learn, had "written it down yesterday for the first time", from sheet after sheet of paper. It was utterly, incredibly boring and seemingly endless. When the third sheet had been turned over, I lost the will to live and fell into a coma from which I could only be awoken by liberal helpings of Dark Star Winter Ale. Now that's torture. |
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05 Dec 16 - 03:42 AM (#3824542) Subject: RE: Music as torture? From: GUEST,Pete Kiddle Folk club renditions of 'The Wild Mountain Thyme' ? |
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05 Dec 16 - 04:24 AM (#3824555) Subject: RE: Music as torture? From: GUEST,Senoufou Actually I'm surprised this is all so lighthearted. These prisoners were apparently chained with their hands between their legs, unable to take of the earphones, and loud songs played repeatedly foe 30 hours at a time. For several months. I don't personally find this amusing... |
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05 Dec 16 - 04:42 AM (#3824559) Subject: RE: Music as torture? From: Thompson I can never understand why torture is used when kindness is so much more effective. |
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05 Dec 16 - 04:54 AM (#3824560) Subject: RE: Music as torture? From: Mo the caller Senoufou is right, of course. Unbelievable that anyone would do that in the name of 'western values'. But language always changes and exaggerates. The song that I find painful is 'Have yourself a Merry Little Christmas'. Insulting to those who believe in the 'true meaning of Christmas' (I was one of those long enough to see that viewpoint), and to those whose troubles don't go away so easily. |
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05 Dec 16 - 05:19 AM (#3824563) Subject: RE: Music as torture? From: Steve Shaw Yeah, why "little" Christmas! But for a bad Christmas song that awful McCartney one would take some beating. And Classic FM playing carols for four solid weeks before Christmas is sheer torture. |
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05 Dec 16 - 05:33 AM (#3824565) Subject: RE: Music as torture? From: Mr Red Opera you say, how are you on Florence Foster-Jenkins? Call me undemanding but I have yet to be tortured. When I worked with some people who had pop music blaring I had work as a distraction. Otherwise I can choose to depart in most instances. Family is different, they have to endure my preferences at times too! If irritation is the price I pay to get time out for the the chance to dance with a wonderful dancer to an Andy Cutting waltz, I pay, willingly. (other Andy Cutting waltzes are available. Pure gold) |
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05 Dec 16 - 05:34 AM (#3824566) Subject: RE: Music as torture? From: GUEST,Mark Bluemel michaelr said: "I hear there are coffeehouses in the UK that play Fairport Convention to get the hipsters to move on." http://www.thedailymash.co.uk/news/society/cafe-puts-on-fairport-convention-to-drive-out-hipsters-20161201118237 The Daily Mash is a parody site... However Richard Thompson reposted this on Facebook saying he was proud to be associated with it :-) |
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05 Dec 16 - 05:34 AM (#3824567) Subject: RE: Music as torture? From: Will Fly Eliza, the original posts to the thread were reasonably light-hearted, It was Joe's post which brought in the political torture element which, of course, is all too true. My own post was in the spirit of the original. As far as torture as persuasion (as opposed to punishment) is concerned, I'm always reminded of the competition between the sun and the wind to see which one could get a traveller to remove his coat. The wind huffed and puffed, but the traveller just wound his coat more tightly round himself. The sub beamed and poured sunshine on the traveller - who removed his coat to cool off. I always thought that was a nice parable. |
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05 Dec 16 - 05:41 AM (#3824569) Subject: RE: Music as torture? From: Stanron Music as torture? Try listening to Radio 1 if you are older than 15. All right then 45. The only thing worse would be the same thing with adverts. |
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05 Dec 16 - 05:51 AM (#3824571) Subject: RE: Music as torture? From: GUEST, DTM Having a short interest span, I can only listen to a few songs in a row of certain genres. These include Blues, Trad Jazz, Bothy Ballads, Heavy Rock, Classical, Rap, Disco, House,Hawiian Music, Indian Music, Instrumentals, and so on. I really need to find a secluded cave. |
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05 Dec 16 - 05:55 AM (#3824572) Subject: RE: Music as torture? From: GUEST,Senoufou I like most types of music, including Eminem. But it's the 'played very loudly' and 'repeatedly' which would be tiresome. I don't like loud noises of any kind. And even my favourite tunes and songs would be detested after the twentieth time of hearing. It's very true that to change people's mindset and show them that their evil actions are execrable, the best way is kindness, gentleness and love. Maybe even those things won't succeed, but it's absolutely certain that cruelty and torture will merely increase hatred and provoke vengeance and counter-attack. Torture is no better than terrorism. |
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05 Dec 16 - 06:08 AM (#3824576) Subject: RE: Music as torture? From: GUEST I seem to remember a movie in which somebody was tortured by having "Itsy Bitsy Teeny Weeny Yellow Polka Dot Bikini" player at them, sped up, at volume. It was funny because it wasn't real - then. |
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05 Dec 16 - 06:13 AM (#3824579) Subject: RE: Music as torture? From: Senoufou It was 'One Two Three' (directed by Billy Wilder) |
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05 Dec 16 - 06:15 AM (#3824580) Subject: RE: Music as torture? From: Leadfingers I've suffered for my art - Now its your turn ! |
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05 Dec 16 - 07:25 AM (#3824595) Subject: RE: Music as torture? From: banjoman Melodeons are the worst form of torture by far, especially when someone who attempts to play one tells me that my banjo is not a traditional instrument while his screeching vile monstrosity is. In the right hands (dustbin men) they may be acceptable but not to me |
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05 Dec 16 - 07:37 AM (#3824596) Subject: RE: Music as torture? From: Senoufou I think that those ghastly recorders children 'play' (we use the term loosely) would drive me round the bend in a nanosecond. We used to have them at school ('Twinkle Twinkle Little Star'), and I cringe now to think of the pain and suffering we caused! |
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05 Dec 16 - 07:38 AM (#3824597) Subject: RE: Music as torture? From: GUEST,DTM Anybody learning how to play a recorder or violin can inflict the cruelest torture on a musical ear. |
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05 Dec 16 - 08:08 AM (#3824602) Subject: RE: Music as torture? From: GUEST,Senoufou Oh yes, GUEST DTM, whenever I hear children attempting to play the violin, I'm reminded for some reason of all the cats whose gut was used to make the strings. It sounds as if they're all miaowing and caterwauling at once in revenge! |
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05 Dec 16 - 08:17 AM (#3824603) Subject: RE: Music as torture? From: Stanron Isn't cat gut an urban myth?. Gut strings came from sheep. I heard it on QI, but then again QI expounds a theory of of declining truth. That is any commonly held truth is likely to be proved untrue with the passing of time. The longer the time the greater the likelihood. |
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05 Dec 16 - 08:23 AM (#3824604) Subject: RE: Music as torture? From: GUEST,Senoufou You're absolutely right Stanron (I've just Googled it). I know it isn't nice for the sheep either, but I'm quite glad no cats were used! |
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05 Dec 16 - 09:34 AM (#3824611) Subject: RE: Music as torture? From: GUEST,keberoxu My music history professor at university, a spirited stand-up-comic-manqué, used to describe scholarly, painstakingly prepared performances of music of a certain vintage, with this irony: "This is dead music, and we will now show you how it died." |
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05 Dec 16 - 09:35 AM (#3824612) Subject: RE: Music as torture? From: Steve Shaw Bodhran |
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05 Dec 16 - 09:37 AM (#3824613) Subject: RE: Music as torture? From: Steve Shaw Sorry, thread drift. I forgot that "music" was in the title. |
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05 Dec 16 - 09:44 AM (#3824615) Subject: RE: Music as torture? From: Steve Gardham Sorry! None of the above. How tolerant am I? |
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05 Dec 16 - 01:12 PM (#3824656) Subject: RE: Music as torture? From: GUEST,Senoufou The point about the prisoners in Guantanamo Bay is that they hadn't had any form of trial. They were technically only 'suspects'. It's wrong in my view to detain anyone at all for years without trial. To then proceed with torturing them is appalling. Just because one Muslim is a rapist and a murderer doesn't justify imprisoning and torturing any Muslims one happens to 'suspect'. There isn't any justification for torture. None. |
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05 Dec 16 - 01:52 PM (#3824665) Subject: RE: Music as torture? From: GUEST,LynnH ....and then there are these anaemic, gutless renditions of Hallelujah as a dreadful dirge.............. And another thing: "Sadly not just one Senoufou think back to Cologne New Years eve night, swarms of them, swarms of these bastards and seeing nothing wrong in their eyes at emptying their bag in innocent young white Christians." There are plenty young white 'christian' males around with the same attitude! |
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05 Dec 16 - 03:34 PM (#3824685) Subject: RE: Music as torture? From: Steve Shaw In that case I apologise for my bodhran remark. It was a hysterical hate comment. 😂 |
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05 Dec 16 - 03:34 PM (#3824686) Subject: RE: Music as torture? From: GUEST,jim bainbridge without any disrespect to the late Leonard Cohen, his music was torture to me- I used to play in a bar in West Cork and when, even after a very liberal closing time was passed & the music had stopped, a resolute few remained, the owner would use full wattage on his sound system to direct a bit of Vivaldi at them0 it always worked... |
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05 Dec 16 - 03:39 PM (#3824687) Subject: RE: Music as torture? From: GUEST,Senoufou So I should think Steve, it was flagrant bodhranism. Bodhrans have their feelings you know. By the way, how DOES one pronounce 'bodhran'? |
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05 Dec 16 - 04:05 PM (#3824694) Subject: RE: Music as torture? From: Steve Shaw I don't say dirty words so I don't know. |
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05 Dec 16 - 04:11 PM (#3824697) Subject: RE: Music as torture? From: Stanron GUEST,Senoufou wrote: By the way, how DOES one pronounce 'bodhran'?Isn't it "Bore on"? |
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05 Dec 16 - 04:12 PM (#3824698) Subject: RE: Music as torture? From: Senoufou :) I think it's bow-ran. |
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05 Dec 16 - 04:15 PM (#3824701) Subject: RE: Music as torture? From: Steve Shaw It's pronounced "sessionwrecker." I've just looked it up. |
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05 Dec 16 - 04:48 PM (#3824706) Subject: RE: Music as torture? From: GUEST,theleveller Ten minutes listening to shanty "singing" and I'd confess to anything. Five minutes of Frank Sinatra has the same effect. |
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05 Dec 16 - 09:33 PM (#3824738) Subject: RE: Music as torture? From: Joe_F During the Waco siege (1993), according to Wikipedia, "Increasingly aggressive techniques were used to try to force the Branch Davidians out (for instance, sleep deprivation of the inhabitants by means of all-night broadcasts of recordings of jet planes, pop music, chanting, and the screams of rabbits being slaughtered)." That seems to me to put pop music in its proper company. I wonder if the FBI paid the usual royalties for a public performance. |
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06 Dec 16 - 04:17 AM (#3824754) Subject: RE: Music as torture? From: GUEST,Mark Bluemel GUEST,Senoufou wrote: By the way, how DOES one pronounce 'bodhran'? With distaste... |
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06 Dec 16 - 04:46 AM (#3824759) Subject: RE: Music as torture? From: Steve Shaw Ah, this is like the good old days, any music thread eventually and inevitably turning to bodhran-bashing. I love it! |
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06 Dec 16 - 05:47 AM (#3824775) Subject: RE: Music as torture? From: GUEST,Senoufou But...but... forgive me, but what exactly IS the objection to a bodhran? I mean, it's just a percussion instrument not a piece of wet poo. It just goes bang bang bang doesn't it? There aren't any politically incorrect connotations or inappropriate associations (as in the case of a wobble board for example) Please explain yourselves! (stern retired-teacher voice) |
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06 Dec 16 - 06:08 AM (#3824780) Subject: RE: Music as torture? From: Steve Shaw I would much rather the bodhran owner brought in a lump of wet poo to bash than a bodhran. Smellier, maybe, but a damn sight quieter! |
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06 Dec 16 - 06:42 AM (#3824783) Subject: RE: Music as torture? From: Stanron GUEST,Senoufou wrote: but what exactly IS the objection to a bodhran?People who play tunes in tunes sessions first have to learn to play their instrument. (not enough?) Then they have to learn a lot of tunes. (still not enough?) Then they have to learn to play these tunes at the pace they get played by the people who have been playing them several nights a week for the last five or ten or more years. By the time they can do this they will have become aware of what might be called generic 'dialects' of playing. Some-one who has just bought a 'Bore on' goes to a session for the first time and tries to join in. Who has the good time and who has the bad time? There are good bodhoran players and playing with them is a pleasure. They will have gone through a similar process to other players over similar periods of time. It's the first day thumpers who give the rest a bad name. |
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06 Dec 16 - 07:04 AM (#3824786) Subject: RE: Music as torture? From: GUEST,colin banjos and bagpipes.. played singularly or collectively |
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06 Dec 16 - 07:16 AM (#3824790) Subject: RE: Music as torture? From: GUEST,Senoufou I adore banjos and indeed bagpipes. There's a chap who stands outside Marks and Spencer in Norwich piping away, wearing a very smart Highland dress complete with hairy sporran. It always brings tears to my eyes (I lived and worked in Scotland for some time) and I usually give him a few bob. Banjos have a sort of trying-to-be-cheerful-in-spite-of-adversity air about them. And seeing a homeless person sitting on the pavement sadly blowing a tin whistle makes us both tearful. My husband knows what poverty and destitution are, and he's the first to succumb and put some coins in the 'musician's' hat. Bodhrans...well, why not? I say. 'All God's chillun got a place in de kwaya' and all that. |
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06 Dec 16 - 08:50 AM (#3824806) Subject: RE: Music as torture? From: Steve Shaw Well if it were owt to do with me, all God's bodhran-owning chillun would go to heaven with the bloody things wrapped round their necks, and the sooner the better! See how I don't wish them ill? 👹 |
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06 Dec 16 - 09:08 AM (#3824809) Subject: RE: Music as torture? From: GUEST,Senoufou You utter beast Steve :) At least you're directing them to heaven and not the Other Place. |
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06 Dec 16 - 11:04 AM (#3824828) Subject: RE: Music as torture? From: Will Fly The Other Place is reserved for people at sessions with shaky eggs, pineapples, bones and other assorted rattles. |
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06 Dec 16 - 11:11 AM (#3824832) Subject: RE: Music as torture? From: Steve Shaw You forgot rain tubes. Although I once saw someone with one of those at a session seriously piss off a rather uppity recorder player... |
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06 Dec 16 - 12:39 PM (#3824851) Subject: RE: Music as torture? From: GUEST,Senoufou Oh I had a rain tube once! Are they those large stalks (size of a didgeridoo) of a cactus-type plant, with the thorns pushed into the inside, then filled with broken shells or some such? When you up-end them the shells fall down and it's supposed to sound like rain? I used to do it in front of our cats and they would freak out! But when we moved house, I sold it. |
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06 Dec 16 - 02:48 PM (#3824888) Subject: RE: Music as torture? From: Steve Shaw A wise decision! |
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06 Dec 16 - 03:16 PM (#3824901) Subject: RE: Music as torture? From: GUEST,Senoufou Well I think my husband was a bit afraid of it. Anything with so-called 'magical properties' is a bit off-putting for him. And we get enough rain as it is! |
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06 Dec 16 - 07:23 PM (#3824935) Subject: RE: Music as torture? From: GUEST,DTM Re bodran players. Alas, I am sorry to say I don't like them -even the good ones. Apart from "I will go" they just don't t add anything good to a song. |
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06 Dec 16 - 08:30 PM (#3824944) Subject: RE: Music as torture? From: CupOfTea Covering the facetious and serious sides of the question: Hearing someone slaughter a song that is precious to you. Any song that has ear worm potential played repeatedly till it wears a groove in your brain. Too much too loud anything- gets to the physically painful point. Experienced this ONCE: National Lampoon's road show spoofing Woodstock, "Lemmings" ended with the Pink Floyd-like band cranking up the volume till the audience started leaving in droves. The vibration made your insides rattle, and empty chairs moved across the floor. Painful gimmick. Something with a catchy tune that makes you want to sing along that has horrid lyrics you wouldn't utter unless subjected to some physical torture. I'm with Senoufou on torture being wrong as well as ineffective, and truly don't like the idea of any music, however bad, out of tune, or inane it might be, used as a weapon against someone. Joanne, who has already exceeded her lifetime allotment of "MacArthur Park" |
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07 Dec 16 - 04:48 AM (#3824976) Subject: RE: Music as torture? From: Mr Red Call me a philistine. Radio, records etc is "Mental Wallpaper" I prefer to participate. As a musician (OH! OK a drummer) or a dancer. So I guess if a band don't understand music for feet then torture is close. |
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07 Dec 16 - 04:55 AM (#3824977) Subject: RE: Music as torture? From: Steve Shaw Any minimalist crap by Steve Reich. |
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07 Dec 16 - 09:20 AM (#3825035) Subject: RE: Music as torture? From: GUEST I love and play music semi-professionally but I NEVER listen to music on the radio (don't have a TV). I do listen to CDs etc I've mainly chosen my self. Why on earth listen to somebody else's choice of music? It's bad enough to listen to a friend's choice while visiting, but on a long term basis listening to other people's choice of music??? Noooooo... that IS torture! |
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07 Dec 16 - 09:46 AM (#3825040) Subject: RE: Music as torture? From: leeneia Surely one reason people listen to radio is to hear new music and new musicians. ================== Here's a form of musical torture for me: I go to a symphony orchestra performance. I'm seated fifteen minutes early so I can read the program and compose myself for beautiful music. Out comes a trombone player. He sits himself on stage, starts practicing his hardest bit in a given key. Out comes a viola player. Does the same thing, only it's from a different piece, in a different key. Out comes an oboist... You get the idea. Soon there are a lot of people on stage producing a god-awful musical madhouse. If a melody is like a lovely fragrance wafting through the air, then this is like a mental patient with really bad BO. I've quit going to the symphony because of this. I'm a music lover, not an item of livestock. |
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07 Dec 16 - 09:49 AM (#3825041) Subject: RE: Music as torture? From: Steve Shaw Is there any worse experience than waiting in a draughty tyre bay on a wet November afternoon watching a greasy skinhead in filthy overalls fixing your car as Radio 1 blares out from a tinny ghetto-blaster that isn't quite tuned in? |
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07 Dec 16 - 09:52 AM (#3825043) Subject: RE: Music as torture? From: Steve Shaw Are you sure it was just practice, leeneia, and not one of those trendy new pieces of avant-garde music? 🤓 |
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07 Dec 16 - 10:33 AM (#3825051) Subject: RE: Music as torture? From: Will Fly Well - that's quite a mixed list of dislikes. I have to say I'm quite fond of the occasional mass tune-up and mini-practice by orchestras before the leader appears and they tune up properly prior to playing the first piece. To me it's a pleasurable cacophony of anticipation, and I like picking out the individual bits. Great fun. As for the radio, I don't listen in the house because I'm usually playing or practising or arranging my own stuff, but a long car journey can produce some new finds, depending on what you listen to. And I like a classical music programme or a jazz programme while I'm cooking. I also like friends sending me material or playing me sounds they like if I'm at their house. Good grief, how would we learn about different music and new, potentially interesting music if we didn't expose ourselves to other sources of sound information? I can play my own choice of music on CDs, SDHC discs or my iPod in the car any time, but I can also weary of just hearing the music that I've collected constantly played back to me. There's nothing greater than hearing something that you've never heard before, something interesting that tickles the music buds and makes you want to hear more, to get home and get an instrument out and play it or research it. Which is the joy of a good session. We can beat up the same old tunes every time, but it's always a treat when a stranger introduces a new tune, or one of the regulars plays something new and we all say, "Hey, what was that called?" If we're lucky, we never stop learning. |
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07 Dec 16 - 01:30 PM (#3825070) Subject: RE: Music as torture? From: leeneia Good one, Steve. But yes, I'm sure it's not avant garde music because it's not listed in the program. |
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07 Dec 16 - 01:43 PM (#3825075) Subject: RE: Music as torture? From: Steve Shaw That's just about the only way you can tell with some of it! 😂 |
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07 Dec 16 - 01:44 PM (#3825076) Subject: RE: Music as torture? From: GUEST,Stephen Harvey Any song performed poorly (as per the example in Will Fly's initial post) but especially a performance designed solely to allow us plebs to bask in the glory of the performer's impressive vocal acrobatics, never mind the disservice it does to the song. This seems mostly to occur in 'pop' music (however one defines that - and some of which I enjoy) where it seems to be a horrible mutation of Black Gospel styles. It works in the original but seems ill-conceived in adaptation. |
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07 Dec 16 - 05:50 PM (#3825124) Subject: RE: Music as torture? From: GUEST,Pete from seven stars link Back to the OP link . I thought the dog one was hilarious. |
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08 Dec 16 - 02:45 PM (#3825316) Subject: RE: Music as torture? From: GUEST,Guest 7 Dec 0920 I don't listen to music programmes on the radio because however much I might respect the presenter, they work from playlists of APPROVED music from the station owner. There is very little scope for such a presenter to play what he wants to, enabling me to make a judgment about whether to listen again. I'm a far better judge of what I like than a vast media corporation.- the days of John Peel are OVER, sadly. I am not prepared to iisten to ANY radio programme where Murdoch, Denis O'Brien, the Sony Corporation or any other commercial interest decides what is played! I don't except the BBC or RTE from this- even when a 'traditional' or a jazz programme is advertised, you can almost hear the gritting of teeth from some presenters when another load of commercial crap is imposed on them (and us!) from above. So still, no thanks, I have a vast collection of recorded music & still surprise myself by what's there & almost forgotten. Not to mention what's available online! Mind you, Steve's memories certainly ring a bell although an hour of Radio 1 without all the rest of it would make me give a lot more than name, rank and number, and very quickly. |
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08 Dec 16 - 10:57 PM (#3825372) Subject: RE: Music as torture? From: punkfolkrocker This thread immediately puts me in mind of late 60s / early 70s mood music compilation LPS.. The sort you'd see stuffed in racks in Woolworths for 50 or 75 pence.. ..and the more upmarket themed Hi Fi test LPs my dad used to bring home from the shops most Saturday afternoons.. Ah.. those Sleeve artworks of moodily lit scantily clad dolly birds, or the more boring abstract patterns and landscapes... "Music For Torture" Hugo Montenegro and his Electro Shock To The Gonads Orchestra RCA 1972 [HI FI Choice Magazine - Best LP for stereophonic speaker demonstrations] [CIA Monthly Digest - Cleanest and least bruising alternative to Water Boarding & Pharmacological torture 8/10 - June 1973]... 😱 |
