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14 Dec 16 - 12:07 PM (#3826468) Subject: BS: Voter Fraud? From: beardedbruce " The recount crusade of Green Party presidential candidate Jill Stein may have turned up massive voter irregularities, but they're not the kind Democrats were hoping to find. In heavily-Democratic Detroit, more votes than voters were found across the city and now state Republicans are calling for an investigation. According to the Detroit News, voting machines in more than one-third of Detroit precincts counted more votes than the actual number of voters who showed up. The statewide recount, which was stopped by a judge on Friday, could not be performed in those precincts and others. The problems were the worst in Detroit, where discrepancies meant officials couldn't recount votes in 392 precincts, or nearly 60 percent. And two-thirds of those precincts had too many votes. "There's always going to be small problems to some degree, but we didn't expect the degree of problem we saw in Detroit. This isn't normal," said Krista Haroutunian, chairwoman of the Wayne County Board of Canvassers. Republican lawmakers in the state called for a probe last week after reports that a Wayne County precinct reported 306 votes, but had only 50 ballots. Stein's recount efforts in Michigan, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin were spurred by claims that Russian hackers could have compromised the vote in some way. The recount in Wisconsin ended up adding 131 votes to President-elect Donald Trump's total. " http://www.detroitnews.com/story/news/politics/2016/12/12/records-many-votes-detroits-precincts/95363314/ |
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14 Dec 16 - 12:11 PM (#3826471) Subject: RE: BS: Voter Fraud? From: beardedbruce "Voting machines in more than one-third of all Detroit precincts registered more votes than they should have during last month's presidential election, according to Wayne County records prepared at the request of The Detroit News. ///////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// Detailed reports from the office of Wayne County Clerk Cathy Garrett show optical scanners at 248 of the city's 662 precincts, or 37 percent, tabulated more ballots than the number of voters tallied by workers in the poll books. Voting irregularities in Detroit have spurred plans for an audit by Michigan Secretary of State Ruth Johnson's office, Elections Director Chris Thomas said Monday. The Detroit precincts are among those that couldn't be counted during a statewide presidential recount that began last week and ended Friday following a decision by the Michigan Supreme Court. Democrat Hillary Clinton overwhelmingly prevailed in Detroit and Wayne County. But Republican President-elect Donald Trump won Michigan by 10,704 votes or 47.5 percent to 47.3 percent. Overall, state records show 10.6 percent of the precincts in the 22 counties that began the retabulation process couldn't be recounted because of state law that bars recounts for unbalanced precincts or ones with broken seals. The problems were the worst in Detroit, where discrepancies meant officials couldn't recount votes in 392 precincts, or nearly 60 percent. And two-thirds of those precincts had too many votes. ///////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// "There's always going to be small problems to some degree, but we didn't expect the degree of problem we saw in Detroit. This isn't normal," said Krista Haroutunian, chairwoman of the Wayne County Board of Canvassers. State officials are planning to examine about 20 Detroit precincts where ballot boxes opened during the recount had fewer ballots than poll workers had recorded on Election Day." |
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14 Dec 16 - 12:24 PM (#3826474) Subject: RE: BS: Voter Fraud? From: beardedbruce And as to why it matters: 1. The DEMOCRATS have been claiming there is no need for any voter ID, as there is NO fraud. 2. There are complaints that the popular vote was for Hillary ( ie, she stuffed the ballot box) 3. Even when the Democrats cheat, they cannot always win. The fact that Trump took the STATE, but the areas where the voter fraud occurred went for Hillary, should say something. I have to wonder if there ARE any honest Liberals? |
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14 Dec 16 - 12:27 PM (#3826475) Subject: RE: BS: Voter Fraud? From: DMcG I would have thought evidence that the voting may have been tampered with would be something you should all be concerned about, whoever is responsible. And if it was not fraud but incompetence or due to a confusing process, that's not much better, is it? Whatever the cause, having something better in place next time seems necessary. |
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14 Dec 16 - 12:36 PM (#3826478) Subject: RE: BS: Voter Fraud? From: beardedbruce I agree. I was in favor of voter ID when it was the Republicans that were accused of potential voter fraud- I am in favor now. Democrats have insisted there is no need to even look for fraud, as it does not happen. Strange thing, their saying that when it appears that all the precincts with more votes than ballots went heavily Democratic. I have to wonder what the effect on the down-ballot races was, as well. Or are they like Maryland, where many precincts don't even bother to run a Republican candidate, since the Democrats always win... |
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14 Dec 16 - 12:37 PM (#3826480) Subject: RE: BS: Voter Fraud? From: Donuel Everyone knows that Voter Fraud has been an issue ever since White land owners lost their exclusive right to vote. Despite the Herculean efforts by President Grant to create equal voting rights and more, it took less than 100 years to roll all his reforms back. Similar anti one man one vote were advanced to fight women who demanded the vote. Women finally won the suffrage battle. There are people alive today whose grandmothers were denied the vote. Parts of our Voters rights have been lost by Supreme Decisions that assumed there is no more racism. Republicans are very happy about this. As long as we have and use the Republican made Diebold voting machines we will have tallies that don't match the ballots. As long as we prosecute blacks at 10 times the white average and remove by law the right to vote, as long as we pretend voter fraud is rampant we will have a Republican party. I write for myself and speak from the heart. I do not let suspect links with agendas do my thinking. The reason why Jill did what she did is not what you think it is Bruce. |
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14 Dec 16 - 12:43 PM (#3826485) Subject: RE: BS: Voter Fraud? From: beardedbruce "Republican state senators last week called for an investigation in Wayne County, including one precinct where a Detroit ballot box contained only 50 of the 306 ballots listed in a poll book, according to an observer for Trump." 50 ballots, 306 votes in "the city that voted for Clinton 95 percent to 3 percent over Trump.".... sounds like what most here would accept. |
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14 Dec 16 - 12:46 PM (#3826486) Subject: RE: BS: Voter Fraud? From: beardedbruce So the Republicans have been stuffing the ballot box for Hillary now?????? Donual, you begin to worry me. The recount showed that Trump had MORE votes. |
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14 Dec 16 - 12:55 PM (#3826490) Subject: RE: BS: Voter Fraud? From: gnu Voter fraud? No. Election fraud. Terminology counts. |
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14 Dec 16 - 01:14 PM (#3826496) Subject: RE: BS: Voter Fraud? From: beardedbruce "According to the Detroit News, voting machines in more than one-third of Detroit precincts counted more votes than the actual number of voters who showed up."" |
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14 Dec 16 - 01:39 PM (#3826503) Subject: RE: BS: Voter Fraud? From: Donuel Did you not vote? Do you not remember the W vote? States decide upon the modality of collecting the vote. The Diebold Paper Ballot mode is kind of a ruse. That method demanded 3 lines, one to cross your name off the list, one to get a booth and one line to scan your ballot at the end. Sounds like the last line was too much for some to bear. You need to know what system Detroit used. We need one Federal system to ensure fairness. |
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14 Dec 16 - 02:05 PM (#3826505) Subject: RE: BS: Voter Fraud? From: beardedbruce The 2000 vote where the Dems demanded a recount in ONE area, and refused to allow a statewide recount, or count absentee ballets, since they were heavily military and thus thought to lean conservative? Yes, I remember that. And what was the final count in Fla?.....NO CHANGE I would agree on the single Federal system- as long as that did not mean the Fed Government could control the vote count. With the Electorial college now, the errors by Democratic ballot stuffers in Illinois does not change the national outcome, as the number of votes are not as important as the state count- ie, extra votes in Detroit do not offset Delaware's vote. |
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14 Dec 16 - 02:45 PM (#3826520) Subject: RE: BS: Voter Fraud? From: Greg F. CowFart, the continuing Republicrud "voter fraud" mantra -including your boy Trump's repeated lies about "millions of fradulent votes" have all been shown by multiple studies/investigations/reports to be only a little less credible than the Pizza Ping Pong Child Abuse Ring story. Get a new hobby-horse to ride. This one's dead and is tired of being beaten. |
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14 Dec 16 - 02:52 PM (#3826526) Subject: RE: BS: Voter Fraud? From: beardedbruce Ratfucker, So the "Liberal Viewpoint" is that These are NOT the ballots that you are looking for. (wave of hand) You can go about your business. Move along. |
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14 Dec 16 - 02:59 PM (#3826528) Subject: RE: BS: Voter Fraud? From: Greg F. Get a new hobby-horse to ride, CowFart. This one's dead and is tired of being beaten. |
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14 Dec 16 - 03:03 PM (#3826531) Subject: RE: BS: Voter Fraud? From: beardedbruce Sorry, RatFucker, You are wrong, as usual. |
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14 Dec 16 - 03:21 PM (#3826535) Subject: RE: BS: Voter Fraud? From: Donuel You guys have a bet on who gets the thread closed first? Believe it or not you are both ineffective ingénue of the profane arts. If you want to master a man's art of the profane I could tell you where to go and it ain't your typical hum drum hell. |
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14 Dec 16 - 03:23 PM (#3826536) Subject: RE: BS: Voter Fraud? From: Greg F. No profanity from me, Don- please take it up with Bruce. Where's Jeri when you need her? |
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14 Dec 16 - 03:25 PM (#3826537) Subject: RE: BS: Voter Fraud? From: beardedbruce As long as GregthratFucker insists on attacking me, I will call him what he has demonstrated himself to be. |
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14 Dec 16 - 03:33 PM (#3826538) Subject: RE: BS: Voter Fraud? From: beardedbruce I have noted NO effort on the part of Jeri or others to rein in GregtrF's attack on anyone. If anyone not a Liberal is prevented from defending themselves against his attacks, I would have to presume that Mudcat has agreed that only Liberals are welcome here, and put it out with the KKK and other bigots |
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14 Dec 16 - 03:43 PM (#3826539) Subject: RE: BS: Voter Fraud? From: beardedbruce I realize that abuse of the minority, and those with a viewpoint other than the approved "Liberal" one are not only accepted here, but celebrated. But I had thought that some might actually like to know about something outside the Party Line, as authorized by GregtrF. |