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02 Feb 17 - 08:14 PM (#3836396) Subject: Singer/lyrics of song, Coracree From: GUEST,Conan McDonnell Hi I wonder if anyone can help. Back in the early 90's I recorded a song from the radio. The cassette is long gone but it was a male Scottish singer with acoustic guitar accompaniment. I believe the song was called Coracree but I can't find any references to it, or at least I'm not looking in the right places. The song was about a wife or daughter being sent out on the game: "many's the bonnie lassie goes daily on the ...' - and that's where my memory reaches its limit. It was a lovely song, nicely sung and I would like to hear it again. Thanks in advance for any help you can provide. Conan McDonnell |
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03 Feb 17 - 06:24 AM (#3836447) Subject: RE: Singer/lyrics of song, Coracree From: Jim Carroll I believe it was recorded by the talented Scots singer, Norman Kennedy - beautiful song. If you have a problem locating it, I'm pretty sure we have Norman's recording which I'll happily pass on - as you are not a member you might be able to get my contact number from Joe Offer Jim Carroll |
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03 Feb 17 - 12:48 PM (#3836516) Subject: RE: Singer/lyrics of song, Coracree From: Gutcher No game, as you understand the term Donal, is inferred --the young man has seduced the lass and is pointing out that many another lass has enjoyed the same experience without being found out. Can remember singing the song in Tarland some forty years back, on the fourth day of a five day wedding celebration, and was somewhat taken aback to find that none of the local people had ever heard of it. Tarland of course being the locale of the song. |
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03 Feb 17 - 01:11 PM (#3836524) Subject: RE: Singer/lyrics of song, Coracree From: Gutcher Twas on a simmers evening aa went oot tae tak the air An cummin roon bi Tarlan toon aa spied a lovely pair The youth was tall an handsome, the maid was fair tae see An aa kent their destination wasnae far fae Corachree. When haff roads up the avenue they sat doon tae tak a rest He took her in his airms sayin ma dear aa loe ye best Aa maiden ye hae sitten doon an ye"ll aye be maid tae me But it"s maid again ye"ll never walk on the girse o Corachree Have to make my supper now-- will dredge up the rest from my memory later. |
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03 Feb 17 - 02:44 PM (#3836543) Subject: RE: Singer/lyrics of song, Coracree From: GUEST,kenny Just a thought, Jim, but would Norman have recorded it with guitar accompaniment, which is what Conan was asking about ? I have 2 favourite versions of that song, both by Aberdeen singers. Tom Spiers [ of "The Gaugers" ], I'm fairly certain recorded it, and it also used to be sung by Alan Carr, now resident in the USA, but coming back to the UK for some gigs this summer. As I think about it, I'm fairly certain neither of these singers would have recorded it with guitar accompaniment either, so that's maybe not much help to Conan either. Maybe the best version I ever heard would have been by that great Fife singer, Jimmy Hutchison. I really can't think who might have recorded it with guitar accompaniment, and wait with interest to see if the singer can be identified. PS - maybe Jack Beck with "Heritage" ? |
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03 Feb 17 - 02:47 PM (#3836545) Subject: RE: Singer/lyrics of song, Coracree From: GUEST,kenny PS - sorry, Jim, I was assuming Conan was looking for the particular recording with guitar accompaniment, but if he's looking for any recording of the song, then it has certainly never been sung better than by Norman Kennedy, [ IMHO ] whose recording of it must have been one of the earliest. |
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03 Feb 17 - 02:52 PM (#3836547) Subject: RE: Singer/lyrics of song, Coracree From: GUEST,kenny PPS - sorry to be a bit nerdy here, but I've just remembered that the 4-piece band from the States of which Allan Carr is a member, and who are touring Scotland in May, is called "Coracree" |
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03 Feb 17 - 03:04 PM (#3836549) Subject: RE: Singer/lyrics of song, Coracree From: GUEST,jim bainbridge Yes, Kenny- Jimmy Hutchison's version is excellent as you say. It's on his TRADITION BEARERS CD- available from www.folkmusic.net. The notes say he learnt it from Norman Kennedy, who got it from Jimmy McBeath. To clarify, Jimmy is an adopted Fifer whose origins are in South Uist- he has songs from both places.. |
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03 Feb 17 - 03:41 PM (#3836552) Subject: RE: Singer/lyrics of song, Coracree From: Jim Carroll Kenny I assume Jimmy McBeath's version was the earliest - Im pretty sure I heard it, but Norman's was the one that knocked me sideways Jim Carroll |
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03 Feb 17 - 04:26 PM (#3836557) Subject: RE: Singer/lyrics of song, Coracree From: Effsee Kenny, are you forgetting Norman Stewart & Janice Clark recorded it on their album "Iolair" in the '70s? |
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04 Feb 17 - 05:16 AM (#3836620) Subject: RE: Singer/lyrics of song, Coracree From: GUEST,kenny I'm sure you're right with that, Jim. "Effsee" - you may well have identified the recording which Conal was asking about. I'll ask Janice next time I see her. A' the best. PS - Conal - Norman Kennedy's version - which is listed as "Corachree" [sic], is the only version available through "iTunes", but you'll probably not get better. |
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04 Feb 17 - 12:54 PM (#3836730) Subject: RE: Singer/lyrics of song, Coracree From: GUEST,gutcher Sorry memory is at fault, the rest of the story is there but have not been able to come up with the exact verses and have nothing in writing to refer to, will keep trying--- help appreciated. The estate and Big Hoose of Corrichree [spelling as per 1870 O.S.map] lies some one and a half miles west of Tarland. |
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04 Feb 17 - 02:41 PM (#3836754) Subject: RE: Singer/lyrics of song, Coracree From: GUEST,jim bainbridge That's how Jimmy Hutchison spells it on his CD- with the 'h'- Corachree- can't recall Norman K singing this but you wouldn't hear much better than Jimmy H's! |
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05 Feb 17 - 01:02 PM (#3836932) Subject: RE: Singer/lyrics of song, Coracree From: GUEST,gutcher To continue:--- [3] Weel Sandy lad ye"ll ne"er deny the ill that ye hae din For ma bonnet strings hae broken an ma hair flees wi the win Ma maidenheed has tain a flicht an gaen awa fae me An the session clerk will come tae ken o this nicht at Corrachree [4] Ach noo ma lass says Sandy ye needna care a fig For there"s monies a bonny lassie that gangs daily oure the rig There"s monies the bonny lassie aye an jist as guid as ye gangs maiden like for aa tae see oure the rigs o Corrachree [5] ??? ??? ??? An ye"ll easy fin oot aa their beds on the girse o Corrachree Anyone ??? |
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19 Feb 17 - 05:42 PM (#3840025) Subject: Lyric Add Corrichree From: Gutcher Twas on a simmers evenin aa went oot tae tack the air An cummin roon bi Tarlin toon aa spied a lovely pair The youth was tall an handsome the maid was fair tae see An aa kent their destination wisnae far fae Corrichree When haff roads up the avenue they sat doon tae tak a rest He took her in his airms sayin ma dear aa loe ye best Aa maiden ye hae sitten doon an ye"ll aye be maid tae me Bit it"s maid agane ye"ll ne"er walk on the girse o Corrichree O Sandy lad ye"ll ne"er deny the ill that ye hae din For ma bonnet strings hae broken an ma hair flees wi the win Ma maidenheed his tain a flicht an gaen awa fae me An the session clerk will come tae ken o this nicht at Corrichree Ach noo ma lass says Sandy ye needna care a fig For there"s monies the bonny lassie that gangs daily oure the rig There"s monies the bonny lassie aye an jist as guid as ye Gangs maiden like for aa tae see oure the rigs o Corrichree Weel he comes doon in the evenin jist as aften as he can He comes doon in the evenin jist tae see his bonny Ann They tell their tale bout auld lang syne whaur naebody dis them see Bit ye"ll easy fin oot aa their beds on the girse o Corrichree. Tarland was in the past noted for the fiddler Peter Milne and in the present for that fine fiddler Paul Anderson. |
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27 Feb 17 - 07:40 AM (#3841889) Subject: RE: Singer/lyrics of song, Coracree/Corrichree From: GUEST,Sarah We spelled our band name Corachree when we first started out, but no one in the States could pronounce it - we have hilarious recordings of the various manglements "Okra Tree" was my particular favorite. We changed the spelling to Coracree and now hardly ever hear a stumble. Allan Carr does indeed sing this song and will hopefully add it to our concert repertoire. We're looking forward to our tour in Scotland and visiting our namesake! Sarah Gowan www.coracree.com |
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27 Feb 17 - 08:05 AM (#3841898) Subject: RE: Singer/lyrics of song, Coracree/Corrichree From: GUEST,GUEST, Allan This might be a version I recorded with Martin Hadden on guitar It's on a Green Linnet LP, Atlantic Bridge from 1987 I still have a puckle left... The verse with the line" mony's the Bonny lassie gaes daily on the rig" I've always taken to refer to the stool of repentance she would have to stand upon in the Kirk if they were found out I got this song from the singing of Jimmy McBeath And Tom Spiers |
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27 Feb 17 - 08:28 AM (#3841907) Subject: RE: Singer/lyrics of song, Coracree/Corrichree From: GUEST,GUEST, Allan additional second verse: Twas looks,and coaxed emotions as they went on their way The win' was fair, the nicht was fine I heard whit they did say I happed my plaidie roon me, an I set ma cap agee Twas a' tae watch their notions Comin' in by Corachree Allan Carr |
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27 Feb 17 - 04:15 PM (#3842004) Subject: RE: Singer/lyrics of song, Coracree/Corrichree From: Gutcher Like you Allan I had always assumed that the last line of the 3rd. [4th.] verse meant being subjected to church discipline, having to sit on the cutty stool in full face of the congregation. Why would the session clerk be mentioned if this was not the case. This line however gives us a clue as to the age of the song, as this form of discipline had fallen out of use prior to the end of the first quarter of the 19th.C.. |
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13 Mar 17 - 08:36 AM (#3844640) Subject: RE: Singer/lyrics of song, Coracree/Corrichree From: GUEST Hi everyone Thank you all so much for the time and effort you have spent in replying to my query. I must have misheard or, more likely, mis-remembered the lyrics! It's great to see the full text posted here together with all of the peripheral information without which no understanding of a song can be complete. I will hunt around for recordings of the song - I vaguely remember that on the version I heard the accompaniment on guitar was quite tasty, and probably in DADGAD or dropped D. However, if there are other equivalent or better versions out there I'd be more than happy to hear them. Thanks again Best regards Conan |
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13 Mar 17 - 10:24 AM (#3844661) Subject: RE: Singer/lyrics of song, Coracree/Corrichree From: Gutcher Sorry Conan for getting your name wrong in my post of 3/2/17. Put it down to old age. Any one have any idea when the song was composed/first collected? Is it one of the country flotters not collected until fairly recent times. I have a few collected in my lifetime, which, as far as I can check do not appear in any printed source eg. "The Ingram Servant Lass", "The Braes O Kirkmahoe", "Carnwath Mill" [not the one composed in 1946 which is a completely different song, although the sheet music does make mention of an older song having the same title] etc.,etc.. Any information on the three songs mentioned above would be received with thanks. |
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13 Mar 17 - 12:03 PM (#3844674) Subject: RE: Singer/lyrics of song, Coracree/Corrichree From: Reinhard The Traditional Ballad Index lists The Rigs o' Gorrachree with an earliest known date of 1906 in Greig/Duncan Vol. 7 No. 1468 which has three texts and two tunes. |
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13 Mar 17 - 01:44 PM (#3844685) Subject: RE: Singer/lyrics of song, Coracree/Corrichree From: GUEST Thanks for the link Reinhard---from it I was able to access the Roud Index, a function I must confess that has eluded me in the past, I must be doited not to be able to crack the forms required for entry to the songs/numbers section. Having said that I am now able to check on the three songs mentioned in my last post, with others, and have come up with zero results as per my search in many printed collections. |
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15 Mar 17 - 10:35 PM (#3845167) Subject: Lyr Add: CORACHREE (from Norman Kennedy) From: Jim Dixon I have just listened to Norman Kennedy's recording on Spotify; here's my attempt at a transcription. No doubt anyone more familiar with Scots than I am will want to make lots of adjustments in my spelling, plus there are some outright gaps and probable errors that need to be corrected. But I hope this will be helpful to those who are relying on memory. CORACHREE As recorded by Norman Kennedy on "Ballads & Songs of Scotland" (Folk-Legacy, 1968) Twas on a summer's evenin I gaed oot tae tak the air Fen comin in be Tarland toun I spied a lonely pair The youth was tall an haunsome and the maid was fair tae see And I kennt their destination wasnae far fae Corachree Twas looks and cocks that motions (?) as they did pass me by The sun was set; the nicht was fine; I heard that they did say I pulled my plaidie roun me and I set my cap agie Twas a' tae watch their motions comin in by Corachree Haufwey up the avenue they baith set doon tae rest He put his hands aroun her sayin my dear I love ye best A maiden ye hae sutten doon an … tae me But a maiden ye'll ne'er walk again on the grass o Corachree Oh Sandy lad ye'll ne'er deny that deed that ye ha deen My apron strings are broken; Lord, my hair flees wi the wind My maidenheid has taen a fricht; it's fairly flown awa And the session clerk'll get tae ken this deed ye've deen tae me Cheer up, my bonnie lassie; ye needna care a fig There's mony's the bonnie lassie gaes daily on the rig There's mony's the bonnie lassie, aye, an jist as guid as thee But a maiden ye'll ne'er walk again on the grass o Corachree He comes doon in the evenin as often as he can He comes doon in the evenin jist tae see his lonely Anne They talk their lane o auld lang syne an naebody can see But ye'll easy find oot a their beds are doon by Corachree |
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06 May 18 - 05:36 AM (#3922470) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Coracree/Corrichree/Corachree From: GUEST,Michael Giblin You'll find it here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ux4TxFWj9-Q |
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13 Feb 21 - 04:35 PM (#4092989) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Coracree/Corrichree/Corachree From: GUEST,Conan McDonnell Just remembered this thread from a while ago, and it was indeed Allan Carr's version I had heard on the radio. Thanks to Michael and everyone else who contributed and who has laid to rest one of those songs that's been bugging me for years. Sorry it's taken me so long to get back with my thanks. Hope you're all well Conan |