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15 Dec 99 - 02:27 PM (#149903) Subject: 'Westphalia Waltz' origin? From: Nathan in Texas Anyone have evidence showing where this jam session standard came from? I've seen it listed as "traditional Polish." The "Handbook of Texas Online" in the section on Westphalia, Texas, says "Cotton Collins, a fiddle player for the Lone Star Playboys, composed a "no-name" waltz in 1946. After a dance[in Westphalia, Texas], local citizens suggested the song be titled the "Westphalia Waltz." It was first recorded by the Lone Star Playboys." Any evidence of this tune before 1946? |
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15 Dec 99 - 05:56 PM (#150009) Subject: RE: Help: 'Westphalia Waltz' origin? From: honestfrankie To Nathan, Westphalia is part of Europe that as far as I know has sort of passed back and forth between Poland and Prussia/Germany over the years. Texas also boasts the earliest Polish American settlment in a place called Panna Maria(The Virgin Mary). I have heard Polish words sung to this tune that go on about a woman asking a doctor when is the best time for loving. that's all I can spew off about the song except that lots of early settlers in America were not Irish/Scotts so not all the old folk songs are derived from those sources. |
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15 Dec 99 - 07:56 PM (#150070) Subject: RE: Help: 'Westphalia Waltz' origin? From: Willie-O That's interesting to hear, because Westphalia Waltz is popular in the upper Ottawa Valley, and I've wondered about the name too. And there's a settlement called Wilno which was the first Polish settlement in Canada in the mid-1800's. Bill C |
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15 Dec 99 - 09:28 PM (#150117) Subject: From: _gargoyle Researching family history it has become confusing.... We always said, "We are German" But others said "We are Prussian" However, the map says that as of today "We are Polish" (something we NEVER will accept!!!)
A little like the "Alsace region of France" the area becomes whoever the current occupiers are.
Here are a few leads to other web sites with the Waltz:
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15 Dec 99 - 09:46 PM (#150127) Subject: RE: Help: 'Westphalia Waltz' origin? From: _gargoyle Sorry, as usual, this is a double post. The Real Audio(concertina) is found here Westphalia Concertina |
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15 Dec 99 - 09:47 PM (#150128) Subject: RE: Help: 'Westphalia Waltz' origin? From: _gargoyle Well lets make this a TRIPLE POST....go to http://letsche.inav.net/genealogy/ripke/ for the recording.....Concertina Westphallia |
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15 Dec 99 - 10:38 PM (#150147) Subject: RE: Help: 'Westphalia Waltz' origin? From: Les B And all these years I thought it came from the German settlements near Westphalia, Missouri. You learn something new every day here at the Mudcat ! I also believe the tune was used a few short years ago for a country/western weeper called "The Last Cheater's Waltz". |
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16 Dec 99 - 06:07 AM (#150254) Subject: RE: Help: 'Westphalia Waltz' origin? From: Wolfgang Westphalia is in the west of Germany and has never ever been in dispute between Germany and Poland. Wolfgang |
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16 Dec 99 - 08:45 PM (#150602) Subject: RE: Help: 'Westphalia Waltz' origin? From: Bob Landry My Dad played the Westphalia Waltz for as long as I remember (the 1950's). He once said to me that they weren't allowed to play it during WW II. He was in the Canadian army at the time, stationed throughout various posts in Nova Scotia. I have no idea if his comment was true or not. Bob |
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15 Mar 03 - 10:53 AM (#910668) Subject: RE: Help: 'Westphalia Waltz' origin? From: GUEST,Dan Hello, my mother in law is named Jackie Collins who was related to Cotton Collins. The family story is that he indeed wrote the Westphalia Waltz around 1946 for a dance in Westphalia, Texas. The family still plays it and dances at our reunions today. |
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01 Oct 06 - 12:15 PM (#1847577) Subject: RE: Origins: Westphalia Waltz From: GUEST,Clay Barker I just want to hear a very pleasant and dreamy piano verson on this internet in the form of midi or wav etc, I wanted one for a webpage but can only find raw sounding mechanical versions or tutorial type versions. Its a very beautiful song regardless of its origin. Clay |
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01 Oct 06 - 02:22 PM (#1847658) Subject: RE: Origins: Westphalia Waltz From: Scoville As per GUEST, Dan--it's a common tune here in Texas and I've always heard it claimed that it was from here. Not that that makes it true, but it's hardly surprising considering how many Germans settled here. I don't even live in the REALLY German part and the schools in my area are named things like Wunsche, Hildebrandt, Wunderlich, Klein, etc. All of them. You get the picture. |
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01 Oct 06 - 02:34 PM (#1847671) Subject: RE: Origins: Westphalia Waltz From: GUEST,punkfolkrocker although its been stuck with an undeserved bad reputation and does take seriuos liberties with historical accuracy.. the less butchered DVD edit of "Heaven's Gate" movie is a magnificent evocation of those days of east european migration.. ..and one of the best movie OST's ever.. |
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01 Oct 06 - 06:33 PM (#1847834) Subject: RE: Origins: Westphalia Waltz From: Sorcha And I am soooo tired of playing it..... |
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01 Oct 06 - 09:04 PM (#1847922) Subject: RE: Origins: Westphalia Waltz From: Q (Frank Staplin) Mickey Newbury recorded it as "Westphalia Texas Waltz" because there were so many inquiries about it. Sorcha, give them the "Euthanasia Waltz" by Phil Collins. |