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30 Jun 17 - 03:08 PM (#3863621) Subject: BS: NRA a Terrorist Organization? From: Greg F. I'm the NRA and I'm a terrorist. Click here |
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30 Jun 17 - 04:53 PM (#3863644) Subject: RE: BS: NRA a Terrorist Organization? From: Steve Shaw What they are, disgracefully, are a powerful, unelected lobby group that can't be opposed by any US administration. In that regard they are in the same category as the pro-Israel lobby. Speak against them in anything other than in the most vague and veiled terms and you are political toast. And this manifestation of a severe loss of democracy takes place in the Land of the Free. |
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30 Jun 17 - 05:11 PM (#3863647) Subject: RE: BS: NRA a Terrorist Organization? From: Steve Shaw An in too far. |
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30 Jun 17 - 06:28 PM (#3863661) Subject: RE: BS: NRA a Terrorist Organization? From: bobad the pro-Israel lobby There are over 3,500 registered lobby groups and more than 12,000 registered lobbyists in the US. Arab and Muslim countries receive seven times the amount of aid than does Israel. But hey, lets demonize Israel on a thread that has absolutely nothing to do with Israel because AIPAC, the regime, the government, the state etc, etc.....nudge, nudge, wink, wink! |
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30 Jun 17 - 06:37 PM (#3863664) Subject: RE: BS: NRA a Terrorist Organization? From: Steve Shaw Ah, the stalker strikes. However. No-one has demonised Israel. I am demonising the largely non-Jewish pro-Israel lobby who exercise an undemocratic behind-the-scenes stranglehold on the US administration. Focus on that and try not to let your ideology and bigotry blind you just for once. In other words, stick to the point or bugger off, Mr Vexatious (or Miss? Who knows? Going from your past dual-identity behaviour you could be both). |
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30 Jun 17 - 06:40 PM (#3863665) Subject: RE: BS: NRA a Terrorist Organization? From: Steve Shaw Oh, and I'm cheerily demonising the NRA. Both setups, unfortunately, show how flawed our democracies are. If it isn't lobby groups it's big corporations. And it happens here too. |
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30 Jun 17 - 06:53 PM (#3863666) Subject: RE: BS: NRA a Terrorist Organization? From: Steve Shaw Incidentally, your aid figures are wildly and wilfully misleading. Israel and the occupied West Bank get almost identical sums of US aid per capita. No other country gets even half as much per capita. You "forgot" the per capita bit, didn't you? Vast sums go to Egypt (to keep them onside with the West and to stop the country from becoming a total basket case, which would wreck US interests in the region) and Afghanistan, already a west-inspired basket case, similar. And to Jordan, that other fine, democratic bastion of the West. At least TRY to be honest. |
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30 Jun 17 - 07:01 PM (#3863668) Subject: RE: BS: NRA a Terrorist Organization? From: bobad Your protestations give you away Shaw but keep digging your hole, I'm enjoying the spectacle. |
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30 Jun 17 - 07:15 PM (#3863670) Subject: RE: BS: NRA a Terrorist Organization? From: Steve Shaw You were deliberately misleading about the aid, simple as that. Your intention was to deceive, no more, no less. Now run along, laddie. I intend to discuss the NRA if you don't mine from here on. |
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30 Jun 17 - 07:24 PM (#3863671) Subject: RE: BS: NRA a Terrorist Organization? From: bobad I intend to discuss the NRA if you don't mine from here on. Glad to see you got the message, keep trying that shit and I will call you on it every time. |
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30 Jun 17 - 07:36 PM (#3863673) Subject: RE: BS: NRA a Terrorist Organization? From: Steve Shaw Er, but YOU went totally off-message in your first post! You're a bit weird, aren't you? 😂 Dunno whether I'd call the NRA terrorists in themselves, Greg. They certainly encourage people to have guns, and the US has an awful lot of gun terrorism... I imagine that the NRA would rather that didn't happen, but I also imagine that they are a long way from acknowledging their significant role in making those events far more likely. |
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30 Jun 17 - 08:25 PM (#3863674) Subject: RE: BS: NRA a Terrorist Organization? From: Greg F. Read the article a bit more closely, Steve, re: what the National Repugnant[or Republican?] Assholes are actually advocating with this latest advert. Sounds pretty treasonous to me. |
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01 Jul 17 - 02:49 AM (#3863688) Subject: RE: BS: NRA a Terrorist Organization? From: Jim Carroll I re-watched 'Bowling for Columbine' recently and wondered why something hasn't been done about these 19th century frontier thugs long ago. "But hey, lets demonize Israel" One terrorist group at a time, if you don't mind Bobad Don't let this fanatic wreck an interesting thread so early please Jim Carroll |
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01 Jul 17 - 05:12 AM (#3863710) Subject: RE: BS: NRA a Terrorist Organization? From: Iains One great advantage of a gun owning democracy is that it has the means to keep the government scared of the people. Cease to have that and you cease to have democracy. |
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01 Jul 17 - 07:28 AM (#3863729) Subject: RE: BS: NRA a Terrorist Organization? From: Stu "Cease to have that and you cease to have democracy." Dickhead. |
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01 Jul 17 - 07:34 AM (#3863731) Subject: RE: BS: NRA a Terrorist Organization? From: Jim Carroll "Cease to have that and you cease to have democracy." WHAT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Jim Carroll |
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01 Jul 17 - 07:56 AM (#3863736) Subject: RE: BS: NRA a Terrorist Organization? From: Steve Shaw "One great advantage of a gun owning democracy is that it has the means to keep the government scared of the people. Cease to have that and you cease to have democracy." I thought I'd seen everything here. How wrong I was! 😂 |
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01 Jul 17 - 09:10 AM (#3863747) Subject: RE: BS: NRA a Terrorist Organization? From: Jim Carroll A new York doctor has just been reported running riot with an assault rifle in a hospital - another doctor dead, several severely wounded - he killed himself Probably "scaring the Government for democracy" - waddya think Iains? Jim Carroll |
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01 Jul 17 - 09:31 AM (#3863754) Subject: RE: BS: NRA a Terrorist Organization? From: Greg F. to keep the government scared of the people. And the Alex Jones/Michael Savage award for absolute bulshit goes to...... |
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02 Jul 17 - 10:41 AM (#3863879) Subject: RE: BS: NRA a Terrorist Organization? From: goatfell Yes |
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02 Jul 17 - 11:33 AM (#3863886) Subject: RE: BS: NRA a Terrorist Organization? From: Stilly River Sage Steve, ignore the apologist for the very bad behavior of the Israeli government. Thinking people know that they continually snatch defeat from the mouth of victory when it comes to peace with policies intended to keep radicals stirred up in the entire region. The practice of stirring up people is also a strong suit of the NRA. The NRA is the mouthpiece of the gun manufacturers and sales parties but they bear no responsibility when disasters happen - indeed - they become more belligerent and suggest that more guns, not fewer, would have solve some particular catastrophe. It helps increase sales/profits. |
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02 Jul 17 - 04:31 PM (#3863931) Subject: RE: BS: NRA a Terrorist Organization? From: bobad Thinking people know that they continually snatch defeat from the mouth of victory when it comes to peace with policies intended to keep radicals stirred up in the entire region In 1937, the Palestinians were offered a state (Peel Commision), they said NO. In 1947, The Palestinians were offered a state (UN Partition), they said NO. In 1967, The Palestinians were offered a state (Khartoum), they said NO. In 2000, the Palestinians were offered a state (Camp David), they said NO. In 2001, the Palestinians were offered a state (TABA), they said NO. In 2008, the Palestinians were offered a state (Olmert offer), they said NO. In 2015, the Palestinians were offered a state (French sponsored UN offer), they said NO. Each time it was offered and they refused, they resorted to violence against Israel. What do you think the Palestinians really want? Don't let facts stand in the way of your bigotry. |
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02 Jul 17 - 05:43 PM (#3863942) Subject: RE: BS: NRA a Terrorist Organization? From: Steve Shaw I suppose it's way beyond their wit to look at countries which have much stricter gun laws and far fewer guns and see that it's plainly the other way round. As for bearing no responsibility, it's a bit like the UK bearing no responsibility for the Saudi attacks on civilians in Yemen using the weaponry we provided. Nice to be one step removed. That way, no-one can call you a terrorist. |
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02 Jul 17 - 05:48 PM (#3863944) Subject: RE: BS: NRA a Terrorist Organization? From: olddude When I was a kid, they were just all about hunting safety and responsible conservation. Today they are off the wall crazy in most cases. They still offer good safety training but are now just bat shit nuts |
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02 Jul 17 - 07:02 PM (#3863952) Subject: RE: BS: NRA a Terrorist Organization? From: Greg F. They've been bat shit crazy for quite some time, Dan. I sent them my membership card & told them to shove it just before the first President Bush did the same. Now they've morphed into a terrorist hate group supporting the piece of shit in the White House & his lies. |
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02 Jul 17 - 07:45 PM (#3863955) Subject: RE: BS: NRA a Terrorist Organization? From: Stilly River Sage You just illustrated how they work, Bobad. The Israeli government gets up the nose of the Palestinians any time there is a peace accord in order to push it off track, to make it look like the Palestinians are to blame. Now back to the NRA. The big flap a couple of weeks ago about Megyn Kelly doing the interview on NBC with Alex Jones is because he is such an apologist (there's that behavior again) for the NRA that any shooting on such a scale must be bogus. Kelly gave him time to air his views, essentially equal time to walk all over the conversation that rational people are trying to have regarding the preponderance of guns in the U.S., easily available to mentally ill individuals and criminals. That make suicide too easy, that are the weapons used in so much domestic violence. |
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02 Jul 17 - 09:04 PM (#3863963) Subject: RE: BS: NRA a Terrorist Organization? From: bobad The Israeli government gets up the nose of the Palestinians any time there is a peace accord in order to push it off track, to make it look like the Palestinians are to blame Care to provide evidence of your claim? I thought not. While you're busy not providing that evidence let us know what the "Palestinians" demands are and what they propose to be the boundaries of the so called "Palestinian" state. |
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02 Jul 17 - 09:13 PM (#3863964) Subject: RE: BS: NRA a Terrorist Organization? From: Steve Shaw I could give you the same advice as you gave me, Acme. He's a waste of time. I do try to take my own advice sometimes but not often enough. Apologist can seem too kind a word sometimes. I didn't know about the interview. The best answer to conspiracy theories is ridicule. My dad doesn't believe in the moon landings. He's read some guff about the Van Allen belts. I asked him why he thought that not a single one of the ten thousand people who worked on the Apollo programme has blown the whistle in 50 years. But nothing can stop him. Leave him to enjoy his fantasies. As with most conspiracy theorists, he harbours several other such outlandish notions. He's convinced that LBJ had Kennedy killed from his car and he has the street layout, the precise injury details and the car positions to prove it. And mo'. |
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02 Jul 17 - 09:57 PM (#3863968) Subject: RE: BS: NRA a Terrorist Organization? From: robomatic Too bad a legitimate thread title and subject had to get thrown off at second post. Given the knowledge the poster had of this forum and its various adherents, a clear case of Jew baiting on the part of an ASB. The anti-Israel circle-jerk finds a new thread up which to muck. Aw, but to contribute a thread-title para-quote, from the wingnut representing the NRA, which in the past has had legitimate aims and means, "It takes a good guy with mideast knowledge to take out a bad guy with mideast knowledge." Everyone feel better? I really didn't think so. |
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03 Jul 17 - 02:48 AM (#3863978) Subject: RE: BS: NRA a Terrorist Organization? From: Jim Carroll "Care to provide evidence of your claim?" Yup - it's called history Bobad You've said it yourself a dozen times - all the Palestinians have to to is give up the homeland which has been systematically stolen from them (go look at the 'before and after' maps) and piss off and let their friends take care of them elsewhere. Every single peace accord that has been rightfully rejected has involved the Palestinians accepting the status quo, forgetting returning to the territory that has been stolen, forgetting any idea of the refugees that have been driven out (the largest single group on the planet) and forgetting that they might have equal rights You are the most toxically vociferous to have claimed that the Palestinians have no claim on the land they have occupied for many centuries and everybody who disagrees with you automatically becomes a "Jew Hater" - so you antisemitically blame the Jewish Paople for what has happened Jim Carroll |
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03 Jul 17 - 06:56 AM (#3864020) Subject: RE: BS: NRA a Terrorist Organization? From: bobad The anti-Israel circle-jerk.... Nice one Robo but I would call it what it really is. |
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03 Jul 17 - 07:11 AM (#3864023) Subject: RE: BS: NRA a Terrorist Organization? From: Steve Shaw The point made in the second post about lobby groups in the US was perfectly legitimate in the context of the NRA being a powerful, unelected lobby group in the US, just like AIPAC and its satellites. There's no Jew-baiting going on and the point was perfectly on-topic as further illustration of how groups like the NRA can exert undue influence in US politics, just like those big corporations and just like AIPAC. You have developed a bad habit of popping up like the worst kind of troll, robomatic, and the ugly condescension you employ is just laughable in view of the paucity of your post contents. If you want to revisit the real derailing, look again at the third post in the thread and make an honest man of yourself. |
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03 Jul 17 - 07:12 AM (#3864024) Subject: RE: BS: NRA a Terrorist Organization? From: Steve Shaw Sorry, fourth post. |
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03 Jul 17 - 07:27 AM (#3864025) Subject: RE: BS: NRA a Terrorist Organization? From: bobad 3,500 lobbying firms in Washington but the only one Shaw can ever think of to demonize is AIPAC - Jew baiting at its finest. |
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03 Jul 17 - 08:25 AM (#3864030) Subject: RE: BS: NRA a Terrorist Organization? From: saulgoldie First off, I think the use of the word "terrorist" is way overused to give way too much press to any old nutjob or jobs who just want to kill people and make the news. Having said that, lookie over here: The Gunning of America: Business and the Making of American Gun Culture by Pamela Haag (Author) She explains how the gun industry has driven the discussion under the convenient cover of the NRA. America's history and "love affair" with the gun was a series of brilliant PR campaigns by the gun industry over many decades going way back to the 1800s. Saul |
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03 Jul 17 - 10:11 AM (#3864050) Subject: RE: BS: NRA a Terrorist Organization? From: Steve Shaw Really, boobs? I think I've mentioned the NRA a good few times too, boobs, unlike you, who have mentioned only the one lobby group. The one that the thread isn't about. We campaign in this country for young men not to carry knives. The honest truth is that carrying a blade makes life far more dangerous for you. I can't see how how that doesn't apply to guns too. There are many reasons for the US gun culture, lobbying by the NRA being at the forefront. I can't help thinking that an awful lot of Hollywood macho heroes are heroes because they were good at shooting people without making too much blood come out. |
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03 Jul 17 - 01:39 PM (#3864094) Subject: RE: BS: NRA a Terrorist Organization? From: Greg F. How Far We've Come..... can we boot the goddamn Middle East the hell out of this thread where it don't belong?? |
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03 Jul 17 - 06:10 PM (#3864124) Subject: RE: BS: NRA a Terrorist Organization? From: Steve Shaw Sure thing, Greg. But my mention was in the solid context of the influence of lobbies in the US, of which the NRA is just one. Large corporations exert similar undemocratic influence. It would be absurd to follow that line of discussion forced to leave out one of the most egregious examples. That's all. The resident stalking troll derailed us. I believe I should have been able to say what I did, which was germane to the thread discussion, without that happening. I'm pretty straightforward and I have better things to do than to cause mischief. But yep, let's stick to the gun lobby. I am trying. |
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03 Jul 17 - 07:55 PM (#3864139) Subject: RE: BS: NRA a Terrorist Organization? From: Greg F. I understand where you're coming from, Steve, but lets not give the usual arseholes cause to spew. ;>) Not that they won't do it anyway. Meanwhile, back to Tom Paxton..... |
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03 Jul 17 - 08:15 PM (#3864141) Subject: RE: BS: NRA a Terrorist Organization? From: Steve Shaw An irony here, Greg, is that lobby groups such as the NRA thrive on being able to squash the free speech of their adversaries whilst claiming that they are ardent advocates of free speech. "Speak freely and there will be consequences." I think I know what they mean. Try to brief against them and here they are, coming to get you... |
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03 Jul 17 - 09:27 PM (#3864151) Subject: RE: BS: NRA a Terrorist Organization? From: bobad He can't help himself Greg, he suffers from the Dr. Strangelove right arm syndrome. |
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04 Jul 17 - 05:31 AM (#3864190) Subject: RE: BS: NRA a Terrorist Organization? From: Steve Shaw You can't even get your insults right. I'm a southpaw. |
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04 Jul 17 - 10:36 AM (#3864263) Subject: RE: BS: NRA a Terrorist Organization? From: Greg F. Uh, Boo, I wasn't referring to Steve at 03 Jul 17 - 07:55 PM. Hullo, Steve - one major difference ( & this the last thread-drift comment from me) is that the NRA has significantly more innocent blood on its hands than does AIPAC. |
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04 Jul 17 - 01:23 PM (#3864280) Subject: RE: BS: NRA a Terrorist Organization? From: Steve Shaw Er, not sure about that... |
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04 Jul 17 - 01:36 PM (#3864281) Subject: RE: BS: NRA a Terrorist Organization? From: Greg F. There have been 1,516,863 gun-related deaths in the U.S. since 1968.I haven't been able to find good statistics on woundings, cripplings, traumatic brain injuries, etc. |
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04 Jul 17 - 03:12 PM (#3864299) Subject: RE: BS: NRA a Terrorist Organization? From: Steve Shaw I could produce a big number but not that big. You win! 😉 |
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04 Jul 17 - 05:19 PM (#3864326) Subject: RE: BS: NRA a Terrorist Organization? From: bobad Steve, ignore the apologist for the very bad behavior of the Israeli government. I'm no apologist because there is nothing to apologize for - it's the haters who should be apologizing. |
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04 Jul 17 - 05:39 PM (#3864330) Subject: RE: BS: NRA a Terrorist Organization? From: Steve Shaw Throw him a bone, somebody. |
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04 Jul 17 - 07:23 PM (#3864344) Subject: RE: BS: NRA a Terrorist Organization? From: bobad Wow Shaw, a real thigh slapper - you must have exhausted all your resources to come up with that. |
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05 Jul 17 - 02:07 AM (#3864381) Subject: RE: BS: NRA a Terrorist Organization? From: Jim Carroll "Jew baiting at its finest." Why do you scum continue to associate the crimes of Israel with the Jewish people? While you do this you will never rise above the level of 'troll extraordinaire' on this forum You are a coward and an antisemite by your very nature Holding Jews collectively responsible for actions of the state of Israel. However, criticism of Israel similar to that leveled against any other country cannot be regarded as antisemitic. EUMC Working Definition of Antisemitism Jim Carroll |
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05 Jul 17 - 09:16 AM (#3864442) Subject: RE: BS: NRA a Terrorist Organization? From: bobad User Name Thread Name Subject Posted [PM] Jim Carroll BS: Palestine (657* d) RE: BS: Palestine 23 Oct 11 I have claimed that there are comparisons ("echoes" is the word I used) to be drawn between the behaviour of the Nazis towards the Jews, and that of the Israelis towards the Palestinians Drawing comparisons of contemporary Israeli policy to that of the Nazis is anti-Semitic. EUMC Working Definition of Antisemitism |
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05 Jul 17 - 10:18 AM (#3864454) Subject: RE: BS: NRA a Terrorist Organization? From: robomatic Jim Carroll just writted italics mine: ""Jew baiting at its finest." Why do you scum continue to associate the crimes of Israel with the Jewish people?" the classic tweet of a self-identifying bigot. I'm trying to avoid being drawn by the other twits who've poisoned this thread but that one was too too much to ignore. Reminds me of the joke that ends with: "We've already established what you are, now we're just discussing price!" |
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05 Jul 17 - 11:46 AM (#3864466) Subject: RE: BS: NRA a Terrorist Organization? From: Greg F. Can Y'all PLEASE ignore the regular boiler-plate bullshit spew from Bubo and at least make an EFFORT to keep this thread on topic? Or are we going to flush yet another thread down the toilet? |
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05 Jul 17 - 12:17 PM (#3864470) Subject: RE: BS: NRA a Terrorist Organization? From: Steve Shaw Yep! |
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05 Jul 17 - 12:32 PM (#3864472) Subject: RE: BS: NRA a Terrorist Organization? From: Steve Shaw Yep, let's ignore the two trolls is what I meant. I'll roll 'em into one: Roboboobs. Saves typing time. Pity the mods aren't gunning for them... Whaddam I like! |
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06 Jul 17 - 04:01 AM (#3864555) Subject: RE: BS: NRA a Terrorist Organization? From: Jim Carroll "the classic tweet of a self-identifying bigot." The classic response of a hypocrite who claims to have the interests of the Jewish people at heart but is happy to stand by and see a large number of them written off as "self-hating" by an extremist right-wing regime who is adopting the same policies towards the Arab People as was meted out to the Jews. Jim Carroll |
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06 Jul 17 - 08:04 AM (#3864594) Subject: RE: BS: NRA a Terrorist Organization? From: Greg F. Jaysus, Jim - put a farking sock in it, will ya? |