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28 Sep 17 - 09:35 AM (#3879111) Subject: Obit: Hugh Hefner (Playboy), 1926-2017 From: GUEST,Mrrzy Mysogynist yeah yeah, but he actually put a mixed-race, here called black, woman in the centerfold in 1966. Sports Illustrated's first swimsuit issue with such a model wasn't till 1996. |
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28 Sep 17 - 10:43 AM (#3879118) Subject: RE: Obit: Hugh Hefner (Playboy), 1926-2017 From: meself As the other fella said, you can't really say he's gone to a better place ... ! |
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28 Sep 17 - 12:36 PM (#3879144) Subject: RE: Obit: Hugh Hefner (Playboy), 1926-2017 From: Donuel All the best to his four kids. Just don't take after your President. |
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28 Sep 17 - 01:07 PM (#3879151) Subject: RE: Obit: Hugh Hefner (Playboy), 1926-2017 From: punkfolkrocker How long will they have to wait for the viagra to wear off before they can close the coffin lid...??? |
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28 Sep 17 - 01:27 PM (#3879154) Subject: RE: Obit: Hugh Hefner (Playboy), 1926-2017 From: keberoxu Traditional music, not so much: but a lot of quote-unquote "countercultural" figures were interviewed in this magazine. Years ago I was hunting for interviews with a movie star, who shall remain nameless, thanks anyway. Big deal. And, going through Playboy Magazine interviews (must have been a book anthology), I stumbled upon Alex Haley interviewing Miles Davis. Highly, highly recommended, that interview. It may have changed my life. |
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28 Sep 17 - 01:48 PM (#3879161) Subject: RE: Obit: Hugh Hefner (Playboy), 1926-2017 From: Donuel Hugh wanted to be a cartoonist. Instead he paid fortunes to Al Jaffee. Jules Feiffer. Shel Silverstein. Arnold Roth. "Plastic Man" creator Jack Cole. Those are just a few of the legends who drew for Playboy magazine. PS I am no Feiffer or Silverstein. I am a Gahon Wilson. |
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28 Sep 17 - 02:29 PM (#3879165) Subject: RE: Obit: Hugh Hefner (Playboy), 1926-2017 From: fat B****rd RIP Hef |
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28 Sep 17 - 03:09 PM (#3879172) Subject: RE: Obit: Hugh Hefner (Playboy), 1926-2017 From: meself Kind of sad to reach the age when you really were reading it for the articles ... ! |
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28 Sep 17 - 07:01 PM (#3879188) Subject: RE: Obit: Hugh Hefner (Playboy), 1926-2017 From: Steve Shaw He was a shallow pornographer who exploited women AND gullible men in order to make his fortune and live his dissolute lifestyle. Yet he pretended that he was "liberating" people. He was doing the exact opposite, and he did it, cynically, by staying just within the law. A scumbag who contributed nothing to humanity. Good riddance. |
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28 Sep 17 - 08:59 PM (#3879209) Subject: RE: Obit: Hugh Hefner (Playboy), 1926-2017 From: robomatic But there were really great articles! |
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28 Sep 17 - 09:03 PM (#3879211) Subject: RE: Obit: Hugh Hefner (Playboy), 1926-2017 From: punkfolkrocker yes, my mum and dad allowed me to blutack the fold out 'articles' of miss June 1973 above my bed... |
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28 Sep 17 - 11:07 PM (#3879219) Subject: RE: Obit: Hugh Hefner (Playboy), 1926-2017 From: meself How old were you then? Or: how old was Miss June 1973 by then? |
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29 Sep 17 - 12:18 AM (#3879222) Subject: RE: Obit: Hugh Hefner (Playboy), 1926-2017 From: punkfolkrocker 1973 - I was 14... For the sake of pedantic historical accuracy.. she might actually have been miss July...??? Damn.. now I need to google research every centrefold from Jan 1972 to December 1974 just to scrupulously confirm the facts... 😜 |
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29 Sep 17 - 12:23 AM (#3879223) Subject: RE: Obit: Hugh Hefner (Playboy), 1926-2017 From: punkfolkrocker ..anyway, in the 1980s I much prefered "Escort" and "Razzle"... proper Trad British culture... 🙄 |
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29 Sep 17 - 07:29 AM (#3879257) Subject: RE: Obit: Hugh Hefner (Playboy), 1926-2017 From: Jim Carroll Wonderful cartoon in this morning's Times showingBoris Johnson, arse to the fore, in Bunny-girl costume on the fromt page of Playboy The caption reads, "Entertainment for Tories, How I screwed Britain - my biggest boobs, BreXit rated) I remember Playboy from my days as ann apprentice; there were always copies lying around the workshop. I tried to read them but the pages always broke off! Jim Carroll |
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29 Sep 17 - 08:44 AM (#3879268) Subject: RE: Obit: Hugh Hefner (Playboy), 1926-2017 From: Donuel Some of the best progressive minds and anti Viet Nam War giants gathered at his mansion. Steve you just objectified Hugh more than Hugh objectified women. And that's a lot to say. Remember the Pentagon papers? Of course not. They were in Playboy. Looking through the lens of today can throw the past out of focus. The Pentagon Papers were published by The New York Times, not Playboy. |
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29 Sep 17 - 09:22 AM (#3879279) Subject: RE: Obit: Hugh Hefner (Playboy), 1926-2017 From: Jim Carroll Hefner may have had a less dark side but he was still part of the team who made his fortune out of making women appear 'available' Remind me, apart from providing the contents of a tasty stew, what are BUNNIES best known for Jim Carroll |
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29 Sep 17 - 09:29 AM (#3879280) Subject: RE: Obit: Hugh Hefner (Playboy), 1926-2017 From: punkfolkrocker Donuel - just because a person is an amoral exploitative profiteering sleazy scumbag don't mean they are entirely incapable of inadvertently, or even intentionally, doing occasional acts of good in their otherwise despicable lives... .. even Presidents...??????? That tiny ray of optimism should be inspiration for us all... 😜 |
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29 Sep 17 - 11:55 AM (#3879311) Subject: RE: Obit: Hugh Hefner (Playboy), 1926-2017 From: Steve Shaw He made his fortune out of objectifying women. He was no use at all to the human race. |
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29 Sep 17 - 12:02 PM (#3879315) Subject: RE: Obit: Hugh Hefner (Playboy), 1926-2017 From: Jim Carroll I belive Goebells was very fond of cats and Mussolini did make the trains run on time Jim Carroll |
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29 Sep 17 - 12:32 PM (#3879322) Subject: RE: Obit: Hugh Hefner (Playboy), 1926-2017 From: punkfolkrocker .. can I just add.. that whole iconic bunny girl imagery, fake smile and fake tits, is just shite... |
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29 Sep 17 - 10:59 PM (#3879401) Subject: RE: Obit: Hugh Hefner (Playboy), 1926-2017 From: Donuel If you only think of sex = Hefner you are missing a lot. He was a pioneer of progressive thought and behavior. He sold a fantasy everyone knew was a fantasy, except Steve. Its true that any masturbation fantasy has a whole lot of objectifying going on, except Steve. When the legend becomes licentious and believable, print the legend. Except for those who have their own narrative that Hugh invented lust and dismissive attitudes toward women. He gave control of the Magazine to his daughter. That said he is not a leading hero nor was he an evil malevolent man. |
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29 Sep 17 - 11:26 PM (#3879402) Subject: RE: Obit: Hugh Hefner (Playboy), 1926-2017 From: punkfolkrocker errrmmm.. [alt universe scenario] If Hitler had a daughter, and passed her the family business.. would the rest of the world go.. "wow.. cool.. Hitler is a pro feminist.. at last we got a female dictator hell bent on ruling the world.."...??? 'Real feminists might have a particular view of Hefner and his daughter... http://theweek.com/articles/727580/liberalisms-hugh-hefner-problem |
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30 Sep 17 - 03:23 AM (#3879406) Subject: RE: Obit: Hugh Hefner (Playboy), 1926-2017 From: Jim Carroll "If you only think of sex = Hefner you are missing a lot." If you7 don't think of how he presented women you are ignoring the damage he did to them Jim Carroll |
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30 Sep 17 - 08:27 AM (#3879441) Subject: RE: Obit: Hugh Hefner (Playboy), 1926-2017 From: Steve Shaw Hefner's whole modus operandi was to get men thinking about sex and buying his magazine. Don't accuse me of not being mainstream in my fantasy world and I won't accuse you of being a porn freak for defending a blatant pornographer, okay? |
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30 Sep 17 - 09:09 AM (#3879444) Subject: RE: Obit: Hugh Hefner (Playboy), 1926-2017 From: Donuel You are saying Hugh created the systemic subordination of women. At that time women had mothers who had not been allowed to vote. Leave it to Hugh Hefner to cause men to think about sex hahahaha I think 'prurient' interests preceded Hugh. needless to say he was not Hitler When I think of pornographers I think of the owner of Hustler magazine. When I consider Hugh, he presented women one dimensionally for his consumer driven buyers, but not exclusively. Lord Steve, no one here needs or wants you to write their obituary. Maybe you have scored some Puritan morality points but speaking ill of the dead is pretty darn easy like shooting [fill in blank] in a barrel. |
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30 Sep 17 - 09:29 AM (#3879447) Subject: RE: Obit: Hugh Hefner (Playboy), 1926-2017 From: punkfolkrocker A woman taking over a business founded on exploitation of women serving conservative one dimensional male fantasies is surely significantly different from porn made by women for women, or porn made by non profit seeking amateurs to celebrate and share non abusive sexuality... ..and here I'm only talking about basic naked people extrovertly showing their fun bits and 'doing it'... Not even attempting to delve into 'kinky' fetish watersports/scat/S&M arena.... Porn is a complex cultural & behavoural phenomena and does not fit tidily into simplistic moralistic or ideological constraints... I'm a keen fan of altruistic not for profit amateur porn... .. the folk music equivalent of the porn industry... 😜 |
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30 Sep 17 - 09:48 AM (#3879454) Subject: RE: Obit: Hugh Hefner (Playboy), 1926-2017 From: punkfolkrocker Tezza - aptly for a porn thread, you are talking bollocks... I never link things I don't like to fascism - that is too crude and simplistic... I never call anyone a fascist... because I learned too much about the word and it's historical specifics.. But I do enjoy tongue in cheek [..ooh.. porn thread..] playfulness with the stereotypes and peculiarities of old mr hitler and his gang of fun merchants... 🙄 So then tezz.. seeing as you come in here thinking you got me and the others all worked out, what types of jazz mags & vids do you have under the bed or in your shed...???? Or don't you have any thing at all to say about the actual thread subject in your unending total war on shaw and his 'cronies'...???? |
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30 Sep 17 - 09:49 AM (#3879456) Subject: RE: Obit: Hugh Hefner (Playboy), 1926-2017 From: Donuel punkfolkrocker you are indeed a complex enlightened guy. I still recall your advice about not driving a boring car to the pearly gates. I took it. Teribus only some of it is BS. Some of it is real Human S. |
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30 Sep 17 - 03:36 PM (#3879502) Subject: RE: Obit: Hugh Hefner (Playboy), 1926-2017 From: Steve Shaw I did not say that Hefner created the systemic [sic] subordination of women and I'll thank you for for sticking to the truth if you don't mind. |
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30 Sep 17 - 03:51 PM (#3879508) Subject: RE: Obit: Hugh Hefner (Playboy), 1926-2017 From: Donuel You said you wanted an argument, this is indignation. Arguments are down the hall in Brexit. It's also an obituary thread. -mod |
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03 Oct 17 - 12:15 AM (#3879933) Subject: RE: Obit: Hugh Hefner (Playboy), 1926-2017 From: Stilly River Sage Adding a final word, for those upset with Hef: Speaking Ill of Hugh Hefner. |