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BS: Sexual Misdemeanours

06 Nov 17 - 05:46 AM (#3887022)
Subject: BS: Sexual Misdemeanours
From: Raggytash

Here you go, a thread just so you can discuss it without messing up the Brexit thread.


06 Nov 17 - 05:56 AM (#3887025)
Subject: RE: BS: Sexual Misdemeanours
From: Mr Red

there are those that get turned on by Brexit.

Oh hush ma mouth!


06 Nov 17 - 06:05 AM (#3887027)
Subject: RE: BS: Sexual Misdemeanours
From: Steve Shaw

Makes me ashamed to be a bloke at times. No party political points to be made here. Labour's shit has yet to hit the fan!


06 Nov 17 - 08:23 AM (#3887058)
Subject: RE: BS: Sexual Misdemeanours
From: Donuel

Mr. Red, There are those who grab Brexit by the country.


06 Nov 17 - 08:45 AM (#3887062)
Subject: RE: BS: Sexual Misdemeanours
From: Mrrzy

Donuel, shame on you for making me laugh at that.


06 Nov 17 - 08:46 AM (#3887064)
Subject: RE: BS: Sexual Misdemeanours
From: Bonzo3legs

I'm told they are forming a new "Grope-ative party!!!


06 Nov 17 - 09:35 AM (#3887074)
Subject: RE: BS: Sexual Misdemeanours
From: Greg F.

I'm told they are forming a new "Grope-ative party!!!

What office are they running Ake for?


06 Nov 17 - 09:43 AM (#3887077)
Subject: RE: BS: Sexual Misdemeanours
From: Raggytash

Strange isn't it. One poster in particular was trying to divert another thread so I opened this one, just for him.

Guess what he hasn't posted to it, in four hours.


06 Nov 17 - 09:44 AM (#3887078)
Subject: RE: BS: Sexual Misdemeanours
From: Raggytash

Come to think of it, he didn't post to the Boris Johnson and Russia thread I also opened just for him.


06 Nov 17 - 10:50 AM (#3887097)
Subject: RE: BS: Sexual Misdemeanours
From: Stu

Some posts have been deleted, mine included as they were off topic. I've got to stop rising to the bait :-) 🐟


07 Nov 17 - 03:27 AM (#3887207)
Subject: RE: BS: Sexual Misdemeanours
From: Mr Red

There are those who grab Brexit by the country. LOL

But seriously. I predicted a new puritanism was due. But I didn't see it would be this one. Just shows what is on your radar. But all the more welcome for its arrival.

As Churchill said Power corrupts, and absolute power corrupts absolutely

But I see the pendulum swing past at times in the future. It is a two edged swordid!

I remember maybe 30 or more years ago that a politician opined "there is a case for a Whitehall Brothel" - and you can sort of see the logic.............


07 Nov 17 - 05:24 AM (#3887240)
Subject: RE: BS: Sexual Misdemeanours
From: Steve Shaw

It was Lord Acton in 1887:

"Power tends to corrupt and absolute power corrupts absolutely."


07 Nov 17 - 01:48 PM (#3887342)
Subject: RE: BS: Sexual Misdemeanours
From: Mr Red

Didn't stop Churchill re-iterating it.


07 Nov 17 - 07:01 PM (#3887411)
Subject: RE: BS: Sexual Misdemeanours
From: Steve Shaw

He didn't reiterate it. He misquoted it.


08 Nov 17 - 03:24 AM (#3887431)
Subject: RE: BS: Sexual Misdemeanours
From: Mr Red

pardon my pedantry but whatever was said before Churchill, or even before Lord Acton, whether documented or ney:

The post reads As Churchill said and He did!

If we are being pedantic I think you will find my attribution was accurate enough, moreso than a poorly worded rejoinder.

Knowing the nature of these things the quotation was not worded "as coined by", quite consciously.

Mr Pedant


08 Nov 17 - 03:26 AM (#3887433)
Subject: RE: BS: Sexual Misdemeanours
From: Mr Red

Power does not corrupt men; fools, however, if they get into a position of power, corrupt power. even GBS was not averse to re-using the concept.


08 Nov 17 - 05:46 AM (#3887460)
Subject: RE: BS: Sexual Misdemeanours
From: Steve Shaw

Think I'll return to the Fanny Power thread. She was incorruptible.


08 Nov 17 - 09:02 AM (#3887515)
Subject: RE: BS: Sexual Misdemeanours
From: Donuel

Doing it upside down underwater is either a sexual misdemeanor
or an American sub prime mortgage.


08 Nov 17 - 09:46 AM (#3887520)
Subject: RE: BS: Sexual Misdemeanours
From: Donuel

The entire Independent Order of Odd Fellatios
Any Francis Ford Copulate movie
Vibrating Tampons with remote
G spot tattoo
Prefering 20 9 year olds to 29 year olds


08 Nov 17 - 10:09 AM (#3887528)
Subject: RE: BS: Sexual Misdemeanours
From: Donuel

Christian Sodomy Dating Services;
Put 'Faith' in your bed
50 Shades of Starfish
Holy of the month club


08 Nov 17 - 10:18 AM (#3887535)
Subject: RE: BS: Sexual Misdemeanours
From: Donuel

Apple i Phock app


...Oh this thread wasn't meant literally?


08 Nov 17 - 11:35 AM (#3887552)
Subject: RE: BS: Sexual Misdemeanours
From: John on the Sunset Coast

There are no longer such things as "sexual misdemeanor." While most, perhaps, do not meet the legal definition of a felony, they they are seen as such in the mind of the public in today's cultural climate. Sorry, but I don't find this thread as humorous as many of you do.


08 Nov 17 - 11:59 AM (#3887555)
Subject: RE: BS: Sexual Misdemeanours
From: Donuel

So exactly what are the new rules and correct words?
High Crimes and Misdirectives
Criminal Cruel Crudeness
Aggressive maleing

Is there not a line between violent deviancy and Rape?
I thought it was assault OR Rape.


08 Nov 17 - 12:22 PM (#3887562)
Subject: RE: BS: Sexual Misdemeanours
From: Donuel

Consent should always be the iron clad standard to determine assault and rape.

If 32 million dollars is the price to avoid rape charges, how much does murder cost?


08 Nov 17 - 01:49 PM (#3887575)
Subject: RE: BS: Sexual Misdemeanours
From: Donuel

oops there goes another diversion thread... plop


10 Nov 17 - 08:24 AM (#3887856)
Subject: RE: BS: Sexual Misdemeanours
From: Donuel

Exposing Sexual crimes have moved from the Clergy to the entertainment industry to Society in general. (except Trump who has caused a backlash)
Now its Louis C K comedian.

To catch a predator is one thing. What if it becomes criminal* for any male to initiate sex? Will only women be allowed to initiate sex? Or should Puritanism apply to all?

I am stirring the pot but there are additional questions regarding the arena of misconduct. What are the new rules and is there a statute of limitations?

*Non violent 1st degree Male aggression


11 Nov 17 - 02:56 AM (#3887971)
Subject: RE: BS: Sexual Misdemeanours
From: Mr Red

Let's face it, it is a jungle out there.

And like all shifts in society there are consequences. It is the price you pay for progress.


13 Dec 17 - 03:45 PM (#3893800)
Subject: RE: BS: Sexual Misdemeanours
From: Donuel

In one month these issues are now a movement called 'Metooism' with withering purging power.

We use to call him Al.

Bill is a pill.

Many are gone already and many are ready to go.

the English version of this thread is in Damian Green.


13 Dec 17 - 06:59 PM (#3893850)
Subject: RE: BS: Sexual Misdemeanours
From: michaelr

Teacher: Can you form a sentence containing the word "harassment"?

Jimmy: I didn't care for her face but harassment a lot to me.


13 Dec 17 - 08:32 PM (#3893857)
Subject: RE: BS: Sexual Misdemeanours
From: Donuel

Tweet that joke to Trump, I'm hoping he'll retweet it.


14 Dec 17 - 07:18 PM (#3894036)
Subject: RE: BS: Sexual Misdemeanours
From: keberoxu

"Bye, Felicia" ? Who is Felicia?


15 Dec 17 - 07:58 AM (#3894087)
Subject: RE: BS: Sexual Misdemeanours
From: Mrrzy

As either both a bloke and a sheila, or neither, I gotta say, it'll be nice when everybody grows up.


15 Dec 17 - 01:36 PM (#3894173)
Subject: RE: BS: Sexual Misdemeanours
From: Donuel

Its too late to grow up for james Levine, Donald and a vast cast of mongrel moguls.


15 Dec 17 - 02:41 PM (#3894179)
Subject: RE: BS: Sexual Misdemeanours
From: robomatic

There are two good addemdums to the "Power Corrupts" Meme:

1) So does weakness.

2) But is also rocks (absolutely).


18 Dec 17 - 09:00 AM (#3894499)
Subject: RE: BS: Sexual Misdemeanours
From: Mr Red

Just saw a clickbait about What is Alabama rot? Signs and symptoms of the disease

Coincidence or wierd algorithms or someone deciding "now it the time to post this"

But ya gotta laugh.................. but it certainly was a Dogday Afternoon!


18 Dec 17 - 06:18 PM (#3894602)
Subject: RE: BS: Sexual Misdemeanours
From: Stilly River Sage

I've been waiting for this - a discussion of just how journalists decide to go with the stories of women who were assaulted by powerful men - when there were no charges filed or law enforcement agencies involved. There is a process that involves lots of interviews.

It isn't perfect - it sounds like Tavis Smiley got the raw end of things without knowing who is claiming abuse, and PBS, that should know better, isn't saying. There are discussions of who can address this, if Matt Damon is tone deaf (it comes down to the allusion to levels of misbehavior compared to cancer - it's all cancer, just different stages - he doesn't get that.)


19 Dec 17 - 06:39 AM (#3894650)
Subject: RE: BS: Sexual Misdemeanours
From: Donuel

There is a blowback against the resignation of Sen. Franken. Now that Moore lost, the Al resignation is misplaced.
Due process is also missing for Tavis.

Sexual McCarthyism?

Allow MeToo movement to use due process but block punishment by innuendo.

I used to teach the police to give all credence to women victims of rape and ignore any initial doubting and banish the notion she was asking for it.
I also included a more humane interview of victims using hypnotic techniques.

I never expected we would ignore due process.


20 Dec 17 - 06:15 AM (#3894842)
Subject: RE: BS: Sexual Misdemeanours
From: Mr Red

It's a jungle out there. Let's face it.

I noticed long since that the law is a Shield for the victim. And Shields are heavy and pack a punch when wielded. Which is not lost on those with an agenda.

And due process is not necessarily needed to achieve an agenda.

But numbers do help to build a picture ............. sometimes.


20 Dec 17 - 07:20 AM (#3894862)
Subject: RE: BS: Sexual Misdemeanours
From: Donuel

When due process has been corrupted, you are right. It needs to be repaired.

Mob rule put women under the thumb of men. It can also squash men.


08 Apr 18 - 04:21 PM (#3915961)
Subject: RE: BS: Sexual Misdemeanours
From: keberoxu

The power mongers are still tripping over what is now in plain sight.

Now there's a public address by Tony Robbins
when he quoted men who will no longer hire
qualified job candidates
who happen to be attractive-looking women.

And the audience reared up and talked back. Good for them.


10 Apr 18 - 01:33 PM (#3916391)
Subject: RE: BS: Sexual Misdemeanours
From: keberoxu

What Tony Robbins did a few days ago, it seems, is called
Mansplaining. Right.


12 Apr 18 - 12:21 PM (#3916860)
Subject: RE: BS: Sexual Misdemeanours
From: keberoxu

it has further emerged, as the Tony Robbins public speech is more closely recalled,
that Robbins was going on and on, in public and for the record,
about what a great fellow was Steve Wynn.

The same Steve Wynn who had to leave his company recently
while being charged with sexual harassment.

This is going to magnetize the whole incident
in Massachusetts,
where the Wynn corporation finally got the Commonwealth
to permit them to build a casino in the Greater Boston area.


12 Apr 18 - 06:57 PM (#3916922)
Subject: RE: BS: Sexual Misdemeanours
From: ripov

re the "power tends to corrupt" quote; was Churchill doing a cover version?


14 Apr 18 - 06:34 PM (#3917290)
Subject: RE: BS: Sexual Misdemeanours
From: keberoxu

Supermodel Janice Dickerson finally had her day in court.
It's trial number two for you-know-who.
I don't even want to spell the man's name.

I was doubtful the campaign to set the record straight
would ever progress even this far.
But the class-action plaintiffs are persistent.


15 Apr 18 - 12:00 AM (#3917314)
Subject: RE: BS: Sexual Misdemeanours
From: Joe Offer

I had a coworker who was out to get me for twenty years because I was promoted to a job that he thought he deserved to get. One thing he tried was speaking in ways that implied that I was gay. The first three times, he spoke so only I could hear. The fourth time, he said his thing in front of two other employees. I said, "OK, Rudy, this is the fourth time. I've been keeping notes, and now I've got witnesses." Never heard a peep out of him after that.

I have always been a staunch supporter of gay rights, so maybe that's what started him. His implication that I was gay put me between a rock and a hard place because I'd see nothing wrong if I were gay, but would it be construed as my being anti-gay if I complained against his remarks?

It was awkward, and I'm glad it happened only four times over a few months. I'm glad I was able to shut the bastard down so easily.

So, would that have been a "sexual misdemeanour" in the UK? In the US?

-Joe-


15 Apr 18 - 03:54 AM (#3917322)
Subject: RE: BS: Sexual Misdemeanours
From: Senoufou

He sounds like a homophobic and bitter person Joe. You handled it well, but shouldn't have had to put up with that.
Here in UK it would have come under misconduct and harassment in the workplace. Also, homophobic remarks are regarded as a crime and the perpetrator can be prosecuted if, as you said, there are witnesses.
It was more than a 'misdemeanour' and not sexual since it involved words not sexual actions.


14 Jul 18 - 03:41 PM (#3937374)
Subject: RE: BS: Sexual Misdemeanours
From: Raggytash

Oh dear, another Tory minister has had to resign!

Andrew Griffiths is the latest.


24 Dec 18 - 11:17 PM (#3968250)
Subject: RE: BS: Sexual Misdemeanours
From: keberoxu

Not misdemeanor, but felony, in the case of Kevin Spacey.
This case is poignant.
Spacey has turned in some noteworthy professional performances
but now that he is on Twitter
with a video referencing the show he was fired from ...
even Roseanne didn't take it this far.
Does he know reality from make-believe any more?


25 Dec 18 - 02:43 PM (#3968289)
Subject: RE: BS: Sexual Misdemeanours
From: Big Al Whittle

Poem about the English Class System

When he showed his willy to the cleaner
They said, that's a sexual misdemeanour
But then he showed The Queen his poloney
And they said it was a feloney!


27 Dec 18 - 02:01 PM (#3968482)
Subject: RE: BS: Sexual Misdemeanours
From: Donuel

The best defense against defamation is the truth.
"Not that there is anything wrong with that" :^/
Perhaps there is room for modifying our tort laws.


13 Aug 19 - 06:42 PM (#4004492)
Subject: RE: BS: Sexual Misdemeanours
From: keberoxu

Look whose turn it is now.

Associated Press on Plácido Domingo


13 Aug 19 - 07:02 PM (#4004496)
Subject: RE: BS: Sexual Misdemeanours
From: Nigel Parsons

All stories which have been given (apparently) to "Associated Press". Have any of these women given their stories to the police? There is no evidence that the police have been informed in the article (also by) Associated Press.

Is US law the same as UK? Innocent until proven guilty?
If so, why are Associated Press making such a big thing about unsubstantiated reports?


13 Aug 19 - 07:02 PM (#4004497)
Subject: RE: BS: Sexual Misdemeanours
From: Nigel Parsons

Of course, if he's a sexual predator, he deserves to be brought to account. But why publish hearsay?


13 Aug 19 - 07:37 PM (#4004499)
Subject: RE: BS: Sexual Misdemeanours
From: Steve Shaw

He's one of my heroes. Very distressing to hear this. Justice first.


14 Aug 19 - 10:58 AM (#4004509)
Subject: RE: BS: Sexual Misdemeanours
From: Mrrzy

The law is a shield for the victim? In what universe?


14 Aug 19 - 04:29 PM (#4004559)
Subject: RE: BS: Sexual Misdemeanours
From: Bill D

I just mentally composed about 3-4 comments on this subject.... all from different perspectives... and I couldn't see how to shorten any of them to make a clear, simple point. (the following, I assure you, IS an edited and shortened form of 60 years of reflection on it all. ?). I am unable right now to join those who can create clever, humorous comments. I'm not condemning jokes... I'm just overwhelmed by the number of recent cases involving celebrities whose behavior has made this such a public spectacle.

The problem is, human sexual attitudes and pressures... and resultant behaviors... are maddeningly complex.
'Most' issues are about male behavior, and there are biological explanations for the basic drives... but permissible actions are dependent on different cultural norms and laws that try to define and regulate them. But within any system, there are men who try to subjectively 'adapt' the rules... and women who either submit to pressure, or demand that men follow both thew law AND their personal wishes.... and then there are infinite gradations in personal attitudes in both men & women.

There is 'simple showing interest'...................... and forcible rape. And somewhere on that line are 'misdemeanors'. Al Franken and Placido Domingo are somewhere on that line, and perhaps most males have been, at a minimum, near the left end. Bill Cosby and Epstein... and Trump are right at the far right end.... but even that end has branches to refer to gross, criminal behavior of different sorts.

When accusations are made, some of them are just about unwanted, unpleasant advances, as in Franken and Domingo, and some are about obviously criminal behavior if substantiated. Some women are fairly adept at rejecting advances, and some, whether out of confusion, fear or calculated risk, don't bother.
To complicate it all further, when complaints are filed, some are treated seriously and some are not, depending on police, prosecutors, and eventually judges. There is NO doubt that some male prosecutors and judges have memories of their own transgressions of earlier times and make decisions on the subjective "they were asking for it" or "it's only natural urges" or "no lasting harm done" rationalizations.

   What has happened recently is publicity in the media that both allows women to TELL their stories and provides support and confirmation OF the ubiquitous nature of such careless or dangerous male behavior.
Nothing will ever solve the root nature of sexual pressures and desires, but it seems the floodgates are open a bit to head society into a new admission that the issue cannot be swept under the rug any longer.


16 Aug 19 - 03:19 PM (#4004764)
Subject: RE: BS: Sexual Misdemeanours
From: leeneia

'Most' issues are about male behavior? What about

welfare queens
whores
hos
nymphos

There's plenty of sexual hate aimed at women.


16 Aug 19 - 06:16 PM (#4004783)
Subject: RE: BS: Sexual Misdemeanours
From: Bill D

? leenia.. the thread was 'Sexual Misdemeanours'. I don't see any list about who is 'hated' the most. The 4 you refer to are of course societal problems of various sorts, but for actual mis-behaviors that need to be addressed by law and early training in values, I think that male attitudes toward women pretty well are the most common and cause the most anguish. In some ways, 'whores' are a by-product of male behavior... (and how do you distinguish between 'hos' and 'whores'?)

Yes, many men 'hate' women to cover up their own inability to attract women... which can lead to rape...etc.

I suppose some women harbor dislike for other women, but that's hard to quantify.

You'll have to clarify your point better for me to see where you are going...


19 Aug 19 - 01:23 PM (#4005137)
Subject: RE: BS: Sexual Misdemeanours
From: keberoxu

The New York Times weighs in on Plácido Domingo.