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09 Jan 18 - 11:06 AM (#3898362) Subject: BS: Virgin V Mail From: Raggytash Here's one right up your street Steve, Virgin Train have stopped stocking the Daily Mail !! Handbags at dawn ! |
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09 Jan 18 - 11:16 AM (#3898365) Subject: RE: BS: Virgin V Mail From: Charmion The Mail clearly has trouble with the notion of taking responsibility for its content. But I gather that's not news ... ? |
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09 Jan 18 - 11:55 AM (#3898375) Subject: RE: BS: Virgin V Mail From: Senoufou Would they ban someone from carrying one onto the train? I like to do my crossword and puzzles... |
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09 Jan 18 - 12:28 PM (#3898385) Subject: RE: BS: Virgin V Mail From: Steve Shaw Great! Now for Murdoch... |
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09 Jan 18 - 12:30 PM (#3898386) Subject: RE: BS: Virgin V Mail From: Steve Shaw Though oddly I can get a free copy from Waitrose with my Waitrose card if I spend ten quid... And I do, occasionally, just to see what feeds the bigots... |
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09 Jan 18 - 12:31 PM (#3898387) Subject: RE: BS: Virgin V Mail From: Raggytash Don't know why but I can't see Murdoch travelling by train!! |
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09 Jan 18 - 12:35 PM (#3898388) Subject: RE: BS: Virgin V Mail From: Senoufou I don't like the idea of censorship in this manner. It's a free country, and one can read a legal publication, surely? I like the health pages, the women's section and the letters. But I don't bother with the articles. It takes me ages just to do all the four pages of puzzles. My husband loves it - he runs down to the village shop to buy it for me, as it gives him an hour of blissful peace while he relaxes.. |
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09 Jan 18 - 12:59 PM (#3898393) Subject: RE: BS: Virgin V Mail From: Raggytash You won't be banned from taking it on the train Eliza, Virgin themselves won't be selling it, that is all. Sadly much of what is printed is misleading, shall we say. For example: Last week I was in the barbers and had a quick look at it. It carried an article with banner headlines castigating a Labour minister Richard Burgon (in the last Labour government) for something that happened at the Crown Prosecution Service during his tenureship. Only well into the article did it actually say he may not have even known about the particular case they mentioned and that he was not directly involved in the case. Nevertheless the headline said he was a fault. Misleading is being generous I feel. |
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09 Jan 18 - 01:16 PM (#3898397) Subject: RE: BS: Virgin V Mail From: Raggytash My apologys, I put an incorrect name it was Keir Starmer they castigated. The following day they printed the article attached: Link |
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09 Jan 18 - 01:26 PM (#3898400) Subject: RE: BS: Virgin V Mail From: Senoufou They do have a terrible reputation for racism and right-wing extremism don't they Raggytash? My husband likes The Verdict (sports pages) and the Hour of Peace!! My more upper-crust sister tries frequently to raise the standard of my choice of journalism by plugging the Times. While she can whizz through their very hard crossword in record time, I find it a bit tricky. I suppose I could buy the Times and use its cover to disguise my scurrilous Mail on a train... |
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09 Jan 18 - 05:11 PM (#3898429) Subject: RE: BS: Virgin V Mail From: Steve Shaw How is it " censorship" when the train sells only the Mirror, Times and FT anyway? The train doesn't sell the Guardian or Indie. Yah boo! Censorbloodyship! |
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10 Jan 18 - 04:27 AM (#3898476) Subject: RE: BS: Virgin V Mail From: Senoufou Well I'm not the only one Steve. The Internet, eg Twitter, is apparently flooded with objections along the same lines (sorry for the pun) And Yah boo to you too, with knobs on!! Mler! :) |
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10 Jan 18 - 04:51 AM (#3898479) Subject: RE: BS: Virgin V Mail From: Dave the Gnome The Internet, eg Twitter, is apparently flooded with objections along the same lines Many people object to anything. There are more important issues Morrisons does not stock 'Socialist Worker' I cannot get 'The Catholic Herald' at the CofE church down the road My local newsagents does not stock 'Nuns in rubber' magazine Where are all the objections? :D tG |
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10 Jan 18 - 05:10 AM (#3898481) Subject: RE: BS: Virgin V Mail From: Senoufou Aaaagh! Hahahahahahaha Dave!!!!! Ooooh I want a copy of 'Nuns In Rubber'!! That would pass the time on the train beautifully wouldn't it? Hee hee, you've made my day! :) |
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10 Jan 18 - 06:10 AM (#3898497) Subject: RE: BS: Virgin V Mail From: Steve Shaw When I'm in Prestwich I always buy a copy of the local Jewish newspaper but I'd be gobsmacked if I saw the equivalent for sale in Bude. When I put my free copy of the Mail into my Waitrose trolley it always goes in face down with a hurriedly-obtained bag of spuds on top of it. I could get the Times or Telegraph instead I suppose. Even the Guardian, but I get that every day anyway. All I can say about the Mail's ridiculous squealing about this is that it's completely in character. It's an idiotic newspaper and I can say that because of the occasional copy I endure. If only they'd print it on absorbent and slightly thinner paper. A bit of newsprint on the bumchicks would be a small price to pay... |
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10 Jan 18 - 06:45 AM (#3898504) Subject: RE: BS: Virgin V Mail From: Dave the Gnome A rather wonderful and only slightly tongue in cheek article on the Daily Heil here on Rational Wiki Enjoy :D tG |
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10 Jan 18 - 06:53 AM (#3898505) Subject: RE: BS: Virgin V Mail From: Senoufou If it's any comfort to you all, I do use old copies of the Mail to put under the cat litter tray. Our old cat Smokey does miss his aim sometimes, and it catches the poo... |
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10 Jan 18 - 07:08 AM (#3898507) Subject: RE: BS: Virgin V Mail From: punkfolkrocker ..some might say cat poo is too good for The Mail... |
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10 Jan 18 - 09:51 AM (#3898539) Subject: RE: BS: Virgin V Mail From: Steve Shaw Could you get your pussycat to perhaps take aim at the next photo of Gove that appears in the paper? |
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10 Jan 18 - 10:01 AM (#3898543) Subject: RE: BS: Virgin V Mail From: Keith A of Hertford How is it " censorship" when the train sells only the Mirror, Times and FT anyway? The train doesn't sell the Guardian or Indie The Indie is no longer in print and the Guardian is very expensive and has a tiny readership. I believe the Mail is the biggest seller after The Sun, selling almost 10 times more than the Guardian. The 3 papers they are providing happen to be all pro-Remain, like Branson. The Mail takes a Brexit line, and was very critical of his trains being bailed out by the taxpayer. It does look like political censorship. |
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10 Jan 18 - 10:19 AM (#3898547) Subject: RE: BS: Virgin V Mail From: Nigel Parsons Hardly 'censorship'. Virgin Trains are not doing anything to block the issue of the Daily Mail, or prevent their passengers from reading it. They are no longer stocking it. I remember the uproar when the Students' Union in Cardiff insisted that the shop in the building stop stocking the Sun, because page 3 objectified women. Even that was nothing compared to when they stopped stocking any Nestle chocolate goods as a boycott because of the promotion of 'formula' milk in third world countries. |
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10 Jan 18 - 10:19 AM (#3898548) Subject: RE: BS: Virgin V Mail From: Dave the Gnome A Virgin Trains spokesperson said: “We regularly review the products we have on sale for customers in the shop onboard our west coast trains and after listening to feedback from our people, we decided in November 2017 that we would no longer stock copies of the Daily Mail. "When we stocked the Daily Mail onboard, we sold one copy for every four trains.” Simple economics and nothing to do with censorship it seems. Although, if it were me, I would continue to stock it but limit it to small squares in the smallest rooms... DtG |
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10 Jan 18 - 10:27 AM (#3898553) Subject: RE: BS: Virgin V Mail From: Keith A of Hertford "When we stocked the Daily Mail onboard, we sold one copy for every four trains." It is hard to believe that claim about the biggest selling paper after The Sun, far outselling The Times and Mirror combined. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_newspapers_in_the_United_Kingdom_by_circulation |
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10 Jan 18 - 10:27 AM (#3898554) Subject: RE: BS: Virgin V Mail From: punkfolkrocker The Mail is a shit-rag, and Branson is an arsehole... you'd think that would be a perfect match made in heaven...!!!??? |
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10 Jan 18 - 10:28 AM (#3898555) Subject: RE: BS: Virgin V Mail From: Steve Shaw Ok, so it doesn't sell the i either, which is very cheap. You have no cause for complaint. Virgin is a privatised industry and Branson is not a newsagent obliged to sell every rag going, so he can do what the hell he likes. Brexit has nowt to do with it except in your head. You could find a dozen other criteria that puts his choice of the three papers out of balance. Two Tory papers to one non-Tory paper. Not fair! Three men editors, no women. Not fair! Give it a rest, Keith. |
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10 Jan 18 - 10:29 AM (#3898556) Subject: RE: BS: Virgin V Mail From: Raggytash I did like the link to Rational wiki Dave, a thought it painted a pretty accurate picture. |
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10 Jan 18 - 10:32 AM (#3898558) Subject: RE: BS: Virgin V Mail From: Dave the Gnome It is hard to believe that claim Take it up with the Virgin spokesperson concerned. I am sure they would be happy to retract if it was wrong. DtG |
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11 Jan 18 - 06:07 AM (#3898751) Subject: RE: BS: Virgin V Mail From: Mr Red from Waitrose with my Waitrose card slippery slope PAL! You will be buying bottles Hawaiian water next! (I don't make these things up - well, unless there is an emoji) it is hard to believe that claim about the biggest selling paper after The Sun, far outselling The Times and Mirror combined. That may have something to do with who can afford the price of a rail ticket. Demographics and all that. Just saying. And anyway if the economics don't stack up and Branson is getting grief from his staff, it is a no-brainer. (with reference to the comic as well, adjective applies) |
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11 Jan 18 - 06:18 AM (#3898756) Subject: RE: BS: Virgin V Mail From: Steve Shaw I won't be buying bottled water but I am on the lookout today for their own-brand harissa paste... Pretentious, moi? |
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11 Jan 18 - 07:48 AM (#3898788) Subject: RE: BS: Virgin V Mail From: punkfolkrocker I went up the trading estate to the Waitrose for the first time in many years, to pick up a John Lewis parcel. Does that mean even I am now middle class...??? oh f@ck...!!! I was only in there about 5 minutes, and I stayed close to the customer service counter by the exit... |
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11 Jan 18 - 08:04 AM (#3898795) Subject: RE: BS: Virgin V Mail From: Senoufou Sorry, pfr, you're now a pariah! Waitrose AND John Lewis?? Good grief!! You're what Norfolk folk would call "Whooolly contaaaaaaminated"! |
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11 Jan 18 - 08:14 AM (#3898798) Subject: RE: BS: Virgin V Mail From: Keith A of Hertford Take it up with the Virgin spokesperson concerned. I am sure they would be happy to retract if it was wrong. No. I just point out that their claim is hard to believe. Every other newsagent including those in stations sell many more Mails than anything else except The Sun. Why would train passengers on Virgin trains be different from the rest? |
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11 Jan 18 - 08:58 AM (#3898810) Subject: RE: BS: Virgin V Mail From: Iains Make of it what you will! Who reads What? |
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11 Jan 18 - 09:17 AM (#3898818) Subject: RE: BS: Virgin V Mail From: Dave the Gnome Hoopla anyone? DtG |
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11 Jan 18 - 09:23 AM (#3898822) Subject: RE: BS: Virgin V Mail From: punkfolkrocker Surely old hippy Branson is missing a trick my not banning all dead tree media from his trains...??? |
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11 Jan 18 - 09:37 AM (#3898827) Subject: RE: BS: Virgin V Mail From: Steve Shaw We're not clear, Keith. Are you saying that Virgin Trains are liars? Piss or get off the pot, old boy. "Hard to believe" is pusillanimous in the extreme. |
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11 Jan 18 - 11:01 AM (#3898850) Subject: RE: BS: Virgin V Mail From: Greg F. He's saying its hard for HIM to believe, Steve. Of course, many facts are difficult for The Professor to believe, if past practice is any indication. (p.s. you're wasting your time.......0 |
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11 Jan 18 - 12:02 PM (#3898867) Subject: RE: BS: Virgin V Mail From: Keith A of Hertford I suspect they are lying about this for all the reasons I gave. |
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11 Jan 18 - 12:56 PM (#3898892) Subject: RE: BS: Virgin V Mail From: Steve Shaw I know, Greg. I'm not saying that he's biased, but he's biased... |
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11 Jan 18 - 04:51 PM (#3898939) Subject: RE: BS: Virgin V Mail From: Raggytash Dare I mention TC, and I'm not referring to the childrens programme Top Cat, which I rather enjoyed as a youngster. |
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11 Jan 18 - 06:44 PM (#3898955) Subject: RE: BS: Virgin V Mail From: Mr Red I used to go to Waitrose just to get a free cup of coffee (& nothing else). Does that make me a pretentious anarchist? |
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11 Jan 18 - 07:13 PM (#3898959) Subject: RE: BS: Virgin V Mail From: Steve Shaw Oi, pal, you have to spend ten quid to get that coffee. So what were you buying? Harissa paste? Quinoa? Big jars of salted capers? Bags of vacuum-packed clams? Unsalted albacore tuna fillets in extra virgin olive oil? Special Puglian bread for next Friday night's bruschetta with EV olive oil and chopped San Marzano tomatoes? |
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12 Jan 18 - 05:22 AM (#3899012) Subject: RE: BS: Virgin V Mail From: Keith A of Hertford Daily Mirror headline, "Jeremy Corbyn WOULD sell the Daily Mail once he renationalises the railways - reversing decision by Virgin Trains" http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/jeremy-corbyn-would-sell-daily-11829308 |
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12 Jan 18 - 06:00 AM (#3899021) Subject: RE: BS: Virgin V Mail From: Dave the Gnome Very clever ploy to get Dail Heil readers to vote for him. And they will probably fall for it :-) DtG |
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12 Jan 18 - 06:05 AM (#3899023) Subject: RE: BS: Virgin V Mail From: Senoufou My husband has just nipped out to get my Daily Heil from the village shop... (hides behind the sofa in case any Mudcat posters live near here...) |
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12 Jan 18 - 06:18 AM (#3899026) Subject: RE: BS: Virgin V Mail From: Raggytash David !! Heaven forfend, you are not really suggesting the Daily Mail readership are so naive are you !! |
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12 Jan 18 - 06:21 AM (#3899027) Subject: RE: BS: Virgin V Mail From: Dave the Gnome I think they are probably as naive as politicians are wiley :-) DtG |
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12 Jan 18 - 06:25 AM (#3899029) Subject: RE: BS: Virgin V Mail From: Raggytash Heh heh!! |
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12 Jan 18 - 09:21 AM (#3899061) Subject: RE: BS: Virgin V Mail From: punkfolkrocker Corbyn.... "Very clever ploy to get Dail Heil readers to vote for him" So if May is desperate enough, will she try to counter this by standing on the pavement outside the Downing Street gates selling Socialist Worker and Morning Star...????? |
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12 Jan 18 - 09:25 AM (#3899062) Subject: RE: BS: Virgin V Mail From: Dave the Gnome I suspect she may even cock that up, PFR. :D tG |
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12 Jan 18 - 11:57 AM (#3899105) Subject: RE: BS: Virgin V Mail From: Senoufou There's a cartoon in today's...er...Daily Mail, showing a man bound hand and foot being dangled over a huge vat of boiling melted plastic. A henchman is explaining to his mate, "He was caught reading the Daily Mail on the train" At least, that's a rough account of what he was saying. I can't check, as the paper is now under the cats' litter tray. |
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15 Jan 18 - 06:43 AM (#3899728) Subject: RE: BS: Virgin V Mail From: Mr Red Oi, pal, you have to spend ten quid to get that coffee re Waitrose. Nah, you have to spend in the cafe. I bought a banana at 25p. Originally it was just free coffee, then buy something in the cafe. Now? Dunno! I went with a lady friend and it was on the way along the canal we walked. Things change, we dance now. And all the usual papers were there to read in the cafe. Even the local rags, which are more relevant, or did I mean less opinion? |
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15 Jan 18 - 07:50 AM (#3899741) Subject: RE: BS: Virgin V Mail From: Keith A of Hertford Virgin have changed their mind and do not want to be seen as censoring what their passengers read. |
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15 Jan 18 - 07:55 AM (#3899744) Subject: RE: BS: Virgin V Mail From: Nigel Parsons Or, at least, they are re-assessing the sales, and have reintroduced them for now: BBC Virgin Group boss Sir Richard Branson said he instructed the firm to restock the paper while a review takes place. |
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15 Jan 18 - 08:04 AM (#3899746) Subject: RE: BS: Virgin V Mail From: punkfolkrocker so.. which paper broke that story about Branson borishly motorboating a singers knockers at a mega wealthy island retreat hedonistic party...??? |
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15 Jan 18 - 08:07 AM (#3899748) Subject: RE: BS: Virgin V Mail From: punkfolkrocker "boorishly".. ooh we do miss mudcat spellckeck.. |
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15 Jan 18 - 08:35 AM (#3899753) Subject: RE: BS: Virgin V Mail From: Nigel Parsons Strange, when I type 'borishly' into the 'reply to thread' box it underlines it in red and offers me the correct spelling. |
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15 Jan 18 - 08:45 AM (#3899755) Subject: RE: BS: Virgin V Mail From: punkfolkrocker Nigel - not here for some days [Chrome / Win 8.1].. yet another of the mudcat coding refurb anomalies..??? Time to try another emoticon test: ? |
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15 Jan 18 - 08:46 AM (#3899757) Subject: RE: BS: Virgin V Mail From: punkfolkrocker nope.. still don't work... |
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15 Jan 18 - 08:51 AM (#3899758) Subject: RE: BS: Virgin V Mail From: punkfolkrocker anyway, the Mail certainly seems to be one of the first mainstream UK papers to break http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5115817/Sir-Richard-Branson-accused-motorboating-singer.html |
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15 Jan 18 - 08:57 AM (#3899759) Subject: RE: BS: Virgin V Mail From: Steve Shaw So lessee, Keith, if Virgin never stocked, e.g., the Guardian, that's not really worthy of comment. That's fine. But if it stocked the Mail, then stopped stocking the Mail, that's censorship. Get real, Keith. Just about the only people who regard that as censorship are you and the Daily Mail. Well that makes sense, come to think of it. |
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15 Jan 18 - 09:06 AM (#3899764) Subject: RE: BS: Virgin V Mail From: punkfolkrocker Keith is consistently good for a chuckle or 2 on a dreary Monday morning. But my main enjoyment in this thread is a chance to take the piss out of both the Mail and old hippy tycoon Branson... |
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15 Jan 18 - 09:44 AM (#3899776) Subject: RE: BS: Virgin V Mail From: Steve Shaw Yeah, a fight with no good guys in it... |
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15 Jan 18 - 12:34 PM (#3899800) Subject: RE: BS: Virgin V Mail From: Keith A of Hertford I did not call it censorship. I quoted Virgin. OK? |
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15 Jan 18 - 12:55 PM (#3899805) Subject: RE: BS: Virgin V Mail From: Steve Shaw Yes you did. This thread, 10 Jan: "It does look like political censorship." |
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15 Jan 18 - 01:11 PM (#3899809) Subject: RE: BS: Virgin V Mail From: Raggytash Ah but Steve, Political censorship is not the same as censorship well that will be the excuse. |
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15 Jan 18 - 01:23 PM (#3899819) Subject: RE: BS: Virgin V Mail From: Steve Shaw Anyway, the Guardian is a rather lovely-looking tabloid now. I'll have to think of an alternative pejorative from now on when I'm attacking the lesser tabloids. |
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15 Jan 18 - 01:59 PM (#3899826) Subject: RE: BS: Virgin V Mail From: Keith A of Hertford I said it looked like political censorship and gave reasons. You said, Just about the only people who regard that as censorship are you and the Daily Mail. You are wrong. Virgin Trains said they did not want to appear to be censoring their passengers reading. Independent, (note I am not mentioned) "Richard Branson has overturned a decision to stop stocking the Daily Mail on Virgin Trains, a move he acknowledged had “been seen as censorship”. " https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/virgin-trains-will-stock-daily-mail-newspapers-says-richard-branson-in-u-turn-decision/ar-AAuHYh1?OCID=ansmsnnews11 |
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15 Jan 18 - 04:27 PM (#3899845) Subject: RE: BS: Virgin V Mail From: Steve Shaw Your mastery of English is second to everybody's, Keith. Jayz, I need emojees! |
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15 Jan 18 - 04:47 PM (#3899848) Subject: RE: BS: Virgin V Mail From: Dave the Gnome Differe... Oh, you know how it goes :D tG |
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15 Jan 18 - 05:14 PM (#3899852) Subject: RE: BS: Virgin V Mail From: Greg F. Chaps, there really is no point in beating a (brain)dead professor. |