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Armchair Archaeologist (via Google Earth)

15 Jan 18 - 01:12 PM (#3899810)
Subject: Armchair Archaeologist
From: Stilly River Sage

Every so often I come across an archaeological article about some new discovery and then I travel to the location via Google Earth to look around. This one, to do with desert agriculture along the ancient Silk Road route yielded quite an interesting look at that part of China.

The trick is to find the way to name the place so Google Earth can find it. "Tian Shan Mountains China" got me to the area, and then if you look at the photo in the article that gives you "Bosten Lake" you can look for the lake shape and navigate to the NW to find just the right ridges and look around and see those cisterns and fields that are clearly outlined. They stretch all down and around that small river delta.

What adventures have you taken with the help of Google Earth?


15 Jan 18 - 02:52 PM (#3899831)
Subject: RE: Armchair Archaeologist (via Google Earth)
From: Senoufou

A few years ago, I tried to view my husband's birthplace (Adjame, Abidjan, Ivory Coast) but the pictures were spoiled by loads of thick cloud. It's a tropical/equatorial climate, so there were obviously storms obscuring the satellite photo!


15 Jan 18 - 06:19 PM (#3899863)
Subject: RE: Armchair Archaeologist (via Google Earth)
From: Donuel

This is fun stuff. Even kids have found unknown pyramid ruins.

A different discovery.... http://www.newsweek.com/ancient-china-1000-year-old-royal-palace-summer-home-mongol-empire-liao-777972


http://www.newsweek.com/ancient-china-1000-year-old-royal-palace-summer-home-mongol-empire-liao-777972


16 Jan 18 - 04:21 AM (#3899911)
Subject: RE: Armchair Archaeologist (via Google Earth)
From: Will Fly

Not having the inclination for long distance travel these days, I've looked at my cousin's house in North Island, New Zealand, and at my sister's house in Tucson, Arizona - both via Google Earth.


16 Jan 18 - 08:01 AM (#3899953)
Subject: RE: Armchair Archaeologist (via Google Earth)
From: gillymor

Ir's gives you a fascinating perspective of those western U.S. trout streams I've become enamored of.


16 Jan 18 - 08:08 AM (#3899954)
Subject: RE: Armchair Archaeologist (via Google Earth)
From: gillymor

it also enhances the reading of Himalayan mountaineering books. It gives you at least a vague sense of place that you wouldn't have without having visited a certain area.


16 Jan 18 - 08:26 AM (#3899956)
Subject: RE: Armchair Archaeologist (via Google Earth)
From: gillymor

...it's also fun to follow along the trail when you're reading Western novels or American history and just about any book that's set in the outdoors.


16 Jan 18 - 06:30 PM (#3900080)
Subject: RE: Armchair Archaeologist (via Google Earth)
From: Mr Red

Looked fr my cousin's house in Coburg Ontario.

And went looking for the house I lived in in Ngiao Gorge Wellington NZ. Not so easy, since memory is unreliable and things move on in 25 years.

Saw the section (aka plot) where my neice is about to build in Napier NZ.


16 Jan 18 - 08:43 PM (#3900088)
Subject: RE: Armchair Archaeologist (via Google Earth)
From: Stilly River Sage

I suppose the ultimate success story of using Google Earth to track down places you remember from years ago is Lion. Here is some of the real story.


18 Jan 18 - 12:55 PM (#3900359)
Subject: RE: Armchair Archaeologist (via Google Earth)
From: leeneia

I sometimes use it to locate the towns named in folksongs. It's fun to discover (sometimes) that an old song is describing an actual region.

It's not digital, but a great book on archeology from above is called "History from the Air." It is about the British Isles. I got it from the library and liked it so much that I bought my own copy (used.)


25 Jan 18 - 09:05 PM (#3901828)
Subject: RE: Armchair Archaeologist (via Google Earth)
From: Stilly River Sage

Here's another one, looking up McIntyre Promontory?s frozen slopes in the Transantarctic Mountains: Antarctica fossils story


27 Jan 18 - 12:13 PM (#3902207)
Subject: RE: Armchair Archaeologist (via Google Earth)
From: Stilly River Sage

I clicked on a page in a New York Times obituary for Allison Shearmur and down at the bottom of an article about her closet (whose closet has a sitting room?) is a video player that I can't break (not even viewing source code.) For the time being an article about the remote island of Saint Helena is the first in a playlist at this Elle magazine page. Scroll down to "Watch Next" to find it. Here's a BBC story about it. It's billed as the most isolated island, but it looks like Ascension Island is a contender. Both can be explored via Google Earth.


02 Feb 18 - 01:20 PM (#3903484)
Subject: RE: Armchair Archaeologist (via Google Earth)
From: Vashta Nerada

Sprawling Mayan network discovered under Guatemala jungle

Researchers have found more than 60,000 hidden Mayan ruins in Guatemala in a major archaeological breakthrough.

Laser technology was used to survey digitally beneath the forest canopy, revealing houses, palaces, elevated highways, and defensive fortifications.

The landscape, near already-known Mayan cities, is thought to have been home to millions more Mayans than other research had previously suggested.

The researchers mapped over 810 square miles (2,100 sq km) in northern Peten.

Archaeologists believe the cutting-edge technology will change the way the world will see Mayans' ancient civilisation.


02 Feb 18 - 08:21 PM (#3903556)
Subject: RE: Armchair Archaeologist (via Google Earth)
From: Steve Shaw

A lot of the surface evidence for archaeology in Britain is on cultivated land or in upland areas. Aerial photography has long been used to pick it out, and archaeologists choose their moment carefully. Field marks often show up best in low sunlight, especially in winter when vegetation is less overwhelming, or in droughts, or when there's been a light dusting of snow. Google Earth, for all its glories, doesn't focus in that way, though it does reveal much of interest. It's easy to find my house, which is very isolated and hard to get to, but unfortunately Google Earth's resolution is low in my area. I noticed that it's updated the images since I filled in my pond this time last year. I wonder how long it'll be before it picks up the fact that I've just spread five tons of different-coloured gravel on my drive. My back's killing me.


03 Feb 18 - 01:22 AM (#3903576)
Subject: RE: Armchair Archaeologist (via Google Earth)
From: Stilly River Sage

Good one, Steve. I see that Google Earth has my house fairly close and up to date, though it's still a year or two old, based on the size of the trees. The resolution is excellent for my urban area, though it shows some kind of cartoon-ish 3D features. The small raised beds in my vegetable garden are clear, as are the paths in the back yard worn down by my dogs. I was hoping to see one of the dogs in the yard, and there might be one, but not recognizable. The garden beds show the footprint before I re-tilled it 2 years ago. Also, the photo was taken before part of the patio cover came down last year, and I think before the hail storm two years ago that punched holes in the cloth over the patio cover.


03 Feb 18 - 03:48 AM (#3903581)
Subject: RE: Armchair Archaeologist (via Google Earth)
From: Rusty Dobro

Google Street View showed an ex of mine still living in the same house after 40 years. She was putting out the wheely bins and looking puzzled by the strange camera car going by.

Ah, things could have been so different. Not better, but different...


03 Feb 18 - 08:20 AM (#3903624)
Subject: RE: Armchair Archaeologist (via Google Earth)
From: Steve Shaw

Just had another look at my patch. I can see the fields that have been newly-planted with Miscanthus, including one which was only done a few months ago, which still has very patchy growth. That's pretty up to date. The shadows are pointing more or less north, which means the pics were taken around midday, but the shadows are quite long, so, going from the colour of the vegetation, I'm guessing the the pics were updated in the autumn (my location is about fifty degrees north). You can sign up with Google to get them to alert you when your area has been updated.


03 Feb 18 - 06:18 PM (#3903692)
Subject: RE: Armchair Archaeologist (via Google Earth)
From: Stilly River Sage

Here's a group to explore in their region: The Bajau are a nomadic Malay people who have lived at sea for centuries, primarily in a tract of ocean by the Philippines, Malaysia, and Indonesia.


05 Feb 18 - 05:14 PM (#3903985)
Subject: RE: Armchair Archaeologist (via Google Earth)
From: Donuel

Countless Mayan city ruins discovered in Guatemala
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/speaking-of-science/wp/2018/02/03/mayan-civilization-was-much-vaster-than-known-thousands-of


05 Feb 18 - 05:38 PM (#3903990)
Subject: RE: Armchair Archaeologist (via Google Earth)
From: Bill D

One that I bookmarked in GE several years ago is
Ggantia
"Ggantija (Maltese pronunciation: [d?gan'ti?ja], "Giants' Tower") is a megalithic temple complex from the Neolithic on the Mediterranean island of Gozo. The Ggantija temples are the earliest of the Megalithic Temples of Malta. The Ggantija temples are older than the pyramids of Egypt. Their makers erected the two Ggantija temples during the Neolithic (c. 3600–2500 BCE), which makes these temples more than 5500 years old and the world's second oldest existing manmade religious structures after Göbekli Tepe. "


05 Feb 18 - 09:39 PM (#3904009)
Subject: RE: Armchair Archaeologist (via Google Earth)
From: Stilly River Sage

I've spent a lot of time poking around for abandoned sites that are discussed in articles like this. WHATEVER YOU DO, don't let Google convince you to switch to the new photo layer. There is very little there. Supposedly they're gradually transferring photos, but right now, you go from a view (for example) of Hirta Island, Scotland, that is dotted with photos, to a view with five iffy shots.


05 Feb 18 - 10:02 PM (#3904011)
Subject: RE: Armchair Archaeologist (via Google Earth)
From: Stilly River Sage

From that last article I poked around to find the Villa de Vecchi, east of Lake Como (look for Varenna on the eastern shore of Lake Como and move due east, into the river valley where you find Bindo to the NW of the house and Cortenova to the SE of the house.) There area few photos in the new layer, but there are probably tons of photos in the old Panoramio layer, with lots inside the house over the years. https://www.atlasobscura.com/places/villa-de-vecchi.


05 Feb 18 - 11:00 PM (#3904019)
Subject: RE: Armchair Archaeologist (via Google Earth)
From: Stilly River Sage

Here. A volcano in Iceland. Another great armchair exploration.


06 Feb 18 - 04:07 PM (#3904173)
Subject: RE: Armchair Archaeologist (via Google Earth)
From: Mrrzy

Senoufou, je me souviens du marche d'Adjame... on y allait moins souvent qu'a celui de Treichville. On allait au Plateau, d'habitude.


06 Feb 18 - 05:01 PM (#3904182)
Subject: RE: Armchair Archaeologist (via Google Earth)
From: Donuel

Ya know who started this LIDAR survey of Guatemala big time?

https://news.nationalgeographic.com/2016/05/20160511-Maya-Lost-City-Canadian-Teen-Discover-Constellations-Archaeology-Satellite-Stars-Gadoury/

updated - the old link was broken - the story changed over the months. Here is more about it


06 Feb 18 - 06:08 PM (#3904192)
Subject: RE: Armchair Archaeologist (via Google Earth)
From: Donuel

I keep saying Guatemala but the Mayan discoveries are predominantly in the northern Yucatan Peninsula.


06 Feb 18 - 07:03 PM (#3904197)
Subject: RE: Armchair Archaeologist (via Google Earth)
From: Steve Shaw

Acme, we spent two days in Varenna last June. We were staying directly across the lake in Griante in a fabulous little alberghetto and we liked Varenna so much on our first visit that we went for a second day, when we climbed (in the heat!) to Castello Di Vezia, from the top of which we had glorious views, all the better as a vicious thunderstorm the night before had cleared away the customary haze. My camera went berserk. That was one of our best holidays ever.


06 Feb 18 - 07:59 PM (#3904201)
Subject: RE: Armchair Archaeologist (via Google Earth)
From: Donuel

Taiwan trembles from a 6.4 earthquake. Are there real time satellite images?


06 Feb 18 - 08:16 PM (#3904204)
Subject: RE: Armchair Archaeologist (via Google Earth)
From: Steve Shaw

That would be Vezio. Grr.


06 Feb 18 - 08:16 PM (#3904205)
Subject: RE: Armchair Archaeologist (via Google Earth)
From: Stilly River Sage

I've wondered if there's a way to subscribe to a closer to real-time satellite service. I'm sure the FBI, the CIA, and the Kremlin do. :)


27 Jul 19 - 03:09 PM (#4002315)
Subject: RE: Armchair Archaeologist (via Google Earth)
From: Stilly River Sage

Is anyone doing any interesting armchair travelling this summer?

Archaeologists uncover ancient palace of the Mittani Empire in Kurdistan Region
Only last year, due to a lack of rainfall and water, archeologists were able to launch a spontaneous rescue excavation of the ruins exposed by the receding water levels.

The research was headed by Dr. Hasan Ahmed Qasim (Duhok) and Dr. Ivana Puljiz (Tübingen), as a joint project between the University of Tübingen and the Kurdistan Archaeology Organization (KAO) in cooperation with the Duhok Directorate of Antiquities.

"The Mittani Empire is one of the least researched empires of the Ancient Near East," Ivana Puljiz of the Tübingen Institute for Ancient Near Eastern Studies (IANES) said.

"Information on palaces of the Mittani Period is so far only available from Tell Brak in Syria and from the cities of Nuzi and Alalakh, both located on the periphery of the empire."

One of the few helpful aspects of climate change, uncovering ancient ruins.


28 Jul 19 - 02:20 PM (#4002435)
Subject: RE: Armchair Archaeologist (via Google Earth)
From: Stilly River Sage

https://www.thedailybeast.com/one-of-the-oldest-mosques-in-the-world-was-just-discovered-in-israel (you may have to disable your ad blockers.)
Archaeologists surveying a future construction site in Rahat, Israel have unearthed something unexpected: the remains of one of the oldest mosques in the world. According to the Israel Antiquities Authority (IAA), the building was constructed around 600 or 700 A.D., when the region was mostly rural farmland. If this date is correct, this means that the newly discovered mosque was built only a few years after the death of the Prophet Muhammad in 632 A.D.

I'm not sure one can fly there via Google Earth, it may not have been tagged on the map yet. If you look at the photos in the BBC article, it appears to be out on the fringes of town somewhere, and there appears to be lots of construction around the edge of town.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-49036815


28 Jul 19 - 04:53 PM (#4002452)
Subject: RE: Armchair Archaeologist (via Google Earth)
From: Helen

Not as interesting as all of your armchair travels, but when I discovered the name of the street in Wales where my Grandma was born, I Googled it and saw the row of houses where she lived. That was exciting to me. I have never travelled overseas and most likely I never will so this is the next best thing for me.

When our house was newly built and for a few years afterwards if I went to street view and virtually drove past the house at the front and turned down the side street, the front view of the verandah was partially completed and the side view showed a completed verandah. A virtual TARDIS!


28 Jul 19 - 05:19 PM (#4002456)
Subject: RE: Armchair Archaeologist (via Google Earth)
From: Bill D

Thanks, Stilly... I'll browse those and others.


30 Jul 19 - 01:07 PM (#4002705)
Subject: RE: Armchair Archaeologist (via Google Earth)
From: Mr Red


Is anyone doing any interesting armchair travelling this summer?


Do it all the time. To locate Village Halls, because they rarely have Post Codes and even if they do it could be the caretaker's house some distance.
And because I hunt OS Bench Marks (benchmarks.mister.red) I prefer to see the terrain first - narrow roads with no footpath forewarn me of the danger of any plan. And recently I found the Milestone Society website has 12000 logs and many photos, a percentage of which reveal Bench Marks - at lest 600 in total, and I don't even have to be there! Good as the Milestone Society is, they have anomalies and it is rewarding to go GE and see where the problem is or is in my imagination.

And http://what3words.com use GE - the URLs of which I publish on the Bench Mark website, so if people want to go find - I can point to within 3 metres. eg Sidmouth Anchor Gardens, where better to hold an outdoor ceilidh than at ///jumps.plus.scared or ///gladiators.bumps.games ?
or a singsong at ///sing.volunteered.values


01 Aug 19 - 04:05 PM (#4003001)
Subject: RE: Armchair Archaeologist (via Google Earth)
From: Helen

I have started watching a TV show presented by Dr Alice Roberts: King Arthur's Britain and the initial investigation begins with an aerial view of Tintagel in Cornwall, so I am planning to do a bit of armchair investigations of my own when I have finished watching the show.


02 Aug 19 - 01:11 PM (#4003052)
Subject: RE: Armchair Archaeologist (via Google Earth)
From: Bill D

If you go to Rahat, Israel on GE, there is a large construction area south of the main part of the town... and one of the images> on the story page shows houses in the background. I think the discovery must be in that basic location.


02 Aug 19 - 02:05 PM (#4003056)
Subject: RE: Armchair Archaeologist (via Google Earth)
From: Stilly River Sage

That's what I concluded also. But with so many cul-de-sac neighborhoods marked out, you can't tell exactly which one.

That reminds me - do you ever find yourself driving past a house or property and telling yourself "I'm going to look that up on Google Maps when I get home?" I often forget, doing the same exercise several times before I actually do pull up the map. Exploring my own neighborhood, in person and virtually.


02 Aug 19 - 09:31 PM (#4003093)
Subject: RE: Armchair Archaeologist (via Google Earth)
From: Bill D

Yes... I do that a lot. I also look up all my old addresses from the past.. only to find urban renewal has eaten up many of them.
But I did find an OLD B&W pic in a family album of where my father was born in 1907 in Pitcairn, PA... with the address noted. I went to GE and LO! The house is till there and recognizable and occupied. I also find ancestors' cemeteries and look up where they are buried.... and, because the Santa Fe Trail went right by a tiny town where my father went to school, there is a site that collects old pics & info about it, and my family owned the hotel there from about 1911 to 1920 or so. About 8 years ago, I sent them some info and pics, which are included near the bottom. I now have even more to send.
(and because I know where you live after the Katlaughing memorial, I browse your neighborhood also...)

My GoogleEarth placemarks are around 50-60 now.


04 Aug 19 - 08:59 PM (#4003391)
Subject: RE: Armchair Archaeologist (via Google Earth)
From: JennieG

Interesting photos, Bill! Tell me, please - what is "Booster Day", as shown in some of those pics? I have never heard the term before.


04 Aug 19 - 09:49 PM (#4003396)
Subject: RE: Armchair Archaeologist (via Google Earth)
From: Stilly River Sage

A "booster" is someone who promotes the local businesses in a community for the benefit of both. It can probably be used on a larger scale, but I'm thinking in particular of a novel. If you've ever read Sinclair Lewis's Babbitt, he is a big booster in his community.


04 Aug 19 - 10:07 PM (#4003398)
Subject: RE: Armchair Archaeologist (via Google Earth)
From: Bill D

Yep.. like an early version of Civic Associations.... promoting the virtues and attractions of the town. I have one photo of a model T with a big sign hanging on the side saying "Good Eats at Day Hotel"
I was in Lost Springs once... when I was about 10-12... for my father's HS reunion. All I really remember is that it was still small, off the main road, and had nothing for kids to do! Boosting only works when you have something to offer.


28 Aug 19 - 12:25 PM (#4006216)
Subject: RE: Armchair Archaeologist (via Google Earth)
From: Stilly River Sage

This travel is more time consuming and distant but is also interested in ancient history - Mars Missions Stop in Their Tracks as Red Planet Drifts to the Far Side of Sun. (Google Earth didn't participate in this one, but I think they do have a site for exploring the moon.) Through some glitch this page has the message repeated several times, the actual article is only five paragraphs).


31 Aug 19 - 10:09 PM (#4006732)
Subject: RE: Armchair Archaeologist (via Google Earth)
From: Stilly River Sage

Here's something interesting from Smithsonian magazine: This Map Lets You Plug in Your Address to See How It’s Changed Over the Past 750 Million Years.

Interactive Map the article describes how to use it.


09 Sep 19 - 03:06 PM (#4008168)
Subject: RE: Armchair Archaeologist (via Google Earth)
From: Stilly River Sage

This one via YouTube, Sir David Attenborough and the Giant Dinosaur, the Titanosaur, this one found in Patagonia, Argentina.

https://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-27441156

https://www.amnh.org/exhibitions/permanent/orientation-center/the-titanosaur


10 Sep 19 - 03:11 PM (#4008261)
Subject: RE: Armchair Archaeologist (via Google Earth)
From: Stilly River Sage

Bones of Roman Britons provide new clues to dietary deprivation

Researchers at the University of Bradford have shown a link between the diet of Roman Britons and their mortality rates for the first time, overturning a previously-held belief about the quality of the Roman diet.

Using a new method of analysis, the researchers examined stable isotope data (the ratios of particular chemicals in human tissue) from the bone collagen of hundreds of Roman Britons, together with the individuals' age-of-death estimates and an established mortality model.

The data sample included over 650 individuals from various published archaeological sites throughout England.

The researchers—from institutions including the Museum of London, Durham University and the University of South Carolina—found that higher nitrogen isotope ratios in the bones were associated with a higher risk of mortality, while higher carbon isotope ratios were associated with a lower risk of mortality.

Romano-British urban archaeological populations are characterised by higher nitrogen isotope ratios, which have been thought previously to indicate a better, or high-status, diet. But taking carbon isotope ratios, as well as death rates, into account showed that the nitrogen could also be recording long-term nutritional stress, such as deprivation or starvation.

Differences in sex were also identified by the researchers, with the data showing that men typically had higher ratios of both isotopes, indicating a generally higher status diet compared to women. (The rest is at the link)


12 Sep 19 - 06:51 PM (#4008629)
Subject: RE: Armchair Archaeologist (via Google Earth)
From: Stilly River Sage

Hidden Japanese Settlement Found in Forests of British Columbia



More than 1,000 items have been unearthed there, among them rice bowls, sake bottles and Japanese ceramics


13 Sep 19 - 01:09 AM (#4008643)
Subject: RE: Armchair Archaeologist (via Google Earth)
From: Helen

Is this an old enough site to be classified as "archaeology"? Probably not, but interesting:

Missing man's remains found after 22 years thanks to Google Earth


13 Sep 19 - 10:19 AM (#4008658)
Subject: RE: Armchair Archaeologist (via Google Earth)
From: Sandra in Sydney

wow!


13 Sep 19 - 11:03 AM (#4008662)
Subject: RE: Armchair Archaeologist (via Google Earth)
From: Stilly River Sage

Agreed - wow! There are lots of archaeological discoveries made this way also.


13 Sep 19 - 11:20 AM (#4008667)
Subject: RE: Armchair Archaeologist (via Google Earth)
From: Mrrzy

Helen, I was about to post that!


13 Sep 19 - 03:49 PM (#4008710)
Subject: RE: Armchair Archaeologist (via Google Earth)
From: Helen

Great minds, Mrzy!!


13 Sep 19 - 11:13 PM (#4008741)
Subject: RE: Armchair Archaeologist (via Google Earth)
From: Stilly River Sage

If your armchair was at the beach or on a boat: 11 amazing message-in-a-bottle stories.


15 Sep 19 - 10:15 AM (#4008937)
Subject: RE: Armchair Archaeologist (via Google Earth)
From: Stilly River Sage

Temple to ancient Roman cult resurrected beneath London

    In central London, seven meters underground, lies an ancient Roman temple to a mysterious god called Mithras.

    Nearly 2,000 years after the temple was frequented by the all-male members of an exclusive, enigmatic cult, it has now been faithfully restored and opened to the public.

    Visitors descend into a dimly lit cave beneath the new London headquarters of business news outlet Bloomberg. The temple slowly comes to life as torch light flickers and a recording of a low chanting fills the room.

    Channels of light and haze extend from the rocky ruins, recreating shadowy columns to give the impression of the temple's superstructure.


15 Sep 19 - 02:26 PM (#4008964)
Subject: RE: Armchair Archaeologist (via Google Earth)
From: Bill D

I was introduced to Mithra in History 101 in college about 1958. It was explained as descending from Persian Zoroastrianism and having been brought, in various forms, to Rome...probably by slaves... where gradually, Mithra became the focus until it was displaced by, as DR. J. Kelly Sowards called it "dockyards Christianity".

Here is a quote from the Zoroastrian Avesta scriptures: " We sacrifice to Mithra, The Lord of all countries, Whom Ahura Mazda created the most glorious, Of the Supernatural Yazads. So may there come to us for Aid, Both Mithra and Ahura, the Two Exalted Ones,...."
Rome has a myriad of barely explored underground tunnels and tombs. Some may never be excavated due to the city above them.


15 Sep 19 - 04:08 PM (#4008977)
Subject: RE: Armchair Archaeologist (via Google Earth)
From: Stilly River Sage

I recognize the name because it periodically comes up in historical novels. :-/


05 Nov 19 - 07:08 PM (#4017385)
Subject: RE: Armchair Archaeologist (via Google Earth)
From: WalkaboutsVerse

Interesting related programme on BBC One just now - "Earth from Space".


05 Nov 19 - 10:15 PM (#4017403)
Subject: RE: Armchair Archaeologist (via Google Earth)
From: Stilly River Sage

Canine Archaeologists Sniff Out 3,000-Year-Old Graves in Croatia

A new study shows how canines trained to find human remains could help archaeologists locate new sites

Dogs have helped law enforcement and search-and-rescue crews discover human remains for decades. But recently, a new group has enlisted the help of canines and their olfactory superpowers: archaeologists.

In a recent paper in the Journal of Archeological Method and Theory, Vedrana Glavaš, an archaeologist at the University of Zadar in Croatia, and Andrea Pintar, a cadaver dog handler, describe how dogs trained to find human remains helped them track down gravesites dating to around 700 B.C. . . .To test the dogs, Glavaš had them sniff around an area where they she had excavated three grave sites the year before. The human remains had been removed, and due to weathering, it was no longer apparent where the excavations had taken place. Two dogs, working independently, easily located all three spots.


06 Nov 19 - 06:38 PM (#4017596)
Subject: RE: Armchair Archaeologist (via Google Earth)
From: leeneia

that's interesting. And amazing. Thanks, SRS.


13 Dec 19 - 01:22 PM (#4023574)
Subject: RE: Armchair Archaeologist (via Google Earth)
From: Stilly River Sage

WWI German vessel Scharnhorst found off of Falkland Islands

Maritime archaeologists have located the wreck of the S.M.S. Scharnhorst, an armored battle cruiser that served as the flagship of German Admiral Maximilian Graf von Spee’s East Asia Squadron during World War I, the Falklands Maritime Heritage Trust announced this week.

The Scharnhorst sank in the south Atlantic on December 8, 1914, with more than 800 crew members onboard. The cruiser was one of four German ships lost during the Battle of the Falkland Islands; according to official dispatches, two support vessels from the squadron were later evacuated and scuttled.

Per a press release, the heritage trust started looking for the sunken ships on the centenary of the battle in 2014. Initial search attempts were unsuccessful, but archaeologists recently returned to the site of the naval engagement with state-of-the-art subsea exploration equipment, including a specialized vessel called the Seabed Constructor and autonomous underwater vehicles (AUVs).


The rest is at the link.

There are other views of it here.


13 Dec 19 - 06:33 PM (#4023621)
Subject: RE: Armchair Archaeologist (via Google Earth)
From: Sandra in Sydney

thanks for posting, Stilly, I now have a new bookmark (here) - Live Science, lots of interesting stuff.


14 Dec 19 - 07:14 AM (#4023673)
Subject: RE: Armchair Archaeologist (via Google Earth)
From: Donuel

Yes indeed, thanks for your Herculean efforts Professor Sage.


14 Dec 19 - 07:35 AM (#4023681)
Subject: RE: Armchair Archaeologist (via Google Earth)
From: Donuel

google lidar Earth


14 Dec 19 - 12:06 PM (#4023731)
Subject: RE: Armchair Archaeologist (via Google Earth)
From: Stilly River Sage

Lidar! Another way to get sucked into the close details using Google Earth. It's also very good for hard science.


14 Dec 19 - 01:20 PM (#4023747)
Subject: RE: Armchair Archaeologist (via Google Earth)
From: Donuel

I was comparing photos of the polar regions of Saturn and Jupiter and noticed a profound similarity. Saturn has a north polar vortex that is in the perfect shape of a hexagon. Jupiter has a brand new polar storm of 6 hurricanes that trace a hexagon shape, all surrounding a central storm. There are obviously forces that resolve into a hexagon shape around planetary gas giant polar regions. THE questions are how and why.

Ancient images of the hexagon and star of David as well as Gurjiefian and Kabalistic cosmology may have no bearing but there is an intriguing cosmic question here.


14 Dec 19 - 03:11 PM (#4023766)
Subject: RE: Armchair Archaeologist (via Google Earth)
From: Donuel

Back on Earth there are many early Olmec sites but the Mayans have on occaision built on top of other ancient structures so even lidar can not show everything.

The Olmec people interest me the most since they are the most global cosmpolitan ancient civilization I have ever seen. There are quite a few links with India Hindu statues of various gods like Garuda and Shiva as well as stone heads with African features. Europeans, not so much.

I am leaning toward India as the heart of ancient civilization. Now I will look at the genetic records, architecture and dates to see if my guess is reasonable.


14 Dec 19 - 03:22 PM (#4023769)
Subject: RE: Armchair Archaeologist (via Google Earth)
From: WalkaboutsVerse

Check the Grand Egyptian Museum's construction, not far from the pyramids.


14 Dec 19 - 03:54 PM (#4023778)
Subject: RE: Armchair Archaeologist (via Google Earth)
From: Donuel

WHY ? What do we look for?


14 Dec 19 - 03:57 PM (#4023782)
Subject: RE: Armchair Archaeologist (via Google Earth)
From: WalkaboutsVerse

Could follow its construction (will be the biggest museum in the world, I think), as priceless items are moved across Cairo from the old museum.


14 Dec 19 - 04:00 PM (#4023784)
Subject: RE: Armchair Archaeologist (via Google Earth)
From: Donuel

Ramses II does look buff.


17 Dec 19 - 12:05 PM (#4024220)
Subject: RE: Armchair Archaeologist (via Google Earth)
From: Stilly River Sage

This one is out of this world: Indian Moon Lander Crash Site located by an amateur astronomer.


17 Dec 19 - 01:04 PM (#4024234)
Subject: RE: Armchair Archaeologist (via Google Earth)
From: Iains

I am leaning toward India as the heart of ancient civilization. Now I will look at the genetic records, architecture and dates to see if my guess is reasonable.

Conventional archeology holds that the Romans built Baalbek. They may have built the temple to jupiter However this sits atop 3000ton dressed megaliths. Funny the Romans left no written record of how they moved those megaliths. Even stranger they had the technology to move them.
But this is a pattern repeated throughout the world, ancient ruins are built on top of carefully dressed megaliths. Frequently the basal craftmanship is of far greater quality than the overlying constructions.
This suggests to me that conventional archeology needs to get out and about more and rethink a few basics. Gobekli Tepi has given them a bit of a poke in the eye as far as shifting boundaries back is concerned. In the last 20000 years sea level has risen 400feet. How many ruins lie under the sea? I suspect a paradigm shift is in the offing.


17 Dec 19 - 02:22 PM (#4024252)
Subject: RE: Armchair Archaeologist (via Google Earth)
From: Stilly River Sage

Archaeological materials underwater are old news, Iains, New World and Old, with divers finding Mayan relics in an underwater cave and Robert Ballard has pushed those limits even further with discoveries of the ancient ruins under the Black Sea. To say nothing of Alexandria, Egypt, many Greek ruins, all sorts of Mediterranean stuff, etc.


17 Dec 19 - 03:26 PM (#4024265)
Subject: RE: Armchair Archaeologist (via Google Earth)
From: Iains

Not disputing some are old news. Others are more recent news. If the accepted dating of gobekli tepi is 12000BP then I would anticipate many more underwater discoveries. It is probably no exaggeration to say we know more of the surface features of Mars than the underwater features of our own planet.
The Yonaguni Island Submarine Ruins are subject to controversy as to whether they are manmade or natural.


17 Dec 19 - 06:37 PM (#4024292)
Subject: RE: Armchair Archaeologist (via Google Earth)
From: Sandra in Sydney

wikipedia on Yonaguni Monument

thanks to all who post here, I've seen so many interesting pages & bookmarked several more pages.

I've been buying 2 magazines over the past year or so as my local libraries no longer get archaeology magazines (shock, horror, no regular archaeology!) & a growing pile of magazines when I'm trying to downsize. Fortunately I have a friend who volunteers on archaeological sites ...

Current World Archaeology - Archaeological Institute of America
Current World Archaeology

sandra


17 Dec 19 - 08:17 PM (#4024308)
Subject: RE: Armchair Archaeologist (via Google Earth)
From: Bill D

When I was in college in the 1960s, I remember a lecture noting that Mohenjo-daro in India and Harappa in what is now Pakistan were some of the earliest known major cities known. Other excavations find evidence of settlements, but very few large ones.


17 Dec 19 - 08:23 PM (#4024309)
Subject: RE: Armchair Archaeologist (via Google Earth)
From: Donuel

Admiral O Voyus says it is clear that sea levels were significantly lower in the past. In addition to the underwater architecture already mentioned, there are structures remaining off of Japan, Cuba, India, China, Argentina and HERE


17 Dec 19 - 09:14 PM (#4024321)
Subject: RE: Armchair Archaeologist (via Google Earth)
From: Donuel

I am a huge Globeki Tepi fan. Some distance away in Turkey there is an underground city with ventillation and room for livestock that is nearly 20 stories deep.

I've climbed cliffside dwellings and seen pictures of mountain top temples in Nepal, Peru, underground cities and now underwater cities. We are damn clever animals especially in trying to escape other predatory people or enviorments. We are now looking to interplanatary travel while our ancestors were more advanced in building with 'unliftable stone'.


18 Dec 19 - 12:04 AM (#4024328)
Subject: RE: Armchair Archaeologist (via Google Earth)
From: Stilly River Sage

I probably saw this in Smithsonian when it first came out and forgot all about it. https://www.smithsonianmag.com/history/gobekli-tepe-the-worlds-first-temple-83613665/


19 Dec 19 - 04:51 AM (#4024531)
Subject: RE: Armchair Archaeologist (via Google Earth)
From: Iains

https://www.nationalgeographic.com/news/2015/03/150325-underground-city-cappadocia-turkey-archaeology/

https://www.nationalgeographic.com/news/2016/05/20160511-Maya-Lost-City-Canadian-Teen-Discover-Constellations-Archaeology-Satell

I wonder how that Mayan City?is going to play out.


03 Jan 20 - 11:58 AM (#4026145)
Subject: RE: Armchair Archaeologist (via Google Earth)
From: Stilly River Sage

Archaeologists find a Roman London Bridge in a very short video added to British Pathé.


03 Jan 20 - 08:21 PM (#4026243)
Subject: RE: Armchair Archaeologist (via Google Earth)
From: Sandra in Sydney

thanks, Stilly, that link led me to other good info


04 Jan 20 - 12:51 AM (#4026251)
Subject: RE: Armchair Archaeologist (via Google Earth)
From: Stilly River Sage

Down the rabbit hole, eh?


04 Jan 20 - 01:24 AM (#4026252)
Subject: RE: Armchair Archaeologist (via Google Earth)
From: Sandra in Sydney

yes!


14 Jan 20 - 03:17 PM (#4028330)
Subject: RE: Armchair Archaeologist (via Google Earth)
From: Stilly River Sage

This will keep a few of you busy. Crank up the Google Earth and start exploring. (You might want to save a copy of this map in case the link isn't durable.)

You're welcome. :)


14 Jan 20 - 06:31 PM (#4028369)
Subject: RE: Armchair Archaeologist (via Google Earth)
From: WalkaboutsVerse

Not shown on the map from SRS, Aborigines were probably trading with Malay people back then.


14 Jan 20 - 06:48 PM (#4028372)
Subject: RE: Armchair Archaeologist (via Google Earth)
From: Stilly River Sage

Many things aren't shown, this is the Big Picture wide-ranging stuff. There was lots of trading in the Americas, literally from North to South and between the coasts.


14 Jan 20 - 07:54 PM (#4028374)
Subject: RE: Armchair Archaeologist (via Google Earth)
From: Steve Shaw

I had a problem with "Ragusa" on the map, a town which I know from Sicily. Having been forced to look it up, I discovered that it's also the ancient name for Dubrovnik. So I've learned something today!


27 Jan 20 - 03:04 PM (#4030589)
Subject: RE: Armchair Archaeologist (via Google Earth)
From: Stilly River Sage

From Reddit, "The Roman Empire at its height, superimposed on modern borders" https://www.reddit.com/r/MapPorn/comments/etzi6v/the_roman_empire_at_its_height_superimposed_on/


27 Jan 20 - 06:24 PM (#4030631)
Subject: RE: Armchair Archaeologist (via Google Earth)
From: Bill D

I think Scotland is just as happy that Hadrian built that wall.

"No, nothing of interest up here. Those sheep in the south will keep you busy."


27 Jan 20 - 06:55 PM (#4030634)
Subject: RE: Armchair Archaeologist (via Google Earth)
From: Steve Shaw

Hadrian's Wall doesn't anything like follow the modern-day Scottish border. Its western end is pretty close but the eastern end is almost 70 miles south of the border. It's very unlikely that the wall was built to keep out (or in) the ravening hordes. In fact, passage across the wall was probably fairly free, and its function was more likely to be something akin to a customs border. I'm amazed and disgusted with myself that I've never seen it (even though I've crossed its path a good few times).


27 Jan 20 - 07:04 PM (#4030638)
Subject: RE: Armchair Archaeologist (via Google Earth)
From: robomatic

This is fascinating stuff. Once between flights in an airport I met a guy who had seen Youtube videos of white (Beluga) whales in Alaska and, according to him, noticed something that no one else had. He'd observed that while the whales had no dorsal fins, they were able to contract their bodies along their sleek sides and form them into a kind of triangular cross-section effectively giving their spine-side a more vertical shape. His observations had gotten him a free trip to Alaska to tell people about it.


27 Jan 20 - 07:39 PM (#4030662)
Subject: RE: Armchair Archaeologist (via Google Earth)
From: Sandra in Sydney

citizen science.


27 Jan 20 - 10:53 PM (#4030687)
Subject: RE: Armchair Archaeologist (via Google Earth)
From: Stilly River Sage

I saw this mentioned somewhere but can't find it now. Archaeologists have found a bottle with nails in it - if they want to find a modern version of that, my work bench and just about every family workshop probably has something similar. Suspected ‘Witch Bottle’ Full of Nails Found in Virginia

    In 2016, archaeologists excavating sections of a southern Virginia interstate unearthed dinnerware and a brick hearth at a Civil War encampment called Redoubt 9. Near the hearth, they found a blue glass bottle made in Pennsylvania between 1840 and 1860. Eerily, the vessel was filled with nails.

    At first, the team didn’t know what to make of the bottle, theorizing it was perhaps just a place to collect spare nails. Now, however, experts suspect the container may be a “witch bottle”—one of less than a dozen such protective talismans found in the United States to date, according to a statement from the College of William & Mary.

    Witch bottles originated in England during the 1600s, when a witch panic was overtaking Europe. Per JSTOR Daily’s Allison C. Meier, the charms were believed to use hair, fingernail clippings or urine to draw in evil spirits that were then trapped in the bottle by sharp objects like nails, pins or hooks. An alternative theory regarding the vessels suggests they were used not to fight bad luck, but to attract good luck, longevity and health.

    Placed near a hearth, metal items enclosed in the bottles would heat up, making them more effective. A witch bottle filled with fishing hooks, glass shards and human teeth, for instance, was found in an English pub’s chimney last November. . .


28 Jan 20 - 08:00 AM (#4030749)
Subject: RE: Armchair Archaeologist (via Google Earth)
From: Steve Shaw

There's a thread on it above the line, Maggie. Maybe someone thought you could get a tune out of it... :-)


28 Jan 20 - 05:53 PM (#4030868)
Subject: RE: Armchair Archaeologist (via Google Earth)
From: Donuel

Speaking of glass jars ancient Egypt had glass jars and perhaps windows


01 Feb 20 - 04:19 PM (#4031619)
Subject: RE: Armchair Archaeologist (via Google Earth)
From: Donuel

The 2 mile high glaciers over N America and Europe were mostly melted by 10 K BC. The inundation covered an area of 10,000,000 sq. mi., the size of China and Europe combined. The archeological ruins of the prior seaside civilizations would therefore be under water today. What google earth technologies allows us a peek underwater?


19 Feb 20 - 06:56 PM (#4035108)
Subject: RE: Armchair Archaeologist (via Google Earth)
From: Sandra in Sydney

Rats were the 'first curators' at Sydney museum Hyde Park Barracks Rat infestations may have been a nightmare for convicts at Sydney's Hyde Park Barracks in the 1800s, but today historians are grateful for the rodents.
Scuttering beneath the floorboards, the rats hoarded scraps of fabric, food and personal treasures.
Researchers joke that these rats inadvertently became the barracks' first curators.
The material looked like big piles of dusty, dirty rubbish when it was discovered in 1979, but archaeologists were thrilled upon closer inspection.
"It turns out the accumulated rat nests contained more than 80,000 archaeological artefacts that had been trapped under the floorboards and undisturbed for up to 160 years," said Beth Hise from Sydney Living Museums.

A short history of the Hyde Park Barracks with links to other articles on Sydney's Living Museums, including archaeology & history of music in these former homes & Government buildings.


19 Feb 20 - 08:32 PM (#4035117)
Subject: RE: Armchair Archaeologist (via Google Earth)
From: Stilly River Sage

Will LIDAR work to look under water?


20 Feb 20 - 03:12 AM (#4035136)
Subject: RE: Armchair Archaeologist (via Google Earth)
From: Iains

https://gisgeography.com/lidar-light-detection-and-ranging/


29 Feb 20 - 08:59 AM (#4036707)
Subject: RE: Armchair Archaeologist (via Google Earth)
From: Stilly River Sage

You don't have to go far, some of you, to check out this lost bit of history: Long-Forgotten Secret Passageway Discovered In A Wall At U.K. Parliament

Within the wood paneling of a hallway in the British House of Commons, there was a small brass keyhole.

Members of Parliament and staff walked past the tiny hole each day. The rare person who noticed the hole took it for an electrical cabinet.

Enter a team of historians planning the much-needed restoration of the Palace of Westminster, which is home to the House of Commons and the House of Lords. The oldest part of the estate, Westminster Hall, dates to 1099 and is still in use.

The team was at the Historic England Archive poring over some 10,000 uncatalogued documents relating to the palace when they found something interesting: plans for a doorway in the cloister behind Westminster Hall.

Back at the palace, they found that tiny keyhole in the wood paneling — just where the plan suggested it would be. They had a key made so they could open the door – and they discovered a secret passageway 360 years old. . . .


If you can't read the rest of the story from outside the US let me know and I'll paste it in later.


29 Feb 20 - 09:07 AM (#4036709)
Subject: RE: Armchair Archaeologist (via Google Earth)
From: Sandra in Sydney

thanks, stilly


27 Mar 20 - 05:12 PM (#4042490)
Subject: RE: Armchair Archaeologist (via Google Earth)
From: Helen

I decided to refresh this thread because during social isolation we can't travel in real life but we can do it virtually.


27 Mar 20 - 05:47 PM (#4042495)
Subject: RE: Armchair Archaeologist (via Google Earth)
From: Helen

Technically this probably doesn't count as an archaeological site in that I don't think anyone has dug around it looking for clues to the past but as a link to the history of our land it stacks up as one of the biggest and best:

Uluru aka Ayers Rock

For some impressive photos of the rock drag the little yellow sightseeing icon from bottom right to the Sunset Viewing Area to the right and below the rock.

But an important archaeological site in Australia is
Lake Mungo in NSW

Mungo National Park

"Scientists have discovered artefacts of this ancient culture dating back over 50,000 years across the expanses of the last ice age. This makes Mungo one of the oldest places outside of Africa to have been occupied by modern humans since ancient times."

I have said before that making some visits to outback Australia has been the highlight of my travels and I was privileged to visit Lake Mungo on a bus tour arranged through our University. We had a man who had studied indigenous people, an historian and the bus driver was a geologist. We also visited Wilpena Pound which is an impressive rock formation.

In all of the three places it was not just the sightseeing aspect which impressed me. It was the spiritual power of those places and the connection going back over 50,000 years for the indigenous people of our land.


27 Mar 20 - 07:18 PM (#4042504)
Subject: RE: Armchair Archaeologist (via Google Earth)
From: Donuel

I can see the ice age glacial scour marks in parllel that indicate direction. The glacier that carried that rock must have been a mile or more high. The rock dropped and the glacier scrubbed it from above.

50,000 years! There are some possible indications of man at 75,000.


27 Mar 20 - 07:19 PM (#4042505)
Subject: RE: Armchair Archaeologist (via Google Earth)
From: Donuel

or not?


27 Mar 20 - 07:55 PM (#4042514)
Subject: RE: Armchair Archaeologist (via Google Earth)
From: Helen

Well, I was quoting the Mungo website on the "over 50,000 years" but I recall seeing an article recently which placed them here at around 60,000 years.

I don't think glaciers had anything to do with the formation of Uluru. I'd have to do a bit of searching to find out more, but I'd be surprised if we had glaciers slap bang in the centre of Australia.


28 Mar 20 - 12:32 AM (#4042536)
Subject: RE: Armchair Archaeologist (via Google Earth)
From: Stilly River Sage

I love looking at landscapes using Google Earth. I pulled it up just now to look in north Quebec to get a link to some of the glacial scars, then noticed Lac Manicouagan, a circular lake with land in the middle. But that's not a volcanic area, so I looked it up. Wow! It's a meteor crater!

https://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manicouagan_crater
If you plug this into Google Earth or maps you should go straight to it.
51°27'24.83" N 68°43'43.84" W

What a pleasure, a site that I can go do more reading about. Thanks for reopening this, Helen. In this case, it would be for an armchair geologist or astrophysicist or whoever it is who explores meteors - but wait! This might be part of a "multiple-impact event." From Wikipedia:

The Manicouagan crater may have been part of a multiple impact event which also formed the Rochechouart crater in France, Saint Martin crater in Manitoba, Obolon' crater in Ukraine, and Red Wing crater in North Dakota. The five craters form a chain, indicating the breakup and subsequent impact of an asteroid or comet,[5] like the impacts of Comet Shoemaker-Levy 9 on Jupiter in 1994.


The Wikipedia site has several links in that paragraph.

Enjoy!


28 Mar 20 - 02:33 AM (#4042537)
Subject: RE: Armchair Archaeologist (via Google Earth)
From: Sandra in Sydney

Uluru from wikipedia

Uluru is an inselberg, literally "island mountain".[6][7][8] An inselberg is a prominent isolated residual knob or hill that rises abruptly from and is surrounded by extensive and relatively flat erosion lowlands in a hot, dry region.[9] Uluru is also often referred to as a monolith, although this is a somewhat ambiguous term that is generally avoided by geologists.[10]

The remarkable feature of Uluru is its homogeneity and lack of jointing and parting at bedding surfaces, leading to the lack of development of scree slopes and soil. These characteristics led to its survival, while the surrounding rocks were eroded.[10]

For the purpose of mapping and describing the geological history of the area, geologists refer to the rock strata making up Uluru as the Mutitjulu Arkose, and it is one of many sedimentary formations filling the Amadeus Basin.[6]


28 Mar 20 - 11:29 AM (#4042616)
Subject: RE: Armchair Archaeologist (via Google Earth)
From: Stilly River Sage

Those who have traveled through the Texas panhandle know that the region is a flat plain, cut by the passage of water (to create such marvels as Palo Duro Canyon. But north of Amarillo there is an ancient buried mountain range that pushed to the surface and is the source of metamorphic minerals (rubies, etc.) and in Central Texas there are remnant ancient mountains that have igneous granite, quartz, tourmaline, silver, etc. and topaz. While topaz is number 9 on the Moe hardness scale (diamond being 10), it formed in igneous areas, versus diamonds as carbon under pressure in metamorphic areas. Who knows, maybe one day they'll find diamonds in the Texas Panhandle.

Anyway, this riff is offered up as an appreciation of ancient rocks that stick up out of the newer surrounding stuff. It can be very interesting.


28 Mar 20 - 02:34 PM (#4042650)
Subject: RE: Armchair Archaeologist (via Google Earth)
From: Donuel

Australia started off in Antarctica https://youtu.be/UkDzSZfWFAQ

Land of glaciers

It's still moving about 20 feet Northeast per 20 years.
One day Australia will approach Hawaii.


31 Mar 20 - 10:53 PM (#4043476)
Subject: RE: Armchair Archaeologist (via Google Earth)
From: Stilly River Sage

I clipped this some time ago to add to a site I work on, but it is a great one for this thread also:

5,200-year-old grains in the eastern Altai Mountains redate trans-Eurasian crop exchange

Most people are familiar with the historical Silk Road, but fewer people realize that the exchange of items, ideas, technology, and human genes through the mountain valleys of Central Asia started almost three millennia before organized trade networks formed. These pre-Silk Road exchange routes played an important role in shaping human cultural developments across Europe and Asia, and facilitated the dispersal of technologies such as horse breeding and metal smelting into East Asia. One of the most impactful effects of this process of ancient cultural dispersal was the westward spread of northeast Asian crops and the eastward spread of southwest Asian crops.

http://www.geologypage.com/2020/02/5200-year-old-grains-in-the-eastern-altai-mountains-redate-trans-eurasian-crop-exchange.html


01 Apr 20 - 03:39 AM (#4043498)
Subject: RE: Armchair Archaeologist (via Google Earth)
From: Jim Carroll

We moved to West Clare in Ireland 20 years ago and have visited here since the early 70s, yet have never ceased being amazed by the archeological wonders of 'The Burren', fifteen miles from our doorstep
It is 250 km of limestone plateau covering most of North Clare covered with Bronze Age remains and ruined medieval churches as well as containing some rare plants in the grikes (limestone (fissures)
New sites are being worked on and opened up for public access fairly regularly and it is so respected that, after a long battle, the council was forced to close a hideous car part, visitors centre that it began to construct a few decades ago
It features on the programme of our local History Society regularly, both as a lecture topic and on our guided tour programmes
POULNABRONE DOLMEN and THE CLIFFS of MOHER tend to be overused but both are well worth a visit when the crowds have gone home
The cliffs are said to be the highest in Europe - they aren't but they've got a better publicity tear - they are in Donegal
Like all worthwhile visitors spots, it's great to take an overview, but it takes time to see the really place

The Traditional music of Clare is rightly reputed to be the best in Ireland, but the true officiados avoid Doolin like Covit 19 - that's where the visitors with 12 string guitars and Bodhrans go to listen to (or talk over) each other - try Ennis off better still (he boasted) Miltown Malbay
Well worth an Google Earth (or Bing) viewing, or better still, an as-long-as-you-can-manage visit
Caed mile failte (he said in his best Liverpool Irish)
Jim Carroll


02 Apr 20 - 04:30 PM (#4043672)
Subject: RE: Armchair Archaeologist (via Google Earth)
From: Helen

Just reading this article:

Skull of a toddler is the oldest known fossil of the earliest human, Homo erectus


02 Apr 20 - 04:32 PM (#4043673)
Subject: RE: Armchair Archaeologist (via Google Earth)
From: Helen

Oops. Lost the last "s" in homo erectus. Too long for the Mudcat Linkmaker, I'm guessing.


06 Apr 20 - 12:56 AM (#4044259)
Subject: RE: Armchair Archaeologist (via Google Earth)
From: Stilly River Sage

Fixed it. It didn't affect the link itself.

Here's one someone posted on the Mudcat Facebook page (though that isn't really the place, unless there's a song about it? I'm pasting it in with only a glance at the content)

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/05/us/maine-shipwreck-colonial.html

In 1769, a cargo ship laden with flour, pork and English goods set sail from Salem, Mass., headed to Portland, Maine.

The ship encountered a fierce storm and never made it to its destination. Now a maritime archaeologist believes he may have solved the mystery.


06 Apr 20 - 08:17 AM (#4044368)
Subject: RE: Armchair Archaeologist (via Google Earth)
From: Sandra in Sydney

thanks for posting this link, stilly


11 May 20 - 05:35 PM (#4051867)
Subject: RE: Armchair Archaeologist (via Google Earth)
From: Stilly River Sage

Here's an interesting story: The real Lord of the Flies: what happened when six boys were shipwrecked for 15 months

The article begins with a discussion of the Golding story, then switches to information about Captain Peter Warner, who discovered some boys actually shipwrecked on an island in the Tonga archipelago. This is the "armchair archaeology part of the story:

On the way home he took a little detour and that’s when he saw it: a minuscule island in the azure sea, ‘Ata. The island had been inhabited once, until one dark day in 1863, when a slave ship appeared on the horizon and sailed off with the natives. Since then, ‘Ata had been deserted – cursed and forgotten. . . .


And here's more from the article:

No one noticed the small craft leaving the harbour that evening. Skies were fair; only a mild breeze ruffled the calm sea. But that night the boys made a grave error. They fell asleep. A few hours later they awoke to water crashing down over their heads. It was dark. They hoisted the sail, which the wind promptly tore to shreds. Next to break was the rudder. “We drifted for eight days,” Mano told me. “Without food. Without water.” The boys tried catching fish. They managed to collect some rainwater in hollowed-out coconut shells and shared it equally between them, each taking a sip in the morning and another in the evening.

Then, on the eighth day, they spied a miracle on the horizon. A small island, to be precise. Not a tropical paradise with waving palm trees and sandy beaches, but a hulking mass of rock, jutting up more than a thousand feet out of the ocean. These days, ‘Ata is considered uninhabitable. But “by the time we arrived,” Captain Warner wrote in his memoirs, “the boys had set up a small commune with food garden, hollowed-out tree trunks to store rainwater, a gymnasium with curious weights, a badminton court, chicken pens and a permanent fire, all from handiwork, an old knife blade and much determination.” While the boys in Lord of the Flies come to blows over the fire, those in this real-life version tended their flame so it never went out, for more than a year. . . .

They survived initially on fish, coconuts, tame birds (they drank the blood as well as eating the meat); seabird eggs were sucked dry. Later, when they got to the top of the island, they found an ancient volcanic crater, where people had lived a century before. There the boys discovered wild taro, bananas and chickens (which had been reproducing for the 100 years since the last Tongans had left).

https://matangitonga.to/2020/04/16/ata-archaeology

http://readingthemaps.blogspot.com/2015/08/the-slave-raids-on-tonga-documents-and.html

https://www.odt.co.nz/lifestyle/magazine/sold-slavery

https://thespinoff.co.nz/books/27-02-2017/they-have-six-fingers-on-their-hands-part-1-of-the-strange-story-of-tongas-lost-island-of-ata/

https://thespinoff.co.nz/books/28-02-2017/a-masterpiece-of-pacific-story-telling-part-2-of-the-strange-story-of-tongas-lost-island-of-ata/

https://thespinoff.co.nz/books/01-03-2017/the-long-nightmare-of-imperialism-part-3-of-the-strange-story-of-tongas-lost-island-of-ata/

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%CA%BBAta

Here area few of the links I found in searching out this story. Down a rabbit hole!


11 May 20 - 09:18 PM (#4051893)
Subject: RE: Armchair Archaeologist (via Google Earth)
From: Bill D

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/?Ata

To read about it and get Google Earth link...


10 Jun 20 - 12:00 AM (#4058501)
Subject: RE: Armchair Archaeologist (via Google Earth)
From: Stilly River Sage

The Dead Sea Scrolls contain genetic clues to their origins

Animal DNA gleaned from parchments is helping researchers piece together the scrolls’ history

Researchers have used animal DNA from fragments of the Dead Sea Scrolls, including the one shown here, to identify which pieces come from the same manuscripts and where those documents originated.

Genetic clues extracted from slivers of the famous Dead Sea Scrolls are helping to piece together related scroll remnants and reveal the diverse origins of these ancient texts, including a book of the Hebrew Bible.

The scrolls are made of sheepskin and cow skin, which retain DNA from those animals. Analyzing that DNA represents a new way to figure out which of the more than 25,000 Dead Sea Scroll fragments come from the same animals, and thus likely the same documents, say molecular biologist Oded Rechavi of Tel Aviv University and his colleagues.

Findings so far suggest that the Dead Sea Scrolls reflect religious and biblical developments across southern Israel around 2,000 years ago, not just among people who lived near the caves where many scrolls were stored, as some scholars have contended, Rechavi’s team reports June 2 in Cell.


The rest is at the link.


11 Jun 20 - 10:59 AM (#4058783)
Subject: RE: Armchair Archaeologist (via Google Earth)
From: Bill D

.... and what a lot of 'rest' at the link! I got the basic point, but the details of DNA, locations, linguistic features...etc. is for scholars.
What I, personally, took from the link is that there were several
'versions' of certain biblical manuscripts, and that decisions as to which to make part of accepted text were highly selective.... depending on theological persuasions. Not a bit surprising...


11 Jun 20 - 09:52 PM (#4058862)
Subject: RE: Armchair Archaeologist (via Google Earth)
From: Stilly River Sage

It was mostly an excuse to poke around the area in Google Earth, but I notice the resolution over Israel isn't very good. Probably on purpose.


12 Jun 20 - 08:20 AM (#4058920)
Subject: RE: Armchair Archaeologist (via Google Earth)
From: JHW

Walking one recent day a few miles from home and 2metres from a farmer also walking he pointed to a flat field of green grain. "Try Google Earth, there are barely known Roman remains in that field".


12 Jun 20 - 11:42 AM (#4058951)
Subject: RE: Armchair Archaeologist (via Google Earth)
From: Stilly River Sage

Send us the coordinates and we can take a look!


07 Jul 20 - 02:13 PM (#4063251)
Subject: RE: Armchair Archaeologist (via Google Earth)
From: Stilly River Sage

A Massive, Late Neolithic Pit Structure associated with Durrington Walls Henge (the durable link https://doi.org/10.11141/ia.55.4 brings you here)

A series of massive geophysical anomalies, located south of the Durrington Walls henge monument, were identified during fluxgate gradiometer survey undertaken by the Stonehenge Hidden Landscapes Project (SHLP). Initially interpreted as dewponds, these data have been re-evaluated, along with information on similar features revealed by archaeological contractors undertaking survey and excavation to the north of the Durrington Walls henge. Analysis of the available data identified a total of 20 comparable features, which align within a series of arcs adjacent to Durrington Walls. Further geophysical survey, supported by mechanical coring, was undertaken on several geophysical anomalies to assess their nature, and to provide dating and environmental evidence. The results of fieldwork demonstrate that some of these features, at least, were massive, circular pits with a surface diameter of 20m or more and a depth of at least 5m. Struck flint and bone were recovered from primary silts and radiocarbon dating indicates a Late Neolithic date for the lower silts of one pit. The degree of similarity across the 20 features identified suggests that they could have formed part of a circuit of large pits around Durrington Walls, and this may also have incorporated the recently discovered Larkhill causewayed enclosure. The diameter of the circuit of pits exceeds 2km and there is some evidence that an intermittent, inner post alignment may have existed within the circuit of pits. One pit may provide evidence for a recut; suggesting that some of these features could have been maintained through to the Middle Bronze Age. Together, these features represent a unique group of features related to the henge at Durrington Walls, executed at a scale not previously recorded.


And a side trip dictated by the text of the abstract, the Larkhill causewayed Enclosure.


07 Jul 20 - 06:51 PM (#4063288)
Subject: RE: Armchair Archaeologist (via Google Earth)
From: Steve Shaw

Which just goes to show that there's still hidden history even in our most intensively-studied places ...


09 Jul 20 - 04:40 PM (#4063550)
Subject: RE: Armchair Archaeologist (via Google Earth)
From: Stilly River Sage

There was a program on PBS this week a program called "Secrets of the Dead" looking at Viking graves on a particular island and warrior excavated in the last century who has turned out to be a woman. A blurb about it says Nearly 20 miles from Stockholm, Björkö, Sweden, is a small island just two miles long and a half-mile wide. From 750-950 AD, it was home to Birka, one of the most powerful towns in the region and one of the major centers for trade in the Viking world. What I find surprising is just how far inland that island is, way upstream from the Baltic Sea. Google Earth goes to both Birka, Sweden or Björkö, Sweden, the former taking you to the archaeological site.

Viking Warrior Queen on PBS may only be viewable in the US.


10 Jul 20 - 02:03 PM (#4063670)
Subject: RE: Armchair Archaeologist (via Google Earth)
From: Stilly River Sage

Some Polynesians Carry DNA of Ancient Native Americans, New Study Finds

A new genetic study suggests that Polynesians made an epic voyage to South America 800 years ago.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/08/science/polynesian-ancestry.html

    The results of a new study suggest that they did. Today, people on Rapa Nui, also known as Easter Island, and four other Polynesian islands carry small amounts of DNA inherited from people who lived in Colombia about 800 years ago. One explanation: Polynesians came to South America, and then took South Americans onto their boats to voyage back out to sea.


11 Jul 20 - 04:31 PM (#4063773)
Subject: RE: Armchair Archaeologist (via Google Earth)
From: Donuel

There is more proof Pharoic Egypt traded with the ancient Venezuealeans.

Polenesian navigators still possses amazing power.


13 Jul 20 - 10:40 AM (#4064006)
Subject: RE: Armchair Archaeologist (via Google Earth)
From: Donuel

https://blogs.ucl.ac.uk/researchers-in-museums/2019/04/20/cocaine-mummies-the-search-for-narcotics-in-historic-collections/


07 Sep 20 - 11:47 PM (#4071149)
Subject: RE: Armchair Archaeologist (via Google Earth)
From: Stilly River Sage

Egyptian Authorities Have Discovered 13 Completely Sealed 2,500-Year-Old Coffins

"Saqqara is believed to have served as the necropolis for Memphis, once the capital of ancient Egypt. For 3,000 years, the Egyptians interred their dead there; as such, it's become a site of much archaeological interest.

It's not just the high-ranking nobility and officials buried there, with their grave goods, their cartouches, their mummified animals, and their richly appointed tombs. Those are more likely to be found, since their interment was more elaborate - but recent excavations have turned up simpler burials, likely of people from the middle or working class."


09 Sep 20 - 03:24 AM (#4071269)
Subject: RE: Armchair Archaeologist (via Google Earth)
From: Sandra in Sydney

tahanks, Stilly


09 Sep 20 - 04:41 AM (#4071278)
Subject: RE: Armchair Archaeologist (via Google Earth)
From: Mr Red

Years ago a colleague once told me that Wednesbury was built on an Iron Age Hillfort. The topography is fairly hilltop, and there are roads that now run downhill with strange level section. Tell-tale signs of ditched.

I have since looked at other towns with the same eye, Tetbury for instance. And Old Sarum outside Salisbury** is a good historical reminder. It is still a hillfort with the outline of a cathedral within, which was demolished when they re-located and built an humungous edifice in the valley. The hillfort became a rotten borough which clearly indicated that it had been a bustling town (aka village) when the cathedral was there. And hillforts (a misnomer) were what Ceaser called opida, they were fortified conurbations. And it would be inevitable that some had continued occupation in one form or another throughout history, and a church at the top, in a sort of Norman corporate identity fashion. Hence Wednesbury (aka Wodensburg) and Walsall (fro Wales sale - eg market town).

** you can see the foundations of the old cathedral.


09 Sep 20 - 08:25 AM (#4071307)
Subject: RE: Armchair Archaeologist (via Google Earth)
From: Donuel

Red, have you ever watched the series "Ancient Britain'?


09 Sep 20 - 12:17 PM (#4071327)
Subject: RE: Armchair Archaeologist (via Google Earth)
From: Stilly River Sage

You may have to click on the button to "view as list" - from Mashable in 2012, 10 Amazing Google Earth and Maps Discoveries. As old as the article is, not all of the links go to the photos or map coordinates original linked, but if you pull up Google Earth and search you'll often find the sites.


09 Sep 20 - 07:44 PM (#4071376)
Subject: RE: Armchair Archaeologist (via Google Earth)
From: Bill D

I often find that searching for a place... for example, London, will bring up many links, but usually near the top of the list is the Wikipedia article-- at least for most site with names.
thus https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/London

In the upper right corner will be the clickable HTML to the coordinates... clicking it takes to the "Geohack" page
for 51° 30' 26? N, 0° 7' 39? W

This gives a list for many map links. I use almost entirely the GoogleEarth links, (but you may find some items of special interest).... If you have G.E. installed, these will download and send the correct address to G.E. and start it up and take you directly to a spot over London.
   From there, you can browse..or enter specific search terms...

Play with it.. or use the Wikipedia + Geohack links to do many things.. I seldom find sites that show coordinates as well or in a clickable format as Wikipedia.


11 Sep 20 - 02:37 PM (#4071557)
Subject: RE: Armchair Archaeologist (via Google Earth)
From: Stilly River Sage

Good tip. I love simply looking as closely at some areas as possible, to see the marks on the ground of old roads, foundations, earth moving evidence, etc. Then marking if it I want to go back later. It's ridiculously easy to mark places, even if you didn't intend to. :)


11 Sep 20 - 08:17 PM (#4071573)
Subject: RE: Armchair Archaeologist (via Google Earth)
From: Bill D

I have 30-40 places with markers. Some are places I used to live.. some are locations from my geneology researches in Western PA... and some are just interesting places. They can be named, explained in a note... etc. Sure saves trying to remember exactly where something is.
I use a Microsoft keyboard and it has 5 programmable buttons to open things in one click.... my #4 is G.E.


12 Sep 20 - 02:32 AM (#4071594)
Subject: RE: Armchair Archaeologist (via Google Earth)
From: Mr Red

Red, have you ever watched the series "Ancient Britain'?

Can't say specifically, but tell you what .................

I live it.


14 Sep 20 - 04:11 PM (#4071870)
Subject: RE: Armchair Archaeologist (via Google Earth)
From: Donuel

Bill I explored some unusual places in PA. Ever heard of Gallitzin?
The old steel baron mansions given to religious orders?
A waterfall from 50 carved half shells placed into a mountain side spilling from one shell to the next. A 50 yard long slip and slide carved by water into solid rock, wierd stuff.


15 Sep 20 - 11:53 AM (#4071965)
Subject: RE: Armchair Archaeologist (via Google Earth)
From: Bill D

No, Don... I'll go search on it as an interesting place, but my primary concern was how G.E. helped me view my ancestors' locations in Green County and a couple other far western areas.


15 Sep 20 - 12:40 PM (#4071969)
Subject: RE: Armchair Archaeologist (via Google Earth)
From: Stilly River Sage

I was up in the Catskills with a friend many years ago and he knew about the masonry remains of a huge old Revolutionary War-era foundry or mill of some sort, now ruins standing in a forest. It was a remarkable area and I need to dig out the slides and digitize them.


16 Sep 20 - 04:38 PM (#4072125)
Subject: RE: Armchair Archaeologist (via Google Earth)
From: Donuel

Antarctica archeology


16 Sep 20 - 05:41 PM (#4072129)
Subject: RE: Armchair Archaeologist (via Google Earth)
From: Stilly River Sage

Really?

Two minutes into that and alarm bells about hocum are going off.

Gregg Braden (born June 28, 1954)[citation needed] is an American New Age author, who is widely known for his appearances in Ancient Aliens and his show Missing Links, and other publications about linking science & spirituality.[1] He became noted for his claim that the magnetic polarity of the earth was about to reverse.[2][3][4] Braden argued that the change in the earth's magnetic field might have effects on human DNA.[5] He has also argued that human emotions affect DNA and that collective prayer may have healing physical effects.[6][7] He has published many books through the Hay House publishing house. In 2009, his book Fractal Time was on the bestseller list of The New York Times.[8]His works consist mainly of parascience.


Lets stick to actual sites.


16 Sep 20 - 06:01 PM (#4072133)
Subject: RE: Armchair Archaeologist (via Google Earth)
From: Steve Shaw

Yes, let's... ;-)


17 Sep 20 - 08:08 AM (#4072194)
Subject: RE: Armchair Archaeologist (via Google Earth)
From: Donuel

Modern humans are a complex mixture of neanderthals , homo sapiens, Denosovians and others. Irrelevant bells went off for me too regarding the big head hype in that link BUT the idea of Denosovian archaeology and still existing architecture is intriguing while never proved. Sometimes if you don't look you won't see. There are plenty of scholorly sites that put the 'out of Africa' theory in the shade.

I should paint a grinning 14ft. tall Denisovian holding an adult Hobbit in one hand. :^/

Didn't Pharoh Achenaton have a wierd head?


17 Sep 20 - 10:06 AM (#4072212)
Subject: RE: Armchair Archaeologist (via Google Earth)
From: Stilly River Sage

Sometimes you have to look deeper - find actual legitimate searches for stuff on the ground under the Antarctic ice. Just because Braden has mastered SEO doesn't mean he actually has anything to say. Just to sell.

Go enter your search terms into Google Scholar and see if something turns up.


17 Sep 20 - 10:56 AM (#4072219)
Subject: RE: Armchair Archaeologist (via Google Earth)
From: Donuel

All we can say with certainty is that our understanding of the diversity of human form in the very recent past has increased once again, and that the mysterious Denisovans have at last come in from the cold. If you want to search for giants you will find Andre' was real.


17 Sep 20 - 11:07 AM (#4072222)
Subject: RE: Armchair Archaeologist (via Google Earth)
From: Donuel

I wouldn't throw epigenetics out the window with the bathwater
just because Brayden sounds like a nutter.
Thats the second time I should have watched the entire you tube.


17 Sep 20 - 04:34 PM (#4072248)
Subject: RE: Armchair Archaeologist (via Google Earth)
From: Stilly River Sage

This is related to the wannabe Indians with their spiritual crystal-worshiping teepee-sleeping drivel that they push out that is so offensive to actual people who are American Indians and to people who study and discuss actual American Indian literature, music, art, etc. New Age is simply different packaging for snake oil.


23 Sep 20 - 12:16 PM (#4072887)
Subject: RE: Armchair Archaeologist (via Google Earth)
From: Stilly River Sage

https://www.livescience.com/meteorite-crater-australia-outback.html

    "When geologists at Evolution Mining, an Australian gold mining company, came across some unusual rock cores at Ora Banda, they called Jayson Meyers, the principal geophysicist, director and founder of Resource Potentials, a geophysics consulting and contracting company in Perth. Meyers examined the geologists' drill core samples, as well as rock samples from the site, and he immediately noticed the shatter cones — telltale signs of a meteorite crash."


This is a geology story, not an anthropology one, but it's another opportunity to prowl around the desert with your Google Earth.

    "Shatter cones form when high-pressure, high-velocity shock waves from a large impacting object — such as a meteorite or a gigantic explosion (such as would occur at a nuclear testing site) — rattle an area, according to the Planetary Science Institute (PSI), a nonprofit group based in Tucson, Arizona, which was not involved with the new find. These shock waves shatter rock into the unique shatter cone shape, just like a mark that a hard object can leave on a car's windshield.

    Because "we know they didn't do any nuclear testing at Ora Banda," the evidence suggests that an ancient impact crater hit the site, Meyers told Resourc.ly."


25 Sep 20 - 04:59 PM (#4073103)
Subject: RE: Armchair Archaeologist (via Google Earth)
From: Stilly River Sage

‘The mystery is over’: Researchers say they know what happened to ‘Lost Colony’



    BUXTON, N.C. — The English colonists who settled the so-called Lost Colony before disappearing from history simply went to live with their native friends — the Croatoans of Hatteras, according to a new book.

    “They were never lost,” said Scott Dawson, who has researched records and dug up artifacts where the colonists lived with the Indians in the 16th century. “It was made up. The mystery is over.”

    Dawson has written a book, published in June, that details his research. It is called “The Lost Colony and Hatteras Island,” and echos many of the sentiments he has voiced for years.

    A team of archaeologists, historians, botanists, geologists and others have conducted digs on small plots in Buxton and Frisco for 11 years.

    Dawson and his wife, Maggie, formed the Croatoan Archaeological Society when the digs began. Mark Horton, a professor and archaeologist from England’s University of Bristol leads the project. Henry Wright, professor of anthropology at the University of Michigan, is an expert on native history.

    Teams have found thousands of artifacts 4-6 feet below the surface that show a mix of English and Indian life. Parts of swords and guns are in the same layer of soil as Indian pottery and arrowheads.

    The excavated earth looks like layer cake as the centuries pass.

    “In a spot the size of two parking spaces, we could find 10,000 pieces,” he said.

    Pieces found during the project are on display in the community building in Hatteras Village. The rest are in storage.


The rest is at the link.


30 Sep 20 - 10:40 PM (#4073821)
Subject: RE: Armchair Archaeologist (via Google Earth)
From: Sandra in Sydney

Australia - stunning rock art 6,000-9,400 years old Key points
    Archaeologists and Traditional Owners have documented rock art from 87 sites across north west Arnhem Land
    The team identified more than 570 images of animals, humans and spirits created between 6,000 and 9,400 years ago
    The images are painted in a style, known as Maliwawa, not seen elsewhere before


07 Oct 20 - 01:33 PM (#4074652)
Subject: RE: Armchair Archaeologist (via Google Earth)
From: Stilly River Sage

Egypt Unveils 59 ancient coffins.

Story on Al Jazeera.


07 Oct 20 - 02:16 PM (#4074658)
Subject: RE: Armchair Archaeologist (via Google Earth)
From: Stilly River Sage

Sandra, your article mentions rock art of dugong - on "Arnem Land" - I looked that up and find it is close enough to water for it to be something the artist would see in their regional travels. I wonder if they hunted them, or revered them, or both? I suppose bone fragments would have to tell that story.


08 Oct 20 - 08:52 AM (#4074737)
Subject: RE: Armchair Archaeologist (via Google Earth)
From: Sandra in Sydney

google search on dugong rock art arnham land gives many references, I'm not sure how many would help,


08 Oct 20 - 09:30 AM (#4074740)
Subject: RE: Armchair Archaeologist (via Google Earth)
From: Stilly River Sage

Here's a likely discussion: Introducing the Maliwawa Figures: a previously undescribed rock art style found in Western Arnhem Land.

In the Maliwawa paintings, human figures are frequently depicted with animals, especially macropods (kangaroos and wallabies), and these animal-human relationships appear to be central to the artists’ message. In some instances, animals almost appear to be participating in or watching some human activity.

Another key theme is a male or indeterminate human figure holding an animal, often a snake, or another human figure or an object.

Such scenes are rare in early rock art, not just in Australia but worldwide. They provide a remarkable glimpse into past Aboriginal life and cultural beliefs.


and further on

    We first found some of these figures during a survey in 2008-2009 but they became the focus of further field research from 2016 to 2018.


So I guess understanding the relationships between these humans and animals is still being studied.


11 Oct 20 - 01:23 PM (#4075138)
Subject: RE: Armchair Archaeologist (via Google Earth)
From: Stilly River Sage

In my Instagram feed I follow a number of science-related sites, including one to do with geological features around the world. This morning they posted a photo of Izvor Cetina or Cetina spring, in Croatia. You look at a place like that and instinctively know that it was always an important human site, even in the current rural configuration of the area.

From Wikipedia:
The Cetina Valley and the narrow passage at Klis have always functioned as a principal trade route between the Croatian coast and hinterland. Strategically, it has been pivotal to the development, not only of the Balkans, but also of significant parts of Europe.[3]


Mouth of the Cetina river in Omiš, 2017
The earliest evidence for agricultural activity is from the Early Neolithic in the upper part of the valley. In the Early Bronze Age the Cetina culture, a geographically pervasive group with contacts throughout the Adriatic basin, became dominant. Extensive mound fields are recorded on the lower valley slopes at several locations around Cetina, Vrlika and Bajagic. As in other parts of Europe, the river appears to have been the focus of the intentional deposition of artifacts throughout prehistory. This is particularly true at the confluence of the Cetina and Ruda rivers at Trilj.

The area is intimately associated with the heartland of the Delmatae and the area's strategic importance is emphasised by the citing of the legionary fortress at Tilurium (Gardun), just above today's city of Trilj, which guards the entrance to the valley from the south and the approach to the provincial capital at Salona.

During the early medieval period, toponymic evidence suggests that the Cetina Valley and perhaps the river itself became a frontier between Slavic and Late Roman power. The area around Sinj eventually emerged as a centre of Slavic power and ultimately established itself as a heartland of the Early Croatian State, especially in the areas of its upper flow.

During later periods the area was highly contested and passed between a number of regional and local powers before conquest by the Ottoman Empire during the early 16th century. After this it retained a frontier role between Ottoman Empire and Republic of Venice until the reconquest of the area 150 years later.


Okay as far as that goes, but this is a karst region and that means caves. So I went looking for information about cave art, because if ever a place screamed out to be a Clan of the Cave Bear setting, this is it. :)

The First Cave Art of the Balkans May Date Back 30,000 Years

34,000-Year-Old Figurative Cave Paintings Found in Croatia

PHOTOS: First prehistoric figurative cave art identified in Croatian cave by archaeologists

These stories all seem to be from last year. Here's a story from 2004 by an archeologist from the UK, his version of a published article in a subscription journal. So people can read it for free, one presumes.


12 Oct 20 - 10:32 AM (#4075247)
Subject: RE: Armchair Archaeologist (via Google Earth)
From: Donuel

A Japanese high tech technolody called muon photography can detect cavities inside solid rock. Used on the great pyramid it was able to detect another enormous previously undiscovered great gallery above the great gallery we have all seen.

From our perspective a muon decays in a couple of milliseconds but due to a relativistic effect from moving at the speed of light it can travel many hundreds of km before it goes poof. A gamma ray hits our atmosphere and with a collision, gives birth to muons as well as a host of other sub atomic particles. The Japanese found a way of placing detector plates similar to X ray film and render a picture with super computers. It takes months to expose the 'film' and more time to render. Egypt's antiquites director Zwass is not thrilled with this technology.


12 Oct 20 - 03:59 PM (#4075290)
Subject: RE: Armchair Archaeologist (via Google Earth)
From: Bill D

That would be Zahi Hawass.. and he is no longer director. I think Sharif eased him out..(translation...fired)


12 Oct 20 - 05:29 PM (#4075302)
Subject: RE: Armchair Archaeologist (via Google Earth)
From: Donuel

Hawass revealed too much, obstructed too many and lied alot but that is a whole different story.
Muon tech is well over 10 years old now.

Hawass is still too big for his trousers. :^/


12 Oct 20 - 08:44 PM (#4075322)
Subject: RE: Armchair Archaeologist (via Google Earth)
From: Stilly River Sage

I have no idea what you're talking about - and I could Google it, but maybe you'd like to look at the links and see if there is a particularly well represented story about this and post the link?


13 Oct 20 - 07:19 AM (#4075357)
Subject: RE: Armchair Archaeologist (via Google Earth)
From: Donuel

Here's a link with a Texan scientist.
https://news.artnet.com/art-world/great-pyramid-giza-egypt-void-1144325

Hundreds of Japanese links but language is not my forte'


13 Oct 20 - 05:57 PM (#4075428)
Subject: RE: Armchair Archaeologist (via Google Earth)
From: Bill D

The Wikipedia page on Hawass says about as much as I know...


13 Oct 20 - 07:23 PM (#4075439)
Subject: RE: Armchair Archaeologist (via Google Earth)
From: Sandra in Sydney

thanks for posting the link, Bill, I wonder when it will be updated.


25 Oct 20 - 04:50 PM (#4076812)
Subject: RE: Armchair Archaeologist (via Google Earth)
From: Stilly River Sage

Possible Neanderthal Artifacts Unearthed in Denmark

It's just the abstract, but there are enough key words to do some more digging:

ROSKILDE, DENMARK—Yahoo! News reports that worked flint and mussel shells thought to have been shaped by Neanderthals some 120,000 years ago have been found in a steep cliff on the Danish island of Ejby Klint by archaeologists from Denmark’s National Museum and Roskilde Museum. It had been previously thought that reindeer hunters first settled Denmark some 14,000 years ago. “I did not think we would find anything at all, but we have actually found some stones that have possible traces of being worked by people, and that in itself is amazing,” said Lasse Sørensen of the National Museum. Between 130,000 and 115,000 years ago, Denmark was about four degrees warmer than it is today, and was home to beavers, steppe bison, fallow deer, wood rhinos, forest elephants, Irish giant deer, and red deer. “The door may have been opened for more excavations to be made for Neanderthals in Denmark,” added Ole Kastholm of Roskilde Museum. To read about a Neanderthal gene variant that may make those who have inherited it more susceptible to pain, go to "Painful Past."


12 Nov 20 - 06:36 PM (#4079409)
Subject: RE: Armchair Archaeologist (via Google Earth)
From: Stilly River Sage

Some of these network stories don't stick around long, but there will be keywords to find more about it later.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/archaeologists-uncover-ancient-viking-ship-burial-site-norway/?ftag=CNM-00-10aab8c&linkId=104286086


Archaeologists uncover 1,000-year-old Viking ship burial site in Norway

By Sophie Lewis

November 11, 2020 / 12:24 PM / CBS News

Archaeologists in Norway have uncovered a unique Viking burial site, hidden deep underground, dating back over 1,000 years ago. Using only a radar, researchers identified a feast hall, cult house, farmhouse and the remnants of a ship.


12 Nov 20 - 07:03 PM (#4079413)
Subject: RE: Armchair Archaeologist (via Google Earth)
From: Bill D

I was sure I saw this earlier... a search on 'Gjellestad ship' finds
https://www.khm.uio.no/english/visit-us/viking-ship-museum/gjellestad-ship/index.html

and
https://www.forbes.com/sites/davidnikel/2020/01/17/confirmed-norways-gjellestad-ship-is-from-the-viking-age/?sh=7e5896a99bb2

and more


12 Nov 20 - 08:53 PM (#4079419)
Subject: RE: Armchair Archaeologist (via Google Earth)
From: Donuel

Mayan high civilization was advanced in astronomy projecting events by more than a quarter million years into the past and future. Math and literature has less evidence since most of it has been destroyed.
WHAT HAPPENED TO THEM?
They descended into madness and society collapsed en masse.

Here is the explanation; They had a magnificent water purification and storage technology. In their city plazas they created an expansive water collection area that filtered through fine sand and minerals to purify the water and directed it to underground storage and irrigation complexes. All well and good but the decorative buildings and temples were painted a bright vermillion red that was full of mercury. Over time the entire filtration layers became polluted with mercury that flowed off the pyramids and structures. Mad as a hatter is the English expression for those who made hats with mercury. China had its tradgedies with mercury and so did the Mayans. In Rome their pollution was lead.
The transition to madness from a poison water supply may have been a remarkable story that probably took longer to take hold than we might expect.


13 Nov 20 - 12:00 PM (#4079479)
Subject: RE: Armchair Archaeologist (via Google Earth)
From: Stilly River Sage

That's an interesting theory.


16 Nov 20 - 06:31 AM (#4079801)
Subject: RE: Armchair Archaeologist (via Google Earth)
From: Donuel

Today most of the mercury we injest originates at coal fired power plants tainting land and sea food.. I heard the theory on a PBS documentary.
Drifting farther; On Amazon prime I learned about liquid salt Flouride Thorium nuclear power plants that were invented in 1958 that can not melt down, never runs out of fuel and is not under pressure.
It was not used since the Pentagon since thorium did not make plutonium for bombs. More than here are the other benefits here
Or google floride thorium reactors
I am a nuke plant advocate since it really can replace oil, gas an wind and solar, which seems likely.

Part of the cure for climate change is found in our ignored past.


16 Nov 20 - 03:13 PM (#4079859)
Subject: RE: Armchair Archaeologist (via Google Earth)
From: Bill D

"other benefits"? All I see there is a list of movies. Why would info on reactors be found on Amazon Prime?

But upon searching, I did find this list of disadvantages

More research perhaps, but for the foreseeable future I'd prefer solar, with banks of collectors in deserts and roof-top panels like two of my neighbors have. Add in some new wind turbines that can sit on city buildings, and the need for fossil fuels can be greatly reduced.

Ask Germany and Spain...


16 Nov 20 - 05:58 PM (#4079881)
Subject: RE: Armchair Archaeologist (via Google Earth)
From: Donuel

The same guy who was the creator of the initial N plants also invented the Flouride Thorium reactors. The atomic regulatory agency handed him his hat when he pushed for his safe reactor designs. I like the no 'forever' waste part.

The movie I watched https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D3rL08J7fDA

If we ever crack the fusion problem thorium sounds like a good alternative for the next 50-100 years. I am just a consumer and not a scientist.


16 Nov 20 - 06:22 PM (#4079884)
Subject: RE: Armchair Archaeologist (via Google Earth)
From: Donuel

A slicker video you tube


17 Nov 20 - 05:02 PM (#4079994)
Subject: RE: Armchair Archaeologist (via Google Earth)
From: Bill D

I'll look, but I almost never look to YouTube for news and information.

My hearing is bad and I don't process spoken words quickly..unless it is close-captioned. I really prefer to read at my own pace from several trusted web sites.

Far too many videos are by proselytizers who don't have an HTML address, and who are advancing 'odd' personal theories.... and YouTube then links you to other similar ones.

we shall see.. in my copious spare time.. :>)


28 Nov 20 - 11:09 AM (#4081214)
Subject: RE: Armchair Archaeologist (via Google Earth)
From: Stilly River Sage

Norway ice melt reveals 'frozen archive' of ancient reindeer-hunting arrows

London (CNN)Archaeologists have uncovered a haul of ancient artifacts from a melted ice patch in Norway, including a record number of arrows used for reindeer hunting from more than 6,000 years ago.

The team found 68 arrows at the Langfonne ice patch in the Jotunheimen Mountains, tracing the artifacts back to various periods of time across thousands of years, from the Stone Age all the way through to the Medieval Period.

The discovery, published this week as a study in The Holocene journal, also included the remains of reindeer antlers, Iron Age scaring sticks used in reindeer hunting and a 3,300-year-old shoe from the Bronze Age. The arrows mark the earliest ice finds in Northern Europe, according to the study's authors.

Norway's Jotunheimen Mountains are located more than 200 miles (in excess of 320 kilometers) north of the capital, Oslo.

The Langfonne ice patch, where the arrows were found, has retreated by more than 70% over the past two decades as global warming has caused dramatic ice melt, the study says.

"With the ice now retreating due to climate change, the evidence for ancient hunting at Langfonne is reappearing from what is in essence a frozen archive," said Lars Pilø, the study's lead author and an archaeologist from the Innlandet County Council, in a statement.

"The ice melt, sad as it is, provides an unprecedented archaeological opportunity for new knowledge."

The oldest arrows, dating back to 4000 BC, are in poor condition. But surprisingly, the arrows from the Late Neolithic period (2400-1750 BC) were better preserved in comparison to those from the following 2,000 years, according to the study.

Using ground penetrating radar (GPR) technology, researchers believe that the bad state of the oldest arrows may be due to ice movement.

GPR data revealed ice deformation deep inside of the patch may have broken the old, brittle arrows, but it also helped to bring them to the surface to be discovered.

"Ice patches are not your regular archaeological sites," Pilø said. "Glacial archeology has the potential to transform our understanding of human activity in the high mountains and beyond."


28 Nov 20 - 06:27 PM (#4081260)
Subject: RE: Armchair Archaeologist (via Google Earth)
From: Sandra in Sydney

thanks, stilly


28 Nov 20 - 09:42 PM (#4081269)
Subject: RE: Armchair Archaeologist (via Google Earth)
From: Stilly River Sage

I pulled that Norwegian location up on Google Earth; it's an odd looking piece of land, and I'd really like to see a topographic map of the area, but wasn't able to find any.


29 Nov 20 - 08:50 AM (#4081299)
Subject: RE: Armchair Archaeologist (via Google Earth)
From: Donuel

WOOF Follow the shoe and the broken arrow. Ice mining for artifacts in melting glacial ice with the assistance of GPR, sounds like the way to go. Of course we can only look where we are allowed to look.

I would personally prefer a nicer climate and buried architectural remains that have carvings of the early Holocene animals and even a dinosaur or two. Someplace in Turkey to the fertile crescent. China would be great too but these places are politically off limits lately.
Sneaky satillites are the key to seeing with new eyes.


29 Nov 20 - 05:40 PM (#4081342)
Subject: RE: Armchair Archaeologist (via Google Earth)
From: Stilly River Sage

These things kind of come in clumps.

Frozen Bird Found in Siberia is 46,000 Years Old

In 2018, a well-preserved frozen bird was found in the ground in the Belaya Gora area of north-eastern Siberia. Researchers at the Centre for Palaeogenetics, a new research center at Stockholm University and the Swedish Museum of Natural History, have studied the bird and the results are now published in the scientific journal Communications Biology. The analyses reveals that the bird is a 46,000-year-old female horned lark.

"Not only can we identify the bird as a horned lark. The genetic analysis also suggests that the bird belonged to a population that was a joint ancestor of two sub species of horned lark living today, one in Siberia, and one in the steppe in Mongolia. This helps us understand how the diversity of sub species evolves," says Nicolas Dussex, researcher at the Department of Zoology at Stockholm University.


29 Nov 20 - 05:59 PM (#4081347)
Subject: RE: Armchair Archaeologist (via Google Earth)
From: Donuel

I've heard of flash
freezing events in a temperate Siberia ~40,000 years ago


29 Nov 20 - 09:39 PM (#4081372)
Subject: RE: Armchair Archaeologist (via Google Earth)
From: Bill D

Best images & maps I found of the Norwegian ice patch

https://secretsoftheice.com/news/2020/04/16/mountain-pass/


30 Nov 20 - 02:53 AM (#4081383)
Subject: RE: Armchair Archaeologist (via Google Earth)
From: Sandra in Sydney

Bill, that is an amazing website, I've spent the best part of hour following links from that article. The site is now bookmarked

like this one showing a 1720-1850 woven hat

sandra


30 Nov 20 - 04:24 AM (#4081387)
Subject: RE: Armchair Archaeologist (via Google Earth)
From: Sandra in Sydney

after my archaeology binge, I checked out my regular news sites & found more archaeology - 'Sistine Chapel of the ancients' rock art discovered in remote Amazon forest


30 Nov 20 - 10:49 AM (#4081412)
Subject: RE: Armchair Archaeologist (via Google Earth)
From: Stilly River Sage

What deep rabbit holes Bill and Sandra have provided! And so many photos and maps! Good stuff!


30 Nov 20 - 02:57 PM (#4081442)
Subject: RE: Armchair Archaeologist (via Google Earth)
From: Bill D

It was links inside of links..often buried down the page. Just reading how the research and collection was done is amazing.


30 Nov 20 - 03:08 PM (#4081445)
Subject: RE: Armchair Archaeologist (via Google Earth)
From: Donuel

The graffiti chapel of the ancients is great! It reminds me of NYC


30 Nov 20 - 04:39 PM (#4081455)
Subject: RE: Armchair Archaeologist (via Google Earth)
From: Bill D

It reminds ME of taking the metro from Silver Spring to Metro Center... every structure that faces the tracks was a potential target for graffiti.


30 Nov 20 - 11:59 PM (#4081481)
Subject: RE: Armchair Archaeologist (via Google Earth)
From: Stilly River Sage

I know it's a form of vandalism and some of it is significant in the message, but a lot of the graffiti out there from taggers is actually quite attractive. I suspect I hold a minority opinion (and this is acknowledging that a lot of it turns up in less than public places that are inappropriate, like private property, fences, houses, etc.) I'm thinking in particular of the sides of trains.


01 Dec 20 - 12:41 PM (#4081545)
Subject: RE: Armchair Archaeologist (via Google Earth)
From: Bill D

In the trip I referred to one legendary writer, Cool “Disco” Dan, has been featured in a local graffiti museum. See this search

Disco Dan & others

A friend of mine who used to ride the line daily wrote a song about him.


01 Dec 20 - 12:54 PM (#4081547)
Subject: RE: Armchair Archaeologist (via Google Earth)
From: Donuel

BANKSY - silver spring

I've seen TV documentaries of the highest forms of graffiti art that are painted over after viewing. What is the the name of the NYC graffiti arist that sells works for 5 figures?

Pigments mixed with egg yolk (tempura) can last thousands of years.

Egg whites can weather seal old wooden instruments on te inside.
Today I use 1 micron thick glass which transmits sound the same as spruce.


01 Dec 20 - 01:13 PM (#4081550)
Subject: RE: Armchair Archaeologist (via Google Earth)
From: Bill D

Maybe here?
https://www.widewalls.ch/magazine/10-new-york-graffiti-legends-still-kicking-ass


02 Dec 20 - 11:58 AM (#4081675)
Subject: RE: Armchair Archaeologist (via Google Earth)
From: Donuel

I wonder if Bob Ross ever imagined some of his 'Liquid clear' techniques for global shading would be used by graffiti artists.
Ancient Egyptian graffiti exists in the Great Pyramid as well as the valley of the kings. They range from just names to sexual acts on the intended honored. Roman graffiti is a subject of its own. Some folk tunes are the musical graffiti of its time. - jus ramblin

Mostly I am impressed by the cliffside painting discovery


02 Dec 20 - 12:28 PM (#4081680)
Subject: RE: Armchair Archaeologist (via Google Earth)
From: Stilly River Sage

Keith Haring got his start doing graffiti in NY City subway stations.


04 Dec 20 - 10:26 PM (#4081963)
Subject: RE: Armchair Archaeologist (via Google Earth)
From: Helen

This TV show has just started in Oz a couple of weeks ago. Brilliant!

Earth From Space

I'm probably going to buy the DVD so that I can watch it over and over again. I'm also probably going to buy a copy for my nephew's young family.


05 Dec 20 - 04:27 PM (#4082059)
Subject: RE: Armchair Archaeologist (via Google Earth)
From: Donuel

The clips are the best I've ever seen.


07 Dec 20 - 05:38 AM (#4082220)
Subject: RE: Armchair Archaeologist (via Google Earth)
From: Donuel

refresh


09 Dec 20 - 05:59 PM (#4082664)
Subject: RE: Armchair Archaeologist (via Google Earth)
From: Sandra in Sydney

Pterosaurs evolved from small, wingless reptiles called lagerpetids


09 Dec 20 - 06:23 PM (#4082669)
Subject: RE: Armchair Archaeologist (via Google Earth)
From: Stilly River Sage

"But what they discovered may help fill a 28-million-year gap in the evolution of flying reptiles instead."

Those pesky gaps! That one looks like a chasm. :)


09 Dec 20 - 09:07 PM (#4082686)
Subject: RE: Armchair Archaeologist (via Google Earth)
From: Donuel

I enjoy eating mini dinosaurs. Tonight I had chicken. Scaley two legged creatures with beaks and the later advancement of warm blood and feathers. They sort of split the difference between us and dinos.
Due to climate even some tyranosaurs had beautiful feathers not unlike peacocks. Evolution found a path to flight with size vs weight issues a million years AFTER the first dragon flies that were over a meter long.

Dragon flies did not taste like chicken.


10 Dec 20 - 06:27 AM (#4082714)
Subject: RE: Armchair Archaeologist (via Google Earth)
From: Sandra in Sydney

Tudor coins dedicated to three of Henry VIII's wives found in family garden

Welcome to the Portable Antiquities Scheme The Portable Antiquities Scheme is run by the British Museum and Amgueddfa Cymru - National Museum Wales to encourage the recording of archaeological objects found by members of the public in England and Wales. Every year many thousands of archaeological objects are discovered, many of these by metal detector users, but also by people whilst out walking, gardening or going about their daily work. Finds recorded with the Scheme help advance knowledge of the history and archaeology of England and Wales.

British Museum says metal detectorists found 1,311 treasures last year


11 Dec 20 - 10:48 AM (#4082926)
Subject: RE: Armchair Archaeologist (via Google Earth)
From: Stilly River Sage

This may have come through before, but I'll add it in case it didn't: Cache of Roman letters discovered at Hadrian's Wall. The Guardian is telling me that this article is more than 3 years old, but then, the letters are much older than that!


12 Dec 20 - 04:02 PM (#4083153)
Subject: RE: Armchair Archaeologist (via Google Earth)
From: Donuel

tour a royal tomb
Tomb of
Menna

valley of the Kings you tube


12 Dec 20 - 04:13 PM (#4083154)
Subject: RE: Armchair Archaeologist (via Google Earth)
From: Donuel

https://www.virtualangkor.com/

3D scroll down for your personal tours


13 Dec 20 - 07:52 AM (#4083220)
Subject: RE: Armchair Archaeologist (via Google Earth)
From: Sandra in Sydney

true glory of 1,000-year-old cross - Dec 2020 after reading this I needed more info so went searching -

The Galloway Hoard (2014) The Galloway Hoard brings together the richest collection of rare and unique Viking-age objects ever found in Britain or Ireland.

Conserving the Galloway Hoard - it was in an urn & wrapped in textiles

Galloway Hoard’s Anglo-Saxon ‘owner’ identified?


13 Dec 20 - 08:00 AM (#4083221)
Subject: RE: Armchair Archaeologist (via Google Earth)
From: Sandra in Sydney

photos

more pics!

lots more articles, but I really have other stuff to do


16 Dec 20 - 03:12 AM (#4083678)
Subject: RE: Armchair Archaeologist (via Google Earth)
From: Sandra in Sydney

Lost artefact from Great Pyramid of Giza found in cigar box in Aberdeen


29 Dec 20 - 04:14 PM (#4085559)
Subject: RE: Armchair Archaeologist (via Google Earth)
From: Stilly River Sage

This story had me online looking for the Queen's Palace in Madagascar.


29 Dec 20 - 05:02 PM (#4085563)
Subject: RE: Armchair Archaeologist (via Google Earth)
From: WalkaboutsVerse

I was watching Japan's NHK channel earlier today and there was news of a "snack bar" being uncovered at Pompeii


29 Dec 20 - 05:51 PM (#4085568)
Subject: RE: Armchair Archaeologist (via Google Earth)
From: Donuel

Arnies snack bar sold wolf nipple chips and Rococo cola. :*]
Have you ever thought of archeology of the future. If it is far enough away the present we discover will be ancient and our present will be the future. its a light speed thing/


29 Dec 20 - 08:20 PM (#4085595)
Subject: RE: Armchair Archaeologist (via Google Earth)
From: Bill D

Tau Zero

There was a young physicist, Bright
Who traveled much faster than light.
   He set out one day,
   In a relative way,
And returned on the previous night.


29 Dec 20 - 08:30 PM (#4085597)
Subject: RE: Armchair Archaeologist (via Google Earth)
From: Donuel

Poul Anderson is fun to read.
my kind of poul


30 Dec 20 - 06:59 PM (#4085745)
Subject: RE: Armchair Archaeologist (via Google Earth)
From: Sandra in Sydney

Remains of well-preserved Ice Age woolly rhino found in Siberia


30 Dec 20 - 07:07 PM (#4085746)
Subject: RE: Armchair Archaeologist (via Google Earth)
From: Sandra in Sydney

I hadn't noticed the articles linked below the woolly rhino article

fossilised feathers

Canadian boy finds fossils critical to the study of the hadrosaur

Australia - Richmond's dinosaur museum goes digital


30 Dec 20 - 10:02 PM (#4085771)
Subject: RE: Armchair Archaeologist (via Google Earth)
From: Donuel

The story of wood artfacts from the great pyramid found in Scotland reminds me of the actual mummy of Ramses being found in Niagara Falls NY.


30 Dec 20 - 10:43 PM (#4085777)
Subject: RE: Armchair Archaeologist (via Google Earth)
From: Helen

I'm watching the TV series Fringe again from this week. Only another 85 episodes to go.

Nothing to do with the thread topic but everything to do with these comments in the thread:

Bill D's limerick: "There was a young physicist, Bright..."

Donuel's comment: "Have you ever thought of archeology of the future. If it is far enough away the present we discover will be ancient and our present will be the future. its a light speed thing".

(If you have never seen the series but you are into weird sci-fi with a sense of humour, I can highly recommend watching Fringe. I first discovered it when I happened to record the end of an episode before a different show which started in the wee hours of the morning and then got totally hooked on it. It was never advertised by the TV channel, and funnily enough they replayed the whole series in the last few weeks - again in the wee small hours - and didn't advertise it this time either. I sense a conspiracy at work. There could be a pattern. Fringe in-joke. Sorry! At least this time they didn't play series 1 and then series 4 episodes on the same day. Very confusing and it was very much a spoiler alert because I didn't realise they were two different series.)

Sorry. Back to the topic.


31 Dec 20 - 12:20 AM (#4085787)
Subject: RE: Armchair Archaeologist (via Google Earth)
From: Stilly River Sage

I've been meaning to watch that. Thanks for the reminder (I didn't realize it had that many episodes).


31 Dec 20 - 03:01 AM (#4085794)
Subject: RE: Armchair Archaeologist (via Google Earth)
From: Sandra in Sydney

not having a TV, I knew nuffin' about it - & having just read a few (too many) paragraphs on wikipedia, I know even less ....

my brain feel sore & my eyes hurt, tho admittedly they have been sore all day, but they are even sorer

& it appears there are 100 episodes, lucky you!

getting back on topic Liu He and the Tomb of Two Million Coins

sandra


31 Dec 20 - 04:57 AM (#4085809)
Subject: RE: Armchair Archaeologist (via Google Earth)
From: Helen

Believe me Sandra, you'd be just as confused if you watched all the episodes. Predictability is not their thing. LOL

I bought the whole set on DVD when I first discovered the series. This will be my third or maybe fourth time watching it all.

Back on topic - Australia's shame: Pilbara mining blast confirmed to have destroyed 46,000yo sites of 'staggering' significance


31 Dec 20 - 11:47 AM (#4085870)
Subject: RE: Armchair Archaeologist (via Google Earth)
From: Stilly River Sage

Wow, Sandra!

Archaeology is always full of surprises. When an excavation is started, the team never knows what the next artifact will be to see the light of day. Many times a find is mundane – pottery shards, inconclusive artifacts, and ancient garbage. But there are rare occasions when the dig proves to be an excavation of a lifetime and is certain to make the headlines. Such is the story of this unbelievable archaeological dig from China, when a stunning 10 tons of ancient coins were unearthed in a single burial chamber. There’s no doubt that the history of ancient China was filled with wonders and extravagance, but this discovery really put the benchmark way up high. It was Liu He’s tomb filled with two million coins and other luxury items.


31 Dec 20 - 10:05 PM (#4085960)
Subject: RE: Armchair Archaeologist (via Google Earth)
From: Sandra in Sydney

who said you can't take it with you?


31 Dec 20 - 10:16 PM (#4085962)
Subject: RE: Armchair Archaeologist (via Google Earth)
From: Bill D

Fringe??? Why do I not know of that? Gotta go look at my 200+ channels...Maybe in between the Televangelists...


31 Dec 20 - 10:22 PM (#4085964)
Subject: RE: Armchair Archaeologist (via Google Earth)
From: Bill D

Huh... ran from 2008-2013! No wonder it's not on these days.


31 Dec 20 - 10:40 PM (#4085965)
Subject: RE: Armchair Archaeologist (via Google Earth)
From: Stilly River Sage

NetFlix.


31 Dec 20 - 10:59 PM (#4085967)
Subject: RE: Armchair Archaeologist (via Google Earth)
From: Helen

Yes, but it pops up unannounced every few years or so here in Oz. It's brilliant! Funny, clever, thought provoking, and some things in it come completely out of the blue to make sense of previous events in past episodes.

To pretend to stick to this thread topic (LOL) I'll mention episode 15 of series 1. Inner Child: A mysterious child is recovered from a secret chamber that has been sealed for more than a half-century.

Does finding a live child in a room sealed for about 70 years beat finding 2 million coins?? :-D

Sorry. I should start a separate thread.


01 Jan 21 - 10:30 PM (#4086099)
Subject: RE: Armchair Archaeologist (via Google Earth)
From: Stilly River Sage

3,500 year old bear amulet that I spotted on Twitter this evening. If you're using the Chrome browser right-clicking a photo gives you a dialog box with a number of options for opening the image, including to search for the image on Google. I use this all of the time to track down the sources of memes, etc.

More from Reddit (just part of it)

Thanks to an unknown stroke of fate, the copy encountered the original, after many years, in the Historic Museum in Stralsund. In the summer of 2002, the German press announced that the copy of the bear was presented to public, whereas the original amulet did not leave the museum's safe. It is a secret how the museum became the owner of these two figures. However one should be happy that both of them survived. The copy of the famous bear appeared again in the history of Slupsk. Thanks to the president, Maciej Kobylinski, the amber bear attracts tourists tothe town hall, where it is exhibited in a special show case. Once a year, the tiny figure is put on auction, and the funds raised are dedicated to charity.


They don't say what happened to the original after Nazi's stole it and a lot of other amber during WWII. It looks like something that could be reproduced fairly easily.

The Polish town near where it was found is Slupsk, and it is in the Pomeranian region (state). No surprise it's near the Baltic Sea, a major source of amber. Szczecin, Poland, is where it was safeguarded until WWII when it was lost for a while.

Stuff to look for includes archaeology in Poland to do with amber - it washes up on the beach there.


02 Jan 21 - 12:10 AM (#4086101)
Subject: RE: Armchair Archaeologist (via Google Earth)
From: Stilly River Sage

Medieval Chinese Coin Unearthed In The UK (found near Petersfield, Hampshire).


it was unearthed at Buriton in Hampshire, around 14 kilometers (9 miles) from the southern coast of the UK. It’s not totally clear whether the coin was dropped by a modern collector or medieval rambler. However, some historians have some well-founded suspicions that the coin was most likely dropped at some point during the Middle Ages.

Dr Caitlin Green, a historian at the University of Cambridge in the UK, has written a blog post describing this discovery and argues that the coin was likely not dropped by a modern-day collector.

For one, the coin was discovered in a field that was full of Medieval artifacts, including a coin of King John minted at London in 1205–7, a cut farthing coin dating between 1180 to 1247, fragments of medieval or early post-medieval vessels, and two 16th century coins. Furthermore, archeologists have previously discovered another Northern Song dynasty coin in England. The newly discovered coin was also found in the same area as the only confirmed medieval imported Chinese pottery from the 14th century.


Looks like another visit via Google Earth.


02 Jan 21 - 12:44 AM (#4086103)
Subject: RE: Armchair Archaeologist (via Google Earth)
From: Sandra in Sydney

only 1300 gold coins

from the Smithsonian magazine which has lotsa' other interesting articles, including a genetic analysis of Seabiscuit's hoof!


03 Jan 21 - 09:58 PM (#4086362)
Subject: RE: Armchair Archaeologist (via Google Earth)
From: Sandra in Sydney

Squatters issue death threats to archaeologist who discovered oldest city in the Americas

Wikipedia on Caral archaeological site.


05 Jan 21 - 04:13 AM (#4086560)
Subject: RE: Armchair Archaeologist (via Google Earth)
From: Sandra in Sydney

lots of great info on 'OLDEST SONG IN THE WORLD' thread. https://mudcat.org/thread.cfm?threadid=157520&messages=33#3717921

a few of the links

Did Syria create the worlds first song ? VIDEO From the BBC, an interesting article on recreating songs, melodies, and instruments from archaeological finds. Michael Levy is a prolific composer for the recreated lyres of antiquity, whose musical mission is to create an entirely new musical genre, which could best be described as a 'New Ancestral Music' - dedicated to reintroducing the recreated lyres, ancient musical modes and intonations, back into the modern musical world.
Ancient Lyre It does say a bit about the process from the Cuneiform to the musical notes. This seems to be the work of a Dr. Richard Dumbrill. Well done him. Not so well done the scores of commenters on the Youtube clip, who seem not to want add any information, but simply to demonstrate to the world what arseholes they are.

Hurrian Songs

Seikilos epitaph


18 Jan 21 - 12:11 PM (#4088619)
Subject: RE: Armchair Archaeologist (via Google Earth)
From: Stilly River Sage

Queen’s temple, 50 coffins, Book of Dead: Ancient Egypt trove ‘remakes history’

Unveiling funerary temple found at vast necropolis near Cairo, archaeologists showcase 3,000-year-old sarcophagi, papyrus with spells for directing the dead through the underworld

SAQQARA, Egypt — Egypt on Sunday unveiled ancient treasures found at the Saqqara archaeological site near Cairo, including sarcophagi over 3,000 years old, a discovery that “rewrites history,” according to famed Egyptologist Zahi Hawass.

Saqqara is a vast necropolis of the ancient Egyptian capital of Memphis, a UNESCO World Heritage Site home to more than a dozen pyramids, ancient monasteries, and animal burial sites.

A team headed by Hawass made the finds near the pyramid of King Teti, the first pharaoh of the Sixth Dynasty of the Old Kingdom.


There are photos and more to the story at the link.


18 Jan 21 - 05:07 PM (#4088660)
Subject: RE: Armchair Archaeologist (via Google Earth)
From: Donuel

Check out the 30,000 year old cave painting. no typo 30,000


18 Jan 21 - 05:19 PM (#4088664)
Subject: RE: Armchair Archaeologist (via Google Earth)
From: Donuel

https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-019-03826-4


18 Jan 21 - 07:54 PM (#4088686)
Subject: RE: Armchair Archaeologist (via Google Earth)
From: Bill D

Speaking of cave art
https://www.newscientist.com/article/mg23230990-700-in-search-of-the-very-first-coded-symbols/?fbclid=IwAR013iSuGAaGoul7beJKeTJ45RXK07uR90PBSR9PkyGtR8B9kuRDP6EH1ko#ixzz6i02U2nTE


24 Jan 21 - 04:46 AM (#4089659)
Subject: RE: Armchair Archaeologist (via Google Earth)
From: Sandra in Sydney

I've been reading The 50 greatest prehistoric sites in the world by Barry Stone, so off I went to google for more info on the sites.

here are a few

Gabarnmung rock art, Australia, 46,000 BCE

Varna Necropolis - grave 43 - the bloke was covered in 1000 gold items!!

Nebelivka archaeological site in Ukraine

Arkaim archaeological site

Nuragic towers Sardinia

hypogeum Hal-Saflieni, Malta

Rujm El-Hiri Golan Heights

Heart of Neolithic Orkney UNESCO site

Jebel Hafeet tombs, Abu Dhabi

Shepsi and dolmens of North Caucasus

Sanxingdui, Sichuan, China

megaliths on Nias Island Indonesia - contemporary megolithic culture!

Prince of Glauberg - life-sized sandstone statue of a Celtic ruler

Bronze age battle field along Tollense River Germany - latest theory is that it was a massacre of merchants

I was hoping to find a list of the 50 sites, but all I can find how to buy the book, but I found this interesting site map, click on an icon & get the name of the site & google maps reference, very much on topic!


24 Jan 21 - 05:17 AM (#4089664)
Subject: RE: Armchair Archaeologist (via Google Earth)
From: Mr Red

If anyone is perusing UK maps, particularly 1840 (upwards) I have put an OSGR / LatLong converter with several map/web links targeted to the location entered. The premise was to make it fast and not rely on the internet for calculation or embedded things.

osgr.mister.red (though if you put it on Fakebook use osgr.mister.red/osgr.htm because Fakebook cleverness doesn't like other's cleverness).

Best of luck. (thinks - I just thought of another useful link to add)


24 Jan 21 - 03:26 PM (#4089741)
Subject: RE: Armchair Archaeologist (via Google Earth)
From: Stilly River Sage

Sandra you just provided us a very deep rabbit hole to explore!


25 Jan 21 - 12:57 AM (#4089790)
Subject: RE: Armchair Archaeologist (via Google Earth)
From: Sandra in Sydney

deepen your rabbit hole!!

Gulf of Campay, West India

Dolni Vestonice Czech republic

Upward Sun River, Alaska

Raqefet Cave, Israel

Gobekli Tepe, Turkey

Ceuva de las Manos, Argentina

Lepenski Vir, Serbia

Choirokitia, Cyprus

Goseck Circle,Germany

Wetzikon-Robenhausen, Switzerland

Man Bac, Vietnam


25 Jan 21 - 06:27 AM (#4089809)
Subject: RE: Armchair Archaeologist (via Google Earth)
From: Donuel

My personal fave: Gobleki Tepe
(It was buried by hand not by time long ago)

Bill the evolution of writing is a great topic.
invented and reinvented over time and finally shifting from hiroglphics to REBUS style alphabet.


28 Jan 21 - 05:39 PM (#4090392)
Subject: RE: Armchair Archaeologist (via Google Earth)
From: Sandra in Sydney

Remnants of mosque from earliest decades of Islam found in Israel

Yesterday I took some books to a charity Book stall & asked if they would like some archaeology magazines & the bloke running the store is a serious archaeology fan & collector of old & ancient pieces & wanted them!
I was taking '50 sites' back to the Library & we had a long conversation about archaeology. Charity shops don't always want magazines (& who would want to re-read old scandal about "famous" people?), so I wasn't sure if they would want them. I'll take the rest of my stash to him next week & probably have another chat with him!

sandra


28 Jan 21 - 06:00 PM (#4090397)
Subject: RE: Armchair Archaeologist (via Google Earth)
From: Donuel

!..? Good luck, it sounds like a novel about love in the time of pandemic:*)

I have a very expensive art encyclopedia from the 1960's that includes many photos of the art objects from Iraq that are now missing.
The orthodoxy of that era is however silly in retrospect.


31 Jan 21 - 09:36 AM (#4090824)
Subject: RE: Armchair Archaeologist (via Google Earth)
From: Sandra in Sydney

Anglo-Saxon graveyard discovered in Cambridge Graves found under demolished student halls are providing valuable insight into life in a post-Roman settlement.
An early medieval graveyard unearthed beneath student accommodation at Cambridge University has been described as “one of the most exciting finds of Anglo-Saxon archaeology since the 19th century”.


31 Jan 21 - 10:01 AM (#4090830)
Subject: RE: Armchair Archaeologist (via Google Earth)
From: Stilly River Sage

Sandra, that Cambridge location makes me wonder about how those buildings were constructed. One sees heavy earth-moving equipment working on the foundations of buildings when dormitories or other campus buildings are put up. These graves would have been just a few feet below the surface in that construction zone, so it sounds like they may have been pier and beam (no foundation)? Just posts in the ground?

That Roman bottle is gorgeous, quite a work of art!


31 Jan 21 - 06:57 PM (#4090892)
Subject: RE: Armchair Archaeologist (via Google Earth)
From: Sandra in Sydney

I also wondered about the graves not being disturbed, the buildings must have had very shallow foundations or none. Perhaps the site was a garden or a park, so the builders might have had a level site to work with & not needed to dig down. If it was built during the Depression or even after the Depression, maybe lots of blokes with wheelbarrows did all the work ...

I'm reminded of a dig in Sydney several decades back. The new building, a Youth Hostel was being built on top of a concrete carpark (also decades old) & an enormous part of very early Sydney was sealed underneath.

The Big Dig Archaeology Education Centre is part of Sydney Harbour YHA in The Rocks heritage precinct of Sydney. The centre facilitates hands-on archaeology educational experiences and opens the archaeological site to the public.

pics of the site & some finds The Big Dig site is underneath a youth hostel in The Rocks area of Sydney, and guests walk through part of it to get to Reception upstairs. There are also a couple of display cases containing some of the objects found in the area. Wonderful!

google maps - The Rocks YHA

panels evoking the old streetscape displayed out on the streets

I was in the Rocks while it was being excavated in 2008 so took pics thru the mesh fence. One pic shows a pit with a broken china bowl poking out of the wall.

I also have pics of the YHA taken 2 years later. The building is in 2 parts, with the ruins in the middle so everyone (public & residents) can walk thru. It was put above the foundations so most of them (all of them??) were preserved.

sandra


31 Jan 21 - 07:11 PM (#4090894)
Subject: RE: Armchair Archaeologist (via Google Earth)
From: Sandra in Sydney

I post, then head for the news & find this - Tasmanian ship graveyard & related articles


31 Jan 21 - 07:26 PM (#4090897)
Subject: RE: Armchair Archaeologist (via Google Earth)
From: Steve Shaw

Talking about building on top of ancient things, a few years ago we went to Minori, on the Amalfi Coast in Italy. In one place there are ancient Roman ruins - with modern blocks of flats perched right on top!

I suppose it does at least preserve the ruins... I can't recall too clearly but I think we saw a similar thing in Herculaneum.


06 Feb 21 - 11:40 PM (#4091903)
Subject: RE: Armchair Archaeologist (via Google Earth)
From: Stilly River Sage

Neanderthal glue was a bigger deal than we thought

Making birch tar at all is a fairly complex process. It takes multiple steps, lots of planning, and detailed knowledge of the materials and the process. So the fact that archaeologists have found a handful of tools hafted using birch tar tells us that Neanderthals were (pardon the pun) pretty sharp.

But the Zandmotor Beach flake tells us more than that. Making birch tar adhesive for tools was so routine that Neanderthals would do it even for a simple domestic tool like a small flake—even in the extreme environment of Ice Age Northwestern Europe, in the shadow of glaciers at the very northern edge of where Neanderthals could survive. And all the while, they were using fairly advanced methods for more efficient production.


11 Feb 21 - 05:04 AM (#4092575)
Subject: RE: Armchair Archaeologist (via Google Earth)
From: Sandra in Sydney

Conch shell in French museum found to be 17,000-year-old wind instrument


13 Feb 21 - 07:56 PM (#4093029)
Subject: RE: Armchair Archaeologist (via Google Earth)
From: Sandra in Sydney

World's oldest known beer factory may have been unearthed in Egypt


15 Feb 21 - 04:35 AM (#4093247)
Subject: RE: Armchair Archaeologist (via Google Earth)
From: Sandra in Sydney

Discovery of ancient Bogong moth remains at Cloggs Cave gives insight into Indigenous food practices 2000 years ago (Australia) see also links at end of article


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dark_Emu_(book) Dark Emu: Black Seeds: Agriculture or Accident? is a 2014 non-fiction book by Bruce Pascoe. It reexamines colonial accounts of Aboriginal people in Australia, and cites evidence of pre-colonial agriculture, engineering and building construction by Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander peoples.
In Dark Emu: Black seeds: agriculture or accident?, Pascoe examines the journals and diaries of early explorers such as Charles Sturt and Thomas Mitchell[5] and early settlers in Australia,[1] finding evidence in their accounts of existing agriculture,[6][7] engineering and building, including stone houses, weirs, sluices and fish traps, and also game management.[8][9] This evidence of occupation[10] challenges the traditional views about pre-colonial Australia[11] and "Terra Nullius".[12] The book also gives a description from Sturt's journal of his 1844 encounter with hundreds of Aboriginal people who were living in an established village in what is now Queensland (then part of New South Wales), in which a welcoming party offered him "water, roast duck, cake and a hut to sleep in".


25 Feb 21 - 03:03 AM (#4094752)
Subject: RE: Armchair Archaeologist (via Google Earth)
From: Sandra in Sydney

'Unique' petrified tree up to 20m years old found intact in Lesbos First came the tree, all 19.5 metres of it, with roots and branches and leaves. Then, weeks later, the discovery of 150 fossilised logs, one on top of the other, a short distance away.

Nikolas Zouros, a professor of geology at the University of the Aegean, couldn’t believe his luck. In 25 years of excavating the petrified forest of Lesbos, he had unearthed nothing like it.

“The tree is unique. To discover it so complete and in such excellent condition is a first. To then discover a treasure trove of so many petrified trunks in a single pit was, well, unbelievable.” (read on)


25 Feb 21 - 11:19 AM (#4094807)
Subject: RE: Armchair Archaeologist (via Google Earth)
From: Donuel

I love petrified wood. petrified forest
I have some. In Australia petrified wood has opalized.


25 Feb 21 - 10:15 PM (#4094900)
Subject: RE: Armchair Archaeologist (via Google Earth)
From: Stilly River Sage

I visited a couple of friends who were rangers at Petrified Forest and spent time hiking - we parked in a narrow area of the park, walked out onto private property where there is just as much petrified wood, and picked some up. We walked back through the park and tried not to look like we were each carrying 50 pounds of rocks. :)


27 Feb 21 - 08:13 PM (#4095241)
Subject: RE: Armchair Archaeologist (via Google Earth)
From: Sandra in Sydney

Pompeii archaeologists find intact ceremonial chariot at site of illegal dig


28 Feb 21 - 06:52 AM (#4095277)
Subject: RE: Armchair Archaeologist (via Google Earth)
From: Steve Shaw

That Pompei find is amazing. It's a wonderful place and there's still a lot more excavating to do. The young new director's stated philosophy is to go slowly and carefully and to leave much unexcavated for now because new techniques in the future might yield better results than are possible today.

I've been twice to Pompei, once in 1968 (on a school trip: I have fond memories of the priest leading the trip standing at the entrance of the little street that contained the prostitutes' houses, the ones with erotic frescoes, with his arms folded, firmly denying us access) and once in 2013 (I made a beeline for that street, of course). The years peeled away... A full day's visit wouldn't do Pompei justice. It's huge and it's fabulous and it's confusing, even if you have a guide book. You can go round with a guide, but that misses things out and is all a bit "potted."

And, next day, go to Herculaneum!


28 Feb 21 - 09:48 AM (#4095290)
Subject: RE: Armchair Archaeologist (via Google Earth)
From: Stilly River Sage

Two victims of Vesuvius eruption discovered in Pompeii.

Several of these casts made the museum rounds years ago, and I saw some of these casts (of what once were apparently just air gaps in the site, then someone decided to fill it in and see what had been there - and the shapes of people appeared.) I saw them at the American Museum of Natural History in New York City.


02 Mar 21 - 09:41 AM (#4095674)
Subject: RE: Armchair Archaeologist (via Google Earth)
From: Donuel

Ferrari is hoping the chariot is one of theirs. ;^/
Pompei shows the life of the common and rich Romans alike.
The conveniences and luxuries of life in 97 AD has many similarities with today.


05 Mar 21 - 04:34 PM (#4096209)
Subject: RE: Armchair Archaeologist (via Google Earth)
From: WalkaboutsVerse

There is a programme on the BBC just now looking at the honeycomb-like construction of Çatalhöyük in Turkey, where folks moved about not by roads or paths but via the roof's of neighbours - arriving home via a kind of chimney.


05 Mar 21 - 06:19 PM (#4096225)
Subject: RE: Armchair Archaeologist (via Google Earth)
From: Donuel

I know this odd underground city well. Underwater cities weren't always underwater


05 Mar 21 - 07:17 PM (#4096235)
Subject: RE: Armchair Archaeologist (via Google Earth)
From: Sandra in Sydney

interesting reading Wikipedia The Yonaguni Monument also known as "Yonaguni (Island) Submarine Ruins", is a submerged rock formation off the coast of Yonaguni, the southernmost of the Ryukyu Islands, in Japan. It lies approximately a hundred kilometres east of Taiwan.
Marine geologist Masaaki Kimura claims that the formations are man-made stepped monoliths.[1] These claims have been described as pseudoarchaeological.[2] Neither the Japanese Agency for Cultural Affairs nor the government of Okinawa Prefecture recognise the features as important cultural artifacts and neither government agency has carried out research or preservation work on the site.[3]

Lots of great photos on all types of sites (diving & pseudoarchaeological)


07 Mar 21 - 05:07 PM (#4096537)
Subject: RE: Armchair Archaeologist (via Google Earth)
From: Sandra in Sydney

Mummy Cold Case: Tracing the Identity of the Mystery ‘Persian Princess’


09 Mar 21 - 05:09 PM (#4096897)
Subject: RE: Armchair Archaeologist (via Google Earth)
From: Donuel

Thats more hideous than Piltdown man.

In the realm of pseudo archeology are my musings of highly advanced civilizations of the zep tepi or older that did not build in stone and left virtually no trace like our own perishable buildings of today. They could be 10 to fourteen thousand years old when the ice age gave way in great pulse melts. I ponder lost recipees of thin cement/concrete that mimics stone or semi opaque buildings of silica. Based on actual geologic events I can't rule out advanced civilizations by humans 50 to 70,000 years ago. The imagination of fantasy writers can run wild in such places.
Fragile remnants are found in deserts and peat bogs but little fragility remains under the great rising water of the ocean


10 Mar 21 - 10:18 AM (#4097018)
Subject: RE: Armchair Archaeologist (via Google Earth)
From: Donuel

Whimsey is one thing but the absence of evidence and my grasp on sanity prevents me from believing in an alien connection as seen on TV.https://www.smithsonianmag.com/science-nature/the-idiocy-fabrications-and-lies-of-ancient-aliens-86294030/


10 Mar 21 - 11:45 AM (#4097027)
Subject: RE: Armchair Archaeologist (via Google Earth)
From: Stilly River Sage

Checking out other links beside that story about the modern murder victim dressed up as an ancient mummy, a Pict male was violently murdered a very long time ago. The facial reconstruction is interesting.

As a child I remember reading about the Picts - how they were portrayed as mysterious, dark, short people who were ruthless fighters; that was, of course, the classic disreputable attempt to diminish foes by the winners of whatever battles took place back then. Wikipedia "Pict" entry is nicely populated with material about society, religion, art, writing, culture. . . it makes interesting reading.


10 Mar 21 - 08:26 PM (#4097097)
Subject: RE: Armchair Archaeologist (via Google Earth)
From: Sandra in Sydney

Ancient Origins is a great site for fact & pseudoarchaeology.

I read the facts, tho not usually the pseudoarchaeology. Tho in my younger days I owned several books by von danikin (or however he spells it.)

sandra (older - yes, & wiser? - dunno)


11 Mar 21 - 07:10 PM (#4097218)
Subject: RE: Armchair Archaeologist (via Google Earth)
From: Donuel

I've been reviewing Neanderthals lately regarding birth, pelvic size, early cranial growth and immunity factors. Basicly they are much like us but with high tinny voices. We are mostly Cro Magnon.

One of the better sites I found: https://www.inverse.com/science/the-abstract-vikings-neanderthals-setting-the-genetic-record-straight


11 Mar 21 - 07:31 PM (#4097222)
Subject: RE: Armchair Archaeologist (via Google Earth)
From: Donuel

My fav You look just like Mr. Pinski!


11 Mar 21 - 07:49 PM (#4097227)
Subject: RE: Armchair Archaeologist (via Google Earth)
From: Donuel

Now, they have published data revealing how these 'Neanderthalized' brain organoids behave.

On Thursday, a team, including Muotri, published a study in the journal Science detailing brain organoids they grew with the Neanderthal variant of NOVA1, a gene that influences neurodevelopment and function.

The addition, in turn, caused the organoids to differ from those strictly of the Homo sapien variety: They developed slower, expressed different electrophysical properties, and displayed higher surface complexity.

Muotri tells Inverse it’s fair to say these changes would influence specific abilities. “We know that even small perturbations during early development might have a dramatic impact on human behavior,” he says.

And while it’s premature to say Neanderthals acted in one way or another, the results do add to our understanding of the differences between these extinct humans and us. It’s understood we evolved to be a unique type of human. Cells in a dish may explain why.

WHAT’S NEW — This study helps explain why modern humans are different from Neanderthals by recreating a potential version of the past.
“This reverse-engineering approach can teach us how the archaic version of the gene behaves in the relevant cell types,” Muotri says.
“By knowing this, we can then create hypotheses on why these differences emerged.”

Genomic analysis comparing the genomes of Neanderthals to a diverse population of modern humans revealed there are 61 protein-coding genes different between the two groups. The study team decided to zero in on the gene NOVA1 because it’s “a master regulator of hundreds of other genes during neurodevelopment,” Muotri says.

Neanderthal brain organoids
The brain organoids with the Neanderthal version of NOVA1 developed uneven surfaces.Muotri Lab/UC San Diego

With the help of CRISPR-Cas9 genome-editing technology, the team replaced the modern human allele of the NOVA1 gene in human pluripotent stem cells with the archaic NOVA1 gene from the Neanderthal genome.

Observations revealed this reintroduction caused changes in “alternative splicing” in genes involved in neurodevelopment, proliferation, and synaptic connectivity. Alternative splicing is a mechanism the nervous system uses to generate complexity and variability, Muorti explains. NOVA1 typically regulates alternative splicing in developing nervous systems.

“The archaic NOVA1 targets these genes to be spliced in different ways, generating new isoforms that we don’t detect in modern humans or will only appear at different stages,” Muorti says.

The organoids looked different too. Modern human brain organoids have a smooth surface, while the archaic versions have uneven surfaces.
Human brain organoids
Modern human brain organoids, without the archaic version of NOVA1.Muotri Lab/UC San Diego
Brain organoids, for their part, differ from actual brains in important ways. Their gene expression generally mirrors that of a developing brain in utero, but they are not a perfect reproduction of brain cell types, and there is some concern growing organoids can introduce unintended mutations. In a 2019 interview with Inverse, Muotri emphasized brain organoids are human-like — but not exactly human.

But experts suggest they do have the potential to revolutionize medical research when it comes to disease modeling and drug screening. And now, it appears they may revolutionize our understanding of what it means to be human.

WHY IT MATTERS — These results suggest the modern human version of NOVA1, which likely became a fixed part of Homo sapien DNA after our ancestors diverged from Neanderthals, some 500,000 to 800,000 years ago, was critical to our species’ evolution.

brain organoids
A tray of modern human brain organoids.Muotri Lab/UC San Diego
“The neural network consequence of the archaic NOVA1 is something we are super excited about and what to explore further,” Muotri says.

If we can watch brain organeles from Neanderthals beave next to sapian organelles you know damn well we could watch a neanderthal infant grow up this decade. CRISPR goes beyond our current ethics and philosphies imo.


11 Mar 21 - 08:12 PM (#4097230)
Subject: RE: Armchair Archaeologist (via Google Earth)
From: Steve Shaw

I've always been very interested in the area near Naples known as Campi Flegrei, or the Phlegraean Fields, which is a caldera eight miles across, largely submerged in the Bay of Naples but with some manifestations on land, the Solfatara volcano for example. There was a huge supereruption of Campi Flegrei around 39000 years ago which measured 7 on the VEI scale (which basically means a very big eruption, the biggest in Europe for 200,000 years). Very shortly after the eruption there was a sharp climatic cooling, and at the same time the Neanderthals died out in Europe, to be replaced by modern humans. There are notions afoot, not settled by science, that these events were linked to the eruption. The caldera is still active, with a shallow magma chamber "hotspot" that was recently shown to be linked to the one under Vesuvius, about 12 miles away. The Solfatara crater is full of boiling mud pools and fumaroles, a great place to visit (there's a nice café/bar at the entrance and a nearby campsite that provides smelly nights). The area is noted for its rather scary bradyseism, large areas of land rising and falling in response to the magma underneath shifting around. In the early 80s the town of Pozzuoli was uplifted very sharply over a couple of years by several feet, and was evacuated for fear of an eruption. That time all was well. Like Yellowstone, it's a place worth keeping a wary eye on.


12 Mar 21 - 05:39 AM (#4097268)
Subject: RE: Armchair Archaeologist (via Google Earth)
From: Donuel

I've only watched scuba diving shows of that caldera.
The ol Neanders' were out and about even 200,000 years ago. They faded away as little as 20,000 years ago, Assimilated along with at least 5 other hominid species we are still a diversity of other hominids in our genes. For example Sherpas in Nepal have more denosovian genes and Europeans have more ancient South east asian genes. wtf?
There has been a whole lotta sex and travel goin on for some time.
Science trys to show a detailed path of mankind.
Maybe our gene pot is so stirred by now, linear trends may only be an illusion
or not.


12 Mar 21 - 06:19 AM (#4097275)
Subject: RE: Armchair Archaeologist (via Google Earth)
From: Steve Shaw

There is no evidence that Neanderthals were extant 20,000 years ago. Even 30,000 years is a stretch, with only scant and inconclusive evidence. The best estimate, based on solid evidence, is extinction around 40,000 years ago, and that the sharp cooling after the Campanian Ignimbrite, which lasted for at least a year, with acid rain being another adverse environmental factor for years afterwards, were quite likely pivotal in their extinction. I prefer to look things up before I post...


12 Mar 21 - 09:04 AM (#4097291)
Subject: RE: Armchair Archaeologist (via Google Earth)
From: Donuel

There you go with a personal dig as always. Some new and challengable evidence is in the last links I provided. I can see how pockets remained longer than we thought. I too think climate and floods share extinction factors.

Also new is CRISPR technology so we can write new inheritable code into our DNA. Now that use for our 7,000 genetic diseases is reasonable imo but going beyond that is a risky and dangerous path fraught with unknowable results. China has already crossed the line. Believe me or not, individuals will sooner than later have home devices that can read and write inheritable genes.

The CRISPR application to ancient paleological and anthropological is greater than we may be able to know today.


12 Mar 21 - 09:33 AM (#4097295)
Subject: RE: Armchair Archaeologist (via Google Earth)
From: Steve Shaw

Correcting misinformation is not a dig. I'm simply asking you to check information before you post. Accurate information posted in threads such as this makes for a more pleasant experience.


12 Mar 21 - 11:40 AM (#4097315)
Subject: RE: Armchair Archaeologist (via Google Earth)
From: Stilly River Sage

I've poked around that part of the planet using Google Earth in the past. A visit today offered up an interesting photo of a sulfur vent Solfatara Volcano. I grew up around sleeping volcanoes (the Pacific Rim of Fire runs under the Cascade Mountains in the Pacific Northwest) but would think more than twice about living in such close proximity as the Naples community is situated.


12 Mar 21 - 02:13 PM (#4097345)
Subject: RE: Armchair Archaeologist (via Google Earth)
From: Steve Shaw

The town of Pozzuoli is a workaday sort of place, but at the bottom of the town is the Macellum, or market place, which has three upstanding marble columns which have signs of erosion caused by molluscs a long way up them, showing that the ground level was much lower in Roman times, another example of the bradyseism I mentioned. It's a bit of an uphill slog from there, passing some unexcavated Roman remains below the road at one point, until you reach the Solfatara crater. In 2013 it was €6 to go in, but you can bet it's gone up since then. The crater floor is flat and covered in a stark white deposit. There are plenty of menacing fumaroles spouting sulphureous fumes accompanied by loud hissing. There are also areas of boiling mud pools, one of which was the scene of a tragedy in 2017 when a young boy and his parents died - the lad fell in and the parents died trying to rescue him. In the early 4th century San Gennaro, patron saint of Naples, and San Proculus, patron saint of Pozzuoli, were both beheaded in the Solfatara. You can still see San Gennaro's bones in the crypt of the duomo in Naples (if you really want to). There was a phreatic eruption (ground water reacting with the underlying magma chamber) in 1198, so you wonder whether the volcano is flexing its muscles...

There are two amazing Roman villas in nearby Stabiae (where Pliny The Elder died during the 79 AD eruption of Vesuvius). If you take a look at the satellite photo on wiki you can clearly make out the circle of the caldera, and you can see the little white patch which is the Solfatara crater. And plenty more. I don't half rattle on a lot about that area, but it's my absolute favourite place in the whole world. Sorry about that!


12 Mar 21 - 03:04 PM (#4097355)
Subject: RE: Armchair Archaeologist (via Google Earth)
From: Stilly River Sage

That was an interesting detour from the things I intended to be doing right now!


12 Mar 21 - 03:40 PM (#4097358)
Subject: RE: Armchair Archaeologist (via Google Earth)
From: WalkaboutsVerse

Agreed, and I'd also fancy a detour for a swim in nearby Cala di Nisida - Location on Google Maps


12 Mar 21 - 06:27 PM (#4097367)
Subject: RE: Armchair Archaeologist (via Google Earth)
From: Sandra in Sydney

wow!


12 Mar 21 - 06:56 PM (#4097376)
Subject: RE: Armchair Archaeologist (via Google Earth)
From: Steve Shaw

Naples is the third-largest urban area in Italy, taking in over three million people, most of whom live between Vesuvius on one side and Campi Flegrei on the other :-) You'd think that it was one of the most dangerous places on earth to live, and it probably is, but the Vesuvius observatory is pretty high-tech and keeps a wary eye on anything moving around underground. There's a huge contingency evacuation plan in place should there be adverse rumblings. But three million...?

The wonderful thing if you're a tourist is that Sorrento (a busy, lovely town: contact me for info on the best gelateria...) at one end and Naples at the other are connected by the Circumvesuviana railway. The whole journey from one end to the other is less than an hour and a half, and it costs next to nothing, and the trains are frequent. But en route you can stop off at stations for Stabiae, Pompei and Herculaneum, and you will! Beat that!! In Naples you have the archaeological museum, which is hot, steamy, un-air-conditioned and utterly stunning. To get to Pozzuoli and the Solfatara volcano you take a Metropolitana train from Naples, half an hour. Watch your pockets! And you simply must have a pizza in Napoli!

We stayed for a week just outside Sorrento, in a scruffy but brilliant place called Marina Grande. From there we could see right across the Bay of Naples to Naples and Vesuvius, and wonder why all those millions choose to live so dangerously. Maybe, like me, they just think it's the best place on Earth...


13 Mar 21 - 02:07 AM (#4097411)
Subject: RE: Armchair Archaeologist (via Google Earth)
From: Sandra in Sydney

Scientists may have solved ancient mystery of 'first computer' - Researchers claim breakthrough in study of 2,000-year-old Antikythera mechanism, an astronomical calculator found in sea


13 Mar 21 - 07:11 AM (#4097428)
Subject: RE: Armchair Archaeologist (via Google Earth)
From: Donuel

Getting the sun to revolve around the earth was standard operating procedure back then. There is another way to make a hollow tube without a lathe. The mind that conceived of this 'eclipse predictor' is the real mystery and not just the mechanism. For a seafarer, a compass would be more valuable. Ancient polynesians used more subtle human senses for navigation. The ancient Ronco home dial a planet gizmo still remains cool and fragile.


13 Mar 21 - 08:15 AM (#4097434)
Subject: RE: Armchair Archaeologist (via Google Earth)
From: WalkaboutsVerse

"Maybe, like me, they just think it's the best place on Earth..." (Steve)...and the fertile earth!


17 Mar 21 - 12:44 AM (#4098017)
Subject: RE: Armchair Archaeologist (via Google Earth)
From: Sandra in Sydney

yuk! Whole Rattlesnake Including Fangs Found Inside Lump of Fossilized Human Poo

Archaeologists Match 300-Year-Old Clump of Fecal Matter to the Bishop that Made


17 Mar 21 - 12:55 AM (#4098018)
Subject: RE: Armchair Archaeologist (via Google Earth)
From: Sandra in Sydney

wow! Face of incredibly preserved 700-year-old mummy found by chance

oops, 2nd link above doesn't work, so I tried blickifying again. When I paste this in the last 3 digits won't appear - TWICE, https://www.ancient-origins.net/news-history-archaeology/archaeologists-match-300-year-old-clump-fecal-matter-bishop-made-it-007058 so pop it into your own search engine

sandra


17 Mar 21 - 09:54 AM (#4098048)
Subject: RE: Armchair Archaeologist (via Google Earth)
From: Stilly River Sage

I edited that second link. I worked in the Mammoth Cave area years ago; the friend who owned the commercial cave where I was working used to be a guide in the dry Mammoth Cave (National Park Service). There is a lot of evidence of human activity in there and the speleological folks drag out artifacts by the trash bag full. Including coprolites. All of it is supposed to be left in place, but there is no enforcement in there, apparently.


17 Mar 21 - 10:26 AM (#4098051)
Subject: RE: Armchair Archaeologist (via Google Earth)
From: Sandra in Sydney

thanks, stilly

it is so easy to remove stuff - tho sometime stuff gets returned

The Mystery Of The Uluru 'Curse' Take photos but leave the rocks. It's Australia's most famous rock and annually there are 300,000 people who visit the World Heritage listed site.
Sadly, a portion of those visitors feel that they want to take home more than just photos and memories. They "souvenier" a piece of the rock itself. Apart from it being an ethically and environmentally adverse thing to do, there are many who feel that the rocks they take from the rock are cursed.
While there is no curse that the Anangu, the traditional custodians, are aware of, they acknowledge that the removing of rocks from the area is hugely disrespectful to their beliefs and culture. It can also be expensive! Tourists caught trying to take pieces of nature from the national park can face fines of up to $8500 ... (read on & learn about the Sorry Rocks)


17 Mar 21 - 11:48 AM (#4098061)
Subject: RE: Armchair Archaeologist (via Google Earth)
From: Donuel

Do you suppose the Ancient Egyptians realized carrying heavy stones beneath their ships would allow for heavier loads and stability?
Meso Americans knew this trick. It also appears the Olmec had ocean trade routes to obtain jade.

40,000 year old ice age art
Great show worth the $1.99 if you don't have the science channel.
Even back then we were fscinated by cats, but probably for different reasons.

I love Mammouth cave.


17 Mar 21 - 02:36 PM (#4098075)
Subject: RE: Armchair Archaeologist (via Google Earth)
From: Senoufou

I saw something on TV last night that I didn't know about. Apparently, on the beach at Happisburgh (Norfolk coast) ancient footprints of very early human beings have been discovered. They are about 800,000 years old, and only Africa has any older ones.
Oi orlways reckon'd wair bin hair a roit lorng toim bor!


17 Mar 21 - 03:45 PM (#4098087)
Subject: RE: Armchair Archaeologist (via Google Earth)
From: Donuel

Lucy is over 3 million years old. Your beach friend is a youngster.


17 Mar 21 - 05:49 PM (#4098111)
Subject: RE: Armchair Archaeologist (via Google Earth)
From: Helen

This totally doesn't fit the thread name, but where else am I going to post it? :-D

Oh well, maybe it does fit the thread. The structure is over 200 years old and was a marvelous piece of engineering and construction.

The Secret Life Of Lighthouses
Documentary

"Presenter Rob Bell takes us on a voyage around Britain and Ireland to reveal the hidden secrets that make offshore lighthouses such extraordinary feats of engineering. Braving the awesome might of the North Atlantic to the tempestuous moods of the North Sea, Rob takes a look behind closed doors to crack the code of these of these enigmatic structures."

I've watched the two episodes aired so far on Oz TV station SBS.

Yesterday while busking on St Pat's Day across the road from a new high-rise building construction with a humongous counterweighted crane on top, I was thinking of the episode on the Bell Lighthouse which I had been watching the day before. Robert Stevenson, the engineer who designed and project-managed the construction of that lighthouse also had the bright idea to use a counterweight on large construction cranes.

The site of the Bell Lighthouse is a reef of rocks submerged except at low tide so construction was problematic, and some people said it was impossible. I also like the idea of the huge interlocking stone pieces used in the tower so that it could withstand onslaughts from the sea. The parabolic reflectors and later the Fresnel lenses to project the light were also interesting.

It was built between 1907 and 1810.


17 Mar 21 - 07:19 PM (#4098122)
Subject: RE: Armchair Archaeologist (via Google Earth)
From: Sandra in Sydney

oops a little typo - It was built between 1907 and 1810.

It was built between 1807 and 1810.

thanks for the link, Helen

wikipedia - Bell lighthouse off the coast of Angus, Scotland, is the world's oldest surviving sea-washed lighthouse -
photo caption "Bell Rock Lighthouse with reef just visible" there it is poking out of the sea, what an amazing piece of technology

I wondered if there were pics of it during construction & found this in the same article, caption "Engraving of the lighthouse under construction in 1809, next to the temporary beacon that was constructed alongside it to accommodate the workers and serve as a temporary lighthouse"

Bell Rock Lighthouse – A stone tower in stormy seas The oldest surviving sea-washed lighthouse, the Bell Rock Lighthouse is a triumph of engineering and persistence. - more pics & engineering info


17 Mar 21 - 07:44 PM (#4098126)
Subject: RE: Armchair Archaeologist (via Google Earth)
From: Helen

No, you see Sandra, that's what makes it an archaeological marvel. They used the TARDIS to go back in time to build it. LOL

Thanks for the correction and the further info.


18 Mar 21 - 04:50 PM (#4098255)
Subject: RE: Armchair Archaeologist (via Google Earth)
From: Jon Freeman

I once lived in a house in North Wales that was probably named after a Scottish lighthouse. That was Skerryvore

The lighthouse was built by Alan Stephenson son of Robert in a whole tribey of lighthouse engineers. A lot of engineers but somewhere in that tree, you will also find the well know author Robert Louis.


18 Mar 21 - 06:17 PM (#4098265)
Subject: RE: Armchair Archaeologist (via Google Earth)
From: Helen

You had me worried there, Jon, because given that the Stephens surname is in our family tree I thought I had misspelled "Robert Stevenson's" surname and I should have known better, however having done a quick Google the Scottish civil engineer was Robert Stevenson born 1772 - responsible for the Bell Lighthouse - and the English civil engineer was Robert Stephenson born 1803 - responsible for the steam engines.

Phew! What a relief! I won't be haunted by my relatives.


18 Mar 21 - 06:22 PM (#4098267)
Subject: RE: Armchair Archaeologist (via Google Earth)
From: Jon Freeman

Sorry about my spelling, Helen.


18 Mar 21 - 06:32 PM (#4098268)
Subject: RE: Armchair Archaeologist (via Google Earth)
From: Helen

Well, actually, thanks because I didn't realise there were two engineers named Robert Stevenson or Stephenson. Very confusing.


19 Mar 21 - 11:44 PM (#4098450)
Subject: RE: Armchair Archaeologist (via Google Earth)
From: Donuel

https://www.pri.org/stories/2012-11-28/archaeologists-confirm-indian-civilization-2000-years-older-previously-believed#:~:text=A Dikshit has a point!
At 8,000 years old it looks like they're as old if not older than the Sumarians.
Indians were around 22,000 years ago but not as a high civilization.
Ask mainstream Brit authoriies and they will tell you a different story about Indian antiquity as being 4 or 5K old. Its one of those looking through a biased imperial lens things. Evidence of civilizations are still all post ice age after the great melt and flood times. Perhaps the absolute oldest cultures may have gone under water long ago if they existed.


20 Mar 21 - 07:53 AM (#4098488)
Subject: RE: Armchair Archaeologist (via Google Earth)
From: Donuel

An addendum to the antikythera mechanism (first computer) is that an American scientist took a second look at the artifact and published an article about it in Scientific American Magazine in 1959. Today the mechanism has been recreated as a working model that has amazing abilities to even compute apogee and perogee variable orbits.
What this means to me along with other finds that are merely in museum storage is where archeologists really need to explore with new eyes. Our paradigms have changed along with scientific methods that did not exist when many artifacts were packed away.


20 Mar 21 - 09:17 AM (#4098501)
Subject: RE: Armchair Archaeologist (via Google Earth)
From: Donuel

Spirals look like galaxies or all orbits in time or DNA but global ancient rock art spirals meant - what. symbols


Cute article: Amongst the numerous images found on the walls of Palaeolithic caves, fluted lines, made by fingers dragged through a skin of wet clay remain some of the most intriguing. In their study of images at Rouffignac, the authors undertook experiments with a range of modern subjects who replicated the flutings with their hands. Comparing the dimensions of the experimental flutings with the originals, they conclude that the patterns on the roof of Chamber A1 at Rouffignac were made by the fingers of children aged between 2 and 5 years old. Given the current height of the chamber, such children would have needed to be hoisted aloft by adults. Who knows what lessons in art or ritual were thereby imparted to the young persons…


23 Mar 21 - 08:08 PM (#4098985)
Subject: RE: Armchair Archaeologist (via Google Earth)
From: WalkaboutsVerse

I just learnt that photos contributed to Google Maps (more than 6,000 in my case with more than 6,000,000 views) may also be added to Google Earth; I shall have a look at that one day...


24 Mar 21 - 01:33 PM (#4099068)
Subject: RE: Armchair Archaeologist (via Google Earth)
From: WalkaboutsVerse

...either way, be better, one feels, if Google, Twitter, etc., were owned and managed by the United Nations.


24 Mar 21 - 01:57 PM (#4099081)
Subject: RE: Armchair Archaeologist (via Google Earth)
From: mg

i don't do much on google earth..but i am fascinated by archeological shows. i like to watch time team..on hulu I think. What mystifies me is how much pottery they find. Of course it was breakable...but did people just leave broken pottery around? Why is there so much? And coins...


24 Mar 21 - 02:03 PM (#4099083)
Subject: RE: Armchair Archaeologist (via Google Earth)
From: Donuel

I have overviewed studies of denosovian inter breeeding with modern humans that range from from 800,000 years ago to only 15,000 years ago in Papu New Guinea. Both are two seperate events and not continuous.
With mitochondrial DNA from large denosovian teeth it has shown populations in South Asian Indonesia show as much as 5% denosovian dna present especially in shared Gene 2. At any rate it doesn't matter much in this day and age, 'lawn chair paleoarcheologists agree'.
There does seem to be a mysterious relative or relatives with 46 chromosomes that started the human hominid branch in all its early diversity.

Dave btw in January I slipped and fell in Niagara Falls on the American side at Terrapin point. The exact spot was deemed too dangerous and was dynamited years ago. I was saved by my actual fingernails and two friends as I was only in up to my waist in slow current but the edge was only meters away. I remember how my pants were frozen solid on the walk back to the car.
People do inner tube in the fast Niagara river miles above Horseshoe Falls in July.


24 Mar 21 - 02:38 PM (#4099088)
Subject: RE: Armchair Archaeologist (via Google Earth)
From: WalkaboutsVerse

I think I saw footage where it was temporarily damned to work on the fall itself, yes?

As you may know, Donuel, unlike yourself, Matthew Webb, the first to swim the English channel, sadly didn't live to tell the tale of swimming the Whirlpool Rapids below Niagara Falls.


31 Mar 21 - 05:08 AM (#4100070)
Subject: RE: Armchair Archaeologist (via Google Earth)
From: Sandra in Sydney

Dig reveals 6,000-year-old salt hub in North Yorkshire


31 Mar 21 - 07:39 AM (#4100084)
Subject: RE: Armchair Archaeologist (via Google Earth)
From: Donuel

Going back much further, Neanderthals are being tracked by the mineral signatures in the very few workable flint outcroppings that were shared for thousands of years.

Some of the last Denosovians bred with modern humans on an island in Indonesia. Other rare remains were found in Nepal.


01 Apr 21 - 09:06 PM (#4100346)
Subject: RE: Armchair Archaeologist (via Google Earth)
From: Sandra in Sydney

Arabian coins found in US may unlock 17th-century pirate mystery


01 Apr 21 - 09:18 PM (#4100351)
Subject: RE: Armchair Archaeologist (via Google Earth)
From: Stilly River Sage

Interesting - though it's a head-scratcher how they ended up in the soil in such a random fashion (of course, we don't know what was once on that soil - buildings, an encampment, etc., things not durable enough to leave marks).


03 Apr 21 - 01:00 PM (#4100613)
Subject: RE: Armchair Archaeologist (via Google Earth)
From: Bill D

http://www.sci-news.com/archaeology/kalahari-humans-09512.html

"Innovative Humans Thrived in Water-Rich Kalahari 105,000 Years Ago"


04 Apr 21 - 12:00 PM (#4100753)
Subject: RE: Armchair Archaeologist (via Google Earth)
From: Stilly River Sage

I recognized the calcite crystals before I read the article - the interesting angles of crystal growth.

Quartz and iron pyrite (for example) would be useful together for sparks (fire starter) but calcite doesn't have that kind of use. Assuming that crystals were for decorative and ceremonial use is something we can do by associating our own attraction to shiny or pretty colors. Determining where the calcite came from would help determine trade routes or migratory habits of the people who spent time in that shelter. There's a comparable travelled rock from the Texas panhandle, a form of microcrystaline quartz found in the Alibates Flint Quarry. If you go to the site you see all of these spots where plants are growing in distinct round spots about 6 feet across scattered across the landscape. The quarries (hundreds, maybe thousands of them) were small holes dug, with rocks chipped out as they were mined, and over time they filled with blown topsoil. Plants were able to grow in that soil where the surrounding areas are still so rocky most plants can't get established. Those filled in quarries also would hold moisture to keep plants green year-round.

The flint from Alibates has been found down into Mexico and hundreds of miles east and west of the location. The surmise is that nodules of the beautifully-color quartz were easily carried for trade for knapping into points where they ended up. You wouldn't do that with calcite, it's too soft.


06 Apr 21 - 09:03 AM (#4100972)
Subject: RE: Armchair Archaeologist (via Google Earth)
From: Donuel

Just from my informal observation as a people watcher I have seen faces of people who resemble early hominids in SE Asian populations (pigmentation aside) and Neanderthals in North America whose features were textbook and ancestry tinged with inbreeding in Zor Valley NY.
Honest to god some of the features were stark. I have not been so affected by tke features of native Americans who I find possess a global beauty of world wide variation.


06 Apr 21 - 04:35 PM (#4101043)
Subject: RE: Armchair Archaeologist (via Google Earth)
From: Donuel

In Bill's neck of the woods there are gigantic white boulders of shocked quartz scattered everywhere. What is now the Chesepeak Bay was an impact site that created all the shocked quartz. Maany peple proudly display these white boulders in their yard as decoration.


07 Apr 21 - 07:36 PM (#4101269)
Subject: RE: Armchair Archaeologist (via Google Earth)
From: Sandra in Sydney

Stone slab found in France thought to be Europe’s oldest 3D map


07 Apr 21 - 11:56 PM (#4101311)
Subject: RE: Armchair Archaeologist (via Google Earth)
From: Stilly River Sage

I don't think this one has been shared here yet: Archaeologists unearth bronze age graves at Stonehenge tunnel site


09 Apr 21 - 05:32 AM (#4101481)
Subject: RE: Armchair Archaeologist (via Google Earth)
From: Sandra in Sydney

3,000-year-old ‘lost golden city’ of ancient Egypt discovered
BBC - 'Lost golden city' found in Egypt reveals lives of ancient pharaohs
national Geographc story


16 Apr 21 - 06:06 AM (#4102378)
Subject: RE: Armchair Archaeologist (via Google Earth)
From: Sandra in Sydney

Boomerangs were the multi-tool of early Indigenous Australians


16 Apr 21 - 01:36 PM (#4102437)
Subject: RE: Armchair Archaeologist (via Google Earth)
From: Bill D

Right here in the USA


16 Apr 21 - 07:13 PM (#4102462)
Subject: RE: Armchair Archaeologist (via Google Earth)
From: Donuel

I've always thought the mounds down South were uilitarian spaces of high ground to take shelter in floods of the Missisipi and hurricanes.


20 Apr 21 - 09:02 PM (#4102868)
Subject: RE: Armchair Archaeologist (via Google Earth)
From: Sandra in Sydney

The World’s Largest Intact Ancient Mosaic Opens to Public in Antakya, Turkey

The hotel being built on the site was redesigned so as not to damage the 2nd & 5th century mosaics.   architecture of the Museum Hotel

Journey with us into the story of ancient Antioch through videos, touch screens and 3D projections that bring the past to life before the absorbing the raw energy of the site itself.


21 Apr 21 - 07:20 AM (#4102899)
Subject: RE: Armchair Archaeologist (via Google Earth)
From: Sandra in Sydney

Harriet Tubman: archaeologists find abolitionist’s lost Maryland home
Harriet Tubman home discovered


21 Apr 21 - 08:18 AM (#4102917)
Subject: RE: Armchair Archaeologist (via Google Earth)
From: Raggytash

Wow! The mosaic is brilliant. Thanks for posting Sandra.


21 Apr 21 - 10:37 AM (#4102949)
Subject: RE: Armchair Archaeologist (via Google Earth)
From: Sandra in Sydney

what I love is the strength of the mosaic vs. earthquake, all those tiny little pieces were so well fastened down, it just bent not broke.

The hotel is an amazing piece of architecture, sitting around a heritage site. An example for other owners of heritage sites of what can be done by a thoughtful (vs. money making) owner.


22 Apr 21 - 09:55 AM (#4103106)
Subject: RE: Armchair Archaeologist (via Google Earth)
From: Donuel

I noticed how 3D illusions were part of these mosaics

Why were Neanderthals wiped out? My personal musings imagine that Neanderthals must have been an evolved species that were originally out of Africa but adapted to cold and 1/10th the sunlight. As unlikely as it sounds, were they wiped out by what was essentailly their ancestors?
Was (lack of) beauty an element of their extinction? Did different vocalization or language play a role? Did a form of racism shape the encounters with other humans? Perhaps some humans believed Neanderthal lives matter but maybe many didn't. Did weapon technology like the bow and arrow play a role? It seems earth changes and climate is the prevaling status quo explanation today.
jus askin, i'm not accusin.


22 Apr 21 - 10:32 AM (#4103110)
Subject: RE: Armchair Archaeologist (via Google Earth)
From: Steve Shaw

The Campanian Ignimbrite, a super-eruption in the Bay of Naples 39000 years ago, probably played a part. Most of the caldera is submerged under the sea, but there are still fumaroles, boiling mud pools and bradyseism in the area. It's an entertainingly dangerous place of the Yellowstone ilk. If it goes off again it won't be a few thousand Neanderthals, but the three million people in and around Naples who may be doomed.


24 Apr 21 - 12:47 PM (#4103367)
Subject: RE: Armchair Archaeologist (via Google Earth)
From: Donuel

Over here paleontologist heaven is in Nebraska for the millions of easy to recover mamallian fossils. (with help from native Americans).
Dino fossils are further west washed up in amalgams of multiple animals from when glacial dams broke and flooded what we now call the bad lands.

Ask Rap about the beautiful places among the badlands.


24 Apr 21 - 03:08 PM (#4103379)
Subject: RE: Armchair Archaeologist (via Google Earth)
From: Stilly River Sage

I think the ancient city of Cahokia has largely gone unconsidered, when compared to the large stone edifices built in the south of Mexico, in Central America, and in the northern reaches of South America. But it was impressive and large in contrast to just about anything around (though there were some large communities with mounds down along the southern Mississippi River also).

What Doomed the Great City of Cahokia? Not Ecological Hubris, Study Says

Excavations at the city, famous for its pre-Columbian mounds, challenge the idea that residents destroyed the city through wood clearing.

A thousand years ago, a city rose on the banks of the Mississippi River, near what eventually became the city of St. Louis. Sprawling over miles of rich farms, public plazas and earthen mounds, the city — known today as Cahokia — was a thriving hub of immigrants, lavish feasting and religious ceremony. At its peak in the 1100s, Cahokia housed 20,000 people, greater than contemporaneous Paris.

By 1350, Cahokia had largely been abandoned, and why people left the city is one of the greatest mysteries of North American archaeology.

Now, some scientists are arguing that one popular explanation — Cahokia had committed ecocide by destroying its environment, and thus destroyed itself — can be rejected out of hand. Recent excavations at Cahokia led by Caitlin Rankin, an archaeologist at the University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign, show that there is no evidence at the site of human-caused erosion or flooding in the city.


The story is a lot longer, find the rest at the link.

There isn't a lot to be seen from above on Google Earth but if you search Cahokia Mounds State Historic Site you'll see a 360o photo from the tallest mound.


24 Apr 21 - 05:58 PM (#4103403)
Subject: RE: Armchair Archaeologist (via Google Earth)
From: Bill D

I lived in St. Louis one Fall semester at college, but had never heard of it not far on the other side of the river. I guess in 1959, not many others had.


30 Apr 21 - 04:16 AM (#4104032)
Subject: RE: Armchair Archaeologist (via Google Earth)
From: Sandra in Sydney

Pregnant Egyptian mummy I checked out a lot of articles trying to find best pics - here are a few others

https://www.express.co.uk/news/science/1429740/archaeology-news-pregnant-ancient

Archaeology & history articles

and a bonus not about Egyptian mummies - Nazi gold (almost) found


URL fixed in Nazi gold article. ---mudelf


30 Apr 21 - 08:43 PM (#4104127)
Subject: RE: Armchair Archaeologist (via Google Earth)
From: Sandra in Sydney

Trove of Bronze Age jewellery discovered

Sculpture of mystery king dating back 3,000 years found in Israel (2018 story)

Discovery of ancient Aboriginal burial ground (2018 story) last par - Despite the community's concerns, global miner Rio Tinto has assured Mapoon residents a clear process is already in place to ensure the mine works with traditional owners to identify and manage cultural heritage. Last year Rio Tinto legally destroyed 46,000yo rock shelters in another state


16 May 21 - 10:01 PM (#4106316)
Subject: RE: Armchair Archaeologist (via Google Earth)
From: Sandra in Sydney

scroll to no. 8- What was found from an archeology dig in Amsterdam

Below the surface - Amsterdam Metro dig finds approximately 700,000 objects found from 119,000 BC to 2005 when the dig started. Click on each pic for a description - from 119000 BC seashells to a 2005 spinning top!


17 May 21 - 01:00 AM (#4106321)
Subject: RE: Armchair Archaeologist (via Google Earth)
From: Stilly River Sage

The Amsterdam one was interesting, but those outhouses were certainly worth a look. And that model of the Mississippi - quite an idea in it's day. Too bad it's such a mess now, you'd think they'd figure out a way to bring new life to a project like that.


17 May 21 - 02:39 AM (#4106325)
Subject: RE: Armchair Archaeologist (via Google Earth)
From: Sandra in Sydney

Messy Nessy - Blogging on the Off-Beat the Unique and the Chic It's a treasury of interesting articles & sites. I can spend hours there looking at articles, then the articles mentioned below, then ....


17 May 21 - 07:52 AM (#4106342)
Subject: RE: Armchair Archaeologist (via Google Earth)
From: Donuel

I have been watching the series 'First Footprints' about the 50,000 year old rock paintings in Australia. They are more amazing than the French caves imo.


17 May 21 - 09:22 AM (#4106352)
Subject: RE: Armchair Archaeologist (via Google Earth)
From: Donuel

Excellent links Sandra. I only discovered Messy Nessie a month ago while researching Liebensborn. The results have been most satisfying.

River beds are a treasure trove whether its on Earth or Mars. :^/


17 May 21 - 09:43 AM (#4106354)
Subject: RE: Armchair Archaeologist (via Google Earth)
From: Sandra in Sydney

speaking of riverbeds - Mudlarking on the Thames
Listen to interviews with London's top mudlarks and see their collections

a google search on 'Thames mudlarks' gives zillions of results & lotsa' videos & pictures of their finds


18 May 21 - 08:18 PM (#4106601)
Subject: RE: Armchair Archaeologist (via Google Earth)
From: Donuel

When waterways get dredged, new gets mixed with old so artifacts can turn up that aren't expected.


18 May 21 - 10:17 PM (#4106614)
Subject: RE: Armchair Archaeologist (via Google Earth)
From: Sandra in Sydney

infill from 19th-21st century work on the Thames banks contains very interesting items.


19 May 21 - 06:15 PM (#4106713)
Subject: RE: Armchair Archaeologist (via Google Earth)
From: Stilly River Sage

I reminds me of reading about the area inside Crater of Diamonds State Park in Arkansas. They go in with a bulldozer after rainstorms and turn the soil so more stuff can come to the top. Park visitors go out in gear for mud and sift through the soil for diamonds.


19 May 21 - 07:49 PM (#4106722)
Subject: RE: Armchair Archaeologist (via Google Earth)
From: Sandra in Sydney

diamonds!! ooohhh

much better than medieval shoes or pottery shards


21 May 21 - 04:57 PM (#4106904)
Subject: RE: Armchair Archaeologist (via Google Earth)
From: WalkaboutsVerse

Because glass and all sorts can be cut with them, of course!


22 May 21 - 12:10 AM (#4106930)
Subject: RE: Armchair Archaeologist (via Google Earth)
From: Stilly River Sage

Crater of Diamonds State Park

Google search on Crater of Diamonds images.

The thing about this place is that these are diamonds just as much as those found in Africa, but (maybe it's on the site) DeBeers never authenticated or maybe the Arkansas folks refused to join the diamond cartel, but the Arkansas diamonds aren't counted in the same way as the mined ones from Africa.

https://arktimes.com/sponsored/visit-arkansas/2017/04/06/visitor-finds-7-44-carat-diamond-at-arkansass-crater-of-diamonds-state-park


22 May 21 - 02:58 AM (#4106940)
Subject: RE: Armchair Archaeologist (via Google Earth)
From: Jack Campin

Real on-the-ground archaeology news: the University of Sheffield wants to shut down its archaeology department. Which is one of the most important in the UK.


22 May 21 - 06:36 AM (#4106968)
Subject: RE: Armchair Archaeologist (via Google Earth)
From: Sandra in Sydney

here in the Land oo Oz we are also losing 'unnecessary' university departments & courses but I can't find the article I read recently.


22 May 21 - 06:59 AM (#4106974)
Subject: RE: Armchair Archaeologist (via Google Earth)
From: Sandra in Sydney

3 amazing tombs -
Warrior Burial Is Scythian Amazon Girl No Older Than 13

Examining the Stunning Treasures in the Siberian Valley of the kings reconstructed clothes & lots of gold

Siberian Ice Maiden who died of breast cancer


22 May 21 - 08:29 AM (#4106986)
Subject: RE: Armchair Archaeologist (via Google Earth)
From: Donuel

In NYS near Herkimer I found 50 carots of Herkimer diamonds in matrix.
https://www.google.com/search?q=herkimer%20diamonds&oq=herkimer+diamonds&aqs=chrome..69i57j0i457j0l3j46i175i199i395i422i424j0i39


22 May 21 - 11:50 AM (#4107019)
Subject: RE: Armchair Archaeologist (via Google Earth)
From: Stilly River Sage

I've poked around the the Herkimer area; that rock is hard to break up to get the clear quartz. I decided to buy a couple of pretty pieces in the gift shop. (I learned about that quartz in a geology class, so when I was working in the New York area for a few years I made plans to go by there.)


28 May 21 - 04:05 AM (#4107880)
Subject: RE: Armchair Archaeologist (via Google Earth)
From: Sandra in Sydney

Site in Syria could be world’s oldest war memorial, study finds


28 May 21 - 08:46 AM (#4107910)
Subject: RE: Armchair Archaeologist (via Google Earth)
From: Donuel

In the Amazon we have found only 16 sites with wonderful cliff paintings. Paintings of giant seabirds that have gone extinct in the meantime was on one cliff. Carbon dating of the ochre paint spilled on a stump tested at 27 thousand years old. The most recent was 12 thousand.

Maggie you seem to have had so many mirrored experiences that I can relate to, its surreal. However sadly I have never been outside the north american continent.


28 May 21 - 06:45 PM (#4107970)
Subject: RE: Armchair Archaeologist (via Google Earth)
From: Stilly River Sage

I haven't been out of North America either. We have a wide-ranging set of similar interests.

They Syrian monument is shown in the article, and the bodies are described - I do wonder how they know how the bodies are placed without taking the monument apart? I'm guessing it wasn't a huge mound of dirt piled, by the basketful, on top of the bodies, but some other burial arrangement.


28 May 21 - 08:01 PM (#4107977)
Subject: RE: Armchair Archaeologist (via Google Earth)
From: Sandra in Sydney

there are lots of references to the news article/press release, this is the only one I could find with links to further info

Syria, Tell Banat - scholarly references


29 May 21 - 08:16 AM (#4108017)
Subject: RE: Armchair Archaeologist (via Google Earth)
From: WalkaboutsVerse

Not sure about all ochre paintings but gather it depends on the location, however I am sure that Aboriginal clans renew theirs regularly.


29 May 21 - 11:18 AM (#4108030)
Subject: RE: Armchair Archaeologist (via Google Earth)
From: Stilly River Sage

Aboriginal clans renew theirs regularly.

I agree with Dave and others. You are daft.


29 May 21 - 11:33 AM (#4108033)
Subject: RE: Armchair Archaeologist (via Google Earth)
From: Sandra in Sydney

Culturally, art can be renewed if it has custodians who have the knowledge to do so. Legally that would be vandalism, but it is all right for Govt regulations to allow big business - miners, etc. to destroy it.

Sometime back I read an article about an Indigenous man being fined for renewing art in his Country, but I can't find the article but found this instead - Why Australia's Aboriginal rock art will disappear

John Meredith - miscellaneous photos and artifacts He was one of our earliest folklore collectors & also researched Aboriginal rock art.
Between 1948 & 1951 John Meredith & Brian Loughlin located & drew Aboriginal rock carvings which led to an article in Walkabout in 1951. Merro's meticulous drawings are held by the Australian Institute of Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander Studies. (Keith McKenry's biography of John Meredith, pp.91-94)


29 May 21 - 11:41 AM (#4108034)
Subject: RE: Armchair Archaeologist (via Google Earth)
From: WalkaboutsVerse

I may have added SOME Aboriginal clans, SRS, but otherwise that was not a daft post at all - I got distinctions at uni for "Pre-Colonial Aboriginal Society" and "Aborigines and the State".

No need to say what you are or even what letter it begins with.


29 May 21 - 11:43 AM (#4108035)
Subject: RE: Armchair Archaeologist (via Google Earth)
From: Stilly River Sage

A mixedblood friend wrote several novels from the point of view of tribal people here in the US. In one he had the Southwestern reservation residents concocting a scheme to move back into some of the historic dwellings, in costume, and charge a lot of money admittance to the white tourists who wanted to see the Indians in their natural habitat. That way they could all put the latest appliances in their nearby modern homes and simply take turns doing their costumed stint at the historic village.

Native/aboriginal people aren't museum pieces. Colonization changed each continent and we all live in the the twenty-first century. Proving a link to art 27,000 years old requires DNA, not simply a few pots of yellow paint stored out in the garage.


07 Jun 21 - 11:47 AM (#4109188)
Subject: RE: Armchair Archaeologist (via Google Earth)
From: Sandra in Sydney

Shackled skeleton identified as rare evidence of slavery in Roman Britain


07 Jun 21 - 12:00 PM (#4109190)
Subject: RE: Armchair Archaeologist (via Google Earth)
From: Stilly River Sage

One assumes that the evidence is rare, slavery wasn't.

Pacific Northwest coastal tribes enslaved members of other tribes (defeated in battle) from the area; I think slaves could work their way out of the status but if they didn't, chances are that anyone who died a slave ended up buried in the middens, not in some other ceremonial location.


07 Jun 21 - 12:03 PM (#4109191)
Subject: RE: Armchair Archaeologist (via Google Earth)
From: Stilly River Sage

This was a link on the side of your last page, Sandra: Roman ruins in Yorkshire are a first of their kind.

And I re-upped in my quarterly donations to the Guardian.


08 Jun 21 - 07:11 AM (#4109318)
Subject: RE: Armchair Archaeologist (via Google Earth)
From: Sandra in Sydney

wow!

oops I hadn't seen it (blush)


08 Jun 21 - 12:04 PM (#4109341)
Subject: RE: Armchair Archaeologist (via Google Earth)
From: Donuel

`In our lifetimes the secrets of the great pyramid regarding the transportation and contruction are 99% solved. Even the labor division, food, beer and competition of over 2,000 expert laborers along with their families over 25 years has been worked out from the smallest teams of 40 to larger groups.
The inner rough stone with morter and rubble and the outer carved stone with passages are completly different in the way they were lifted. The next problem of lifting the stone was done with 2 ratcheted sloping galleries that lifted inner stone and the outer spiral ramp, stone was lifted up to 425 feet for the outer structure. Stone came by boats 200 feet away either on their deck or for larger stone slung underneath.
95% of the remains of a hydraulic ram pump for water is also a feature of the great pyramid that is not totally understood as to how and why it was used. One theory is it supplied water for an underground canal ceremony or irrigation. The whole structure is more of a public utility than a tomb.

All but one grand gallery with ratcheted lifting capacity has been directly explored. At this point density data only suggests where it is. Could there be more left undiscovered? Sure but I am satisfied how it was done.


08 Jun 21 - 12:21 PM (#4109342)
Subject: RE: Armchair Archaeologist (via Google Earth)
From: Stilly River Sage

Back to the remarks about slaves, I got that information from archeologists working at San Juan Island Natl. Historical Park at English Camp, where there was a long gentle slope down to the water where the small fortifications were built. The group was doing a grid of core samples into the area because it was the locations of a pre-European settlement village and there was a huge middens. If in the course of twisting down to get a sample (at least 6-10 feet deep, as I recall) they hit human bone they tented the area off and dug down. They said that people discarded in the middens would have been slaves.


08 Jun 21 - 12:39 PM (#4109344)
Subject: RE: Armchair Archaeologist (via Google Earth)
From: Donuel

From imagination alone I picture the sides of the pyramid with glass smooth flowing water reflecting the sun with 98% blinding reflectivity.

Much of the work probably was in building the man made waterways to get all the materials to the contruction site.


08 Jun 21 - 05:26 PM (#4109379)
Subject: RE: Armchair Archaeologist (via Google Earth)
From: Donuel

Slavery has been ubiquitous in most ancient societies. There is an intellectual arguement for slavery in civilization, seperate from race but often not, but even I find it difficult to be a devil's advocate for such a notion. Slavery on an uber scale hasn't been used in over


75 years.


08 Jun 21 - 08:54 PM (#4109410)
Subject: RE: Armchair Archaeologist (via Google Earth)
From: Sandra in Sydney

Shackled adult & child skeletons unearthed in Roman necropolis in France

Roman shipwreck in South America


09 Jun 21 - 08:16 AM (#4109449)
Subject: RE: Armchair Archaeologist (via Google Earth)
From: Donuel

Sure the Romans made the trip, so did the Egyptians or they traded with the Romans to get things like cocaine. Asians walked there.


11 Jun 21 - 07:19 AM (#4109666)
Subject: RE: Armchair Archaeologist (via Google Earth)
From: Sandra in Sydney

UK - Medieval fashion for pointy shoes linked to rise in bunions


13 Jun 21 - 12:34 PM (#4110013)
Subject: RE: Armchair Archaeologist (via Google Earth)
From: Stilly River Sage

I had one bunion and scheduled surgery to fix it before it was so bad that they'd have to break any bones. I'm very careful about the shoes I wear now; no heels, and with plenty of room (not falling off loose, but not so tight as I sometimes wore).


13 Jun 21 - 04:52 PM (#4110039)
Subject: RE: Armchair Archaeologist (via Google Earth)
From: Steve Shaw

Good luck with that, Maggie. Mrs Steve had bunion issues big time about 20 years ago and it was a tough time. She's been wearing nice loose shoes and sandals ever since. I get mixoid cysts on both big toes (and on one thumb). They spoil the look of my otherwise beautiful feet ;-) but they don't hurt. As for archaeology, I dug out a patch of grass yesterday, right next to one side of the house, that's been there (as far as I know) since the house was built 130 years ago. I want to make a bigger car parking area next to the house and am laying down the same gravel that covers the rest of the drive. I was delighted to find that the site was underlaid with the rubble from the construction of the house, so hardcore wasn't needed. But I did unearth several iron objects, pins, nails, rings, that sort of thing, and an ancient pair of scissors. I assume they were all to do with the building of the house. On a more sinister note, there was also a pretty large limb bone, right next to the house wall. I assume it's from a big dog, but I didn't investigate it further. I wondered why you'd bury your dog right under the house wall...


13 Jun 21 - 07:27 PM (#4110048)
Subject: RE: Armchair Archaeologist (via Google Earth)
From: Sandra in Sydney

one of my friends bought an inner-city house way back in the 90s, it had been an inn, built c.1860 when his suburb was an outlier of Old Sydney Town, & he found horseshoes & giant nails, & a very modern small plastic doll in his dig!


14 Jun 21 - 09:41 AM (#4110119)
Subject: RE: Armchair Archaeologist (via Google Earth)
From: Donuel

While not archaeology this is worthwhile thead drift.
250 million year old life
This gives panspermia a shot in the arm.


14 Jun 21 - 11:19 AM (#4110134)
Subject: RE: Armchair Archaeologist (via Google Earth)
From: Stilly River Sage

Have you read the lovely piece of fiction about the Smithsonian Barbie? The place I picked up this text thinks it's real, it isn't, but it IS charming. :)

Smithsonian Institute
207 Pennsylvania Avenue
Washington, DC 20078

Dear Mr. Williams:

Thank you for your latest submission to the Institute, labeled "93211-D, layer seven, next to the clothesline post... Hominid skull." We have given this specimen a careful and detailed examination, and regret to inform you that we disagree with your theory that it represents conclusive proof of the presence of Early Man in Charleston County two million years ago.

Rather, it appears that what you have found is the head of a Barbie doll, of the variety that one of our staff, who has small children, believes to be "Malibu Barbie." It is evident that you have given a great deal of thought to the analysis of this specimen, and you may be quite certain that those of us who are familiar with your prior work in the field were loathe to come to contradiction with your findings. However, we do feel that there are a number of physical attributes of the specimen which might have tipped you off to its modern origin:

1. The material is molded plastic. Ancient hominid remains are typically fossilized bone.

2. The cranial capacity of the specimen is approximately 9 cubic centimeters, well below the threshold of even the earliest identified proto-homonids.

3. The dentition pattern evident on the skull is more consistent with the common domesticated dog than it is with the ravenous man-eating Pliocene clams you speculate roamed the wetlands during that time.

This latter finding is certainly one of the most intriguing hypotheses you have submitted in your history with this institution, but the evidence seems to weigh rather heavily against it. Without going into too much detail, let us say that:

A. The specimen looks like the head of a Barbie doll that a dog has chewed on.

B. Clams don't have teeth.

It is with feelings tinged with melancholy that we must deny your request to have the specimen carbon-dated. This is partially due to the heavy load our lab must bear in its normal operation, and partly due to carbon-dating's notorious inaccuracy in fossils of recent geologic record. To the best of our knowledge, no Barbie dolls were produced prior to 1956 AD, and carbon-dating is likely to produce wildly inaccurate results.

Sadly, we must also deny your request that we approach the National Science Foundation Phylogeny Department with the concept of assigning your specimen the scientific name Australopithecus spiff-arino. Speaking personally, I, for one, fought tenaciously for the acceptance of your proposed taxonomy, but was ultimately voted down because the species name you selected was hyphenated, and didn't really sound like it might be Latin.

However, we gladly accept your generous donation of this this fascinating specimen to the museum. While it is undoubtedly not a Hominid fossil, it is, nonetheless, yet another riveting example of the great body of work you seem to accumulate here so effortlessly. You should know that our Director has reserved a special shelf in his own office for the display of the specimens you have previously submitted to the Institution, and the entire staff speculates daily on what you will happen upon next in your digs at the site you have discovered in your Newport back yard.

We eagerly anticipate your trip to our nation's capital that you proposed in your last letter, and several of us are pressing the Director to pay for it. We are particularly interested in hearing you expand on your theories surrounding the trans-positating fillifitation of ferrous ions in a structural matrix that makes the excellent juvenile Tyrannosaurus rex femur you recently discovered take on the deceptive appearance of a rusty 9-mm Sears Craftsman automotive crescent wrench.

Yours in Science,

Harvey Rowe
Chief Curator-Antiquities




Here's the Snopes story about how it came about. It's a great piece of epistolarial fiction.


15 Jun 21 - 05:26 AM (#4110236)
Subject: RE: Armchair Archaeologist (via Google Earth)
From: Sandra in Sydney

brilliant, I've shared it with some doll-collecting friends.


16 Jun 21 - 07:00 AM (#4110344)
Subject: RE: Armchair Archaeologist (via Google Earth)
From: Raggytash

Brilliant SRS!!


29 Jun 21 - 08:07 PM (#4111858)
Subject: RE: Armchair Archaeologist (via Google Earth)
From: Sandra in Sydney

Discovery of Black Death bacterium in 5,000-year-old body shows ancient roots of medieval plague (The Black Death, bubonic plague 1347 - early 1350s with many reappearances)


30 Jun 21 - 09:39 PM (#4111956)
Subject: RE: Armchair Archaeologist (via Google Earth)
From: Donuel

Woof! Virus archeology sounds wicked. Our pandemic is 1 to 3% deadly, 1918 was 5% deadly and the black death was 33% fatal. Earlier plagues are unknown. There is plenty of permafrost that's melting to release some very old bugs.


02 Jul 21 - 12:06 PM (#4112120)
Subject: RE: Armchair Archaeologist (via Google Earth)
From: Donuel

A month ago I claimed we have a fundamental understanding as to the construction of the great ancient stone structures but no one was contentious enough to scream BS!
As we know the devil is in the details

There are villains to modern archeology and we know who they are.

I came across 'Nigel Guy' who is one of the most affectionate sarcastic speakers I have ever heard...While making no claims but posing good questions, ladies and gentlemen I present
what...wait

where's the audience?

There were several conundrums I was unaware of.


07 Jul 21 - 12:40 PM (#4112622)
Subject: RE: Armchair Archaeologist (via Google Earth)
From: Stilly River Sage

There is an inaccurate Facebook meme out there identifying this as a "10,000 year old hidden library." It was walled up, apparently, but the New Yorker had a story about it a number of years ago that is a good antidote to the click bait piece.

A Secret Library, Digitally Excavated

Just over a thousand years ago, someone sealed up a chamber in a cave outside the oasis town of Dunhuang, on the edge of the Gobi Desert in western China. The chamber was filled with more than five hundred cubic feet of bundled manuscripts. They sat there, hidden, for the next nine hundred years. When the room, which came to be known as the Dunhuang Library, was finally opened in 1900, it was hailed as one of the great archaeological discoveries of the twentieth century, on par with Tutankhamun’s tomb and the Dead Sea Scrolls.

The library was discovered by accident. In the early Middle Ages, Dunhuang had been a flourishing city-state. It had also long been famous as a center of Buddhist worship; pilgrims travelled great distances to visit its cave shrines, comprised of hundreds of lavishly decorated caverns carved into a cliff on the city’s outskirts. But by the early twentieth century, the town was a backwater, and its caves had fallen into disrepair. Wang Yuanlu, an itinerant Taoist monk, appointed himself their caretaker. One day, he noticed his cigarette smoke wafting toward the back wall of a large cave shrine. Curious, he knocked down the wall, and found a mountain of documents, piled almost ten feet high.


This is the debunking article about the Facebook nonsense.


07 Jul 21 - 03:30 PM (#4112643)
Subject: RE: Armchair Archaeologist (via Google Earth)
From: Donuel

That made me wonder about the credibility of the pre Neanderthal discoveries of Dragon Man and the recent Isreali discovery.


08 Jul 21 - 01:58 PM (#4112720)
Subject: RE: Armchair Archaeologist (via Google Earth)
From: Bill D

I don't remember this being posted before. It is fascinating to see evidence of 'art' by people even older than most known civilizations.
Giraffe carvings in the Sahara


08 Jul 21 - 02:10 PM (#4112721)
Subject: RE: Armchair Archaeologist (via Google Earth)
From: Stilly River Sage

Something more to love about the Tuareg region.

Years ago I was listening to All Things Considered and they did a story about Ali Farka Toure, who is from that region. I poked around on the map to find out more about it (fascinating history and archeology) and I immediately ordered the CD they talked about (Niafunke).


10 Jul 21 - 05:52 AM (#4112849)
Subject: RE: Armchair Archaeologist (via Google Earth)
From: Sandra in Sydney

Faces of the dead emerge from lost African American graveyard Bones of enslaved furnace workers tell the grim story of their lives.

links to related stories are included - at least 6, I think, I lost count. Then I went to google for more information & pictures.

sandra (overwhelmed)


10 Jul 21 - 10:02 AM (#4112861)
Subject: RE: Armchair Archaeologist (via Google Earth)
From: Donuel

The work had to include skimming the molton slag from atop the liquid iron. There are huge mounds of it that now resemble volcanic glass.
The place is now like a mountain park with plaques and tours of the master's house. We kind of avoid that mountainous area along with Fort Dettrich in Frederick that has the level 3 bio warfare labs. The evil in that area that would hatch out if the dead could talk is overwhelming.


10 Jul 21 - 12:07 PM (#4112869)
Subject: RE: Armchair Archaeologist (via Google Earth)
From: Stilly River Sage

This was a link from that article about "Faces of the dead" - A Maryland attic hid a priceless trove of Black history. Historians and activists saved it from auction.
Among the artifacts is an account of escape from enslavement that is among the oldest ever found


14 Jul 21 - 11:07 PM (#4113384)
Subject: RE: Armchair Archaeologist (via Google Earth)
From: Sandra in Sydney

Derbyshire cave house identified as ninth-century home to exiled king


15 Jul 21 - 11:39 AM (#4113430)
Subject: RE: Armchair Archaeologist (via Google Earth)
From: Stilly River Sage

Sandra, I pulled up that location on Google Earth. If you follow the link to the story about the church where Hardulph is buried, you see:      
This has to be one of the most important churches in the two counties if not in the whole of the UK because of its unique Saxon carvings – but more on that later. This church is dramatically sited on a limestone hill being cut-away by the quarry below and can be seen for many miles.

The second sentence is vague with its subjects - which is visible for miles - the church or the hill or the quarry? Google Earth confirms that there is a large and currently active quarry with various levels in view. It's almost wrapped on three sides by that excavation.

Your article says the project is looking at 170 sites - in England? The UK? That's a lot of caves. I've read about caves in China and Tibet (some of them very difficult to reach), in Italy and other parts of Europe. In the Middle East (full of Dead Sea scrolls). Interesting that I never really thought about caves getting much use in the UK (though I've always known about Fingal's Cave, of musical fame).


15 Jul 21 - 09:14 PM (#4113482)
Subject: RE: Armchair Archaeologist (via Google Earth)
From: Sandra in Sydney

stilly, I did wonder when I started reading the article if the conclusion (the King slept here!) was pseudoscience, but the final par showed it was a real excavation/archaeological project.

Another article with a link to the survey Anchor Church Caves: Anglo-Saxon Home and Oldest House in Britain? ... Archaeologists from Wessex Archaeology and Cultural Heritage Institute of the Royal Agricultural University (RAU) recently joined forces to survey of the Anchor Church Caves in the English county of Derbyshire, listed as a grade II building. The results of this new study have been published in the Proceedings of the UBSS (University of Bristol Spelaeological Society)

When I started reading this I also wondered if was wish-fulfillment - The Quest to Understand Haliphat’s Speaking Handshapes but Plato in the 5th century BC mentioned sign language used by "dumb" people.

Now when did I start this post? It's definitely time to get back to stuff I need to do, no more browsing on interesting (time wasting???) sites!

sandra


21 Jul 21 - 10:36 PM (#4114031)
Subject: RE: Armchair Archaeologist (via Google Earth)
From: Stilly River Sage

In the frugal last meal of a man 2,400 years ago, scientists see signs of human sacrifice
A study of the gut of a well-preserved body from a bog in Denmark has offered new details that researchers say hint at dark rituals.

I haven't read it all, but I wanted to pass it along before I lose track of the page.


21 Jul 21 - 11:08 PM (#4114032)
Subject: RE: Armchair Archaeologist (via Google Earth)
From: Sandra in Sydney

Who Were These Vikings Buried Sitting Upright?
What Comforting Items Did Vikings Have That Are Still the Height of Luxury Today
Norse Warrior Took Comfy Duvet (and a Beheaded Owl) to the Afterlife

Thanks for posting it, Stilly, I was so busy reading these articles & many other related articles yesterday that altho I saw an article about Tolland man, I didn't read it. I spent a lot of time down that rabbit hole.


28 Jul 21 - 06:46 AM (#4114600)
Subject: RE: Armchair Archaeologist (via Google Earth)
From: Sandra in Sydney

2,300-year-old solar observatory awarded Unesco world heritage status


Link fixed. ---mudelf


28 Jul 21 - 09:20 PM (#4114676)
Subject: RE: Armchair Archaeologist (via Google Earth)
From: Sandra in Sydney

oops, I don't always test links, but I tested this one!

Ancient Roman ship laden with wine jars discovered off Sicily


01 Aug 21 - 09:46 PM (#4115078)
Subject: RE: Armchair Archaeologist (via Google Earth)
From: Sandra in Sydney

Doggerland: Lost ‘Atlantis’ of the North Sea gives up its ancient secrets A virtual tour of the exhibition Doggerland: Lost World in the North Sea, which will be physically available to visit until 31 October, can be viewed on the Rijksmuseum van Oudheden’s YouTube channel

The guided tour is amazing - especially the graphic at the end showing the effect for the Netherlands of the projected 9 metre rise in sea level in 700-800 years!


02 Aug 21 - 02:27 AM (#4115093)
Subject: RE: Armchair Archaeologist (via Google Earth)
From: Rain Dog

Saw that link and video yesterday and found it very interesting. I also liked the prominence given to the 'amateurs' who report their finds. Makes you wonder what other artefacts are tucked away in various cupboards and drawers.


02 Aug 21 - 05:06 AM (#4115109)
Subject: RE: Armchair Archaeologist (via Google Earth)
From: Sandra in Sydney

the exhibition might bring them out, especially as the Museum values them & their finders.

Back in the 70s when I was wandering along a beach, I found a worn piece of glass & a not-so-worn ceramic piece so I thought I might have a look at them. They live on a plastic plate at the end of my bath along with other finds picked up over the decades, including several other bits of glass & ceramics & a little bit of pumice(?) I don't remember where or when I found them, apart from a piece of coral which was in a street planter near a shop that sold mixed bags of pretty shells! Some kid must have tossed it away as it wasn't pretty.

getting back to our topic - another Guardian story Fruit baskets from fourth century BC found in ruins of Thonis-Heracleion


21 Aug 21 - 10:42 PM (#4117438)
Subject: RE: Armchair Archaeologist (via Google Earth)
From: Sandra in Sydney

prehistoric cheese!


& from the same site - Egtved girl, & lots more


22 Aug 21 - 06:18 AM (#4117450)
Subject: RE: Armchair Archaeologist (via Google Earth)
From: Rain Dog

Thanks for the links Sandra.

You have to love archaeologists. From the article itself:

"may be the preserved remains of cheese making"

"the possible remains of a failed attempt of cheese making"

"preliminary guess is that it could be the failed result of cheese making"

And the headline to the article is:

"Burnt cheese casts light on 3,000 year-old family drama"

I watched the last two episodes of

Archaeology: A Secret History. Presented by Dr. Richard Miles.

It was originally broadcast in 2013 but i missed it then.

Archaeology: A Secret History


08 Sep 21 - 12:59 PM (#4119215)
Subject: RE: Armchair Archaeologist (via Google Earth)
From: Stilly River Sage

The nomad guide who decodes the Sahara's secrets

By the 16th Century, more people – 100,000 – lived in Timbuktu than lived in London


08 Sep 21 - 01:41 PM (#4119225)
Subject: RE: Armchair Archaeologist (via Google Earth)
From: Stilly River Sage

Mysterious Stone Balls Found in Deteriorating Scottish Tomb
Dating back some 5,500 years, the polished stone balls could’ve been used as weapons.

Archaeologists working in the Orkney Islands of Scotland have uncovered two polished stone balls dating back to the Neolithic.

The stone balls were found inside the Tresness stalled cairn, an early Neolithic tomb located on Sanday, one of dozens of islands in Scotland’s Orkney archipelago. It’s a significant discovery, as only a small handful of these prehistoric balls have ever been found in a burial context.

“A cracking find from the tomb!,” tweeted team co-leader Hugo Anderson-Whymark, an archaeologist with National Museums Scotland (NMS), on August 18 after his team found the first of the two balls. “Only 20 or so Neolithic polished stone balls have been found in Orkney and few have been recovered from secure contexts,” he added.


08 Sep 21 - 02:18 PM (#4119230)
Subject: RE: Armchair Archaeologist (via Google Earth)
From: Stilly River Sage

Lots of these stories are turning up today.

Trove of 239 Rare Gold Coins Discovered in Walls of French Mansion
Renovators discovered a hidden box and pouch stuffed with rare gold coins, minted during the reigns of French Kings Louis XIII and Louis XIV

Beginning in 2016, all treasures discovered in France automatically became property of the state. However, since the mansion owners purchased the property in 2012, they have the rights to sell their finds, reports France 3. Per French law, the proceeds from the sale will be split in half, with half going to the married couple who owns the property and half to be split evenly among the three discoverers.


08 Sep 21 - 06:25 PM (#4119249)
Subject: RE: Armchair Archaeologist (via Google Earth)
From: Donuel

Australian 'cave ' paintings here compared to elsewhere further down


08 Sep 21 - 10:46 PM (#4119262)
Subject: RE: Armchair Archaeologist (via Google Earth)
From: Sandra in Sydney

links I sent to a friend recently. For a few years she has spent holidays participating in excavations overseas & had been looking forward to a trip to Greece last year, & no doubt would have found one this year too!

https://dustyoldthing.com/first-pregnant-egyptian-mummy/

https://dustyoldthing.com/5th-century-bohemian-graves/

https://dustyoldthing.com/spanish-stonehenge-uncovered/

https://dustyoldthing.com/processional-chariot-pompeii/

https://www.theguardian.com/science/2021/aug/05/australian-mathematician-discovers-applied-geometry-engraved-on-3700-year-old-tablet

UC discovers princely tombs near 'Griffin Warrior' Startling find adds to amazing story of powerful Greek figure

New evidence of a Roman road in the Venice Lagoon

Human remains in tomb are best-preserved ever found in Pompeii



Fixed the Guardian/mathematician link. ---mudelf


09 Sep 21 - 01:55 AM (#4119265)
Subject: RE: Armchair Archaeologist (via Google Earth)
From: Sandra in Sydney

oops, a little typo?

many thankyous


14 Sep 21 - 11:56 PM (#4119986)
Subject: RE: Armchair Archaeologist (via Google Earth)
From: Stilly River Sage

Trying again (too many windows open before):

Piles of animal dung reveal the location of an ancient Arabian oasis is a for-profit site that aggregates science articles. So I went looking and found this, with more information, but still not the whole story.

Abstract
Aim
Dryland ecosystems, such as those in southern Arabia, are particularly vulnerable to climate and land-use change. Aridification and human subsistence changes at the end of the Holocene Humid Period at 6–4 ka have been used as an iconic example for evaluating such impacts to resilience of arid systems. Although records of ancient environments can provide critical insight into the biotic and abiotic mechanisms that alter ecosystems, traditional archives, such as lake deposits, are not common in southern Arabia after 6 ka; thus, we must use alternative archives.

Location
Yemen.

Taxon
Plants; Rock Hyrax (Procavia capensis).

Methods
We use fossil pollen and stable isotopes (d15N; d13C) of rock hyrax (P. capensis) middens from Wadi Sana, Yemen, to look at changes in ecosystem structure and function across this key transition from 6 ka to the present. A total of 17 middens were radiocarbon-dated and stable isotopes were measured. Of these, pollen was extracted from hyraceum of 14 middens and identified using a light microscope. Fossil pollen assemblages were then compared to existing modern pollen samples from throughout Arabia.

Results
During the mid-Holocene from at least 6 to 4.7 ka, the pollen flora reflects a landscape with abundant tropical trees. These included foundational woody taxa, such as Terminalia and Boswellia sacra (frankincense), which had a strong positive influence on local hydrology and the economy, respectively. Increased charcoal abundances also suggest that wildfire occurred periodically.

Main conclusions
Connections with archaeological evidence suggest a strong link between human management and the presence of Terminalia woodland during the mid-Holocene. These may have promoted increased groundwater storage and ponding as regional rainfall was decreasing. The mid-Holocene expansion of Boswellia sacra (frankincense) may have helped support resin trade that became a critical export from the region. Fires were more common than today, suggesting semi-arid but continuous vegetation cover across what is now bare ground. Finally, after 1 ka, increased sedge abundances at the expense of grasses and trees suggest the development of desert conditions.


It turns out this may be a very old story, because another link I found is this: https://www.researchgate.net/publication/281474114_Early_Arabian_Pastoralism_at_Manayzah_in_Wadi_Sana_Hadramawt

I've accidentally deleted this page once, so I'll submit this message and sort it out later. What I find interesting is the archaeological information found in the middens of small desert animals. The same is true of packrat middens in the US desert southwest.


16 Sep 21 - 08:50 PM (#4120159)
Subject: RE: Armchair Archaeologist (via Google Earth)
From: Sandra in Sydney

Scientists find evidence of humans making clothes 120,000 years ago

Study by Yale University Experts Proves Vinland Map is a Hoax

The Posthumous Disgrace of the Dark Master of Archaeological Hoaxes


17 Sep 21 - 10:56 AM (#4120193)
Subject: RE: Armchair Archaeologist (via Google Earth)
From: Stilly River Sage

Good articles, Sandra!


17 Sep 21 - 11:19 AM (#4120196)
Subject: RE: Armchair Archaeologist (via Google Earth)
From: Sandra in Sydney

lots of good info around, including in my stash of archaeology magazines. Since lockdowns started last year I've been grabbing magazines when I see them as supplies of any overseas magazines are erratic, when is why I had a stash of 6 unopened magazines! I only have 4 now. Some folk might spend their money on alcohol or shoes, I spend mine on magazines!

When lockdown ends & "unessential" businesses re-open I'll take all my read magazines (at least a dozen) to a charity shop where a retired volunteer used to go on digs (BC, of course, everything is BC in the world now) & eagerly devours them before putting them out for sale.

I also have friend who used to go on digs & is sorely missing them. She was due to go back to Greece last year ...


24 Sep 21 - 06:07 AM (#4120799)
Subject: RE: Armchair Archaeologist (via Google Earth)
From: Sandra in Sydney

and now for something a little bit different - Dinosaur fossil with ‘totally weird’ spikes in skeleton stuns experts


24 Sep 21 - 10:08 AM (#4120819)
Subject: RE: Armchair Archaeologist (via Google Earth)
From: Stilly River Sage

I found a link to this wonderful story (sorry, it's music in the BS section) down at the bottom of the page with Sandra's story: ‘We’re like Mork and Mindy!’ Robert Plant and Alison Krauss, music’s odd couple. :) This makes me happy!


24 Sep 21 - 07:41 PM (#4120870)
Subject: RE: Armchair Archaeologist (via Google Earth)
From: Stilly River Sage

Here's a worm you won't want to meet in your travels. (One reason why armchair travel is a safer option.)

"The man was plagued by an unknown species related to the Guinea worm, one that may have recently jumped from reptiles to humans."


26 Sep 21 - 06:36 AM (#4120991)
Subject: RE: Armchair Archaeologist (via Google Earth)
From: Sandra in Sydney

Ancient footprints could be oldest traces of humans in the Americas White Sands National Park, in southern New Mexico, is known for chalk-coloured dunes that stretch for hundreds of square kilometres. But at the height of the last Ice Age, the region was wetter and grassier. Mammoths, giant sloths and other animals walked the muddy shores of shallow lakes that grew and shrank with the seasons. And they had company.

In a landmark study published on 23 September in Science1, researchers suggest that human footprints from an ancient lakeshore in the park date to between 21,000 and 23,000 years old. If the dating is accurate — which specialists say is likely — the prints represent the earliest unequivocal evidence of human occupation anywhere in the Americas. (read on)


28 Sep 21 - 04:52 AM (#4121161)
Subject: RE: Armchair Archaeologist (via Google Earth)
From: Sandra in Sydney

Gibraltar cave chamber discovery could shed light on Neanderthals’ culture Researchers find space in Gorham’s Cave complex that has been closed off for at least 40,000 years.
Researchers excavating a cave network on the Rock of Gibraltar have discovered a new chamber, sealed off from the world for at least 40,000 years, that could shed light on the culture and customs of the Neanderthals who occupied the area for a thousand centuries. (read on)


11 Oct 21 - 12:04 PM (#4122619)
Subject: RE: Armchair Archaeologist (via Google Earth)
From: Stilly River Sage

Marble of ancient Greek statue traced to its likely origin

One of the great statues of antiquity has been connected to its likely birthplace by analysis of its marble.

The Colossus of the Naxians on the Greek island of Delos once stood about 9 metres tall, but is now in pieces. One is at the British Museum in London, while the rest are in Greece. The statue’s name refers to the island of Naxos, which has been a major source of marble since the Greek archaic era from 800 BC to 480 BC – but it isn’t from either of two known quarries of that period.

Instead, the marble has the chemical signature of a deposit in another part of the island, found by Scott Pike at Willamette University in Oregon. He will present his results at a meeting of the Geological Society of America on 11 October.


12 Oct 21 - 10:05 AM (#4122682)
Subject: RE: Armchair Archaeologist (via Google Earth)
From: Sandra in Sydney

Medieval Remains of ‘Noble Girl’ Discovered Under Real Alcázar in Spain Archaeologists have unearthed the skeleton of a 5-year-old, blonde-haired girl, buried in the late 13th or early 14th century beneath a chapel floor in the Real Alcázar in the Virgen de la Antigua in Seville, Spain. On analysis of this Alcázar burial , they believe her coffin was moved to an even more sacred spot beside the main altar in the 1930s. This discovery hints at the possible existence of a hidden crypt full of treasure-laden royal burials. (read on)

Closer to home - a very famous mystery The Tamam Shud Enigma: Australian Cold Case with Ancient Persian Connection Re-opens. On December 1, 1948, authorities were called to Somerton beach in Adelaide, South Australia. A dead body had been found. Little did police realize they were about to encounter what is now considered one of Australia’s most profound mysteries, with connections to the ancient world.
They found his cold body on the sand, slumped at the base of a seawall. He was a middle-aged man in top physical condition, smartly dressed in a suit and tie, his sophisticated black shoes polished. Despite the hot weather, he wore a knit pullover and suit-jacket. His corpse revealed no obvious cause of death. Nobody knew who he was, or where he had come from. After collecting the body, police examined his possessions and clothes for a hint of who he was, but the tags and labels had been carefully removed, leaving no trail. (read on)


12 Oct 21 - 11:17 AM (#4122691)
Subject: RE: Armchair Archaeologist (via Google Earth)
From: Donuel

Thank you Sandra, Origins.com in its entirety has become one of my virtual time machine guilty pleasures.


12 Oct 21 - 08:06 PM (#4122724)
Subject: RE: Armchair Archaeologist (via Google Earth)
From: Sandra in Sydney

I enjoy reading it, it's a gi-normous rabbit hole ...

If I believed in New Years' Day resolutions (as we all know every day is new year's day) I'd make one to delete bookmarks for my rabbit hole sites - I have soooo much I need to do!

delete bookmarks??? shudder, my tummy feels sick at the thought ...

sandra (off to Jigsaw Explorer which is not a time waster as it only gives me 2 new jigsaws each day, well, it does have archives aka More Puzzles)


12 Oct 21 - 11:04 PM (#4122732)
Subject: RE: Armchair Archaeologist (via Google Earth)
From: Stilly River Sage

I'm headed to the local thrift store that carries used jigsaw puzzles. I'm finding them a fascinating way to take a close look at various interesting sites and objects. Woe to me if I get hooked on online puzzles.


12 Oct 21 - 11:13 PM (#4122736)
Subject: RE: Armchair Archaeologist (via Google Earth)
From: Donuel

healthy addictions in a word are 'fun'.


13 Oct 21 - 08:18 AM (#4122764)
Subject: RE: Armchair Archaeologist (via Google Earth)
From: Sandra in Sydney

Stilly, I had a large (3 or 4 shelves) collection of old jigsaws, puzzles I'd bought in the 70s + used jigsaws I'd bought in recent years, all gone except for 2 (1942 Gen Macarthur Battle of Midway & 1952 Qoronation) I bought & 2 that belonged to my grandmother, cos I only have one table & online jigsaws are sooo much easier.

Tell yourself you have a house & have no need for on-line jigsaws, besides buying from the thrift shop is for a good cause. Mine all want to charity shops, amany came from charity shops.

sandra (supporting the circular economy)


15 Oct 21 - 11:26 AM (#4123022)
Subject: RE: Armchair Archaeologist (via Google Earth)
From: Stilly River Sage

I have a box ready to ship to Mudcatters Jen and Art in New Mexico, it's one in a series they have collected. Good! I donated two others back to the shop. I have a space that I created during the 2020 COVID-19 shutdown when I rearranged two rooms in the house. Now the one that people first walk into is light and airy, my triple window full of plants looks lush and inviting, and my table is set up for puzzles, even rather large puzzles. (Fully extended I think this table can seat 12).

It does seem to offer a form of armchair travel (though I usually stand, not sit, for a few minutes at a time to work on this, then go back to whatever took me past the room to begin with.) The one I've shipped represents Paris during the time of an Exposition. Now I'm working on one from NY City, and the one I set aside for a time I am told by a couple of friends is the famous Split Rock Lighthouse on Lake Superior in Minnesota. (Identified by actual traveller Joe Offer.)


15 Oct 21 - 08:06 PM (#4123090)
Subject: RE: Armchair Archaeologist (via Google Earth)
From: Sandra in Sydney

a jigsaw room! with a view!

My 4 windows are full of plants, the north facing bedroom window has a sheer curtain & thin bright yellow curtains so looks lovely when the sun hits for a few hours in the morning. My other 3 windows just look across the courtyard to the neighbours, but the plants & blue wren decals give me a pretty view from my living room thru the sheet curtain, which is bordered with heavier curtains of green & brown ferns.

sandra


15 Oct 21 - 08:08 PM (#4123092)
Subject: RE: Armchair Archaeologist (via Google Earth)
From: Sandra in Sydney

oops, I opened this thread to post this -
Skeleton buried in Vesuvius eruption found at Herculaneum Archaeologists find remains of fugitive during first dig at site near Pompeii in almost three decades


18 Oct 21 - 10:07 PM (#4123458)
Subject: RE: Armchair Archaeologist (via Google Earth)
From: Sandra in Sydney

Sharp-eyed diver finds crusader’s ancient sword on Israeli seabed Metre-long relic, encrusted with marine organisms, is believed to be about 900 years old


19 Oct 21 - 05:02 AM (#4123474)
Subject: RE: Armchair Archaeologist (via Google Earth)
From: Sandra in Sydney

more about the crusader sword


19 Oct 21 - 06:45 AM (#4123479)
Subject: RE: Armchair Archaeologist (via Google Earth)
From: Steve Shaw

I've been to Herculaneum twice. It's a lot more compact than Pompei and you can see the best of it in just a few hours. It's stunning. Unlike at Pompei, a lot of the buildings' roofs didn't collapse in the eruption, so many of the interiors are really well-preserved. The most poignant sight is the skeletons stranded in open-fronted buildings that were once on the sea shore (sea levels have changed significantly, so what was the shoreline is now well back on dry land). There's still plenty of excavating to do there.

See Pompei and Herculaneum before you die if you can. The best way to arrive at both is on the ultra-cheap Circumvesuviana railway that runs from Sorrento to Naples. When you get off at Ercolano Scavi station you do have to walk up the hill through the rather rough little town but it looks scarier than it is (you are in the vicinity of Naples, don't forget!). Pompei is easier. Vesuvius looms menacingly over both towns, though it lost a lot of its height in the eruption.

Give me a week to go wherever I like on the planet and there's nowhere I'd rather be...


19 Oct 21 - 07:00 AM (#4123480)
Subject: RE: Armchair Archaeologist (via Google Earth)
From: Sandra in Sydney

I hope you get back to travelling to interesting places sometime soon.

I do my archaeological travel via magazines & websites, I have too many sore bits to do "real" travelling (poor me!) I give my old magazines to a charity shop where they are first read by a volunteer who used to volunteer on excavations in his earlier years.

sandra


19 Oct 21 - 10:26 AM (#4123491)
Subject: RE: Armchair Archaeologist (via Google Earth)
From: Stilly River Sage

My daughter returned from Italy about 10 days before the new immunization mandates went into effect - I imagine those who haven't gone to work now because of no vaccination have slowed things throughout the workforce. Good timing for the tourist to have finished the trip before now.

Right now I'm working a puzzle to do with Times Square in NYC. Jigsaw puzzle travel, a subset of armchair travel. :)


19 Oct 21 - 04:41 PM (#4123539)
Subject: RE: Armchair Archaeologist (via Google Earth)
From: Donuel

My tow truck driver used google earth to find my car today.


19 Oct 21 - 04:45 PM (#4123541)
Subject: RE: Armchair Archaeologist (via Google Earth)
From: Donuel

Someday there may be a Google LIDAR Earth for Armchair Archaeologists.


20 Oct 21 - 07:05 PM (#4123651)
Subject: RE: Armchair Archaeologist (via Google Earth)
From: Sandra in Sydney

Solar storm confirms Vikings settled in North America exactly 1,000 years ago

I tried to post these 3 references yesterday but had a connection problem
Unfreezing the ice age: the truth about humanity’s deep past
For more than a century, this sacred treasure was hidden in a New Zealand swamp from the podcast series Stuff the British stole