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Songs about Owen Glendower

09 May 18 - 09:45 AM (#3923124)
Subject: Songs about Owen Glendower
From: Jack Campin

It would be topical right now to sing about Owen Glendower.

What songs are there, in either Welsh or English?


09 May 18 - 11:28 AM (#3923139)
Subject: RE: Songs about Owen Glendower
From: Stilly River Sage

Had to look him up.

Why is it topical? The upcoming royal wedding, or something less apparent to the rest of the world? (Asking from across the pond.)


09 May 18 - 11:55 AM (#3923147)
Subject: RE: Songs about Owen Glendower
From: Jack Campin

They're naming a bridge between England and Wales after Prince Charles. Welsh activists are saying it should be named after Owen Glendower instead. There is one (rather daft) Welsh song about Prince Charles already written for the occasion, but one about Owen might be more durable. (If we in Scotland can have songs about Wallace and Bruce that the whole world knows about, how come the Welsh don't have an equivalent?)


09 May 18 - 12:07 PM (#3923150)
Subject: RE: Songs about Owen Glendower
From: punkfolkrocker

"What songs are there, in either Welsh or English?...

Maybe, not that many as the only thing I can think Owen Glendower rhymes with is "bow down 'n' bend o'er"...
which is not a very heroic mental image...

But possibly historically accurate, at least from a particularly English perspective of defeating his revolt...


09 May 18 - 12:16 PM (#3923153)
Subject: RE: Songs about Owen Glendower
From: Jack Campin

Rhymes with "endure" if you pronounce it as in Welsh.


09 May 18 - 12:22 PM (#3923155)
Subject: RE: Songs about Owen Glendower
From: punkfolkrocker

..that's more positive.. my mrs will definitely prefer an 'endure' version...


09 May 18 - 06:46 PM (#3923262)
Subject: RE: Songs about Owen Glendower
From: Allan Conn

Nick Allmark, originally from the Shropshire area, has become a bit of a regular at the Kelso club. His song "Marching With Glyndwr" can be downloaded for free here

https://nickallmark.weebly.com/cds-and-downloads.html


09 May 18 - 09:58 PM (#3923289)
Subject: RE: Songs about Owen Glendower
From: leeneia

Naming a bridge after Prince Charles, eh? From what I can tell, Charles alternates between being a nonentity and being despised. Whose idea was this?


10 May 18 - 01:57 AM (#3923303)
Subject: RE: Songs about Owen Glendower
From: Allan Conn

Wouldn't the Tom Jones Bridge please both parties??


10 May 18 - 02:10 AM (#3923304)
Subject: RE: Songs about Owen Glendower
From: GUEST,Observer

No jokes allowed now Joe?


10 May 18 - 04:50 AM (#3923347)
Subject: RE: Songs about Owen Glendower
From: GUEST

On a pedantic note the proposal is to rename it the Prince of Wales Bridge not the Prince Charles Bridge.

Pick your prince, Brian, Glyndwr or any Prince of Wales in between.


11 May 18 - 07:07 PM (#3923758)
Subject: RE: Songs about Owen Glendower
From: sian, west wales

It is often said that "Marw yr Ehedydd" (The Skylark's Elegy) refers indirectly to OWAIN GLYNDWR - Owen Glendower being Shakespeare's anglicization of the name. It was collected by Soley Thomas early in the last century (or perhaps late in the previous one)around Llanidloes, but only the one verse.


Mi a glywais fod yr 'hedydd
Wedi marw ar y mynydd.
Pe gwyddwn i mai gwir y geirie
Awn a gyrr o wy^r ac arfe
I gyrchu corff yr 'hedydd adre.

I heard that the skylark
Has died upon the mountain.
If I knew these words to be true
A would take a host of men at arms
To carry the body of the skylark home.

Other verses (as per link, above) were written later but don't perpetuate the story.

I think there are probably some new pieces from the '70s, perhaps by Plethyn, Ar Log, Ac Eraill and ilk. If I can think of any others, I'll be back ...

sian


11 May 18 - 07:35 PM (#3923766)
Subject: RE: Songs about Owen Glendower
From: sian, west wales

Yeh, Plethyn has some, which isn't surprising as they come from the area near Sycharth, Glyndwr's court.

Breuddwyd Glyndwr (Glyndwr's Dream)

Hyddgen - site of a battle 1401

And there are shed-loads of poems.

sian


12 May 18 - 06:39 AM (#3923841)
Subject: RE: Songs about Owen Glendower
From: Georgiansilver

Owain Glyndwr