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10 May 18 - 03:59 PM (#3923490) Subject: BS: Jacob Rees-Mogg From: Tunesmith There is talk that British politician Jacob Rees-Mogg could become the next Prime Minister, but some would say that he would have a mountain to climb to get there because of his strict - some would say -views on abortion and gay marriage. Youtube have a number of videos where fellow politicians say that his views are old fashioned, and out of touch with current thinking. But,of course, they are not HIS views, they are God's views...if you are believer in The Bible and it's teachings. Now, the UK has a State religion and The Queen is the head of it, so you would have thought that is cases like abortion and gay marriages, the Church would be the arbiters of what is morally correct. It seems to me that UK politicians like the idea of religion but are quite happy to disregard its teachings if it suits them. |
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10 May 18 - 04:44 PM (#3923491) Subject: RE: BS: Jacob Rees-Mogg From: Iains Personal views are not always government views. Belief or lack of belief in a deity is not required of a politician unless inflicted on an unwilling electorate. Rees Mogg certainly has the required debating skills, on a par with the former Mekon Hague. He wouldprobably make a fine PM unlike Boris kerfuffle Johnson. |
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11 May 18 - 02:03 AM (#3923500) Subject: RE: BS: Jacob Rees-Mogg From: Backwoodsman I find the concept of 'A fine PM', and a man who regards the necessity for food-banks as 'Wonderful', utterly irreconcilable. |
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11 May 18 - 02:38 AM (#3923503) Subject: RE: BS: Jacob Rees-Mogg From: Bonzo3legs I'm sure that Jacob Rees-Mogg also finds a necessity for Grammar Schools - as do I of course. |
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11 May 18 - 02:44 AM (#3923504) Subject: RE: BS: Jacob Rees-Mogg From: Tunesmith Iains, you missed my point! Rees-Moog is expressing THE BIBLE's point of view, and the Government are overriding those views which is rather strange when, as I said before, the UK have a State religion which, surely, is based on the teachings of the Bible. The Government seem to want their cake and eat it. |
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11 May 18 - 03:41 AM (#3923510) Subject: RE: BS: Jacob Rees-Mogg From: BobL R-M is expressing the point of view of a subset of Bible-bashers, one not necessarily shared with other Christians. And Biblical writings, dating as they do from different times and circumstances, often express more than one point of view. |
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11 May 18 - 04:11 AM (#3923514) Subject: RE: BS: Jacob Rees-Mogg From: Mr Red David Cameroon was fine PM. He ran the referendum to a fine line. J R-M would be a fine PM that lost the vote of the electorate of this country. But we are living in interesting times and the swivel-eyed right engender a need for the looney left. Anything could happen. And probably will. Hold on to your seats folks, it will be a bumpy ride. To use his own expression J R-M is a good egg, a curate's egg. |
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11 May 18 - 04:29 AM (#3923520) Subject: RE: BS: Jacob Rees-Mogg From: Jim Carroll Have to say that if I was a believer, I would add a prayer to my missal that 'How Much is that Moggie' becomes Prime Minister' THereas May, Micheal Gve, Boris the Braindead and now a wonderful caricature of over-privileged idiocy There has to be a limit of how much can a nation taker of incompetence and corruption Bring 'im on, please, I say Jim Caarroll |
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11 May 18 - 04:31 AM (#3923521) Subject: RE: BS: Jacob Rees-Mogg From: Tunesmith David Cameron was a disaster! And, as to Rees-Moog's Christian view belonging a sub-set, well, his views ARE the Catholic Church's views, and that's a heck of a Christian sub-set. |
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11 May 18 - 04:54 AM (#3923527) Subject: RE: BS: Jacob Rees-Mogg From: Keith A of Hertford Should people of faith be excluded from politics? |
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11 May 18 - 05:01 AM (#3923528) Subject: RE: BS: Jacob Rees-Mogg From: Iains No matter what a political leader thinks or believes, the party in power dictates the agenda. How many manifestos are adhered to? Is this deliberately lying to the electorate, or the actuality of realpolitik? Trump in America and May over in the UK are both sabotaged by the Administrative. In the case of America it goes even further. After all Woodrow Wilson stated the following: “Since I entered politics, I have chiefly had men's views confided to me privately. Some of the biggest men in the United States, in the field of commerce and manufacture, are afraid of something. They know that there is a power somewhere so organized, so subtle, so watchful, so interlocked, so complete, so pervasive, that they better not speak above their breath when they speak in condemnation of it.” Many past Presidents have passed similar comments! Deep State is regarded as a myth or fairy tale by many. I wonder what they base their certainty on? The way international politics plays out is at odds with the stated aims most of the time. Would this be a case of Sod's Law or hidden choreographers? Today there would seem to be an unfettered fourth arm of government. In the US it is the multiple entities of the Intelligence Services. |
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11 May 18 - 05:06 AM (#3923530) Subject: RE: BS: Jacob Rees-Mogg From: Jim Carroll "Should people of faith be excluded from politics?" No - but their views should never become part of Government policy Politics and religion are one of the most toxic combinations imaginable Jim Carroll |
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11 May 18 - 05:18 AM (#3923533) Subject: RE: BS: Jacob Rees-Mogg From: Keith A of Hertford "Should people of faith be excluded from politics?" No - but their views should never become part of Government policy Why not? |
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11 May 18 - 05:25 AM (#3923539) Subject: RE: BS: Jacob Rees-Mogg From: Jim Carroll One more time and that's my lot with you Because mritian is a multicultural and multi and non-faith State To base policeies on the supernatural beliefs of a leader is both divisive and extremely dangerius You want a state like Israel and Iran ? Religion should be personal and private otherwise you end up with Caliphates and clerically raped children - both consequences of religion and politics End of Jim Carroll |
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11 May 18 - 05:27 AM (#3923541) Subject: RE: BS: Jacob Rees-Mogg From: Dave the Gnome Jim, don't! You will only regret it later :-( |
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11 May 18 - 05:35 AM (#3923543) Subject: RE: BS: Jacob Rees-Mogg From: Raggytash I wonder Jim if the people of Britain would accept a radical Muslim as their leader, I somehow think that some would blanche at the prospect. |
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11 May 18 - 05:35 AM (#3923544) Subject: RE: BS: Jacob Rees-Mogg From: Iains I see no caliphates in Rome! |
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11 May 18 - 05:55 AM (#3923548) Subject: RE: BS: Jacob Rees-Mogg From: Keith A of Hertford We have a Muslim Mayor of London and many Muslim politicians. No-one objects. Jim, are the views of people of faith worth less than those of anyone else? |
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11 May 18 - 06:05 AM (#3923549) Subject: RE: BS: Jacob Rees-Mogg From: Raggytash Hoops Jim, hoops. |
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11 May 18 - 06:14 AM (#3923553) Subject: RE: BS: Jacob Rees-Mogg From: Backwoodsman DFTT. |
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11 May 18 - 06:14 AM (#3923554) Subject: RE: BS: Jacob Rees-Mogg From: Keith A of Hertford Rag, I wonder Jim if the people of Britain would accept a radical Muslim as their leader, I somehow think that some would blanche at the prospect. We are a democracy. why would we vote for someone we would not accept? Hoops Jim, hoops What hoops? |
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11 May 18 - 06:31 AM (#3923558) Subject: RE: BS: Jacob Rees-Mogg From: Backwoodsman Please God, make it stop... |
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11 May 18 - 06:34 AM (#3923561) Subject: RE: BS: Jacob Rees-Mogg From: Jim Carroll Finished with the idiot lads and have made my point about religion Will you stop worrying mam - your little boy's all right The eejit is digging his own grave anyway Thanks for caring Jim |
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11 May 18 - 07:34 AM (#3923573) Subject: RE: BS: Jacob Rees-Mogg From: Jim Carroll "I see no caliphates in Rome! Iains No - but I see a Catholic hierarchy which whisch facilitated and covered up for the rape of children throughout the twentieth cetury and which is now attempting to influence by way of spiritual blackmail one of the most important decisions ever taken by the Irish people Because of the Clerical abuse revelations and their opposition to same-sex marriage, religion is gradually bening written out of decision making in Ireland Later this year it will lose the right to demand baptismal rights in the 90 plus% of Irish schools it controls Religion is a dying malignant force - not before time, and you want a bible-bashing fundamentalist caricature for a prime minister!!! For the hope of the present generation, I hope you fall at this particular fence, but in the long term, maybe it's not a bad idea Perhaps then, Britain can start to clean out its political Augian Stable of the dross that has accumulated over the centuries Religion is dead - it's bad luck to bring a corpse into the house Jim Caarroll |
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11 May 18 - 07:41 AM (#3923576) Subject: RE: BS: Jacob Rees-Mogg From: Keith A of Hertford religion is gradually bening written out of decision making in Ireland Was it ever written in? I thought you had a democracy. |
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11 May 18 - 08:01 AM (#3923579) Subject: RE: BS: Jacob Rees-Mogg From: Raggytash There you go Jim, a classic example of utter ignorance of the Irish political system. You'd be far better off just ignoring it. |
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11 May 18 - 08:18 AM (#3923582) Subject: RE: BS: Jacob Rees-Mogg From: Jim Carroll Totally ignored Rag If anybody wanted a classic example of the toxic mix of politics and relighio - nip on the boat from Stranrear to Larne in two months time, but don't forget the flak-jacket and steel helmet. Jim |
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11 May 18 - 09:11 AM (#3923598) Subject: RE: BS: Jacob Rees-Mogg From: Dave the Gnome Rees-Mogg is an anachronism that does not belong in the 21st century. Pretty much like most religious zealots I suppose. I have no issue at all with people in authority, or anyone else for that matter, having religious beliefs as long as they don't try to foist those beliefs onto anyone else. The trouble is that people like Rees-Mogg would abuse that authority to ensure that their medieval attitudes are applied to the population in general. Having him in power would be very dangerous. |
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11 May 18 - 09:47 AM (#3923611) Subject: RE: BS: Jacob Rees-Mogg From: Keith A of Hertford That is just your opinion Dave, and it sounds like prejudice. It is not held by all those who vote for him giving him his comfortable majority. Rag, I am sure I am not the only one who believed Ireland was a democracy without religion written in to decision making. Why not explain it to everyone. |
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11 May 18 - 10:35 AM (#3923633) Subject: RE: BS: Jacob Rees-Mogg From: punkfolkrocker His constituents would vote for a decomposing dead cat as long as it's body was covered in blue flies... South West England, the land time forgot...!!! |
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11 May 18 - 11:04 AM (#3923646) Subject: RE: BS: Jacob Rees-Mogg From: Keith A of Hertford So like people of faith, people from the SW of England should also be excluded. |
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11 May 18 - 11:11 AM (#3923649) Subject: RE: BS: Jacob Rees-Mogg From: punkfolkrocker It's like feeding data into an artificial unintelligence machine and seeing what random garbled nonsense sentences and conclusions it churns out...!!! We can have far more stimulating conversations with "Alexa".. |
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11 May 18 - 11:28 AM (#3923654) Subject: RE: BS: Jacob Rees-Mogg From: Jim Carroll Hoops again -m more likely Black Holes Don't get sucked in Jim Carroll |
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11 May 18 - 12:12 PM (#3923671) Subject: RE: BS: Jacob Rees-Mogg From: Backwoodsman Although I detest Jacob ("Call me Jake"?) Rich-Mong's supercilious, pompous, toffee-nosed persona, I do wonder to what degree his utterances are influenced by his desire to get himself noticed, and to position himself for a leadership-bid should the opportunity arise? I find it difficult to believe that any decent, civilised human being, let alone one who wears his Christian beliefs like a badge, would genuinely hold some of the opinions attributed to him - 'wonderful' food-banks being one. |
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11 May 18 - 12:23 PM (#3923675) Subject: RE: BS: Jacob Rees-Mogg From: punkfolkrocker I think he is also positioning himself as a 'character' for lucrative TV light entertainment appearances when his political career is over...??? [sooner rather than later...] ..and it's not like he really needs the TV cash.. just the spotlight of attention... |
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11 May 18 - 12:31 PM (#3923678) Subject: RE: BS: Jacob Rees-Mogg From: Backwoodsman Yes, that too PFR. Making a fast buck is in the blood of people like him. |
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11 May 18 - 12:35 PM (#3923681) Subject: RE: BS: Jacob Rees-Mogg From: Keith A of Hertford What he really said, The voluntary support given to food banks is "rather uplifting" and "shows what a compassionate country we are." Churches were and largely remain the mainstay of foodbanks. |
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11 May 18 - 12:52 PM (#3923684) Subject: RE: BS: Jacob Rees-Mogg From: punkfolkrocker Tories always prefer church charities and volunteers to a properly funded humane public sector welfare state... It's disgraceful in the 21st Century... |
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11 May 18 - 01:10 PM (#3923693) Subject: RE: BS: Jacob Rees-Mogg From: Jim Carroll YOU CANNOT BE SERIOUS !!! Nice quote "The press takes him literally, but not seriously; his supporters take him seriously, but not literally." Jim Carroll |
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11 May 18 - 04:49 PM (#3923744) Subject: RE: BS: Jacob Rees-Mogg From: Raggytash Jim, that is spot on !! |
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11 May 18 - 05:53 PM (#3923748) Subject: RE: BS: Jacob Rees-Mogg From: McGrath of Harlow The DUP wouldn’t, really be too keen on a Papist PM. I could see them demanding another £1billion sweetener before agreeing to get on board |
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11 May 18 - 07:28 PM (#3923764) Subject: RE: BS: Jacob Rees-Mogg From: Jim Carroll "The DUP wouldn’t, really be too keen on a Papist PM." Arlene Foster (DUP) has declated that she would emigrate rather than live in a United Ireland It seems we might have another PHILIP NOLAN on our hands (wonderful story BTW) Jim Carroll |
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12 May 18 - 04:07 AM (#3923815) Subject: RE: BS: Jacob Rees-Mogg From: Iains I think the highly esteemed Mr Rees-Mogg should take control and bring back the Spanish Inquisition as his little helpers. The rack is so much more efficient at reducing the opposition than waterboarding. |
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12 May 18 - 04:16 AM (#3923816) Subject: RE: BS: Jacob Rees-Mogg From: Dave the Gnome Not the comfy chair! |
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12 May 18 - 04:36 AM (#3923820) Subject: RE: BS: Jacob Rees-Mogg From: Jim Carroll "My bet is that there would be a lot of rhythmical shouting and probably to break the monotony" Might be a bit dodgy since Terry Mayfly has been forced to apologist for the torture of two Libyans (a pregnant woman and her husband) Gone are the balmy days when our betters were free to keep us in our place using whatever means they wish, as I'#m sure Moggie often reflects as he dons his nightcap and slides his po under the bed before he says his prayers Jim Carroll |
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12 May 18 - 06:51 AM (#3923845) Subject: RE: BS: Jacob Rees-Mogg From: Keith A of Hertford Tony Blair may not have been Catholic but his wife was and he attended Mass regularly. The DUP never had a problem with that. |
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12 May 18 - 06:57 AM (#3923846) Subject: RE: BS: Jacob Rees-Mogg From: David Carter (UK) I suspect that Rees Mogg is a Unionist before he is a Papist. The family background is CofE, they became Catholics when they married American Catholic money after their coal mines went bust. |
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12 May 18 - 07:18 AM (#3923851) Subject: RE: BS: Jacob Rees-Mogg From: Iains "Might be a bit dodgy since Terry Mayfly has been forced to apologist for the torture of two Libyans (a pregnant woman and her husband)" Now on the side of the angels! https://www.globalresearch.ca/rendition-to-torture-in-libya-complicity-of-u-k-government-half-a-million-pounds-of-taxpayers-mone http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-5716149/PETER-OBORNE-Former-foreign-secretary-Jack-Straw-men-shamed-UK.html |
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12 May 18 - 07:26 AM (#3923857) Subject: RE: BS: Jacob Rees-Mogg From: Jim Carroll Blair's and Straw's 'New Labour' were two sides of the same rotten coin - you couldn't squeeze a credit card between theirs and the Tories policies All thee=se crimes emanated from Regan's and the Bush's America - "we were only obeying orders your Lordship" This is why Corbyn's new broom has put the wild shites up the entire establishment - he's "not one of us" and he's threatening to let the side down Jim Carroll |
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12 May 18 - 08:11 AM (#3923862) Subject: RE: BS: Jacob Rees-Mogg From: punkfolkrocker Life on benefits suddenly became more authoritarian and difficult, and Teacher's workloads increased significantly, whilst working conditions also became more authoritarian, not long after Blair won.... |
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12 May 18 - 10:55 AM (#3923892) Subject: RE: BS: Jacob Rees-Mogg From: Jim Carroll Am I alone in taking satisfaction from the knowledge that Henry XIII would have had Moggie burned at the stake ? Fonny the things that come to you while you're cutting grass! Jim Carroll |
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12 May 18 - 02:57 PM (#3923960) Subject: RE: BS: Jacob Rees-Mogg From: McGrath of Harlow I take you mean Henry XIII, Duke of Bavaria in the 13th century. Quite a sensible bloke it appears. Pioneer of street lighting and weapon control: "During Duke Henry's reign, the Bavarian Peace Ordinances were put into place in his domains, stating, "Anyone out of doors at night without a lantern is violating the peace and is suspect of crime." The ordinances go on further for the city of Landshut that anyone carrying a sword or dagger by day or night was liable to heavy penalties." (From Wiki) |
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12 May 18 - 03:45 PM (#3923967) Subject: RE: BS: Jacob Rees-Mogg From: Kenny B (inactive) Burning at the Stake debateable |
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13 May 18 - 04:03 AM (#3924045) Subject: RE: BS: Jacob Rees-Mogg From: Jim Carroll "debateable" Are you asking which method should be used ? Standing him in an empty jr seems to be ok - we wouldn't have to cleean up his mess after him as we usually have to do with his collegues then Jim Carroll |
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13 May 18 - 05:20 AM (#3924061) Subject: RE: BS: Jacob Rees-Mogg From: Thompson Rees-Mogg seems to have actually landed from a time machine from the 1950s… and to want to make Britain like the Ireland of the 1930s. What a weirdo! Here's the Daily Mail mocking him rather hilariously. I say, steady on, old chaps. |
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13 May 18 - 05:21 AM (#3924062) Subject: RE: BS: Jacob Rees-Mogg From: Iains "This is why Corbyn's new broom has put the wild shites up the entire establishment" Must be a new broom without any bristles! The man is weak, ineffectual and incompetent and not even master of his own party. As an opposition leader he is a joke. If Major was labelled as the grey man, Corbyn, as an equivalent, would have to be labelled the invisible man. |
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13 May 18 - 06:08 AM (#3924064) Subject: RE: BS: Jacob Rees-Mogg From: Backwoodsman "Here's the Daily Mail mocking him rather hilariously. I say, steady on, old chaps." I had Lord Snooty more in mind than Walter the Softy. |
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17 May 18 - 11:40 AM (#3925230) Subject: RE: BS: Jacob Rees-Mogg From: Stilly River Sage http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-scotland-43642564 No idea what this is about, but the unusual name caught my eye as one I've seen drifting through the threads here at Mudcat. |
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18 May 18 - 02:23 PM (#3925546) Subject: RE: BS: Jacob Rees-Mogg From: robomatic Tunesmith: Have you read "THE BIBLE" And by "THE BIBLE" are you holding out one of its translations or are you hieing to a carefully examined example of the original parchments in their original language(s)? My rabbi argues that neither abortion nor homosexuality are prohibited in the original versions. I'm not sure if I agree with him about the second issue, but I agree with the first. Nowhere does it prohibit abortion and in fact it holds for the mother's right to life ahead of that of her potential unborn. Considering the phenomenon of spontaneous abortions, may it not be noted that God performs most abortions? Having written the above, even the Catholic church has given the Pope the power to interpret and/ or amend ancient texts. Since that power is possessed by an INDIVIDUAL, why can't a Democracy or a Republic determine that times NOW are not as times THEN and amend or alter concepts after due consideration? Why should a dictator get to make decisions denied to deliberative bodies? I am in no way saying this is a trivial matter. Quite the reverse, but I think it is one that society can and should address. |
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18 May 18 - 07:51 PM (#3925594) Subject: RE: BS: Jacob Rees-Mogg From: Jim Carroll "As an opposition leader he is a joke." Must be another reason why Maggie May's minions are now a minority Government who can only survive with £Billion bungs of the taxpayers money to a terrorist linked party which is teaching them to dance in jig-time to THIS !! OR THIS MAYBE ? Jim Carroll |
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19 May 18 - 03:00 PM (#3925747) Subject: RE: BS: Jacob Rees-Mogg From: Keith A of Hertford Rees-Mogg is on the Any Questions panel and speaks on Windrush, immigration and Brexit. His views may surprise you. https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b0b2mrxy |
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19 May 18 - 04:50 PM (#3925769) Subject: RE: BS: Jacob Rees-Mogg From: David Carter (UK) His views would not surprise me. What he would say on question time, well that wouldn't surprise me either, he is an utterly devious specimen, quite capable of playing to whatever gallery he found convenient at the time. A latter day Mosley, disguised as a buffoon. |