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02 Jul 18 - 03:10 PM (#3934836) Subject: BS: missing boys found From: Iains Some good news! All 12 boys and their football coach have been found alive after nine days missing in caves in Thailand. https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-44688909 |
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02 Jul 18 - 03:15 PM (#3934839) Subject: RE: BS: missing boys found From: keberoxu Their poor families ! What an ordeal for their loved ones. |
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02 Jul 18 - 03:32 PM (#3934845) Subject: RE: BS: missing boys found From: Kenny B (inactive) Great news after a long search |
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02 Jul 18 - 03:36 PM (#3934846) Subject: RE: BS: missing boys found From: fat B****rd Excellent !! Some positive news for a change. |
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02 Jul 18 - 03:48 PM (#3934849) Subject: RE: BS: missing boys found From: Bonzo3legs great news |
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02 Jul 18 - 05:18 PM (#3934861) Subject: RE: BS: missing boys found From: Charley Noble Some good news is acceptable! |
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02 Jul 18 - 11:26 PM (#3934894) Subject: RE: BS: missing boys found From: Stilly River Sage They will have to be patient and resourceful, the way out isn't easy, it's how the divers reached them, as I understand. |
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03 Jul 18 - 03:26 AM (#3934908) Subject: RE: BS: missing boys found in Thailand cave From: Jim Carroll Fantastic Jim Carroll |
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03 Jul 18 - 04:22 AM (#3934917) Subject: RE: BS: missing boys found in Thailand cave From: Keith A of Hertford What an ordeal for them. Ten days in total darkness with no food, and it may take months to get them out. |
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03 Jul 18 - 04:35 AM (#3934921) Subject: RE: BS: missing boys found in Thailand cave From: Senoufou It reminds me of those poor Chilean miners trapped underground. Do you suppose these boys and their teacher will be sent food via some divers? They can't survive much longer without sustenance. They looked so terribly thin in the video on TV last night. I did hear that they're trying to pump the water out of the cavern. But surely that's not going to be effective? |
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03 Jul 18 - 04:41 AM (#3934923) Subject: RE: BS: missing boys found in Thailand cave From: Keith A of Hertford They can get supplies in, but maybe not the boys out until after the monsoon season. |
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03 Jul 18 - 05:29 AM (#3934932) Subject: RE: BS: missing boys found in Thailand cave From: Iains Unless they get a lucky break with a weather window they may be trapped for up to 4 months. If they have to cave dive to escape they will have way more courage than me. Underwater helicopter escape simulations leave me white knuckled and shaking. Possibly heli lifting a rig in with compressors could be an option. Air drilling is fast in the right rock, but this could still take weeks. I hope they get to surface soon. |
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03 Jul 18 - 11:51 AM (#3935011) Subject: RE: BS: missing boys found in Thailand cave From: keberoxu What a predicament. It sounds like what happened up to this point is but the prelude to the real drama: is it possible for the victims to get out alive and in one piece. |
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03 Jul 18 - 12:13 PM (#3935016) Subject: RE: BS: missing boys found in Thailand cave From: Senoufou None of the boys can swim. The way out is tortuous and the water is murky. They're saying it would be far too dangerous for the lads to try and guide them out wearing diving kit. I can't imagine what their school was thinking of. Why take boys there in the first place? It's the start of the monsoon, and obviously no-one did a risk-assessment. Their poor families. |
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03 Jul 18 - 12:38 PM (#3935027) Subject: RE: BS: missing boys found in Thailand cave From: keberoxu And what was this about this occasion not being their first visit -- that they had been in these caves before? If that is the case, sounds like too much was taken for granted this time. |
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03 Jul 18 - 12:40 PM (#3935028) Subject: RE: BS: missing boys found in Thailand cave From: Jos It seems having them dive to get out would involve them swimming several miles underwater, so if they can't already swim that sounds impossible, but they are taking them food (small amounts at first as a large meal after ten days without would make them very ill) and they are planning to take them enough rations to last for four months. As long as the monsoon doesn't make the water rise higher they may survive. Keep pumping. |
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03 Jul 18 - 04:36 PM (#3935081) Subject: RE: BS: missing boys found in Thailand cave From: mg how did the thai seals get in? miles underwater? would there be one of those machines you hang onto and provides propulsion and be led one at a time by a team of seals.. |
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03 Jul 18 - 10:13 PM (#3935093) Subject: RE: BS: missing boys found in Thailand cave From: mg I wonder if there is a tranquilizer that would make them go limp and not panic and they could be towed by a strong swimmer. They are young and slender. |
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04 Jul 18 - 02:54 AM (#3935107) Subject: RE: BS: missing boys found in Thailand cave From: Jos Reported details keep changing. This morning the distance underwater was said to be about a kilometre rather than the several miles I heard earlier. Still a long way, though, for someone who is not used to swimming at all. |
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04 Jul 18 - 04:15 AM (#3935122) Subject: RE: BS: missing boys found in Thailand cave From: Iains The way I understand it the boys are 1/2 mile down and 2 1/2 miles into the cave system. Part of the route out is flooded, the extent dependent on local rainfall. There are 4 separate flooded areas, one of which is so restricted air tanks cannot be worn and have to be removed and dragged. There is also the velocity of the water to be contended with and suspended clay obscuring visibility. There also seems to be a degree of uncertainty as to how severe flooding events are, this impacts the security of the boy's present location. Having found the boys alive and well is fantastic news but there are some difficult decisions ahead before they can be safely extracted. The lack of both diving and swimming experience, poor visibility and constrictions would make the dive option exceedingly dangerous for all involved. It really is the ultimate nightmare for the kids, their families and those attempting the rescue. May the rain hold off until they are rescued. |
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05 Jul 18 - 03:34 AM (#3935374) Subject: RE: BS: missing boys found in Thailand cave From: mg https://www.overtons.com/modperl/product/details.cgi?pdesc=Sea-Doo-SeaScooter-Pro&i=314029&CAWELAID=120030620000050581&s_kwcid=adwords__&gclid=EAIaIQobChMIq6js7reH3AIV1LrACh2dVQk3EAQYASABEgJZ7vD_BwE propulsion unit something like this. teaching them to dive and leaving them there for months does not sound great. you just don't know how cave will fill. they have pumped a huge amount of water out of the entrance to the cave so the journey will be shortened. they can walk out part of it. why would the seals not have something like a propulsion unit in the places where the tunnels were not totally filled with water? you might break a few but they have roped off the route and put all sorts of oxygen tanks in place. each boy would have two navy seals. i would expect some would have to be tranquilized somehow and towed out. some government official i guess said the group would not be split up..but has backtracked. never make announcements like that. save whom you can as quickly as you can. it might be the smallest or it might be the strongest. \ |
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05 Jul 18 - 03:10 PM (#3935536) Subject: RE: BS: missing boys found in Thailand cave From: keberoxu The latest CNN summary discloses that the rescuers require six hours to arrive where the victims are, and five hours to get back. And these are the fit, fed, healthy ones. The coach is one of those being reported, amongst the victims, as being one of the more exhausted and malnourished, along with "two of the boys" (CNN). It may be imagined that the coach went without food so that the boys could go on eating longer. I cannot begin to imagine that coach's emotions, mind, and spirit, not to speak of his bodily woes. What a drama this has become. |
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05 Jul 18 - 04:00 PM (#3935553) Subject: RE: BS: missing boys found in Thailand cave From: mg there are so many conflicting stories. I have read they got in in 90 minutes. And they do not have to go as far now that a section has been drained enough to talk out..or towed if necessary. I also read they got out faster because currents were in there favor, although most reports talk about currents as being an obstacle. Olan Musk???? who has the boring expertise has offered assistance. Bad rains and more flooding predicted, although they are sealing up entrances for water. I think they will get at least some out in new two days. Once a couple are out, the rest should go quickly, even if on some sort of water stretcher. |
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06 Jul 18 - 03:54 AM (#3935618) Subject: RE: BS: missing boys found in Thailand cave From: Iains A reasonably comprehensive outline of the situation, constantly being updated: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tham_Luang_cave_rescue |
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06 Jul 18 - 05:45 AM (#3935648) Subject: RE: BS: missing boys found in Thailand cave From: vectis The chances of getting them out by teaching them swimming/diving will have to be a last resort. I am an experienced swimmer with a little diving experience but I don't think I could make that swim. Muddy water, rocks and narrows, fast currents and all happening in the dark? would you do it? As a non-swimmer and a child that has no concept of what will happen if you do panic I reckon there is next to zero chance of them or the accompanying divers getting through alive. I hope I'm wrong but it could lead to a lot more deaths if I am right. If they can get the water level low enough so that any swims/floats are minimal and in wider tunnels them maybe it will be worth a shot. |
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06 Jul 18 - 06:12 AM (#3935654) Subject: RE: BS: missing boys found in Thailand cave From: Backwoodsman Just reported on BBC News that one of the divers in the rescue team has been killed, due to running out of air during a dive in the cave. Very, very sad, and these brave people who risk, and sometimes lose, their lives to save others cannot be praised too highly. |
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06 Jul 18 - 06:57 AM (#3935670) Subject: RE: BS: missing boys found in Thailand cave From: Donuel vectis predicted this. This is what this sensationalized story was dreading/hoping for. Save children from ambitious Coaches. |
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06 Jul 18 - 04:01 PM (#3935803) Subject: RE: BS: missing boys found in Thailand cave From: mg it is odd he ran out of air because supposedly he was one of the ones carrying in the air tanks. Don't know what happened. One problem is that visibility is very poor and they can't see gauges etc..Are there radios that work down there? Some cultural things to consider. I am very generalizing because I do not know their specific tribal culture/s. From working with other people from SE Asia, especially children, there is a great fear of ghosts. If one were to die before rescue, what would they do with the body? I would hope that they have body bags in place and could somehow put the body in a recess somewhere perhaps. One thing is we seem to be thinking one diver has to swim six miles underwater against raging currents. Or with raging currents pushing him/her. I have no doubt that conditions are in places totally awful, but is it that way the entire way? Kilometers and miles are interchanged in these reports, sometimes in the same article. I am under the impression it is more like 3.5 miles, which would be closer to 6 miles. They also have cleared out the entrance part up to a huge cavern called ???? 3. They could get the boys to that point and let them rest, eat, get medical care, get used to light etc., barring flash floods etc. The other thing is, there are probably over 100 divers there. They would not all have to make the entire journey. And perhaps there are places where other divers could be stationed..hopefully the part where divers have to take off their equipment, and boys passed from hand to hand.If first divers were not exhausted yet, they could return for another child. Some divers will be better at the tight spaces. Bruno and Brunhilde might be better fighting the currents. I don't know but I think every able-minded person on the planet would be welcome to think about this. And I would never underestimate the brilliance of a North Vietnamese (and presumably Thai people) with a few bamboo sticks. Now..Elon Musk...has the expertise, the engineers and the equipment. It might not need the sort of equipment to drill subway tunnels. If you could safely drill and reinforce the rock above that most low, downward sloping, totally filled with water place you would eliminate a huge problem. I hope every miner in the world is looking at this. Don't know where they would be able to share their expertise though. One more cultural thing...smaller developing countries understandably have a preference for rescuing their own people with their own equipment...especially countries where saving face is a high priority. I do not know if that is the case or not. You never know what problems and successes other countries would bring to the picture...but it did take several days to take Elon Musk up on his offer..I am not sure they have accepted or not..regardless, I hope he positioned his men/women and equipment fairly close by... I just still can't see leaving them for 4 months...oxygen levels are at 15% with all the people helping sucking up the oxygen. they say you lose function at 16%. What would I do, being a backseat diver? Set up relay teams. Set up a makeshift hospital in Cavern 3 or whatever they call it. Tranquilize the boys and make them go limp and loose and let the divers mold them around corners etc. Do the other stuff they are doing..trying to keep water out and keep draining...don't know. |
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06 Jul 18 - 05:22 PM (#3935817) Subject: RE: BS: missing boys found in Thailand cave From: Iains I am surprised the drilling option is not being pursued, unless the cave surveys are too unreliable to give a target. A dozer and ripper could create equipment pads for drilling quite rapidly, logging teams could take down trees for a clear flight path in and out and the show could get on the road.(A dozer and 360 can achieve amazing feats on slopes even in jungles) I worked for a while on helirigs in Borneo back in the 70's. A chinook or skycrane has way more lift capacity than we ever had, and we were going far deeper than is required for the rescue. A small hole for supplies could be driven in a couple of days. A 30 or 36 inch cased hole for extraction would take take longer, especially if the ground is extensively fractured. It is also assuming there is no perched water table, that if breached, would possibly compound the existing problems. I hope the rain holds off and the pumping redoubles. A couple of sumps to traverse instead of long underwater sections would reduce the risks dramatically for an extraction the same route they entered. |
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06 Jul 18 - 06:17 PM (#3935827) Subject: RE: BS: missing boys found in Thailand cave From: mg https://www.news.com.au/world/asia/frantic-rescuers-battle-against-time-to-free-thai-schoolboys-from-from-cave/news-story/1ff527c95f877abc0f73f8907f0a4eea https://www.news.com.au/world/asia/frantic-rescuers-battle-against-time-to-free-thai-schoolboys-from-from-cave/news-story/1ff527 Here is what I mean. look at slide called race against floods at the place it says narrow passage. if you could dig a tunnel above the water right there, you would have a much easier time. don't know if it is possible, what the rock is. why have we not heard from geologists? mining engineers? I am sure they are discussing this somewhere but why isn't cooper anderson or someone interviewing them? Maybe he and I do not have a TV so I can't say for sure. Some of the reports are using outdated information so it would be good if there was a very good fact checker somewhere. And I wish they would get a different spokesman than the governor. |
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06 Jul 18 - 06:29 PM (#3935830) Subject: RE: BS: missing boys found in Thailand cave From: Iains The people onsite are looking at surface caves, dolines and openings above the suspected position of the trapped boys. That suggests a karst landscape. i.e.limestone. Limestone can be hard or soft and contain varying amounts of clay or silt. Cave systems only develop in limestones, and to a far lesser extent in dolomite, marble, and gypsum. They are solutional features. |
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06 Jul 18 - 08:01 PM (#3935843) Subject: RE: BS: missing boys found in Thailand cave From: Donuel It would have to go 1/2 mile down, precisely. |
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07 Jul 18 - 03:58 AM (#3935879) Subject: RE: BS: missing boys found in Thailand cave From: Keith A of Hertford t is odd he ran out of air because supposedly he was one of the ones carrying in the air tanks. Don't know what happened. He was on the return journey, but it does not explain how he could run out of air without taking action. It has been suggested that he collapsed from exhaustion. It is a stark reminder of how difficult it will be to get child non-divers out that way. |
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07 Jul 18 - 07:32 AM (#3935925) Subject: RE: BS: missing boys found in Thailand cave From: Donuel Are rebreather devices an alternative to air tanks? It has to work for 15 minutes. |
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07 Jul 18 - 08:47 AM (#3935931) Subject: RE: BS: missing boys found in Thailand cave From: Keith A of Hertford They would be an extra complication. better to just supply more air bottles. |
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07 Jul 18 - 02:20 PM (#3935962) Subject: RE: BS: missing boys found in Thailand cave From: meself I wonder which kids will get back to their parents first: the ones in the cave or the ones in the cages? |
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07 Jul 18 - 02:20 PM (#3935963) Subject: RE: BS: missing boys found in Thailand cave From: meself I wonder which kids will get back to their parents first: the ones in the cave or the ones in the cages? |
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07 Jul 18 - 07:21 PM (#3936001) Subject: RE: BS: missing boys found in Thailand cave From: mg it sounds like the rescue might be underway now. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IPflqlhLRcA thai kids singing |
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07 Jul 18 - 07:38 PM (#3936003) Subject: RE: BS: missing boys found in Thailand cave From: Jeri MG's link is to a Thai kids' chorus singing the Steve Earle song "Galway Girl". I don't know what it has to do with the kids trapped in a cave. I can't find anything about something happening now. |
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07 Jul 18 - 09:30 PM (#3936007) Subject: RE: BS: missing boys found in Thailand cave From: Jeri Having just watched a story on ABC News. it seems like something has changed. The entrance to the caves is draped with material, and the press has been pushed back. It's raining there again, and more water is not needed. |
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08 Jul 18 - 03:31 AM (#3936020) Subject: RE: BS: missing boys found in Thailand cave From: Iains I suspect the authorities have decided that now is the best opportunity to extract the boys in the light of anticipated rains. An Australian diving doctor(anaesthetist)has joined the rescue team. I hope the outcome will be a complete success. "At 10am local time 18 divers went into the cave to bring out the boys – including 13 international divers and five Thai navy Seals.. Water levels have dropped significantly since Saturday, and officials say that they are now at “peak readiness”. |
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08 Jul 18 - 09:39 AM (#3936065) Subject: RE: BS: missing boys found in Thailand cave From: Senoufou BBC reports that six boys are now above ground, two taken away in an ambulance. Praying that this ends well and they all get out and are safe, including their rescuers. |
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08 Jul 18 - 10:13 AM (#3936076) Subject: RE: BS: missing boys found in Thailand cave From: Senoufou The BBC TV News channel is saying four boys are out. And they've stopped operations for 10 hours, so that the diving teams can regroup and prepare for the next push. It must be terrible for those still left in the cave, having to wait, and also feeling very nervous about the journey to the outside. Hope the lads in the ambulances are OK. |
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08 Jul 18 - 04:46 PM (#3936123) Subject: RE: BS: missing boys found in Thailand cave From: keberoxu The first successful piece of the rescue is on all the news media: CNN, Reuters, and so on. A report in the Washington Post, which absolutely refuses all my efforts to link, says that the group of four boys got a quick checking-over near the site, then went by helicopter to a hospital near Chiang Rai where the hospital has reserved one entire floor for the entire group of thirteen (twelve boys, one coach). It may take a while, though, before the next group can be extracted from undergraound. |
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08 Jul 18 - 05:58 PM (#3936135) Subject: RE: BS: missing boys found in Thailand cave From: mg New York times says coach is one of the four out. Perth now says boys went in on their own and coach went into find them..but then why would he apologize? Wish they could have kept going. I wonder about governor.leader. does he have rescue experience? Indians stand by with big tube to crawl through. |
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08 Jul 18 - 06:18 PM (#3936142) Subject: RE: BS: missing boys found in Thailand cave From: keberoxu The BBC News website, after correcting its rescued-victims number from six to four persons, maintains that the four who were brought out were team members, boys, while the coach remains below with the other eight. Also from BBC news, while the four are all at the same hospital, some were rushed by helicopter while one, perhaps two, were driven overland by ambulance. |
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08 Jul 18 - 06:28 PM (#3936143) Subject: RE: BS: missing boys found in Thailand cave From: Jos I suspect they would bring out the smallest / weakest / most vulnerable boys first (not the coach - he will probably be last, whether or not he went in to find them). |
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08 Jul 18 - 07:04 PM (#3936157) Subject: RE: BS: missing boys found in Thailand cave From: mg Unless coach in very bad shape. Demoralizing for boys. |
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08 Jul 18 - 08:37 PM (#3936168) Subject: RE: BS: missing boys found in Thailand cave From: Jeri The report I saw said they brought the strongest boys out first. Not sure why, but I think it makes sense for the coach to stay inside for now. Also, the apology might have nothing to do with how this happened. Just an adult second-guessing himself. |
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09 Jul 18 - 03:11 AM (#3936207) Subject: RE: BS: missing boys found in Thailand cave From: Senoufou I'm hoping that today they'll manage to get another group out safely. The longer this goes on, the more likely that the monsoon rains will cause awful problems. Wouldn't it be wonderful if they announce they're all out by the end of today? |
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09 Jul 18 - 05:14 AM (#3936239) Subject: RE: BS: missing boys found in Thailand cave From: Dave the Gnome Just realised, to introduce a bit of levity amidst the tension, we need International Rescue. Thunderbirds are go would be a welcome phrase:-) |
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09 Jul 18 - 05:15 AM (#3936241) Subject: RE: BS: missing boys found in Thailand cave From: Bonzo3legs Not funny. |
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09 Jul 18 - 06:44 AM (#3936251) Subject: RE: BS: missing boys found in Thailand cave From: Dave the Gnome Your sense of humour seems to consist of poking fun at an intelligent black woman MP because of her looks, bonzo, so the fact that you do not find my attempt funny is a bonus to me :-) |
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09 Jul 18 - 07:55 AM (#3936255) Subject: RE: BS: missing boys found in Thailand cave From: Nigel Parsons Three more rescued Five and coach still inside. It's looking better. |
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09 Jul 18 - 08:05 AM (#3936257) Subject: RE: BS: missing boys found in Thailand cave From: Senoufou Oh Nigel, that is good news! It gives hope that they'll press on with the remaining six today. My thoughts are with their poor families. They must have been going through absolute hell these past weeks. |
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09 Jul 18 - 08:51 AM (#3936263) Subject: RE: BS: missing boys found in Thailand cave From: Nigel Parsons Yes Eliza, But time is limited today. They are on a time zone of UTC+7, so it is already early evening there. |
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09 Jul 18 - 09:17 AM (#3936267) Subject: RE: BS: missing boys found in Thailand cave From: Senoufou Does it need to be daylight Nigel? As they're underground, and when brought out they go straight into an ambulance, would it matter if it was dark outside? (Plaintive voice of hope!) |
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09 Jul 18 - 09:26 AM (#3936269) Subject: RE: BS: missing boys found in Thailand cave From: Senoufou Latest confirmed news is that eight have now been rescued. Oh joy!! |
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09 Jul 18 - 03:49 PM (#3936321) Subject: RE: BS: missing boys found in Thailand cave From: Iains May their good luck hold and enable those remaining to be rescued unharmed. |
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09 Jul 18 - 10:19 PM (#3936364) Subject: RE: BS: missing boys found in Thailand cave From: mg saw on some blog that elon musk is in the cave, prob outer chamber. doubt they will use sub on rescue but it could be used in situations like japan is facing now... |
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10 Jul 18 - 03:09 AM (#3936379) Subject: RE: BS: missing boys found in Thailand cave From: Senoufou When this is over, the local powers-that-be would be well advised to mount some sort of grille at the entrance to these tunnels/caves, to prevent anyone else getting into a dangerous situation therein. It could be unlocked with permission from the authorities, for experienced divers/geologists etc to enter. |
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10 Jul 18 - 04:52 AM (#3936397) Subject: RE: BS: missing boys found in Thailand cave From: mg I wonder if super typhoon maria will affect anything. Ambulances, helicopters, cave..or is it too far away? |
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10 Jul 18 - 06:17 AM (#3936402) Subject: RE: BS: missing boys found in Thailand cave From: Senoufou Tenth boy is now safely out. It looks as if this is going to completely succeed, thank goodness. |
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10 Jul 18 - 06:28 AM (#3936404) Subject: RE: BS: missing boys found in Thailand cave From: Senoufou According to Reuters, the eleventh had just emerged (4 minutes ago) Two more persons to go! |
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10 Jul 18 - 08:05 AM (#3936413) Subject: RE: BS: missing boys found in Thailand cave From: Iains Reports say all are now out. A wonderful outcome. |
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10 Jul 18 - 08:06 AM (#3936414) Subject: RE: BS: missing boys found in Thailand cave From: Nigel Parsons Yippeee!!! |
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10 Jul 18 - 08:20 AM (#3936418) Subject: RE: BS: missing boys found in Thailand cave From: Backwoodsman Just announced they're all out! |
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10 Jul 18 - 08:22 AM (#3936419) Subject: RE: BS: missing boys found in Thailand cave From: Senoufou Oh isn't that wonderful?!!!! Their families must be ecstatic. And apparently there are no serious health problems, just some infections and the need to wear sunglasses until their eyes become accustomed to the daylight. I feel like dancing with relief and joy! Thank the Lord! (and those brave divers, the pumping team, the numerous crews involved etc) And let's not forget the diver who died, Saman Kunan. RIP. |
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10 Jul 18 - 08:23 AM (#3936421) Subject: RE: BS: missing boys found in Thailand cave From: Dave the Gnome Great outcome. I mentioned international rescue and who should turn up with Thunderbird 4 but Elon Musk! |
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10 Jul 18 - 08:26 AM (#3936424) Subject: RE: BS: missing boys found in Thailand cave From: Keith A of Hertford What a wonderful example of international co-operation. |
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10 Jul 18 - 08:28 AM (#3936425) Subject: RE: BS: missing boys found in Thailand cave From: Steve Shaw Wonderful. And wouldn't it be equally wonderful if we could show the same concern for children the world over trapped in places such as Syria and Gaza... Just a passing, inchoate thought, not a cue for a blame fest! |
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10 Jul 18 - 08:39 AM (#3936429) Subject: RE: BS: missing boys found in Thailand cave From: Senoufou Or even those taken from their parents and languishing in cages in Trump's Concentration Camp. |
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10 Jul 18 - 11:03 AM (#3936474) Subject: RE: BS: missing boys found in Thailand cave From: keberoxu Mudcatter mg got her wish, by the way. The latest update from CNN news has a quote, not from the "Governor", but from Thai Health Ministry Secretary. Now, with all the victims rescued from underground and admitted to -- I believe -- the same hospital, the Health Secretary is the one who visits the hospital in person and gives updates on the recoveries of all the children. So far, there are two diagnoses of pneumonia. The children are in an isolation ward. Their families are forbidden to give them bodily-contact hugs, although in some cases, certain children are deemed strong enough to have their families in the very same room with them. For the rest, there is a glass wall between the children and the family, and they use a telephone to talk to each other through the glass. The Prime Minister General of Thailand has also visited. |
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10 Jul 18 - 11:05 AM (#3936475) Subject: RE: BS: missing boys found in Thailand cave From: keberoxu At most recent report, there were still people underground -- members of the rescue team, whose role was to see the last of the victims out of those caves. Now it is the rescuers' turn to be rescued. |
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11 Jul 18 - 12:57 AM (#3936591) Subject: RE: BS: missing boys found in Thailand cave From: mg i hope there are non-exploitative ways for the Thai people to benefit from this. i am all for (appropriately permitted) movies,books, with profits being distributed fairly. hope some good lawyers are being rounded up now or people will be exploited..and there are politics going on right now on governance of the area...and i hope they do have a tourist center and museum...and use proceeds for perhaps soccer for the poorest girls and boys..or schools in the hill country..there have to be safeguards in place..including ones that are pretty standard in us at least...i do not question why coach took boys on excursion..although some say boys went in and coach went to look for them...but one adult with one or more youngsters is a big no no nowadays...and good for elon musk...we can use that rescue sub where i live..they are frequently pulling boys (always boys) out of riptides here...so it has not gone to waste at all. many many important lessons to be learned from this..one is to raise tough kids with many practical skills... |
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11 Jul 18 - 08:21 AM (#3936665) Subject: RE: BS: missing boys found in Thailand cave From: Senoufou Wasn't it lovely of Manchester United to invite the whole group to come and visit them? I bet the lads will be thrilled, and maybe make the journey once the season starts in the autumn. It would be super if each ManU team player could have a Thai boy walk beside him onto the pitch at the start of the game. |
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11 Jul 18 - 09:39 PM (#3936789) Subject: RE: BS: missing boys found in Thailand cave From: leeneia Um, I'm happy the boys are out, and I kept an eye on the progress of the rescue. But what actually happened is that 12 foolish and disobedient boys did something dangerous that led to the death of a rescuer. No one has talked about this much, but I am sure the boys were expected to come home from practice, not to go into a cave during the rainy season. Young as they are, they should not be castigated, but they should not be treated like heroes, either. |
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11 Jul 18 - 09:54 PM (#3936791) Subject: RE: BS: missing boys found in Thailand cave From: Donuel Needless to say they all are now safe in the hospital. The kids were invited as VIPs to the world cup but the hospital squashed the offer. You would think the kids are fed up with following authority figures by now. |
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12 Jul 18 - 05:15 AM (#3936826) Subject: RE: BS: missing boys found in Thailand cave From: Steve Shaw I was under the impression that the lads had an adult leader. leeneia. |
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12 Jul 18 - 05:42 AM (#3936828) Subject: RE: BS: missing boys found in Thailand cave From: Iains They will not be the first or last teens/preteens to do something stupid. But surely it is a cause for celebration that a huge international effort managed an astounding feat to get all the boys out, and also that the brave Thai seal that drowned is mourned for his supreme sacrifice. Some reports say that to go into an inner cave and mark the wall was a rite of passage. Their attempt was too late in the season and the rains caught them out. Other reports say the boys were given a strong tranquilizer to prevent panic attacks, prior to their extrication I suspect the positive outcome of the rescue has given first reaponders a few more techniques to adopt to save further lives. I wonder if western kids, with a very different lifestyle, would have coped as admirably as these young boys? |
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12 Jul 18 - 09:59 AM (#3936874) Subject: RE: BS: missing boys found in Thailand cave From: Jeri I haven't heard how they ended up in the cave, but as Steve noted, their coach was with them. I suspect they didn't realize how fast the water was going to rise, or how trapped they'd be when it did. |
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12 Jul 18 - 12:17 PM (#3936909) Subject: RE: BS: missing boys found in Thailand cave From: punkfolkrocker I can understand a boys football team exploring and getting lost in a cave, but how did they get their coach down there...??? Even a minibus would have been far too big...!!!??? Ok, serious - as a mark of respect for the diver who perished saving them, it would be a real good gesture if at least one of these boys grows up to join the military diving team... |
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12 Jul 18 - 08:54 PM (#3936994) Subject: RE: BS: missing boys found in Thailand cave From: vectis I am so pleased to have been wrong in this case. All of them out and only one death (one too many) is a far better outcome than we could have hoped for. YAY! |
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14 Jul 18 - 11:47 AM (#3937333) Subject: RE: BS: missing boys found in Thailand cave From: keberoxu Well, leeneia, the team has to live up to their name. After all, they are the "Wild Boars," not the "Domesticated Bunny Rabbits" . . . If I can get this link to work, here is an update from the Bangkok Post. |
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14 Jul 18 - 08:49 PM (#3937398) Subject: RE: BS: missing boys found in Thailand cave From: keberoxu ...but what is this about KFC ? What's Thai about that? |
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14 Jul 18 - 09:59 PM (#3937402) Subject: RE: BS: missing boys found in Thailand cave From: keberoxu I like the English-language attempt from one of the rescued team members to the British divers: "Thank you heavy." |
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22 Jul 18 - 09:04 PM (#3938835) Subject: RE: BS: missing boys found in Thailand cave From: keberoxu I hate, hate, HATE the way that the English-speaking media is referring to the rescued victims as "the cave boys." God forbid it gets any worse. |
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25 Jul 18 - 10:31 AM (#3939363) Subject: RE: BS: missing boys found in Thailand cave From: leeneia Latest account I read said that the boys told their parents they were going to practice and went into the cave instead. The coach followed, trying to get them out. I think it was a good idea to keep the parents a distance away from the rescued boys for a while - let emotions cool. |
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25 Jul 18 - 10:39 AM (#3939369) Subject: RE: BS: missing boys found in Thailand cave From: Senoufou I see now that the boys have been made monks, had their heads shaved and are going into a monastery for a time (all except one, who is a Christian) This is quite normal for boys in Thailand of course. But it would have been nice if they could have had more time with their families, and a little holiday or rest after their ordeal. |
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26 Jul 18 - 05:13 AM (#3939550) Subject: RE: BS: missing boys found in Thailand cave From: Joe Offer Apparently, almost all boys in Thailand spend some time as Buddhist monks. These boys will spend a matter of weeks as monks, not a lifetime. A newspaper story I read, said that the boys went into the cave, and the coach reluctantly followed them. My conclusion is that the boys went into the cave because kids will be kids. The coach followed in an attempt to ensure their safety, but that did not work very well. But now, they are safe, and there is no reason to judge anyone. |
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26 Jul 18 - 07:08 AM (#3939565) Subject: RE: BS: missing boys found in Thailand cave From: Senoufou That's quite right Joe, It's going to be for a short time only, a few weeks I expect. And their parents said that while there, the boys would be be praying for the diver who died, which is lovely. It occurred to me it might be a good way for them to come to terms with their terrifying experience in the calm atmosphere of the monastery. They must be completely traumatised, and need psychological 'downtime' to heal, I'm sure. |
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26 Jul 18 - 07:12 AM (#3939566) Subject: RE: BS: missing boys found in Thailand cave From: Iains They will be monks for 9 days(apart from the one Christian) a promise made by their families for their safe return and in memory of a rescuer who died. |
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26 Jul 18 - 09:23 AM (#3939599) Subject: RE: BS: missing boys found in Thailand cave From: punkfolkrocker The new reports looked like the opening scenes from the 70s TV series "Kung Fu" - grasshopper... |
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26 Jul 18 - 10:15 AM (#3939623) Subject: RE: BS: missing boys found in Thailand cave From: Stilly River Sage I'd suggest that if the coach followed them in to keep them safe then he managed that. Not having read every written word on the topic, just following this thread. |
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27 Jul 18 - 01:38 AM (#3939739) Subject: RE: BS: missing boys found in Thailand cave From: robomatic Earlier the news reported that all the boys had been given anti-anxiety medication before they were 'shepherded' out of the cave. Tonight's news said they were all given ketamine and were unconscious but breathing. The concern being I suppose that a conscious kid panicking under water would be likely not to survive and of course hazard the life of the divers with him. But tonight's news said each boy was unconscious and had a full breathing mask tightly sealed over his face. One kid began to wake up and was re-injected by his accompanying diver. Interesting. |
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27 Jul 18 - 03:13 AM (#3939744) Subject: RE: BS: missing boys found in Thailand cave From: Senoufou The Australian anaesthetist/diver Richard Harris, who gave the boys ketamine, said later to journalists that he had been very afraid of the possible effects of the drug on weakened, underfed young lads, but that he reckoned it would have been the only way to prevent panics and disastrous struggles during the rescue process. He's since been honoured in his country with the Order of Australia for his bravery. |
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28 Jul 18 - 01:22 AM (#3939980) Subject: RE: BS: missing boys found in Thailand cave From: robomatic The television show 20/20 on American ABC is giving a detailed story about the rescue as I type. |
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28 Jul 18 - 01:31 AM (#3939982) Subject: RE: BS: missing boys found in Thailand cave From: robomatic More information and details on the rescue at: abcnews |