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help with chords please

30 Aug 18 - 03:02 AM (#3947020)
Subject: help with chords please
From: GUEST,FloraG

A music group I'm in is thinking of playing a bit of jazz ( foreign territory to us). The music has C, B and D as
C (sharp))0 7
D ( sharp) 0 7.
B 0 The 0 is printed small. We're ok with the sharps and the 7's. but what does the 0 mean, and how would it be played on a guitar and a ukulele, please?


30 Aug 18 - 03:20 AM (#3947021)
Subject: RE: help with chords please
From: Backwoodsman

Let Google be your friend and guide...

https://www.jamplay.com/tools/guitar-chords/1-standard/3-c/29-dim-7


30 Aug 18 - 03:45 AM (#3947027)
Subject: RE: help with chords please
From: GUEST,Jerry

It’s shorthand for diminished seventh chords, typically used as passing chords whilst moving from one major to another, eg. C to D.

C#dim7 would contain the notes of C#, E, G and B
D#dim7 - D#, F#, A and C#
Bdim7 = B, D#, G# and C.

On the top four strings of guitar, you could fret C#dim7 as 2423 (low to high), with D# two frets up and B one fret lower. The same fingering could be used on ukelele but at other frets depending on the pitch tuning of the instrument.


30 Aug 18 - 03:49 AM (#3947029)
Subject: RE: help with chords please
From: GUEST,Jerry

Sorry, not quite right, should be 2323 as the as the fourth note should flat.


30 Aug 18 - 04:06 AM (#3947033)
Subject: RE: help with chords please
From: Backwoodsman

Explanation with chord charts for C#o7 in my link above. Others can be found on the same site.


30 Aug 18 - 04:17 AM (#3947037)
Subject: RE: help with chords please
From: GUEST,FloraG

Thanks.
So the 0 in the printed edition of the chord is short for diminished. I can look these chords up now. Thanks for the link.
I tend to play the tune - so chords are a bit of an unknown to me - but I think jazz needs its chords.
We thought we would try ' aint misbehavin' in c but we may be biting off more than we can chew.
Thanks again.


30 Aug 18 - 04:33 AM (#3947039)
Subject: RE: help with chords please
From: GUEST,Jerry

Notes for the chords I listed should actually be:
C#, E, G and A#
D#, F#, A and C
B, D, F and G#.

Unusually, the chord fingering shape repeats the same notes in a different order every three frets up the neck.


30 Aug 18 - 05:26 AM (#3947053)
Subject: RE: help with chords please
From: GUEST,Sol

Additional info. The three fret repeat pattern is the same for augmented chords. They are denoted with a "plus"' sign after the chord i.e.
C+ = C augmented. (C, E, G#, C)
For guitar players... (thinnest string first) E, C, G#, E.
Note: The two thickest strings are not played.


30 Aug 18 - 05:31 AM (#3947054)
Subject: RE: help with chords please
From: GUEST,Sol

To add to my post above.
For C+ the fingering would be "open-1-1-2"
For D+ it would be "2-3-3-4"
...and so on.


30 Aug 18 - 07:09 AM (#3947064)
Subject: RE: help with chords please
From: GUEST,Pseudonymous

The other thing with diminished chords is that (for reasons I won't go into, and *putting it simply*) each one is actually four different diminished chords, and can be called by the name of any of the notes contained in it. Of course, for any one playing position/shape only one of the chords will have the root note as the lowest.

So for example

B D F Ab

Is B dim7, and also 'inversions' of D dim7 F dim 7 Ab dim 7


31 Aug 18 - 04:53 AM (#3947244)
Subject: RE: help with chords please
From: GUEST,FloraG

Thanks so far.
I tend to play the tune note ( I'm quite good at picking out tunes from music or ear)) as the top note and try to put a chord note in below - I can often only manage one. ( mandolin/fiddle/Uke)
If I play G as the tune note ( ain't mis BEHAVEN ) I could reach a C sharp or an E on the uke. Is one better than the other to make it more authentic jazz?
Sorry to ask such basic questions but I am way out of my comfort zone.
FloraG


01 Sep 18 - 08:07 AM (#3947449)
Subject: RE: help with chords please
From: GUEST,Jerry

Jazz ain’t my forte either, but if you are trying to emulate a diminished chord with double stopping then just two notes in isolation might sound too discordant, unless others are playing the whole chord in accompaniment. The other non-melody note that you go for would probably be the one best implying the transition in the chord line, eg. c# since the chords before after are C and Dm.


01 Sep 18 - 08:49 AM (#3947456)
Subject: RE: help with chords please
From: doc.tom

The repeat pattern for diminished chords every 3 frets is correct (because they are a sequence of minor thirds), I think you'll find that augmented chords repeat every fourth fret - not every third fret as Guest Sol suggests (because they are a sequence of major thirds).


01 Sep 18 - 08:58 AM (#3947458)
Subject: RE: help with chords please
From: GUEST,Jerry

Sorry, the chords either side of your C#dim in the refrain are C and G7, but c# would still provide a run up from the c of the C chord to the d of the G7 chord.