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29 Oct 18 - 04:58 AM (#3959007) Subject: English Medieval Songs From: David W Hi, For a new project I want to collect the music for English Medieval songs. There aren't that many. So I thought I'd begin with assembling a list of all music, century by century, originating in England. An easy task you'd think, someone in the past must have made a list. But no it seems. (The DIAMM website has made a partial attempt.) There a books of English Medieval music but they are far from comprehensive usually only containing a fraction of the music. Can anyone help? |
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29 Oct 18 - 06:24 AM (#3959021) Subject: RE: English Medieval Songs From: GUEST,Pseudonymous I understand that definitions of 'Medieval' vary. In its broadest definition, it includes the period between the fall of the Roman Empire and the Renaissance, roughly a thousand years. May I ask what dates you are thinking in terms of? |
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29 Oct 18 - 07:16 AM (#3959028) Subject: RE: English Medieval Songs From: GUEST might be worth trying The Full English website |
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29 Oct 18 - 07:47 AM (#3959036) Subject: RE: English Medieval Songs From: David W I understand that definitions of 'Medieval' vary. In its broadest definition, it includes the period between the fall of the Roman Empire and the Renaissance, roughly a thousand years. May I ask what dates you are thinking in terms of? Pretty much any start time, but I understand the oldest written music originating in England dates from the 11th Century. |
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29 Oct 18 - 08:26 AM (#3959045) Subject: RE: English Medieval Songs From: GUEST,Jack Campin Review of Dobson and Harrison |
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29 Oct 18 - 04:13 PM (#3959126) Subject: RE: English Medieval Songs From: David W I saw that book when I was researching, details on the contents are hard to find but I found a site that gave a contents list, if this list is true the book contains a many songs but far from all of them. |
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29 Oct 18 - 05:00 PM (#3959134) Subject: RE: English Medieval Songs From: Jack Campin I had access to a copy for a while and never found anything it didn't have, and in the most complete and well edited version. |
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01 Nov 18 - 03:01 PM (#3959584) Subject: RE: English Medieval Songs From: Mo the caller What songs are of your list? |
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01 Nov 18 - 06:31 PM (#3959625) Subject: RE: English Medieval Songs From: David W Mo The list is rather long almost 150 pieces of music, so far. Jack I believe few if any of these songs are in the book, and the person who made this list says this is only the tip of the iceberg as to what's out there on manuscripts ignored and never transcribed. https://www.diamm.ac.uk/resources/sbs/alphabetical-list-songs/ |
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02 Nov 18 - 01:14 AM (#3959646) Subject: RE: English Medieval Songs From: GUEST,James Gordon There are many ways in the internet. Check out: FTP server download |
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02 Nov 18 - 02:56 AM (#3959648) Subject: RE: English Medieval Songs From: Mr Red have a look at this Mudcat thread on medieval music - there are links that might provide some songs as well as music. And just yesterday there was a programme on BBC R4extra that stated that Greensleaves was a tune known before Henry 8 and more than one lyric, even thought he may have written (or "borrowed" some of) the one we know best. But be careful how you define medieval - see the Wiki link for some guidance. |
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03 Nov 18 - 04:42 AM (#3959825) Subject: RE: English Medieval Songs From: GUEST,Some bloke I’d preface the work by stating how you define medieval and why your definition is both relevant and appropriate for your collection. Put it at the beginning, preferably in bold type. Otherwise you’ll get pedants dismissing what looks to be a wonderful project merely because of silly prejudice. See the many threads where “folk” “baroque” “traditional” and even “pop” not to mention “contemporary” have gone from interesting debate to silliness once the preconceived opinions of self styled music police come out to play. Good luck with it. I’m working on the tunes behind Charles Wesley’s hymns at the moment. It’s the collating and discovery that counts, not the reception. |
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03 Nov 18 - 05:43 AM (#3959831) Subject: RE: English Medieval Songs From: Jack Campin The Radio 4 speaker was probably an idiot. There are very few songs with such a definite date as Greensleeves - 1580, a generation after Henry VIII was dead and more than 100 years after the end of the Middle Ages on anybody's count. Both words and music are unmistakably of that time and no earlier. There are several good reasons for not lying when you present your music as being mediæval. The one that matters to me is that the music is the soundworld of a particular time - it gives you an insight into how people felt and thought back then; what kinds of art moved them, and why. You can find the original words for Greensleeves on Mudcat: Bruce Olson posted them. He thought they were crap and said so - most of us would agree. A mediæval listener would also have thought they were crap, but maybe for different reasons. Compare it to a genuinely mediæval song and you can see what had been lost by then. |
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03 Nov 18 - 11:05 AM (#3959871) Subject: RE: English Medieval Songs From: Mr Red There is no written record linking Henry 8 to Greensleeves. But unless you were there, it is all speculation, using the paucity of information you can access from this distance. As for styles, and eras - people haven't changed - they experiment and there are, as a result, outliers. If you went to a folk club these days - would you hear "the Wild Rover"? And is it Irish or from Norfolk? But you might hear echos of Enya and her Victorian parlour song. |
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03 Nov 18 - 12:30 PM (#3959884) Subject: RE: English Medieval Songs From: Jack Campin Greensleeves made a sizable splash when it came out. In 1580. The reason there is nothing linking it to Henry VIII is that he was extremely dead by then. |