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02 Nov 18 - 08:14 PM (#3959803) Subject: Only in state of New Mexico From: keberoxu This news report comes from Las Cruces, New Mexico, not all that far away from the White Sands Missile Range, well into the southern part of the state. A pickup truck, the dog owner out in the desert with his three dogs, and a shotgun in the back seat. |
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02 Nov 18 - 08:49 PM (#3959804) Subject: RE: BS: man shot by dog From: keberoxu Don't believe the Las Cruces Sun news report? How about the paper from New Mexico's capitol city, Santa Fe? Andy Stiny for the New Mexican |
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02 Nov 18 - 09:36 PM (#3959805) Subject: RE: BS: man shot by dog From: Rapparee Not all that unusual. Dogs (and even horses) have discharged firearms "accidentally." My question is why he was driving around with a loaded shotgun in the vehicle. Even Randall Marcy, in his 1850 book on crossing the plains, noted that the most common firearms "accident" was someone mishandling a loaded gun cocked and ready to go in the wagon. NB: I put "accident" in quotes because, like the old NRA, I contend that there are NO firearms "accidents" -- only carelessness. |
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02 Nov 18 - 09:42 PM (#3959807) Subject: RE: BS: man shot by dog From: keberoxu The man with the shotgun, and the dogs, would have died if not for his cell phone and the helicopter that followed through on the 911. The dogs, the article says, were taken to an animal shelter. And the owner's grown son said, that he had to bail the dogs out of doggy jail. Well, heck, the dogs could have been injured or killed; will the dogs be taken away from the old man? Will his license to carry a shotgun be suspended or anything? Sigh. I spent several adult years living in New Mexico. It shocked me how casual they are, out there, about dogs in particular. They pay attention to horses, but dogs are another matter. |
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02 Nov 18 - 11:14 PM (#3959813) Subject: RE: BS: man shot by dog From: Bee-dubya-ell The shotgun — in the backseat of the pickup, along with Charlie — fired through Gilligan’s front driver’s seat. The bullet went through Gilligan’s back, breaking a few ribs and shattering his collar bone, and caused other injuries, according to the Las Cruces newspaper. So, was he shot by a shotgun or a bullet? Shotguns don't shoot bullets. They shoot pellets. Rifles shoot bullets. Most writers refer to the product of a discharged shotgun as a "blast". |
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03 Nov 18 - 03:15 AM (#3959815) Subject: RE: BS: man shot by dog From: Backwoodsman Correct, but not really the point though, is it? |
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03 Nov 18 - 04:00 AM (#3959819) Subject: RE: BS: man shot by dog From: Jim Carroll There were numerous reports from the US a couple or so decades ago, of dog owners leaving cars (of a named make) with the engines running and their pet in the back while they nipped into the local store. When they returned they found their cars had moved off or, on a few occasions, started up when the owners came in sight - several owners were mown down as they walked in front of the cars It was decided that when the locked-in animals spotted their owners they had jumped about the car in excitement and dislodged the starting mechanism. One injured owner described how she has seen her vehicle racing towards her with her grinning Schizu at the wheel The same newspaper. the Sunday Times, also reported how, during a spate of forest fires in the South of France, rescuers were finding corpses among the smouldering remains of the fires they were fighting, all dressed in swimming gear Apparently, the method of firefighting they wre using was to hang containers underneath their helicopters, and scoop up large quantities of sea-water which would then be dropped on the fires - along with any holidaymaker who happened to be swimming at the time Both cases of nature taking its revenge, possibly ! Jim Carroll |
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03 Nov 18 - 04:42 AM (#3959826) Subject: RE: BS: man shot by dog From: Backwoodsman Unfortunately, the 'swimmers' myth has been debunked... https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/corpus-crispy/ |
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03 Nov 18 - 05:02 AM (#3959828) Subject: RE: BS: man shot by dog From: Backwoodsman Personally, I see great poetic justice in a dog-loving, criminally-negligent gun-loony being shot by his own dog, with his own gun. Evidence that God exists, and has a sense of humour! ;-) |
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03 Nov 18 - 08:50 AM (#3959851) Subject: RE: BS: man shot by dog From: Donuel There are no accidents fer sure When permission is given for Trump to get even for losing a crucial election Mass shootings will be the deserved revenge for maniac right wing dissention. |
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03 Nov 18 - 09:37 AM (#3959859) Subject: RE: BS: man shot by dog From: leeneia I did some searching, and it seems a shotgun can shoot a solid projectile called a slug. A slug can right through a car door. Slugs are not used for hunting, because they do so much damage. I am not prepared to believe this story that the dog did it. It might be true; it might be a cover-up. |
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03 Nov 18 - 10:21 AM (#3959866) Subject: RE: BS: man shot by dog From: keberoxu Now a journalist has offered his interpretation, whose byline is a San Antonio, Texas, website. Texans know from shotguns. The journalist, Mike Moffitt, describes the event as a "shotgun blast." Help! I don't know what ails this spell-checker, but it messed up my link. The spell-checker takes the "hr#f" part of the URL, and changes it, I know not why, to "hr#f." |
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03 Nov 18 - 10:37 AM (#3959867) Subject: RE: BS: man shot by dog From: Bee-dubya-ell But nobody hunts jackrabbits with slugs. They're used for bigger game like deer and hogs. If the guy was shot with a slug, he was hunting deer, not jackrabbits. And if that's the case, he was probably hunting illegally since New Mexico has no open season for deer. The number of deer permits is limited and they are assigned to hunters by lottery. More likely, the reporter who wrote the story was just not knowledgeable about long guns. |
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03 Nov 18 - 11:19 AM (#3959876) Subject: RE: BS: man shot by dog From: Mr Red I was once 10 seconds** away from a huge van crashing into the large shop window that I had just passed. The owner had not put the handbrake on fully and what I assume were disc brakes had cooled and released their grip. And in my town the slope is imperceptable, The dog stayed in the passenger seat and had that "don't look at me" look on his countenance. **I paced it out the next day, 10 seconds. But I would have been looking in the direction he was coming at me from, so that's OK? Which way do you jump at such an acute angle? |
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03 Nov 18 - 11:31 AM (#3959879) Subject: RE: BS: man shot by dog From: Amos Leaving a loaded weapon, safety off, in the back seat with a high-energy dog is about as thoughtless as I can imagine. See, in order to be a responsible person you have to be able to envision consequences. I am glad the guy will be okay and the dog was not prosecuted. A stupid incident. |
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03 Nov 18 - 12:31 PM (#3959885) Subject: RE: BS: man shot by dog From: Jim Carroll "Unfortunately, the 'swimmers' myth has been debunked..." Damn !!! Jiim Carroll |
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03 Nov 18 - 01:57 PM (#3959894) Subject: RE: BS: man shot by dog From: Mossback What we need to do is find ways to train more dogs to shoot idiots who never should have had a firearm in the first place. "Take A Bite Outa Morons" |
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03 Nov 18 - 02:06 PM (#3959896) Subject: RE: BS: man shot by dog From: Backwoodsman "What we need to do is find ways to train more dogs to shoot idiots who never should have had a firearm in the first place." What 'we' need is a POTUS with a brain that's wired properly, with a filter on his mouth, and with the balls to tell the NRA-crazies to Fuck Right Off, and bring in some proper gun-controls - you know, like the ones that keep U.K. shooting-deaths down to less than 100 per annum. |
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03 Nov 18 - 03:08 PM (#3959910) Subject: RE: BS: man shot by dog From: Mossback Well, yeah, Backwoodsman - that too. ;>) |
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03 Nov 18 - 04:43 PM (#3959933) Subject: RE: BS: man shot by dog From: Rapparee In most States of the Midwest you can ONLY hunt deer with a shotgun (using slugs, no type of shot), a bow, or a muzzleloading rifle. Why? Because the States are so flat a bullet fired at the eastern state line of Illinois (for example) would drop into the Mississippi River many, many miles away. Maybe that a little exaggerated, but the flatness of these States is the reason for the weapons restrictions. Here in the mountains it's a different story. Oh, yes -- you MUST wear a defines number of square inches of "hunter's orange". Jackrabbits can get awfully big out here in The Wild West. |
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03 Nov 18 - 06:36 PM (#3959946) Subject: RE: BS: man shot by dog From: keberoxu Mike Moffitt at this online news-site in San Antonio. I'm at a different computer in a different establishment. We will see if the link works this time. |
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03 Nov 18 - 06:45 PM (#3959948) Subject: RE: BS: man shot by dog From: keberoxu Nothing much new today. Still no update on the dogs. (I would think a shotgun going off THAT CLOSE to the dogs would make the dogs freak. You disagree?) About the old man in the driver's seat of the pickup truck: After saving his life by stopping the bleeding, the party of deputies and paramedics sent him, not to Las Cruces nearby, but to El Paso, Texas: it's farther, but he needed critical attention. After being in intensive care, the man was moved to a different room at the same facility. One of the news reports say that the man told a reporter that next Wednesday he is scheduled to be transported from El Paso and the University facility there, to Las Cruces and a rehabilitation center. It occurs to me to consider what is left of the truck ... |
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03 Nov 18 - 07:25 PM (#3959950) Subject: RE: BS: man shot by dog From: robomatic My favorite story of this type is the one of the frozen lake, the labrador retriever, and the hunter parking on the ice and tossing a stick of dynamite out to break the ice. Which is a myth. |
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03 Nov 18 - 09:12 PM (#3959959) Subject: RE: BS: man shot by dog From: Rapparee Yeah, a myth is right. It's not all that easy to get any dynamite any more, darn it! :-) |
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04 Nov 18 - 06:58 AM (#3960011) Subject: RE: BS: man shot by dog From: Donuel It has been reported that the accused dog investigation has uncovered that the dog had googled 'hw to shot a gn' curiouser and curiouser |
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04 Nov 18 - 07:15 AM (#3960012) Subject: RE: BS: man shot by dog From: Jos Maybe the dog was really hoping to shoot a gnu. |
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04 Nov 18 - 06:38 PM (#3960091) Subject: RE: BS: man shot by dog From: keberoxu As I'm not a television watcher much, I missed this coverage but perhaps other Mudcat members have seen this report from ABC Network News. |
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05 Nov 18 - 12:53 PM (#3960237) Subject: RE: BS: man shot by dog From: keberoxu In the last post dated 4 November, ABC News interviewed Kelly Jameson, a spokesperson for the sheriff's department in Doña Ana County where the incident took place. Jameson, in the interview (link in previous post), answers questions about the placement of the firearm on the floorbed in the back of the pickup truck, and states that the incident is being treated as an accidental shooting. |
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05 Nov 18 - 12:54 PM (#3960238) Subject: RE: BS: man shot by dog From: keberoxu |
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05 Nov 18 - 10:06 PM (#3960340) Subject: RE: BS: man shot by dog From: leeneia Donuel, you're so funny! |
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08 Nov 18 - 01:42 AM (#3960656) Subject: RE: BS: man shot by dog From: leeneia I talked to a gun owner about this, and he said it could happen. However, it wouldn't have happened if the safety had been on and the gun had been in a gun rack, the way it should have been. The article says the ammo went through the back of the driver's seat, and it's hard to picture any human doing that. |