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Lord Bateman True or False

21 Nov 18 - 03:22 AM (#3962578)
Subject: Lord Bateman True orFalse
From: The Sandman

True or False the story he was related to Thomas A Beckett

21 Nov 18 - 06:13 AM (#3962601)
Subject: RE: Lord Bateman True orFalse
From: Jim Carroll

This is a note to the ballad (sung as a lullabye) from an album by Sandy and Caroline Paton, which explains the connection
It suggests that the ballad pst-dates Gilbert Beckett's travels, but as nobody knows when these ballads originated - "Nobody knows" as they are always saying on Q.I.
Jim Carroll

"Perhaps it was during the Crusades that sorties and ballads first became popular in Western Europe about heroes captured by Turks or Arabs, freed by loving Oriental maidens, and pursued home by the said maidens who arrive in the nick of time to marry their man. Germans, Scandinavians, French and Italians all have ballads of this theme, and in England the story of the Oriental girl who follows Thomas a Becket's father across the sea, and found him by wandering abound the country crying “Gilbert! Gilbert!” has been preserved in a manuscript from about 1300. Clearly Lord Bateman has been influenced by the legend about St Thomas's father, though the ballad is probably of later date. It remains a firm favourite through the centuries, and gained a new lease of life through its use by music-hall comedians in the mid-19th century. It has shown itself to be very common in all areas of the United States where folk song collecting has been carried out. The present version is considered by some to be local to Kentucky, but in fact more or less identical forms are current in many other areas. It is said that the Patons hit on this way of singing the ballad while Caroline Paton was washing up in the kitchen and listening to her husband, Sandy, singing in another room."


21 Nov 18 - 09:26 AM (#3962633)
Subject: RE: Lord Bateman True orFalse
From: GUEST,Peter Laban

As a sidenote: on Sunday night to my surprise there was a little bit on RTE of Tom Munnelly recording Lord Bateman from Michael Reilly on the side of the road, followed by Christy Moore singing the Raggle Taggle Gypsie. Only caught it because I turned the tellie on just be fore the noine o Clock news. I had seen it before but it was a nice surprise.

It's here: Music from d'tellie The item starts at 16.20

21 Nov 18 - 09:46 AM (#3962636)
Subject: RE: Lord Bateman True or False
From: Jim Carroll

Thanks for that Peter - brought a lump to the throat (missed the programme), though I too hed seen the original programme

21 Nov 18 - 01:14 PM (#3962655)
Subject: RE: Lord Bateman True or False
From: Bat Goddess

I realize I can no longer remember more than a few verses of "Lord Bateman", which I learned from a recording by Frankie Armstrong.

I most often sing in a mixed session setting, so I choose songs with good choruses or good instrumental breaks to keep everyone engaged. Alas, while I love this song, it has no chorus.

Thank you for some of the song's background that I was unaware of.


22 Nov 18 - 07:06 PM (#3962817)
Subject: RE: Lord Bateman True or False
From: GUEST,vic at home

False Sandman as there has never been a Thomas a Becket. His name was Thomas Becket, does no one watch QI?

Sorry for being a pedant and the thread creep.


23 Nov 18 - 03:42 AM (#3962843)
Subject: RE: Lord Bateman True or False
From: The Sandman

please do not drop your aitches when corresponding with me, it isnot the Queens English

23 Nov 18 - 09:54 AM (#3962889)
Subject: RE: Lord Bateman True or False
From: The Sandman

only joking guest vic